Most Delusional Company Ever
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"our property is *under monetized* "
Literally the scariest 5 words any large company can utter
“Our property is under monetized, so let’s destroy the reputation of our largest brand so we can make even less money!” Crazy stuff. Then again wizards of the coast management always seemed unhinged.
Well the company Hasbro wants profit so yeah… that’s the economic system. Blame Hasbro owning stock not WotC
The scarier thing is that they would fix "undermonetization" by turning it "free to play"
It's stupid in this case cause there are alternatives that, with time and popularity, will easily become the new normal. If dnd gets thoroughly ravaged by these idiots, I can see GURPS, Starfinder, and/or cyberpunk becoming the go to. Like if you're dumb enough to make a change like this at least make sure there aren't competitors that also have great products.
@@BigCheddar248 Not sure why you didn't mention Pathfinder, or hell Savage World is big on the rise.
"I think this is the most delusional company move I've seen since Tumblr banned porn."
That's it. That's the quote.
Literally read it as he was saying it.
Reality is really badly written these days.
OnlyFans almost banned porn. Which is almost the entire platform, if that isn't an understatement.
Yeah! F*in A. Tumblr doesn't know how much it impacted my life with that change
Moms in Suits are now a real terrorist group that managed to succeed where Bin Laden failed!
@@brightlight3520 in a good or bad way
What they mean by "under-monetized" is, people are able to participate in TTRPGs without spending any money. You go to a friend's house to play, and you can borrow books to make your character. As long as somebody at that table has the books you need, and you can borrow some dice and maybe a figurine, it's absolutely free for you to participate in this hobby.
Hasbro wants to try to squeeze some money out of EVERYBODY who plays D&D. That's why they bought out D&D Beyond, and they're planning to roll out their own virtual tabletop program. They're planning to charge a monthly fee for those services. And they intend to push every D&D player to subscribe. And once you're on that hook, you start to become vulnerable to the sunken cost fallacy; why would we switch to some other game, when we've all been paying for this monthly D&D subscription for the past few years?
Unfortunately for Hasbro, one of the best features of roleplaying games is the fact that you can participate for free. This has gotten a whole lot of low-income people into RPGs. A good gaming group is an absolute blast, and you don't have to spend a penny for all those hours of entertainment. This is as it should be. RPGs cannot flourish and grow without that option to play for free.
Coworker A: "Hey, what's this D&D thing that I hear you and Coworker C do? It sounds fun! Can I join?"
Coworker B: "Yeah, but first you're gonna have to sign up for D&D Beyond for $18 a month."
Coworker A: "Uh, you know what? Never mind. I'm not THAT interested."
Straight up dude, I legit never would have tried if my friends hadn't mentioned I could make a character using their books and dice. Than I was astounded and impressed at how low the barrier for entry is once I created my character and we started our session immediately. Like why try and fk with such an easy way to expand your consumer base.
@@nahfam8794Hey, a Samurai fan! Let's say how about we go to Hasboro tower and do a little "convincing"?
bingo
The biggest cost to any of my players is when they stop using the cheap dice I loan them and buy their own. All rulebooks, character sheets, ect. are provided by me as the DM for the entire group to use. Once my players have learned the basics the need for any kind of officially licensed anything is nonexistent. WOTC might as well be selling soccer without understanding that it can be played with a makeshift ball and some trash as goal posts. You can sell nice soccer balls, uniforms, cleats, and nets, you can maintain fields, you can build teams and leagues, you can even put all the rules in a nice book and sell that, but the rules themselves are impossible to sell because you can just ask someone who plays and they'll give them to you for free. I could, and have, run a oneshot game of 5e with absolutely nothing but plain paper and pencils. Dice, screens, character sheets, miniatures, tables, they all make play easier but are no more necessary than a jersey with your name on it.
Honestly MTG is similar in that aspect. Had some buddies that played, and on new years eve 2010 when the party died down, my drunk ass was handed a mono red goblin deck and taught how to play in a few hours. First day of 2011 woke up and went to Walmart to buy a themed deck a several boosters. Last 8 years I don't buy boosters/boxes anymore I just buy specific cards off ebay or TCGplayer. Anyone my friends and I come across wanting to learn how to play but don't have cards, we go through our stuff and put together a easy to learn beginner deck for them to use and if they enjoy the game and stick with it let them keep it and throw in better cards so they can adjust/tweak their deck. Anymore you can just buy random bulk lots of cards off ebay or other sources, keep what you want and trade/sell the stuff you dont. WOTC only gets a cut when boosters, sets, etc first drop. Anything sold on ebay or other sources they don't see a dime of.
Another detail that Charlie didn't bring up here... if you submit a product for licensing and it's accepted, Wizards then claims an irrevocable, royalty-free license to use your material in any way they wish, including publishing it themselves or giving it to another company to publish.
They effectively own anything you submit. Couple this with their option to "alter the deal further," and they can approve your book, cancel your license once the books come back from the printer, and then publish your work themselves, without paying you a dime, leaving you on the hook for your massive printing bill, holding thousands of books you're now legally obligated to destroy.
You would have to be insane to agree to this new license.
"This is the new deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."
+1 disgusting
That is absolutely tyrannical, man
You see none of the cash while The Wizard gets himself a brand new wand & a 24 carot gold silk robe.
Have they done this?
Charlie didn’t even mention the worst part, that using the new OGL means that wizards of the coast owns and can edit/resell content that the community made
yes that's biggest issue I see with the new OGL! not that the rest are ok
And not even have to credit the original creators lol they can just straight up steal anything they want
@@loganroof4368 what.
@@jacobwatto9702 It´s one of the millions of bots CZcams refuses to do anything about. These clown accounts and the link posting ones, just ignore or report them for spam.
It absolutely insane. And what about the part in OGL 1.0a that says that if changes are made to the OGL, anyone can use any version of it? That was supposed to truly keep it open in the first place! Now they are just spitting in our faces.
My favourite part of this drama is that the original creator of the ogl made a clause saying the company isn't allowed to retroactively change anything like *they're currently trying to do.*
@@Hokuhikene Just report the bots and move on, they do not read what you write.
If that's true, you can smell the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT from here
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Yeah, this has been covered by some in the know. Basically they can't directly change OGL 1, but as owners of the IP they can actually revoke OGL 1 completely and then enforce OGL 1.1. There's no clause in the original OGL that says it's unrevokable, it only says that it's a perpetual license.
Can someone explain to me how a license can be perpetual, and be revoked?
Hey! There's been an update to this whole scenario! Apparently, Paizo (the company that owns pathfinder and starfinder, and headed by some of the ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO HELPED MAKE THE OGL, including the LAWYER) are making their own open rpg creative lisence, (ORC). And Paizo is basically one-upping WOTC by being willing to go to court over the OGL, and making an even better license that nobody can betray like the OGL!
Paizo superiority!
Legendary LAWYER, guide our documentation!
In Paizo we trust !
das a lot of acronyms
And then maybe after Hasbro bankrupts paizo swoops in and buys the brand for pennies and just changes their name to Dungeons & Dragons. 10 years down the line and no one even remembers these troubles.
You missed the scariest part:
Wizards is allowed to take your custom stuff and use it without permission or royalties to you
That is scary, but the easiest way to avoid that is just put nothing online. :)
I know they are not coming into my house to take stuff they do not know is there. And I really want them to take my Cake of Heroes that I made up at the table for the birthday of a player. I am not sure any of us wrote it down. :)
I still secretly think D&D started out when the guys could no longer remember everything from memory and needed to have.. shock... physical notes. :)
@@michaellianez6689 :)
Wizards is like Netscape. Remember the Netscape public license? They can you your changes in their closed source browser
They're pulling the Activision Blizzard move
Charlie is becoming one of the most prominent reporters when it comes to controversies and scams
*Dont_Read_My_Names* 😏,,
I make entertaining videos as well🙏
@louis06lmao be honest, what do you think?
And slaps
Drama alert
"The scariest part is the idea that they could monetize your own content you produce without your consent or even knowledge"
I totally agree.
Yeah, they could terminate your contract then sell what you made afterward.
Can they actually do it? I think it conflicts with state law. It's theft.
They already were able to in the old OGL but seems people didnt notice til now
@@Marius1g That'd have to be fought in court since they're including it in the contract that they expect folks to agree to.
@@eightcoins4401 Not the same thing. Under the original OGL, creators could designate *specific portions* of their content as "Open Game Content" that *anyone* could use freely under the license. Yes, WotC could use that content too, but 1) Creators got to say exactly what they were allowing everyone to use, and 2) WotC would *also* have to include a copy of the OGL in the back of their own official book (they've never done this) and cite you as the author and your content's copyright as the source that they got it from.
Under the new license, they can just steal it, without crediting you, and with no indication they did not make it. And you have no say over what is and isn't "Open Game Content." They can do this to *everything* you publish under the new license, period.
Reminder that the last time Wizards pissed off their fan base, the fan base went and made one of D&D's biggest competitors.
who?
@@sgfolklore Paizo, the makers of Pathfinder. They're actually making a new license and are willing to take WOTC to court over this.
I was at Wizards and worked on the 3rd Edition release for D&D, back when the OGL was created. As I remember it, the rationalization was thus: one of the things that killed TSR (in addition to many poor business practices) was the amount of money spent on Gaming Modules and alternate Game Worlds that spread their buyer base too thin. They reasoned that rather than throw good money at products that didn't sell, giving away the right to create 3rd party content was a good way to grow their base, so long as those properties encouraged buyers to purchase the core rulebooks-the only thing WotC wanted to sell. It worked amazingly well and grew the brand.
This seems like take-backsies of the worst sort.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
Not the first time, Blizzard got so annoyed that they missed out on DoTA because they didn't want to pay the guy any money, that they wrote up a ToS that says they own everything ever, on top of the Creator being 'updated' and stripped of some features by them.
I can't imagine being there all those years ago and seeing what they are doing now. Thank you for your input.
@@joshuaanderson1712 Whats more embarassing is the Blizzard couldn't rationalize making their own game with their own characters until post Heart of the swarm.
Zero creativity.
@THAT GUY you can definitly monetize art, from Kenshi and Deus Ex to far fringes like Cruelty Squad; the cavat being you can't reach as wide a market without stifing your art.
Large corps want large gains, something true art doesn't garner.
It's crazy that Wizards thinks people won't just play other TTRPGs if this goes through. Not like there isn't an absurd wealth of underplayed games waiting to shine.
Literally. I saw the news and was like "guess I might try pathfinder"
@@DavidExPoint try it, it has better customization and more flexible classes!
@@DavidExPointThe 20th Anniversary Edition games in the World of Darkness line are pretty good, too, especially if you take some of the 90s edge and grim dark out for your own campaign. I highly recommend them, especially Werewolf: the Apocalypse (my personal favorite), Mage: the Ascension (for doing cool magic stuff), and Changeling: the Dreaming (closest to classic fantasy). There’s a second game line called New World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness if you want a more horror-centric experience.
Because of this clusterfuck, yesterday I cancelled my DnDBeyond subscription that I'd been paying for for over 4 years. Also I bought a shit-ton of rpgs, Mothership, a bunch of the Tiny D6 books (Tiny Dungeon, Tiny Living Dead, Tiny Frontiers and Tiny Supers), and all of the Basic Fantasy books they had on amazon. WotC fucked around, and now they are finding out.
@@DavidExPoint This is the way. After playing Pathfinder I never went back to DnD
Can you imagine a kids parents having to go to court because their kid makes some really good content because this company decides their quarterly reports could be better?!
They are asking for more personal info than the IRS at that
When I was a kid there was this game maker application on facebook that anyone could use to make those "energy" based facebook games, and it was really simple to use. Knowing nothing about copyright or gaming licences my brother and I made a Dungeons and Dragons game in it and called it such. It earned about 3000$, which all went to the company that owned the game maker as we couldn't be paid due to living in a country that, at the time, didn't allow paypal transactions.
Hasbro sent us a warning to change the name of the game or they were going to take legal action. We were like 10 at the time, so this was a pretty scary experience. After shitting our pants we changed it and they dropped the case, but your comment reminded me of that situation. I am thankful Hasbro didn't choose to pursue the issue any further, but the possibility that some other clueless kid might do the same and get their parents in trouble scares me indeed.
He can. What will be illegal is trying to profit of of it. If your son uses the DND ruleset to create a world, he's using their intellectual property.
They wont go to court. Thats what WOTC is planning on. When WOTC claims someone's content each person has to decide if it's worth going to court with Hasbro.
What the fuck hahaha
Something that wasn’t touched on was a clause where they own and can use any dnd content you make, even if you don’t minimize it. Like it you make a homebrew campaign or supplemental work and post it online, they can 100% claim and use it themselves. As a DM who has changed and posted a lot of WotC source material, this is the concern that hits me most
OGL only applies if you need the content of the SRD. (The OGL terms have never allowed using the D&D specific information) Don't quote their stuff and don't use their logos and trademarks in a deceptive fashion, you should be unaffected.
If you do need to use such, well, then it gets messy.
@@nateschultz8973 That was the old terms.
@@arena_sniper7869 You don't have to use the license *at all* if you aren't infringing on their copyrights or trademarks.
On what other grounds could they sue? (And not commit a crime, themselves, I mean)
@@nateschultz8973 If they can prove similar concepts they can claim it under the OGL that they cooked up , even things like pathfinder, and other class based ttrpgs can come under fire under the new OGL not mention any channels, tv shows, or even stories on fan sites or sites like reddit will fall into the category of "similar enough" to go after to take the rights of the original authors.
Go check out what happened to SNK and Capcom when the latter got mad about the blatant Ryu/Ken rip offs.
Love Charlie's "Don't want to talk about the DM" moment. Everyone who plays a tabletop RPG has had at least ONE of those DM's/GM's. It's like a rite of passage to get one that takes it too seriously, or just doesn't know which direction they're going with the game.
It wasn't an ingame problem that made him go "don't want to talk about the DM", it was SH/SA stuff that came out about the DM afterwards in relation to multiple other players in other campaigns.
@@Striga889 out of curiosity who was said DM?
@@jtjpro13 Arcadum
@@IDoSingles Thanks! I've literally never heard of em, I'm just glad it isn't a DM I know and like.
@@jtjpro13 Arcadum
The 30-day notice part isn't even the worst part...the worst part is the clause that says they own the rights to ANYTHING created with the OGL and they can take complete ownership ANY TIME they feel like and incorporate it into official D&D content...and then terminate your ability to receive royalties, credit, etc. Basically, they can straight up steal your work if they feel like it and then shut you out of it forever.
So just.... like... make something original
@@Connection-Lost They will push for anything tangibly related to fantasy and with dice mechanics.
@@Connection-Lost It's certainly easier for players to use systems and concepts they are already familiar with. But sure, that IS what everyone will do now the OGL 1a is gone. No one with any sanity will sign away all rights to their work. There's nothing particularly great about d&d's 1st party creative content or rulesets, they are just a convenience.
@@mistandfog5442 Nah, they can't do shit about anything that isn't substantially a full ruleset copy, or contains ideas fully originating in d&d. Copyright law is quite clear, and wizards hold no patents.
@@Connection-Lost What do you think these products are?
They're original works. They're even referred to as original works in the criminal document titled OGL 1.1
As a dnd player I would never expect Charlie to be on this controversy. Thanks Charles for spreading the word!
It's almost as if Hasbro said. " Roll a nat 8 to make DND better or roll any other number to destroy it"
i5
u must be new lol charlie loves this type of news
The nice thing about dnd is that it cannot be retracted. It’s basically a game that survives on itself, with home brew and etc. They can’t kill us, because we don’t need them to exist- the rules will be around forever, too many people already know them. We may lose some convenience in terms of d&d beyond and so on, but they can’t take it away anymore, it’s gotten too big.
Same here
The funny thing is that Wizards was poised to make so much money off of One D&D. New core rule set being well received, they were going to make a ton off a new DMG and Player’s Manual. Content creators always push and promote official content because it’s the only thing that be universally discussed across every table.
Now there’s probably going to be a huge boycott and it’s hard to imagine grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory any harder than this.
Got to get Even More Now, don't you know?
@@joshuaanderson1712 no
The moment they prevent card shops from selling specific products, it's no longer about the fun and the "magic" of this community, it's 100% for profit.
The fact that wizards of the Coast thinks they can retroactively terminate contracts they have with other companies is so hilariously out of line, and I hope they get slammed for it.
licensing can always be changed. There is no term on an open license.
@@ramsaybolton9151 except from my understanding there was terms that stated that any changes couldn't be applied retroactively.
@@ramsaybolton9151 from what I understand the original OGL did have a clause about how the company can't make changes to it, and the guy who wrote the original also stated that it was supposed remain unchanged forever
@@firefly3025 which is the definition, essentially, of "perpetuity"
@@ramsaybolton9151 If you write a license or anything on paper and that is taken as an agreement you can legally be held accountable for violating said agreement. Otherwise license rug pulling would happen constantly. Which is why most agreements or licenses say, "we may change these terms at any time." The only a contract or license cannot make you agree to something is if it violates laws or rights. Which the first OGL did neither.
As a D&D content creator that turns Pop Culture shows into adventures, WotC and Hasbro have absolutely lost their minds. They sacrificed an extremely loyal community in hopes of making a quick buck. Honestly, their reputation is totally ruined.
Yeah they trying to milk the shit out of it
Even if they walk it back, the damage is done. There is no more faith going forward.
This is why greed isn’t even an excuse, any person just seeking wealth would never scam someone because they will quickly if not immediately basically if not literally lose their ability to make money
As a former MTG player I feel that this is just Hasbro vs. fans round 2.
And that's why Pathfinder is superior 😎
I knew this would happen one day. D&D was once the counter culture, and now that it's popular, hasbro was going to want to cash in on that.
First edition (and OD&D) are now very much the counter-culture to this. Play them and to hell with Hasbro.
Hasbro famously dropped Mister in Mr Potato Head to get with the times aka for no reason, so yeah their the worst
"you're playing Dungeons & Dragons?"
"No, we're playing Structures & Lizards"
Charlie is the reason i can eat my dinner in peace
I make entertaining videos as well🙏
@David [DOND WII?! More like Chipmunk PooPoo WII!] sped
Penguins and potatoes.
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts
BRO HAHA IM EATIN RN
As an avid player of magic and DND, and someone who works in a local card/game shop, Wizards has been actively hurting its community and retailers for a while now. Thanks for bringing some attention to this, not a lot of people realize how their poor corporate decision making actively hurts stores like ours.
You're absolutely right about Critical Role bringing in most of their customers in the last few years, every single person who comes in wanting to get campaign materials at our store brings up how they got into it because of CR, it's not an exaggeration in the slightest to say that CR is singlehandedly keeping DND afloat.
Also, “Under Monetized” my ass, DND books, minis, and all other game materials are INSANELY overpriced. DMs/GMs and even a lot of regular players each spend thousands upon thousands of dollars a year on these materials. The only reason they’ve been able to justify their prices IS the open game contract, without that excuse they better start drastically lowering prices. I know for a fact a large majority of their community is gonna stop buying anything new if they don’t.
Dark Souls has a tabletop RPG now, my friends and I all cancelled our plans for our next DND campaign to play that instead, I don't think they realize how easy it is for their community to choose to stop supporting them. They've got a lot more competition than they realize, especially since people don't even need campaign materials or rulebooks to play an RPG in the first place, I for one much prefer homemade campaigns.
Gary Gygax is probably rolling in his grave.
Came here to say exactly your last line.
So f--ked up.
Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. Also major respect for actually making indents in your paragraphs. Never seen that before and I actually appreciate it lmao
@@namagem0 yeah I realized I had quite the text wall and figured I should re-format it 😂
I feel like this decision goes directly against the spirit of the game. I hope they crash and burn for this.
It's so dumb for them to even say under-monetized, the only perspective in which that would be true would be the corporation's. It's so disrespectful parroting that back to the consumers
It’s shocking how few CEOs and companies recognize how valuable customer good will is. If you expect brand loyalty, you’d best be loyal to your customers in kind.
Most CEOs and managers in general don't understand how valuable people are in general. They only see numbers and statistics, so workers' rights and customer satisfaction mean nothing to them because they usually cut into profits. They don't understand that when your workers are happy and your customers are satisfied, you're able to put out high quality work and get a lot of repeat business as well as new customers, which often more than makes up for the cost you had to spend to please them.
@@nathanniesche6380 it's like they didn't realize that if people start to leave in really mass amount they start losing profit also if you own everything to force people to buy your product sooner or later the system will fails due to lack of competition and also because resource is limited both human and resource to make stuff
Hasbro: "We're loosing money, let's do something about it!"
Also Hasbro: - shoots itself in the foot -
Hasbruh!
I think it's less that they're delusional, and more that they think we're idiots, that they have a complete lack of respect for consumers, and in some cases even disgusted by them.
Being delusional and thinking the consumers are all idiots aren't mutually exclusive
@@leelo4372 good point
Thinking something that’s obviously not true is the definition of Delusional
that would be a delusion
That is literally delusion lol
"D&D can be anything you want, its a game about imagination with friends!"
"Oh, and if you imagine anything that we didn't already imagine, pay us royalties. We imagined first, after all."
It's like everything is about money these days
@@soaktinbleech1106 Everything has always been about money, the issue is when shitty companies do shitty things people forget that they control half of the relationship. Far too many people see a shitty company do a shitty thing and then keep being a customer, all the while complaining. If someone complains and still continues to consume, they are the problem.
Don't ask more brain function than breathing, people have become dumber and dumber in the span of 100 years.
I don't think this will hold up when inevitably this goes to court
@@HDMediaUK Sometimes that holds true, and others it doesn't matter because you don't get a choice. I wear eyeglasses, no matter what store, online or IRL, I am buying off the same company.. just through one of it's hundreds of thousands of subsidiaries. All I can do is bitch, because every alternative is just the same company in a different mask.
"The most delusional company move since Tumblr banned porn" lmao that's hilariously perfect
The fact that it's retroactive and that they can change it at any time is the worst part.
Woof the retroactivity sounds pretty illegal. Did anyone ever sue?😊
Getting older is just watching the things you loved as a kid slowly die out and fade away…. Not a DND fan but I feel for those affected.
DnD dies a long time ago.
There are better alternatives.
Criticial role should just change the books they use and it will only hurt WOTC.
Our grandchildren deserve better than this world in which some skanky executive monetizes their every breath and thought while they own nothing.
It's not slowly dying, it's been incredibly popular, its being murdered.
@@mrfreeman2911 Critical role will have their own deal, they wont be publishing under the OGL.
@@mrfreeman2911 yup, people like the CR cast. they’ll follow them to a new system
My first thought was "Why doesn't Hasbro just make their own D&D show" but then the quick answer I gave myself was "Because they're a soulless, emotionless husk that has no passion for anything other than how much money they can squeeze out of you"
Dice Camera Action was their somewhat big dnd streaming show. But that also got hit with one or two of the players having a controversy.
Hasbro likes doing their consumers in the rear
"Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt and destroy."
They're so afraid of losing money that they would rather force money out of their fans like this, completely oblivious to the fact that doing so will cause them to lose money.
Hasbro makes stuff for kids so I don't think the community would accept the D&D kid friendly show :/
Good news is there are so many RPG systems and settings out there... D&D isn't even that great as a system, it's just the most popular one.
And now they sent a private military company after a youtuber to take back some cards
As a long time fan of DND, it's been incredibly frustrating seeing things go south so quickly. I'm really glad the community is giving it so much backlash, and I'm equally glad large creators who break beyond the DND audience are giving it some attention. You're saving people's joy. Thank you, Charlie.
If it goes anything like how all the backlash from Magic players went, all I have to say is Fs in the chat for DND fans. WotC does not give a flying FUCK what their players think lol
So far I've hated everything out of one D&D which is sad because I was really excited for a new edition. Maybe after seeing how poorly the community reacted will change their minds and explore other options to make more money.-
I honestly thought D&D was going into an even better place with one D&D, and then they dropped this news. I’m honestly worried this will be the death of the game.
@@goldennas well if my experience with my local cable company has taught me anything. Remind the executives they are only human. And humans get injured. Maybe by a man using a truck mounted slingshot to throw a 4 gallon ceramic jar full of gasoline with a burning rag in the top over a treeline and into their garden burning down their garage
As a former GW and WotC Supporter, I'm still Warhammer 40k player (grim dark Era, the gritty stuff), d&d player, and a huge huge huge Battletech fan and player, I say ditch the shit heads, and go for friendly companies like catalyst gamelabs. Don't give your money to evil people.
The absolute worst thing is they can take anything made by anyone (eg a kickstarter campaign book)
1. Take the 20% of the kickstarter money
2. They can then print that book for themselves
3. They can then send a cease and desist to the original creators to stop selling
So they can basically steal new (usually better made) addon campaigns while being paid to do so
Ahh, the "Amazon Basics" approach.
Its nice to see companies like WOTC sticking to their original identity, still being as greedy as they were in the early 2000s.
^Exactly. No game or its company has ever been sacred, safe, or caring.
The worst of all is that all current campaigns and past campaigns are basically their now.. wont matter if the campaign is over years ago.. they own it.. you basically cannot say no to that..
@@eightcoins4401 Early 2000s? LOL young buck... try the 80's when that abomination called "2e" came out.
"We haven't monetized breathing yet, and that's a problem."
Been running a dnd campaign for my friends for about 2 years now. This news rattled the community and so many people are going to be affected by this. Our community is brought together by so many third party systems and creations and hopefully this decision gets rolled back
Ever try pathfinder? The makers are equally as outraged, and they make an amazing game.
@@gitbse I’ve played divinity 2 and loved it, that’s about as close as I’ve gotten to pathfinder
This decision needs to be shut down for good. No changes at all
Charlie, as a DND content creator, we can't thank you enough for covering this. Voices like yours do so much to legitimize our cause
Hey, it's you! Nice
Exactly, getting this out here further is great
Jay, your videos covering this were great along with those of so many other dnd content creators. I’m definitely glad to see this gaining traction on platforms like Charlie’s and Phil DeFranco’s that have such a wide audience as well!! It’s weird to see my favorite dnd creators in the wild.
Im not a dnd player, I prefer pathfinder 2e, but I do really enjoy your character concept videos
I was genuinely shocked someone outside the dnd community jumped on this
Never forget that Yugioh 100% owned Magic when they announced their 25th anniversary re-release of their original 6 packs. They said "Its only $3.99 per pack and all the cards are already legal!"
@Dan Bangs If you want to be technical Tyler the Great Warrior is probably an ultra expensive card since there's only one in the world. But also reprinted packs shouldn't be $250 a pack. Thats absurd.
The thing is, wizards cannot do that. They cant make the reprinted alpha, beta,... cards legal, because they are on the reserved list. Reprinting them in legal form would probably demolish the whole secondary market for magic cards, and they would probably drown in lawsuits. However, they could have made the pack like 50$ instead of 1000. Haha, its just so absurd and sad at the same time. I wonder how many people actually paid the 1k.
@@Phan211
literal multimillion price tag Black Lotus:
*hold my mana*
@moskon95 They're proxies, they should be $3.
@@RobotMasterSplash $0.25
If they’re gonna take 25% of your money, then just don’t report your earnings to them? They’re not the goddamned IRS, the fuck are they gonna do about it? No one has to know…
"I'm not the most savvy business man in the world"
Don't worry bro neither are they
The funniest parts about this is that they tried changing the OGL before and created their biggest competitor in Paizo who made Pathfinder. Now Kolbold Express, the largest third party creators for DnD, are making a totally free ttrpg system called Project Black Flag.
And to add on to that, the video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is based on the OGL, which is owned by Disney. I'd love to see Hasbro try to profit off of a Disney product when they'll assassinate you for fanart.
Kaiju fight, kaiju fight KAIJU FIGHT
Time to bankrupt Hasbro.
It even better once you realize a part of the reason why Paizo has been so successful with Pathfinder is because they have a lot of former WOTC employees.
It's even worse for Wizards... there are 5e games for Dr. Who, Lord of the Rings, and many other properties that are currently being published. It's not even a case of a game that's 20 years old being OGL, they're risking the ire of companies that are every bit the equals financially of Hasbro. And given the amateur nature of this license and how badly it was written I doubt very much it was sent to those companies for review. Can you imagine the corporate lawyers for Disney or Warner Bros looking at that train wreck of a document and taking Wizards/Hasbro seriously?
...hmm.
Or... or there are more implications to this. I wonder...
Hasbro seriously underestimates how little the D&D community actually needs them.
It's a game based on imagination so they're not needed at all. It's like owning the rights to I, Spy
I'm always confused when players treat DND rules as laws and get into arguments about some edge case shit like it's Warhammer. In DND the rules don't fucking matter as long as you're having fun and the game designers know this too. The rules are very deliberately formulated to be modular or skippable Because the main point of them is to inspire creativity of players.
You don't need Tashas book to specifically tell you that it is ok to give your orc a different stat bonus or that you don't have to be an elf to learn elven accuracy, you can just do it because it's fun.
Wizards partly made Tasha's because the community came up with these variant rules and they were well liked by a lot of players. They just streamlined all these loose community ideas and put them in one place.
@@Dschonathan They really shouldn't matter in war-hammer either, but those players have done it to themselves, allowing the company to dictate how to paint a piece of metal. To the extent they'll do the policing for the company. MTG is also dependent on the company to some extent...but D&D? You have the oportunity to fight back and win...by walking away.
Yall are the chosen ones, so I really do hope you fare better and choose to do more than beg the company to listen and understand.
😁 We're lower than scum in their eyes. I want you to make them feel pain. Have a nice day!
@@Dschonathan I don't think I agree with that take, you need rules to keep a sense of fairness and impartiality to the player. In 1 player games rules don't matter, but in multiplayer games (both tabletop and online) rules do matter. Rules also helps keep a DM in check also. Played plenty of DnD games with a DM biased against a certain player and/or certain class types and the rules lawyering was the main thing keeping the DM in check.
@@Teo_live I think the point is that the party or the DM agree to rules beforehand and often (I dare say always) they're not 100% vanilla rules. If everyone follows the rules agreed upon before the campaign starts then all concerns of fairness are addressed. But no one uses the whole set or a completely canonical set of rules. Because that would be awfully boring, tedious and it kills creativity. DnD is about creative fun roleplaying and then there's assholes who ruin the fun to have debates about footnotes.
I think the cat tree is a wonderful addition to the Moistverse.
abruptly charging affiliated businesses a 25% tax... scummy move good lord
The worst part is when they say that they basically OWN whatever you create, they can, at any time, sell it by themselves, strip you right over the things you created and more, it's just absurd
Not true
Bullshit.
@@irishconan722it is true. It might not hold up in court, but then how many could afford the lawyers to fight it. Look at Battletech and the Unseen Mechs….
SOunds very similar to how talent shows make the winners sign away the winners' right to their youtube account, so that the winners' youtube account future earning will all go right to the talent shows pockets.
That what Microsoft does with Halo and no has bat an eye
So many companies seem hell bent on killing all their good will in one move lately.
“We’ve GOT to have…
…m o n e y .”
Because they're certain they don't need good will anymore.
Companies'll do anything for money.
But the fact they're doing it so soon, and almost all together in the same time span, seems pretty suspect. It's almost like it's been orchestrated this way, for what, I haven't an idea.
Maybe some new business lord recently did capitalize hugely on cutting a lot of corners and now a lot of companies are trying to copy him and failing spectacularly. GeeDubs being a prime example of the latter, culling their fanbase and fanart then suddenly tanking a lot of profit loss.
If you keep reminding people to fight the good fight warhammer franchise can be potentially saved
Like games workshop and war hammer 40k
Can’t see how this could possibly go historical amounts of wrong...
Gamesworkshop: "Hold my beer."
The short update is:
- They own everything you make.
- You have to pay royalties if you make over 750.000 per year.
- They can end the contract at any time and keep everything you made for themselves as long they warn you 30 days before hand.
Regarding point 2, this could turn out to be really, really scummy. The statement keeps mentioning "Qualifying" Revenue and not Net Profit. If a company makes 750k from sales and spends 800k in operation expenses, business expenses, Cost of Goods sold, taxes, etc then it is up to the discretion of Wizards/Hasbro if you need to spend another 150k - 188k for royalties (cuz wtf is "qualifying").
Ok but how... They can't stroll in and say "all your base are belong to us"
@@hell_pike9150 i mean technically if you agree to the new ogl yes they can same way if you publish on dms guild now they tell you you cant publish this anywhere else we own it
Didn't blizzard also try this with Warcraft reforged too?
@@hell_pike9150 Since it's 750$+ per year it probably only targets popular people, so making a campaign with your friends will be safe. Most people probably will ignore it either way since it's an extremely greedy move
The scariest part is the idea that they could monetize your own content you produce without your consent or even knowledge
It's not entirely their "own" content. One could argue that the foundation of the content is entirely Hasbro/WOTC's intellectual property. If these content creators are raking in millions of dollars I think the creators of the worlds and systems they use to make said content deserve a cut. I don't know about 25% but, it should be significant imo. If the content creators don't like this arrangement they can always spend months and years creating their own worlds, systems, characters, items and whatever else. They can always cut Hasbro/WOTC out of the picture.
@@Kostly They only one REALLY making money are Critical Role the people making books are normally just breaking even. Since their books aren't mainstream since a lot of people really don't touch the homebrew side and just use official content. Most of DID make their own worlds D&D barely can copyright most of the names. This is what happens when they low key treat D&D as abandonware yet when it gets popular they come running back like they did anything. All they did was hold a copyright, the fans carried them
@@Kostly Disagree. They should pay Critical Role for advertising.
@@jayjasespud lmfao Hilarious. Joking aside, Hasbro/WOTC might be able to hit Amazon though. :)
@@jayjasespud actually true without Critical Role dnd wouldn't be even nearly as popular as it is right now
Welp, I guess it's time for creators to migrate to Warner Bros' LOTR universe.
When 4th edition came out, people stopped playing D&D and went over to Pathfinder. As a player and a DM, I've already started seeing the same thing happen between the whole thing with the OGL and One D&D having some questionable rule changes.
Another thing Charlie didn't touch on: Wizards is now claiming that the OGL "was never meant to" allow for video games, or card games, or board games, or web shows, or indeed anything other than TTRPG content, and so none of that is covered under the new OGL; you have to come to your own license agreement directly with Wizards if you want to do any of that. This is actually pretty fascinating, because there _used_ to be a FAQ on their website stating that the OGL was meant to allow for video games and card games and board games and all sorts of things other than TTRPG content, but it's gone mysteriously missing.
You may have heard of, say, Knights of the Old Republic? Yep, OGL video game... They just remade it, too, didn't they. That means fucking _Disney_ has some skin in this game.
Jeez…I think they just made a huge mistake on that front. Disney will be out for blood, because like hell are they gonna pay royalties for this bullshit
Make sure there is a back up in wayback machine
Disney also owns Edge of the Empire TTRPG since that's Star Wars, and uses the D20 system and thus under OGL.
Hmm. Care to fill me in more? My mate has a little TTRPG channel.
Are you telling me Hasbro/WotC is gonna send a lawyer over to Disney and ask them for a cut on Kotor?
This is like if a paper factory wanted royalties from your best-selling books. Dungeons & Dragons seems more like a medium or a formula than a product at this point. If the company itself had continually generated custom content, accessories, etc, over the years, then that would be different. But it's kind of like they invented paper and let us roll with it. Then they want royalties on that paper...
This is exactly it. Well said.
Why doesn’t Hasbro sponsor these custom campaigns and partner with them to strengthen the vanilla mainstream D&D instead of just demanding royalties? This change is so short term profit seeking and bad in the long run.
@@gologotha7922 they have on occasion before. There are books made from successful third-party settings that they have officialized in some manner. Two main ones being the Critical role setting book, Explorers Guide to WIldemonte, book, and the Acquisitions Incorporated books. Both are from popular third party groups (streaming voice actors, and a DnD podcast respectively)
Hasbro fucking hates the fact that D&D basically exists in our heads and is not a physical product they can commodify.
Obviously paper factories make money from bestselling books. Every page is paid for. And the author/creator of the IP do get royalties on every sale.
DnD Community: * Literally reads paragraph on a daily basis and invented the term "Rules Lawyering" *
WoTC: * Creates a shady contract *
???
30 days notice into projects that take years means nothing, basically they can just tear your work away whenever they feel like it.
Big DnD fan here, and I'm SO happy a big CZcamsr like you is speaking up about this. The whole community is rightfully fed up, so this means a lot.
Honestly a bit shocked, I knew you dabbled in DnD, but didn't expect a whole vid from you about the situation.
Thanks Charlie.
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
This comment section is being botted hard but, aye, I’m there with you
And WOTC is not only dropping the ball on my favorite ttrpg they are also ruining my favorite tcg with Magic. Crazy prices, brand deals, too many new products, problems with supporting lgs' etc. etc.
Also wish he talked about the fact that OGL also states they can just take your shit and use it.
@@themakerstoolbox9688 was just abt to say the same. Wotc has been terrible for a while.
I honestly have never seen a company speedrun bankruptcy so badly. Its insane how much they are against their own userbase. I am a big magic player and I had to stop buying new product all together. I can't give them my money when they don't even respect me enough as a customer.
Yeah man I quit magic a couple years ago because of the FIRE game design shoving "need to buy" cards down our throats (if you wanted to remain competitively relevant)
@@PurpleDragonSpike ugh I hate how true this is.
@@Brian-rv2xs I'd quit because of their woke agenda and trying to shove down peoples throats, and their favoritism for those types of people, hideous art, and trash card quality, the foils are like Chinese knockoffs
@@thoticcusprime9309 i'm sorry, woke agenda? what are you even talking about? because there's more black people on cards nowadays?
Check out "The Dark Eye". It started in the 80s in Germany and is still running successfully until today. Tons of books available for absolutely everything, but one rule book with everything you need to start with.
I love how the background is slowly changing for his cat
Honestly, Critical Role has gotten so big in the last few years that they could just make their own TTRPG under their Darrington Press tabletop publishing company to compete with Wizards of the Coast. They could make their own rule-set that is just similar enough to be compatible with D&D (their campaigns started on Pathfinder anyway), and with an OGL of their own they would absolutely crush it.
I'm not sure if you're aware of Kobold Press, but they are another big name 3rd party TTRPG publisher, and this is exactly what they are doing in face of the new OGL!
unfortunately, they couldnt really continue on with their show as it is now, bc these new changes means that the majority of the lore of critical role belongs to wizards of the coast now. theyve published all their lore books under wotc, significant deities and monsters are woven into the story itself, and they also finance the show with many sponsorships from dnd beyond and wotc
critical role is too entangled in it all. either they put up with wotc’s bullshit and risk being shut down at literally any moment, or they abandon all their previous work to build up a solo brand and risk not being strong enough to survive on their own
i have no idea what the right way to handle this is. theyre kinda boned no matter what
@@KTr0ck I really don’t think their fans would mind a fresh new world too much. Especially if they could completely change the setting.
I 100% guarantee you that Mercer was told about this well in advance and has some sort of licencing deal with them. These people are not your friends.
@@KTr0ck They're probably not in danger of being shut down, wotc would much rather continuously milk them for all the money they can get. Wotc is definitely not the company to turn down a profit
As a DnD fan and player, thank you Charlie for bringing this controversy to light 🙏🏻
Agreed, my group is actually discussing switching over to pathfinder, I bought some pdf a few months ago to check it out, so we have the stuff available to start it actually
@@edwardfg pathfinder 1e is amazing. Hope you have fun
@@edwardfg I've just been looking into pathfinder and omg it's so much better imo.
@@edwardfg check out Pathfinder for Savage Worlds, if you get into that you'd also be learning the Savage Worlds system which can actually let you run any other setting really well
Ttrpgs are a different beast from any other game, you can play them by literally flipping a coin and using your imagination. Trying to own any of that is like trying to own blackjack or poker. Anyone can make their own in minutes, and people will forget D&D in minutes if they don't like it anymore.
This is like listening on a computer voice going on and on reading from a text file.
The problem is corporations end up becoming uncaring monsters in themselves. They grow into beasts bigger than any of their parts.
People say we can't expect anything from companies as their only function is to make money - but that 1800's mindset is slowly changing, we absolutely should expect better from companies. If they are here to suck up every resource the planet has we must force them to be benevolent vampires.
Capitalism baby!
And it's because of WHO is running those corporations.....
It is the law. By law any public traded company purpose is to make the most money for the shareholders. To not do so would be a suable ofence.
@@Sonichero151 absolute horse shit. Where the fuck do you people find this bs?
unbridled capitalism is the problem, not the fucking WHO.
The funniest part is, they behave like they have a monopoly on TTRPGs, but the truth is, should these changes come into play, most of the people will simply move to a different system, there are so many of them, and essentially they don't really have to be that different, Wizards don't own the rights to 20-sided dice or statblocks lol
hopefully other TTRPGS can take more parts of the market.
Yeah if they think they’re going to get a slice of Critical Role out of this, they are mistaken. Switching systems is easy, everyone does it, and if your income depends on it, it’s a decision that practically makes itself. WotC are basically begging their competition to headhunt their own best ambassadors. I’d be surprised if CR haven’t already heard from other TTRPG companies about replacing DND!
The damage that would be done if Critical Role came out with their own TTRPG system is huge.
@@ShallowVA also i did hear that critical role before streaming were using pathfinder as their system. which i do like its variety.
This so much, the only thing that the community would lose is legal access to a handful of copyrighted monsters such as Beholders and Mind Flayers.
Ty Charlie for covering one of my closet hobbies. I was actually surprised you hadn’t gone over this subject when it was hot, maybe due to editing and other content you delayed this one but the worse thing is the exec’s straight up stated they are happy with the current state of reprints and releases, not even touching upon the proxy 30th anniversary cards they are promoting to prevent them from getting sued per the “promise” WotC made when the “list” was created. Thank you again for covering this.
an update on the DnD situation: as of a couple months ago, WotC more or less completely backed down on the changes, apologized, and even made parts of 5e creative commons (which is a really big move, as it actually further formalizes the open status of the DnD IP, beyond just a company policy that could clearly just be changed on a whim at any time).
Why did they completely back peddle? Well, obviously, Wizards/Hasbro was only doing this in the first place because they're not in an ideal financial position rn (or at least, that is how they see things), and the *enormous* and rapid consumer backlash to the decision, which included a virtually overnight surge in sales for practically every *other* reasonably popular TTRPG besides DnD, clearly freaked them out, and they thus were made to realize that this terrible decision would ultimately lose them more money in the long run than it would pull in. This should be an important case study for everyone: when a company that is already desperate makes moves like this, it's usually a sign of vulnerability, and thus the consumer base of said company actually holds *a lot* of bargaining power, and thus making a big public show of absolutely not taking that shit actually can (and often will) scare a company into switching gears.
Granted, I'm sure if they're not seeing the profit margins they'd like, Wizards/Hasbro will still continue to find other scummy ways of squeezing whatever extra cash they can out of the fans of their properties, but at least they've been discouraged from doing in so in one of the most egregious and harmful ways they could.
I never thought this day would come. D&D drama reached Charlie. We've made it, lads.
But at what cost?
@Bruh Bruh Sad day to be Hispanic
Dael! Never thought I'd see the day where you're in the comments of one of Charlie's videos lmao
@@steelydan1 I am everywhere. I cannot be contained.
Heart goes out to all the D&D Creators that were finally able to go full time, only for their job security to get swept out from under them.
Not that I agree with Wizards of the coast but yah those people your talking really should have always something like this could happen so if they don't have a fall back that's on them
@@addex1236 why are you simping for evil corporations
@@addex1236 That has got to be the most dent head trashcan with hands take I have seen here in a while. Almost sounds like you are rubbing your hands together ready to count sheckels to milk someone for all they have and ruin them. Legit corp brain shill comment.
They still can. If their American, they can invoke the 1868 peonage act.
@@addex1236 whether they have a fall back has nothing to do with what they said. Clearly you agree with Wizards or you wouldn’t say that.
WotC: YOU NEED THIS LICENSE OR ELSE YOU'RE STEALING
Me, who believes in piracy anyway: ok, try and stop me
Love both D&D and MTG, but the intense greed from the companies is truly dragging both through the mud. Me and my friends stick to our own casual/homebrew rules so this isn't such a personal concern, but what is very concerning is the impact on larger channels who are MTG/D&D focussed, many of which I enjoy.
It's been great to see D&D in particular have such a resurgence over the last few years thanks to the streaming channels such as Critical role and the like. In fact, Arcadum was the reason I got back into D&D over the lockdowns, including the campaign Charlie was part of which I very much enjoyed (at the time, this was before all the drama surrounding Arcadum himself)
All the custom interesting custom worlds these channels come up with play a HUGE part in this, even if someone's not into the traditional D&D world, there's such a wide variety for different people to get into, my friends do a Warhammer 40k one and Lost Pause is even doing a Pokémon themed D&D. This just helps to bring the hobby to a much wider audience and what the companies themselves are doing goes against that.
It's just been nice to see the community grow to a much wider spectrum recently and see so many people who've never played discover a niche within that they really enjoy. I just hope the companies actions don't ruin that and everyone continues to do their thing
This is straight up robbery. Imagine video game companies deciding to force gaming CZcamsrs/streamers and e-sports to pay royalties just for playing their games
I think Nintendo actually used to do that (don’t know about now)
But y’know it’s Nintendo
A couple game devs have mentioned that they believe streamers owe them royalties. They were laughed off the platform, but it only takes one of them to get high enough on the food chain to actually try to implement that.
@@quebee8591 no, couple years ago if you WANT to start making money with nintendo games (streaming, videos, etc) you need a nintendo contract. But i think now is different.
That actually is the license that a lot of video game companies work by, but they don't bother to enforce it usually because individual streamers aren't worth going after. Minecraft has an open license that has made it the defacto fallback streaming game in the past for people scarred by video game companies coming down on them.
They should
The plan here is simple: when Wizards switched from 3e to 4e Paizo used the OGL to build out Pathfinder as a way to support the audiance that wanted to kepp playing 3e. Now Wizards is planning to switch from 5e to OneD&D, so they want to make sure that nothing like this happens again. Ofc it's not going to work, major players of the industry already announced they are going to be making their own rulesets (which will probably be fairly close to 5e), and just going to be making their own content with that.
Btw, as much as people love to blame Hasbro for this, this is 100% a WotC party. They have a new leadership which comes from the videogame industry, so they are treating D&D as a "game as a service" type a thing.
What'll be some of those "major players"? I still want to play with a similar ruleset without supporting WotC at this time.
No-one's gunna pay a subscription to play a shittier, more casualized 5E though.
People have already been jumping ship to better game systems for years now.
This whole thing just stinks of a failing company doing what they can to secure their cocaine and hookers fund for a few more years before it goes under.
Posting a comment so i get notified when this is answered
@@Murto84 Wha....you don't have to pay a subscription to anything, the hell you talking about? Kobold Presses 5E clone going to be completly free for exemple.
D&D was always the least profitable thing Wizards made, because people don't need anything else other then some books. They want more money out of it, and want to make sure nobody else does. It's not complicated.
Oh great, another victim of looooiiIIIIiiIIIIiVE SeRvIcEs...
How many of those are still alive, again?
The fact that Wotc considers it far more lucrative to piss off their customers and reign in their brand vs allow for outside companies to essentially promote their brand for free to potential customers and work on improving and increasing the products that they do sell is what confuses me.
Ever since the old ceo retired they have been maximizing profits and trying to maximize literal gambling with their pack system, filling most sets with 1-2 great cards hoping that the community will spend 100+ dollars on a chance to get that specific card, which if you want to buy that specific card costs over 50 dollars while simultaneously not acknowledging the third party market, which is literally the only reason they are still making money off of magic, while laying off all of their artists to try to maximize profits with AI art, I hate wizards more than 95% of companies, I have stopped playing magic and dnd specifically to stop supporting them and I wish that more people would also do the same 😊
This sounds like a spectacular way to implode your own franchise. The economic and social ecosystem of DnD can't endure something like this. Hasbro is looking at like a conventional franchise when DnD is anything but.
history repeats, when they did this with dnd 4th edition, pathfinder became the biggest tabletop game of that era by a long distance.
I'm done with d&d and I've moved on to other systems already. My groups have been enjoying that process so much more than d&d
Yup, and blizzard did the same shit back 8n 2019
They aren’t delusional. They’re just greedy. Push it to the very limit of what you can get away with and, if the backlash becomes big enough to actually affect your bottom line, then you backtrack and say you were listening to the community.
They are definitely delusional, if not just the most pretentious way.
do u think my videos are better then mrbeast
Even if they do pull that tactic I doubt very many people will fall for it after they've made it very clear that they don't give a damn about their consumers and content creators
@Bruh Bruh ay carumba
The real world has shown that lost trust is _extremely_ difficult to regain.
And they have just taken that trust and _nuked_ it. It's gone, and it's not coming back for a looong time, if ever.
This whole situation is such a slap in the face to loyal DND players (you know, the people making them the most money). I've literally spent *hundreds of dollars* just on books alone. I know there are people who have spent *thousands*. Now I and many others are cancelling D&DBeyond subscriptions, looking for new systems, and genuinely considering never touching anything DND again. This is probably one of, if not the worst decision WOTC and Hasbro have ever made, at least in the last few decades. It's a real shame.
This also includes Final Fantasy and (once again) Square Enix. One of their enemies were literally ripped straight out of D&D (Beholder) in the earliest installments so imagine WotC being absolutely destroyed by Square's legal team.
Sometimes I wish I could see the board meetings at these greedy entertainment companies. Like I wanna have a bird's eye view of every meeting Nintendo has when they find out their customers are actually having fun with their products
in an american company I always imagine some a-hole with flipcharts talking about how their investors are not happy since there was too little growth. Notice, not a loss, but too little growth. because idiots sold shares for money and then have those greedy goblins in their napes that want to see more and more money coming in from work they don't do.
I get that feeling a lot too.
Fun fact: Hasbro had a live call (called a "fireside chat") where you could listen to their shareholder meeting; when Wizards came up, they basically said "nothing is wrong, we'll print EVEN MORE."
It was horrid to listen to.
I imagine it goes something like this "this is Jim, we just hired him on to help us increase our quarterly earnings" says the man that has no idea what Dungeon&Dragons even is. Jim comes in, "We need to make more money. I see we've been offering people a FREE license to use D&D in their original content. We're gonna change that" Guy/Girl who knows something "Well you see, our brand is really only relevant becau-" Jim "I'm gonna stop you right there, Make it happen" other person that knows "I don't think that's a good ide-" Jim already walking out of the room with his phone against his head discussing how best to monetize 5 other businesses that are all equally as bad.
i think the term you’re looking for is “to be a fly on a wall”
Imagine how much better D&D could be if Wizards of the Coast actually cared about their player base instead of ripping into our wallets
Haven't opened spelljammer once it's sad
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
Same goes for magic the gathering players
Imagine how much better everything would be if any company cared about the consumer instead of ripping into our wallets
only in a perfect world...
These bots tryna predict popular comments
I feel the company of wizards of the coast doesn't realize they are biting the hand that feeds them and they don't realize it cause they are blinded by their greed
I love watching Charlie explain current drama
This is the same company that often paid between $5 to $50 to artists for artwork they afterwards owned and would sue artist for using their own artwork afterwards. One major artist hated how Wizards was treating artist so he bought the master artwork from the same artist at the correct market value at the time. He helped many college artists pay their loans and help establish themselves in the art world.
Today he has the best master work from MTG card art collection worth millions. Wizard is not stupid to go after him since he is wealthy and has lawyers who would love to go after their past sweat shop style of using new artist.
too bad ai will just replace them
@@QuickieHistie Too bad AI uses copyrighted material harvested illegally
@@QuickieHistie aw does seeing people paid for their efforts scare you so much techbro?
@@QuickieHistie too bad i am under your floorboards
@@XenaAndKin Depends entirely on the model used tbh.
Charlie and CoffeeZilla are the only reason I know what's happening at all half the time
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts
*Dont_Read_My_Names* 😏,,
Yeah same lol
@@davidlol329huh?
After deleting Twitter this is my only news source lol
There is an update . They are rolling back the changes temporarily so we forget about it.
It just feels like there's never any good news when it comes to corporations making announcements.
If Gary Gygax was rolling any faster in his grave we’d be able to use him as an infinite energy source
let's hope Gary lands on a 20.
Ironic that a guy that referred to DnD as "DM vs Players" and that a TPK was considered a DM "victory" still treated the community better than this
Perhaps the wildest part of this is the fact that Wizards have tried to get rid of the OGL before - 4th edition didn't have one - and do you want to know what happened then: Pathfinder, pathfinder happened - people just used the 3.5e OGL to make the first edition of Pathfinder and killed 4e in the water. It's almost like they forgot people can do that. Also it's worth mentioning that this new not-so-open "Open Game Licence" has a clause in it that says if you make a piece of content they like (say, a sourcebook for rules on pet ownership or smth) then they can just steal everything in it and publish it as their own.
I think they'll just revoke all open licenses. If they still own the ruleset IP, they can claim ownership of all derivative work and treat it as they wish, as self-destructive as that is.
@@SorenCicchini you forgot games rules cant be clame...you can make a game whit the same rules as 5e whit different names (from there copy right monsters) and be a ok.
@@SorenCicchini I don't think they can do that but I guess we'll see the outcome in court if they try. The previous open license had language that said it was perpetual. So all content that was created under the old license should in theory be protected from them just stealing it as derivative work.
Remember this is what hasbro or wizards is writing in a contract. Just because it’s there doesn’t mean it’s the be all end all. If they do steal source material they will be subject to fair use and would have to litigate their right to the work
from what i understand they can also revoke the license if they think there is anything "racist,phobic,bigoted,... insert buzzword here".
You also cant sue them at all for it
The direction WotC were headed became pretty obvious back when they introduced the mythic rarity.
So basically you see none of the cash from a product you created, while The Wizard gets himself a brand new wand & a 24-carat gold silk robe.
Hasbro has been extra shady recently, in ireland they had thier branch taken over by a company called Cartimundi a few years back (same building and company basically) and before christmas people who I know worked there were telling me that recently they were leaving workers, whether they were there for 10 days or 10yrs, with no days of work over 5-6 weeks, only to give them one day and then repeat the 5-6wks to avoid giving them their redundancies as you have to have no work for 13 weeks to claim redundancy in Ireland. Completely scummy leaving people with no money and basically forcing them to leave on their own terms so they didnt have to make payouts so I am not surprised their trying to rake in as much cash as possible.
🇮🇪that’s how we do it here
Yeah I'm Irish and sadly this happens a lot over here 😔
@@ElpheAzure same
Wow never heard of this and I’m Irish from Ireland!
@@ElpheAzureyeah true, they let every Tom, dick and Harry roam around here
I'm a small third party publisher that is hit hard by this. We were meant to be launching our Kickstarter this year but everything has had to be put on hold, potentially adding over a year of additional work to pivot our stuff away from D&D if they keep going ahead like this. There are so many issues with the new OGL that will ultimately bankrupt any creator that happens to do well with their content & grants them free use of all our IP in perpetuity. Thank you for covering this, it has felt like we've been fightnig an uphill battle for the past few months and I'm glad that more people are being made aware of the truly shitty situation us as third party content creators find ourselves in.
Good on you for changing direction, you should let them know.
At least the crap hit the fan early enough that you'll be able to shift away from D&D without killing your project.
I am much better than penguinz0.
He is only reacting to content and saying blah blah blah.
Like for reall he is so BORING ONG FR NO CAP.
Meanwhile i was smuggling fried chickens from Mexico to United States, stuffed with xannax pills.
Like the sheer amount of his AUDACITY to try and be better than me.
But he will NEVER be better.
Because im the best
*does a backflip*
Was wondering what's stopping you from rebranding it to a kingdom fantasy roleplaying game thats not D&D? D&D can't capture the entire genre
See projects like yours are exactly why I loathe this situation, making it hell for creators and I feel that right now this is where the incredible community should stick together and support all of the creators affected by this headache. Hoping your situation shapes out well!
They gotta monetize it right before this Dungeons and Dragons feature film releases
i literally started a 9 people dnd group by introducing them to the hobby and letting them use my books/dice , pretty soon they were buying their own dice and books. if they had to EACH pay fucking 18 dollars ( i live in Brazil so thats ridiculousy expensive for a sub) i guess none of them would ever had played dnd