Why Matt Fitzpatrick called out Collin Morikawa for Cheating!
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2023
- Is there bad blood between Collin Morikawa and Matt Fitzpatrick?
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If "caddies and players all know this", why is it up to Fitzpatrick or his caddie to confront him? Also, it not against the rules to make notes, it's against the rules to use those notes during a round.
Then he should call the rule on him then in the moment… don’t do it behind his back later.
I'm sorry, why should Fitzy do anything? It must be excruciating to have to tell one of your competitors that they think they've cheated, but the blame has to be with the cheater.
Ok karen
Fitzpatrick doesn't need to think for Morikawa, Morikawa team broke the rules.
you're being biased here
it's a rules violation to see someone break the rules and not report it to a rules official. one thing i think stinks about this is morikawa said they spoke to the rules officials on the practice green and got the go-ahead for what they were doing. it seems like overkill to me as the slope is pretty much a standard % based on the stimp/green speed. so the chart i have in my book is basically 1% slope = 2-3 inches outside the cup on a 10 speed green, which can be applied to any green. of course you have to account for an up/down slope as well, but really it seems like in this case it was a bit over the top. seeing morikawa move his ball off that marker and then move the marker...now that is a clearcut rules violation!!
Only correction I’d make is a 1% slope is 2-3 inches outside the cup depending on the distance of the putt. It’s why guys hold up one finger because a 8ft putt will break a lot less than a 20 footer.
@@Radioghost717 good point. i should have been more specific!!
I actually don’t think it’s a ‘be a man’ and talk to Collin face to face issue. Like you said, these guys KNOW the rule. And Collin and JJ knew they were cheating. They’d keep doing it. I’m not against Fitzy telling an official.
Again , if you don’t apply or tell the player it was a penalty that day before he signs his card , they shouldn’t be able to give the penalty.
But on the other hand he is a tour pro and should know the rules
I tuned in because the broadcast refused to say why he was penalized. Now I know. Thanks.
Was it a rules violation, Yes.
So why create a drama?
Fitz has done nothing wrong.
Colin has only one person he can be annoyed at... Himself.
Stop trying to make this bigger than it is.
"not casting any judgement on the guy". Thats exactly what you are doing.
Fitzpatrick did the right thing, they knew they were cheating so why give them a heads up! Let them stitch themselves up
Fitzpatrick reported the violation. That is all that is required in order to protect the field. When he does it is irrelevant as the violation has occurred and the penalty will be assessed. In other way of revealing the violation is to refuse to sign the violators card at the end of the round.
You keep saying why didn't he just say something to Colin. These guys prob know how much their shot is affected if they fart into the wind during their swing....You think Colin needs a reminder on a rule? Seems unlikely. He was trying to get an edge and got caught. Seems "par for course". Move on.
How did Fitzpatrick know what Morikawa had in his notes? Morikawa at The Masters was bigger problem to me. Morikawa should have called an official and Fitzpatrick over to get a ruling before he replaced his ball so there's no doubt.
I don't know what I know, but when I know, I'll let you know😂
Matt, I caddied for tour pros for 13 years. In a tourney, it would be a fistfight level breach of decorum to address another player’s caddy about a rules issue. The convo should have been immediate, but with the player.
Why not just ban all green diagrams and make them read their own putts or is that to simple a solution. It should be a part of the game to read your own putts especially for the money they are playing for. Same for yardage books, use the yardage books provided by the course instead of caddie measuring every sq inch of course. Certainly would speed the game up the players are always screaming about.
First of all Colin and his caddie shouldn’t break the rules. Hard to believe you would blame Fitz for snitching. I believe he asked an official after the round if it was a rules violation. He probably wasn’t sure of the rule also.
I see an oppertunity for somebody with sevant photographic memory to flash the greens with player's practice round and note it out for them afterward.
Seems like it’s not against the rules to write it down on the practice green but if you use those notes on the course it’s against the rules. So Fitzpatrick doesn’t need to say anything on the practice green cuz it’s not cheating. Then on the course maybe he wasn’t 100% sure that it was cheating cuz there seems to be some confusion so he asked for clarity from an official after the round and that led to “snitching”
It is not Fitz's responsibility to inform Colin. Colin cheated, Fitz reported it. bet Colin never does this again.
How about not cheating in the first instance👍 Fitzpatrick should not have been put in that position. Morikawa/JJ should have been well aware of what they were doing and be potentially caught out🤦♂️
I bet you they are NOT friends 😂
The player is NOT cheating until he walks onto the tee and starts playing using the book. If someone is playing already and teeing up outside the tee or in front - YES I would let them know. Did Morikawa alert his playing partners before he moved the ball back at The Masters or call an official first? That would seem the way to go; not just unilaterally move the ball. Maybe ask if there was any TV footage of the incident. Same as Patrick Reed claiming his ball embedded when TV footage showed it actually bounced into that position. He just went ahead and moved it. Why make Fitzpatrick out to be the bad guy when as a professional you MUST know the rules yourself; you only have yourself to blame. Same as when Hovland called out JT and his mate for trying to cheat with the position of a drop when the ball went into a water hazard. Thank God Hovland had the guts unlike Casey Wittenburg when Tiger "won" the Players after a very questionable drop. And everyone says VJ had a cheating background at one stage? There are a lot of others including LPGA players who have been found wanting in ethics.
Wasn't it a local rule that you could use your notes, but not if you used a "device"? He asked an official if he could use it, and he said yes. That guy was wrong, obviously. I don't think he was trying to cheat.
Collin was more upset with the rules official in his post round presser than he was with whoever reported it. He was upset that the main official made him wait in the change room 5 mins midway through his warm up to tell him about the penalty....plus the fact the other rules officials said it was fine. Should be told "that's not allowed but since an official told U it was ok we won't penalize you" would be the mature thing to do
Your 3rd club from right to left doesn't stand like the other 7. Also some work with last 2 is needed
That one is like 200 years old
For different reasons I’m not a fan of either one of them so it’s nice to see them both catch some heat over it. 😂
I understood that he would be disqualified for more than one infraction.
He didn’t rat him out, he asked a clarifying question after learning of what Colin had in his book. The official asked him a direct question which Fitz answered honestly.
Matt is a slicy guy!
Its not his responsibility to go to him and say something
ban yardage books while on the green. easy fix
In todays world nobody can confront anybody, we all have to go get a supervisor.
Be a man Morikawa. Not here to baby sit Protect the field !
Young people are afraid of confrontation
Garbage to call out Morikawa on this stupid rule. Rules are rules but think we can all agree golf has some dumb rules. As for the masters thing ya he didn’t return coin to its original spot and just put the ball where it was. Saved us from a dumb 5-10 minute wait for rules official and put the ball where morikawa placed it. Make cents out of common sense🤷♂️
Matt Snitchpatrick
So if a player did it to you in a match play situation, you would 🤔
@@andyukh1625I’m willing to bet Colin is not the only one who is confused with how each course rules with course notes and not the only one whos caddy has these notes in play this last weekend
PGA vs PGA = LIV
The ownership is on the offender, not the reporter
@@kjj2550cheap and sleezy to purposely not call it out instantly to the caddy and wait till you can get the player in trouble
Snitch wrong wording here just laughed at matt snitchpatrick on other comment. (tons of guys doing you nailed that)
Morikawa is a cheater.
Golf drama is getting closer to "Real Housewives" every day.
You brought up the masters twice. Trying to create a situation that was just not there. I suggest if you are going to comment on a rules situation you learn the rule. 13.1d. There is no penalty if you accidentally move your ball on the putting green as long as you replace it. Even the way Morikawa replaced it was absolutely 100% correct. Even if it was moved by natural forces he used the correct procedure because the ball had been previously marked. Just get it right. So to say the most recent situation is payback is typical of the crap your channel spreads.
To call someone a “snitch” seems like the old “honor among thieves.” Hopefully, golf hasn’t sunk to the level of our politics, too.
Isn’t it possible that Fitz wasn’t 100% sure if it was a penalty and simply asked the official about it after the round?
Agreed!
My takes:
1 that masters thing is super wierd I don’t remember that. I don’t get what the heck collin is doing there.
2 collin may not be as bright as we may assume. But I not for a second question his integrity.
3 I have no Problem with anything Fitz did. It’s not his responsibility to protect a player who is being negligent with the rules. But the rule is so stupid and confusing it’s understandable he wanted to clear things up because he legitimately wished he could do it also.
4 the fact an official gave morikawa the go ahead cannot be understated. A lot should happen from that, especially morikawa being forgiven for his infraction because an offficial said it’s ok.
5 we need to stop calling players snitches and this and that. Golf does have a legit issue with cheating possibly being in the rise at all levels. As well as players not bothering to know rules that don’t favor them. We cannot attack players protecting the field. Now if they build a reputation of a lot of accusations that lead to nothing, then they deserve criticism. But Fitz did nothing wrong here.
I believe he asked an official after the round if it was a rules violation. He probably wasn’t sure of the rule also.
i think the point you make about how it is easy to do these same notes in "hidden figures" just show they should be able write it directly. Why waste their time? Either let them use the level and write it, or dont let them use it at all, stop with this stupid middle ground
Snitches ends up in ditches
Sure bud.
You keep repeating "I don't know" throughout your monologue ...pretty much sums everything up.
I think you're wrong. Matt is just reporting cheating. Morikawa knew it was not allowed why did he donit? Is it now Matt's fault that Morikawa cheated? Why are you justfying cheating because the doer is an american?
There's nothing worse than a cheat in sport.. their cheating just robs other players of income. 🤬
Strike two for Colin "the cheat" Morikawa 😂😂
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I don't enjoy being mean but people mistake you for an expert and then you say these things which are just absolutely incorrect. Its sad
I love you channels for the most part, but you do come across as very anti European… you have no knowledge of what happened.. he could have spoken to him, he could have ignored it and been asked by an official after the ground or many other variations on a theme.. ultimately if Morikawa used a means of green reading that he knew he couldn’t then the issue is with Morikawa not Fitzpatrick..
"I don't know if he was cheating....you could just memorize everything for the week, you could do that".
"Note-taking system"...more justifications for cheating. Maybe you are a cheat as well?
Sad to hear you desperately trying to justify Morikawa's blatant cheating because he's an American.
Unlike you, Collin is a PRO...they know the rules inside out.
Wow, you really know nothing do you ? Smh, sad
Fitzy was in the wrong. In the Collin's post round interview, he said that other players/caddies did what JJ did and they were told by officials that it's ok. Once snitched, Collin was penalized because now it is a gray area and he was assessed 2 strokes. Agreed he should've talked with Collin
If Morikawa was actually penalized, then he was wrong and Fitzpatrick was right. Its not a 'gray area'.
You are so obviously not a Golf Pro, not even an expert of the game. How you have a show like this I have no idea
If there wasn't bad blood between Colin and Matt, Matt would possibly say something to the caddie. Colin fired the first dhot at the Masters, and it would've been futile for Matt to bring it up to the caddie at the Hero.
It was used throughout the round, only one time, come on!
I love your channel...and everything you do...but wrong here. He cheated, he cheated the whole field (knowingly). No, he just needs to report it. End of.
The PGA is dead. Long LIV the new tour.
Never trust a red coat.
Cheating is sleazy too.
You’re making it sound like Fitz is the one cheating. He’s a player. every player has a different personality. the question you should be asking is : Why did Morikawa CHEAT ? . you just spent the entire time pummeling the guy that didn’t cheat ? ok….
Morikawa should have been disqualifies
You really haven't thought this video through have you?
Come on bro. If they used it on one green they used it on all. Would be a bad caddy if he didnt give all information available. Saying Fitspatrick did a sleezy move. He didn't.
Collin is one of my favorite golfers but your headline is sensationalism and just interested in looking for clicks vs reporting the truth. Read Matt’s quote and get the story straight. That’s why I don’t subscribe to this channel. Unprofessional!
Colin and his caddie had full intentions to cheat. Why would you let them know and get them off the hook? They know the rules and they knew they were gonna break them. He should be punished.
😅cheating is cheating. Forget all the other pish.
i think theres a good chance matt very well mite have said sumthing to jj or colin about it and they mite have said basically mind your business its totally within the rules to do it and thats what made matt ask an official
DUDE, STOP THIS NOW......quit trying to make this into something it wasn't. Fitx asked a QUESTION which ended up causing the issue. Morikawa was/is NOT UPSET with Fitx.
Done with your channel......
For different reasons I’m not a fan of either one of them so it’s nice to see them both catch some heat over it. 😂
First of all Colin and his caddie shouldn’t break the rules. Hard to believe you would blame Fitz for snitching. I believe he asked an official after the round if it was a rules violation. He probably wasn’t sure of the rule also.