Michael Walker Debates Tom Harwood On No Fault Evictions
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
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05:42 Michael Walker Debates Tom Harwood
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the problem with tom is he hasnt been in the position where he's actually NEEDED affordable housing so of course he doesn't understand and cant formulate an argument that actually makes sense
Did he work hard at school and got a good job ? Wow, the arrogance of him
@@PanzerfaustchenWhat do you do for a job? If you're earning less than Thomas Hedley Fairfax Harwood you clearly didn't work as hard at school did you.
@@barryboom717 I retired at 55, pip pip old boy
@@Panzerfaustchen he comes from a wealthy background, Tarquin. He has no idea what it's like to be the kind of struggling working class person folks like you have so much disdain for. Anyway, try not to strain yourself bending down to burn money in front of homeless people this weekend, old chap.
@@coreyc1685 I was working class, rough end of Merseyside but I worked hard old boy.
We are living in the exact country people like Tom asked for. Hate where British society is heading but refuse to acknowledge inequality causing the decline.
Education is free in Britain, if you waste it, that’s on you
@@PanzerfaustchenAnd educational standards aren't uniform across the UK - Full fact org (non partisan, unbiased, peer reviewed fact checking site);
"educational quality varies wildly across the United Kingdom, from region to region and even from district to district within cities and towns. This, unfortunately, means that over three quarters of the British youth receive an education that, irrespective of work ethic, will be lower in much quality than that of the remaining quarter, and this is reflected in grades achieved and therefore outcomes heading into HE institutions and work"
There you go. But you know best.
Fair play to Tom for actually engaging in a meaningful conversation about this issue. it is important to engage in those we disagree with
Not in the case of Tom he’s a bad actor & dishonest & he was here pretending that Micheal was taking about making new contract law
@@Fredric_Cedrich don’t get me wrong I agree with you. I suppose I embellished my comment too much 👍
The introduction of council houses was an amazing move at the time, to get people out of slums. So good, in fact, that Thatcher wanted to get rid, as quickly as possible.
libertarians really lack any empathy or selfawareness, I hope he keeps saying this, publicly and proudly, because on the one hand the majority of us can see the ridiculousness of his arguments and also to laugh a bit in these dark times
"There are no solutions, just trade-offs", Thomas Sowell.
You need to start getting used to it
@@alexdavis1541 sorry what? That makes no sense at all
Libertarians tend to point to trade-offs when looking at addressing problems. Ideologues tend to seek solutions. There are no solutions to complex social and economic problems.
You criticise libertarians for a lack of empathy and self awareness. Those things don't build houses. Weighing practical issues in the balance might just do though
@@alexdavis1541 sorry, but solutions can and do include trade offs within them, say I want more money, the US offers higher salaries, I move to the US, problem solved as far as higher salary is concerned, the trade off is that life is much more precarious there compared to the UK, fewer worker rights, less tenant protections, I am not an american citizen, no NHS, and other things I could
@@alexdavis1541 You are correct that there are no solutions that will work. That is because they are tying to fix a symptom not the cause.
The basic problem is Capitalism.
We need to change to a system that values health, happiness, benefit to the community, good stewardship over the ecology... - not ONLY money and profit!
Building more houses would knock a hole in the housing market due to the laws of supply and demand. The banks could not allow that to happen. Also if there were enough affordable houses why would anyone rent?
Thatcher designed the system that way, the 'crisis' is an inevitable consequence of her 'right to buy' policy
Could have been avoided if Thatchers Right To Buy was genuine?
To not replace the housing stock as it was sold, makes this shortage inevitable.
It was about getting rid of council homes, she also thought that people with mortgages would be far less able to strike.
A good start to solving the problem would be to tackle demand from the other side , either a lot more people leave the UK or a lot less come here , ATM it's around 750,000 extra every year that need a home . If you want to tackle main issue of the cost of houses , homes , renting just make homes stop rising in value at Disney rates , it then stops becoming the means to a free income for those that have , including anonymous fund managers
Tom Harwood is nothing more than a kid that's learned his argument purely from reading books. It's like a 22 year old psychology graduate trying to give you reasons for your behaviour of life being aged 50 plus.
Surprisingly excellent respectful debate where different perspectives were made clear leaving the viewer a digestible and satisfying take away. Thanks both of you :)
Calling a GB News hack a journalist is a far stretch of the imagination. 😅
Appalling! Evicted for no reason whatsoever you loose your home.
Utterly Disgraceful!
Tom should live in Switzerland, he would find out of touch he really is.
Landlord's in Switzerland cannot raise the rent unless they actually do considerable work on the property.
Try evicting someone in Switzerland for no reason and see what happens to the landlord.
Unfortunately the Swiss parliament is also dominated by parties trying to push back renters rights
Tom also doesn't understand the context of why those planning acts were introduced in the 1940s
I live on a street where half the houses were built pre July 1948 (my house) and post July 1948. Post 1948 the houses are smaller, less well built, and with a smaller size plot. In this context, the regulations encouraged the developer to be stingier, to provide less.
Thank you for this debate, Michael. Very well conducted and important debate, and as much as I disagree with Tom, I respect the relative good faith with which you both engaged in the debate.
Bless our little privileged Tom for he can not know or apparently empathize with anyone below his social and financial status.
Lazy Scroungers ?
Think that tom is convinced of his own prowess inusing the phrase "rhetorical trick" whilst also performing a rhetorical trick, and failing to have the self awareness to realise that is what he was doing.
The difficulty for Tom is that Conservative ideology is, for the most part, the sum of a wide range of rhetorical tricks, and it can only be maintained as an ideology by ignoring every single one of them.
@@shtarpark7938 I’d never noticed he actually held conservative views. Can you give examples?
@@SworBeyE16 he stood as a Conservative Party candidate in the past. I find that's often a pretty strong indication that someone holds some conservative political opinions.
@@Gordon.Pinkerton You’re making the assumption that the Tory party actually believes in conservatism
Really good debate there at the end - would be good to do more debates like that
Far better off with a council house. Affordable rent, total security, repairs get done.
The easy solution is to just build more council houses! It's simple but it's very deliberate by the Government to not do that because it's in most of their interests to keep rents high because so many of them are landlords.
They're all in it for themselves and their friends. That's the fact of the matter.
Hoping enough housing is built by the private sector is just pie in the sky thinking about an issue that impacts millions of people daily. No stable affordable home - no stable job, health or community
I enjoyed watching someone from a different political persuasion on the channel! An interesting debate, and cordial too, as a Novara supporter I’d be keen to have similar guests like Tom back every so often
One argument and solution is practical. Actually, change the structure of the present legal contract. To give tenants protection now. The other is an unrealistic proposition that you increase the housing stock. Completely ludicrous since targets by the current government have been massively missed.
There is no political will to tackle long term inward immigration or long term housing shortage. It is that difference in supply and demand that gives more power to landlords as tenants have less choice. Giving tenants more protection won't make a difference, rents will just go sky high or there simply won't be properties available.
National Housing Service, councils repurchasing private housing and repurpose all the empty buildings/houses/mansions into affordable properties.
As long as owner is willing to sell and +market value is offered
This bloke know f all about housing.
Politicians lie. Obviously, this dude is an excellent politician !
This must be the right wing ‘populism’ I hear about. A true man of the people.
Did Tom say rhetorical trick? Has he ever heard himself?🙄
You're a brilliant journalist Michael
Credit to Tom here. I am not a fan of his but credit to him for coming onto Novara and debating this subject, which Michael Walker knows *a lot* about (and wins the debate I'd say).
This is exactly the problem. A debate is not the point. So much debating and both side-isms. Good policy that benefits the poor and the powerless is what's correct and just.
@@vmoses1979 But good policy can result from these kinds of evinced, nuanced, and informed discussions. Good policy is rarely made by a single person but a panoply of voices and experiences.
@@TheReubstar No - you seem to want theatre like the opening bit in parliament. The model is clear - European secure tenancy for private renters and proper upkeep of rental units is needed. Any 'debate' that fails to take this into account is pointless and doesn't serve the public good.
@vmoses1979 Parliament at its best can make good legislation, at its best it can be a place where plural voices come together to inform each other. I don't know what you mean by the opening bit of parliament but I don’t think policy making is anything like the state opening of parliament if that is what you mean. In any case, while there aren't always two sides to an argument, Tom is trying to say there could be unintentional consequences of rent control and we should listen even if we don't agree since we need to think about how legislation will serve the purpose intended.
@@TheReubstar Did you watch the video? The opening part in the UK House of Commons where Angela Raynor and her opposite on the Tory bench are putting on a spectacle rather than solving the problem. That is the opening bit. When a solution to your problem has been tried and tested by your neighbour's for decades - going back and forth endlessly is pointless and shows you really don't want to solve the problem.
Renters pay the mortgage but landlords reap benefits on eviction full deposit and a small percentage of rent should be refunded to renters .
It's not just the renter paying the mortgage, it's often other taxpayers in the form of housing benefit to the landlord.
@@allanmckeown8417 Landlords should not accept tenants that rely on benefits .
@@sarahann530 where are people on benfits supposed to live?
Even people in work need housinng benefit due to the high cost of rents.
@supernube6659 That's the tenants problem if landlords should not be using their benefits to pay their mortgages
Hard to imagine how renters in London cope today? I rented in the 1970s in London, was taken to court by Landlord because the leaseholder had moved out a year before.
Judge heard the case & decided as we’d paid all rent due since the leaseholder had moved out, we’d been excepted as legal tenants by the landlord.
He also referred us to a rent tribunal which lead to our rent being reduced too.
Listen to the rich tory boy lecturing us about being a private renter.
Michael won this debate hands down.
70% are landlords!
Thanks for this content. Good to have a debate between left and right, rather than left and left. More of this please
In 1970s we still had many homes in London with no bathroom & outside toilet.
Interesting debate, thanks for publishing it. Whilst I agree that the market has a role to play it must be within a regulatory framework that is fair and reasonable to both parties.
Reasonable debate, even though Michael, you still ate
Should also get rid of hmo's as those properties are suitable for family frental before being greedily split in to seperate bedrooms with a shared kitchen, its like forcing working people to live in a shared house a student would nothing but greed
Great reporting Michael
I’m 65 & can barely remember a time when housing was affordable?
Must be at least 50 years ago?
The political debate in the video was surprisingly enjoyable, even though I didn't directly benefit from it. It was great to see respectful discussion between two people with different views on a common problem. We need more of that globally. Even though I strongly disagree with Tom, I appreciate his perspective-it gives us something to work with together. And big thanks to Novara Media for consistently providing awesome content. Love from Saudi Arabia ❤
GB News “journalist”? Shurely shome mishtake?
I thought the landlord list was supposed to address bad and negligent landlords...oh wait it has not been used or enforced
Just build lots of houses and people can move around if they don't like where they are, like moving house is easy and not stressful or highly disruptive to your life at all. There would have to be a massive amount of house building for that to even work... pure fantasy stuff.
It worked under the new towns act
@@MrMikepettitt Indeed, and I'd vote for a government with that kind of ambition. But it's not on offer, and even if it were he would never vote for it.
These landlords only offer 6-12 month contracts, as a tenant you need stability so something that lasts years, but because of the market you have to agree to 6-12 months, at the end of which you are forcibly told to move on.
With the great council house sell off and the reintroduction of assured tenancy agreements as opposed to secure tenancy agreement what did people think would happen to the rental market?
Council homes need to be built in this country offering the security needed for families.
There seems to be a lot of skirting around the real issue here, rent controls. There we are I've said it. Rent controls. Why's your house so expensive? Because it can fetch a good yield via rent. Rent controls, like the Heath government introduced in the 1970s, would end the scurge of landlordism.
if the renters aint happy but the landlords are, thats all we need to know about the bill
Great debate and nice not to hear the pro Hamas rubbish for once. Definitely with Michael on this one.
People living in unsanitary or overcrowded conditions post war did indeed move into newly build housing. Their children and grandchildren sadly will be the ones competing with incomers (immigrants) for housing in the rented sector today. Too many people, too few properties, perfect recipe for overcrowding and unsanitary conditions. Council and other 'social' landlords often leave repairs undone.
You can thank record immigration Tories for that
I see what you did there Michael, unfairly using the rhetorical trick of employing unassailable facts…
The idea of building a shitload of new housing with the purpose of creating more landlords is absolutely psychotic
He’s unpleasant but he’s by no means the worst of them. Theres another younger one on there, VERY aggressive, VERY, VERY dim….
if my tenant needs any mold fixing (which they probably caused by drying washing and not ventilating in the first place) I would evict them to do the building work. it wouldn't be good for safety for them to be living there doing that work.
Reasonable debate.
You need to look at the role of estate agents as well. They call up the landlords whose properties the manage and recommend no fault eviction to keep the rent (and their commission) up with “the market” that they and the other agents are pumping up.
Been at my current property for 10 years this July and recently signed a 3 year tenancy extension at the end of 2023 then got handed a no fault eviction in January 2024.
Is this normal? 🤔
Tom Harwood makes statements with such confidence that one is tempted to be convinced by them - until you realise that he is performing his own ‘sleight of hand’. For example, ‘The UK has one of the highest proportions of social housing in Europe’. True - but this is shrinking rapidly. In 1979, local authorities and housing associations let 5.5 million homes. This number declined by around a quarter over the next 40 years, reaching 4.1 million in 2022.
At age 27 tom gives the a vibe that has all the answers to life's complexities & ups and downs In reality he has not lived long enough to understand the real life impact of many of the policies on many folks lives He references the1930s as if he lived through those times I hazard a guess he gets his ideology from textbooks and think-tanks but not from the lived experiences of many .In his favour at the very least today he's not giving off the usual toxic & miserable & cringe worthy vibes that is all the rage at awful GB news
@@rrowell4163 Maybe we should call it ‘the certitude of the ignorant.’
Have a 2 tier system - 1. As now. 2. A more regulated tenancy, eg 3 years fixed and this version attracts things like S24 tax relief or some other sweetener. Market then offers the choice Michael seeks.
If we keep building endlessly, we'll have no green areas left
We do need to have a house building programme like the 1930s.
Buying in the mid 90's my house cost 2.3 times my annual income. If I were in the same job today, the same house would cost me 7.8 times my income. Fix that outrageous house price to wage ratio and other things living standards wise will follow.
Personally, I don't think there is a political party that will have the guts to do that. Keeping people thinking they are well off due to an artificially over inflated housing market, even if only on paper has kept people quiet and docile in the face of rampant corruption and political incompetence for the last two decades. It's now starting to come home to roost as younger people can't afford housing so what do we see? We see the government and their client media with their Flat Earth News reporting looking for scapegoats as a distraction such as migrants, travellers and trans people etc...
If they'd have looked after the pennies instead of greedily looking after the pounds, the pounds would likely have looked after themselves. Capitalism and its foolish drive for infinite growth on a finite planet is about to meet its match in mother nature.
There's little doubt the Earth will survive a couple more billion years before it's gobbled up by our expanding sun but, greed and an inability to act for the greater good will ensure humans play a much smaller role in that than they could have done. A future study for a passing alien race on how to waste great potential.
Sadly they are debating how to patch a non-functional system.
The basic problem is Capitalism.
We need to change to a system that values health, happiness, benefit to the community, good stewardship over the ecology... - not ONLY money and profit!
Bet Tom got straight back in his pyjamas after this call.
You can’t even get onto a waiting list in the UK unless you have a serious medical condition.
Tom Harwood secure housing, secure home should be a human right. It is cruel practices evict people from there home without a valid reason.
Why didn’t you bring up vacancy taxes, higher taxes on second and third properties?
What about tax breaks to landlords offering longer term leases or agree to enter into rent control agreements?
Social housing available where I live is non-existent. I have been on the housing register for years, along with many other people.
You’re tied into a phone contract longer than a rented property, it’s mad!!
This discussion is absolutely enthralling! It feels like delving into a realm of boundless intellect and insight
As much as i dislike Tom Harwood's politics, I'll always remember him defending non binary identities on GBNews.
A stopped clock is twice a day, but I do respect him for at least debating Michael in reasonable good faith, even Tom he had his ass handed to him, and is pretty clueless on this matter.
How old is section 21?
1988 when the country was on benefits. Now working people get thrown out so someone can just raise the rent
He’s conflating fixed-term lets with Short Assured tenancies.
Fixed term tenancies are simply 12/24 month contracts which end after a fixed term. Short assured lets (the most common forms of private tenancies) have an initial 12 month agreement, and then roll on a monthly basis either. S21 notices are a mechanism for ending a contract when terms have not been broken or violated by the tenant, ergo no-fault evictions.
Tom Harwood is either deliberately disingenuous or totally out of touch.
Control the excessives of landlords by not controlling them.
Really liked this discussion. I have previously thought Tom was a bit of an idiot but actually he can make a somewhat reasoned argument. I mean Michael does clearly win but Tom does at least engage reasonably. I think land, homes and Georgism are going to become of increasing interest as Gen Z get towards middle age and no longer have access to homeownership.
Harwood is the rock star of Politics
Tom should be evicted for his horrendous interior design.
Honestly the way these politicians act...a bunch of playground verbal tit for tat...what a joke
We don’t have enough social housing!
Does it matter how much we have compared to other countries?
If you want no fault evictions they should be implemented in government housing. Privately owned homes do not belong to the renter.
Blame this government for not creating more public housing, and Thatcher for allowing so many council homes to go into the private market.
Tom can't fathom renters having rights
If the Tories are committed to it , it's never going to happen.
Michael out here destroying little Tom in his spare time
At 8:10 he doesn't see how the agreement is acceptable....well don't agree to it then.
Bro thinks housing is an abstract investment
Tom chasing his own tail there.
1930 fucking fucking 1930 this was pre world war this guys
Tom took no L's in the debate
Algo
To be fair, that guy does look like your usual snivelling, little Tory W⚓
Tom wants us to go back to building tonnes and tonnes of unsafe, abestos-filled, unfit-for-purpose tenements. We saw with Grenfell what happens with insufficiently regulated housing. Just building without any concern for living conditions isn't the right answer.
A right winger that actually engages in a debate instead of being a dick. Something new!
i hate private renting too COMMUNISM COMMUNISM COMMUNISM 😅🤣😂
Ooh Tom has aged badly in these 3 short years 😂😂😂
Tom says we don't have to look that far back to see a period in time where landlords were looking for tennants, and he's right.
What he conveniently omits is the financialisation of residential property ownership, particularly from foreign investors buying property off-plan and new homes never seeing the open market for owner occupiers.
It's a moot point at this stage. It's like harking back to a time when people read actual newspapers on the tube. It really is just obfuscation to not solve the problem at hand.
Not to mention that a generation of young men was lost in the First World War, and therefore to boost prosperity and growth rate there would have been less demand for housing and lower prices, and longer tenancy. What a complete tool this Tom Hardwood is. Supply and demand cannot always be directly controlled, whereas contract law can be, it would have a shorter-term impact, not to mention a rebalance in power and equality. Do you really expect people to have confidence in a government that has failed on housing and has seen an economic and mental health crisis stem from this as consequence, and played into the hands of landlords and developers that have bought land and sat on it...to increase demand
Tom needs to sit himself down somewhere. He is so clueless and ridiculous, everything is comedy to him.
Tom Harwood is pretty thick, isn't he? Btw, why is there a black emoji surrounded by a bigger black circle under this comment line? Are my messages being blocked as the time never goes past 0 after I've sent my comment.
Building loads of houses doesn't work either. In Ireland where we have a housing crisis as bad if not worse than the UK investment funds buy the properties in blocks of hundreds at a time before anyone else can get a chance to even bid. The investment funds then rent them to the prospective buyers turning them into tenants again. Building loads of houses simply increases the numbers of landlords so we're back to square one. How do we give security to tenants.
Tom is so chronically wrong.
90% of the Tories are landlords