3D printing functional car parts with ApolloX
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2020
- Can 3D printing be used for car parts found in an engine bay? The answer is yes with Form Futura ApolloX. This video takes you through my design process for modelling and 3D printing an airbox for a modified car.
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I would love to hear how this holds up. Like a 6 month update and a year update.
Agree, year update!
Came here to say just this.
Yes, a 10 year, 25 year please and maybe a 50 year please... ; )
@@timd9430 now that is silly, will we even be watching CZcams then?
Same! If I can replace damage parts... Imagine the savings on brand new parts 😃😃😃
🤣 1:37 I totally thought that bug was crawling around on my screen and I tried to swat it off
Hehehe same here :)
He has a bug in the software for the display it appears.
I kept blowing on my screen. Didn't realize it was part of the video until I read this comment.
So did I!
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This video is more popular than I expected, thanks for sharing automotive passion with me!
I did test drive but not include in the video. It was only a potter around the streets. The airbox was only warm to touch, no issues there. Even on a track day, that location receives a lot of cool external air so I don't anticipate any problems. The box for the Arduino next to it is ABS and has survived for a year at least.
@Teaching Tech probably one of my favorite videos you’ve done. The reason I bought my first 3D printer was to make a throttle body adaptor. Now I’ve made a ton of stuff for my car. I would be highly interested in more content like this.
You sir are amazing!!!
I don't have much interest in automotive, but I always appreciate a challenging 3D part design, no matter the application. There's always something to learn - for example, I like the clips you used and may copy that design for access panels/lids on projects. 😸 Great job overall!!
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The typical design temp under hood is 125C but with turbos you need to watch for radiant heat transfer -no plastic should have a direct view of the exhaust from turbo to engine. The other potential failure is "heat soak" -turning the car off immediately after heavy load -but fortunately racers are kinder to their cars and know to open the hood and let the car idle briefly.
You did a fine job on this air box but I would recommend that you use metal clips instead of plastic. All thermal plastics creep over time and temp so they are poor stress members. The seal between the filter and the intake is critical to longevity.
This is the most practical thing I’ve seen printed
So where is the second channel for your car modifying/racing?
I would subscribe. Especially if he pits his Sil80 against an 86 at some point. 😎
That would be fun but most of the work is done o that car. If you check the website linked it goes back almost 20 years and covers four s13s. In between I also has a Cefiro and Soarer.
@@TeachingTech
Have you done a dyno test before /after your 3d printed part?
You might have a air flow restriction going through your 3d printed box
2 year update please :) have you made anything else with other filaments for the car? also would like to see you cover more on how you made this with your updated series of Onshape
THIS is what 3D Printing is all about!
I 1000% agree with you that using 3D printing is amazing to quickly, easily, and inexpensively print something 1-off that has a specific purpose. It is almost unthinkable that someone would offer a similar product for a custom installation.
Love your videos and you've gone up a notch in my book for the automotive tie-ins :)
So cool! Well done on this, it looks perfect in place. I hope it performs well, and cannot wait to hear an update down the road!
This was so satisfying to watch, I can't imagine how good it felt when it all came together in the end for you!
Your cad skills are amazing! I love how you share your knowledge of filaments with us!
Absolutely one of my most favorite videos you've done, ever.
As a fellow car enthusiast I am excited to see this video! I have been using your channel to research into 3D printing and I just bought one today. I look forward to crafting bespoke car parts!
Thanks for all you do and I love your channel!
that must have been extremely satisfying. probably the coolest use of the printer ive seen yet!
Haha too cool, I thought about making a "pod box" to *supposedly* make them legal but this makes a tonne more sense. Keen to see how it holds up after a summer track day!
I think I saw a Galant VR4 in the background in one of your videos?
@@TeachingTech Yeah! Not the funnest thing to work on haha.
Many people place the filter inside the factory box and just drill a few holes around the box.
This keeps it looking stock but has the advantages of the better filter. Commonly it also allows direct cold air feed as many factory filters come with a small plastic connector that hooks up to behind the grill.
It's a win win and the "pod" filter inside the factory box is no-longer a "pod" filter but more a washable filter element.
Yeah I was planning on making a box to fit a pod so it clips on the stock intake and takes in more cold air. I made an intake with simple piping and cut a hole for the MAF but it wasn't too happy with it. I opened up the intake box a bit and it runs perfectly so I figured I could get the benefit of the box setup with the less restrictive, more air flow of a pod vs panel filter.
Any updates on the integrity of the parts?
Car part prototyping was a big driver for what got me into 3D printing. Glad to see others with the same interests!
This video probably overloaded the YT algo being applicable to so many of my interests. Bravo! I remember the first part I had printed for automotive application 6+years ago, it was also an intake part that I did cfd on to maximize the flow around bends and optimize the shape. Fun stuff!
I love this!! I own a company that designs, builds, and sells affordable race car kits here in the USA, they start at $12k. We use abs to print factory connectors for our wiring harnesses but this would be far better!! Im definitely going to research this and get some to test!
I'd love to know more about this. Got a link to your company?
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Wow, man,... you usually amaze me with a lot of your different projects and videos,... but this was was excellent in showing practicality in 3D Printed parts. Love it!
I am impressed with your writing and editing. You covered a lot of ground in only thirteen minutes!
Very cool episode. I'm so glad you showed the part about the clip that failed to print. Solving the cooling problem by just printing more at the same time is a simple kind of genius.
As a car guy, this is exactly the kind of thing I would love to do with 3D printing. Hopefully the filament will be petrol and oil resistant, as some fumes may come out through the intake.
ABS is not petroleum resistant
ASA is oil and chemical resistant. It's better than ABS in almost every way.
I got a sample of ApolloX in a Maker Box. I used it to make an "eiii cooler" for my wanhao i3. It printed great, but it stuck too well and took a chunk of my Ultrabase with it! I've since changed to a magnetic PEI sheet.
Exactly why I started with 3D printing! Excellent job, you sir, are a genius. Thanks for saving me a lot of searching time for the right filament, I’m definitely going to get me a spool of this filament. 👍
Great to see practical prints. Always nice to see the process to get to the result. Great job!
Just got a 3D printer and this is 65% of the reason I picked one up. Owning a car with not a lot of aftermarket support and wanting to mod it under the hood is tough. But since I have both a machining background and design I want to do an airbox for my car too. Thanks for the vid!
Hi, what kind of car do you own? How is your project car going? Did you use printed parts, and how do they stand?
I love apolloX, just discovered it shortly after I started printing with generic ASA, which I found would warp and crack horribly on big parts even in an enclosed and heated build tent. ApolloX solved all those issues. It doesn't acetone smooth quite as well as the generic ASA, but it's great. I'm using it for external aero parts for my FK8 type R as intake ducts in the front bumper. The only problem is that others seem to agree and it's frequently sold out at my supplier
They don’t sell it anymore. What kind of material was it?
@@markman63 it was a print optimized ASA. I switched to a good petg for exterior stuff since it doesn't need crazy heat resistance. But that's a shame that stopped offering it.
This is actually really amazing, your skills with CAD is quite crazy mate.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! I work in the racing industry and have been searching for a filament that is heat resistant like ABS but was more consistent on it's printing. I will buy a roll within the next 2 weeks and try her out! Always love your reviews and applications like this!
"old and nasty" ...... and still has not caught on fire! But i do commend you for always being responsible and a great role model good sir ! Thanks you !
ah yes, the third member of Mighty Car Mods, we have Marty, Moog and Michael.
The three aussies
Haha I was only thinking just that exact same thing lol. Someone needs to bring a rotary to the MCM team.....just to be the problem child?
Oh alright then I'll do it!
Best they move their arses to QLD then for me to join in 😁
You have amazing modeling skills to design that box, and the prints show just how well tuned your printer is, nicely done!
Those snap latches are such an amazing design! I thoroughly enjoyed your video and learned some useful knowledge thank you!
Wow. This was a great project. Love those clips! Really seems like car regs in Australia are ridiculous.
Many Australians are descended from convicts but probably more are descended from the guards.
"street legal 3D Printed air box"
Me: *laughs in german*
"temperature resistant high strength and easy to print"
Me: laughs in american.
Pew pew!
Me: Laughs in Spanish
Hahahaha....Sachen gibt's 😂😂😂
Finally! I've really been wanting to do two things to my project cars and you managed to help with both questions... I wanted a really simple Arduino based gauge display and to 3D print a bracket to mount an E85 piggyback in the engine bay. Cool to see you also enjoy working on your cars. Many thanks, cheers!
fantastic work mate.
I love to see functional parts like this.
I'm a mech eng myself and functional parts like this are exactly why I bought my 3d printer.
Keep up the good work!
I actually used ASA filament to make an adaptor for an su carburetor for my series 1 land rover. It copes very well with petrol too.
hearing this makes me want to print velocity stacks for my carbs now.
I printed a bushing for the wiper part inside my car. I had to reprint it once after about a year of us, but it saved me about 500 bucks because Lexus doesn't sell just that plastic part >_>.
One weird trick that can work to replace plastic bushings is molding them in place from rawhide. (as in a dog chew) My ford diesel truck used to eat clutch pedal bushings until I replaced the clutch and pressure plate with a lower force aftermarket part.
Top marks!! I love watching you sort out problems and present your solutions.
What fond memories! There was a time (1960's) when we played with cars. Well done, sir. Thanks for bringing back a great time in my life!
I’ve printed dozens of parts for my current car project. No clue how I could have made most of these parts without the printer. So far I’ve used PETG where I needed resilience and a bit more temperature tolerance, PLA where it didn’t matter so much, but as the car isn’t quite finished yet and hasn’t been used on the road, this is timely as I may need to re-print some parts in future if they don’t stand the teat of time and use. Did my very first ABS test the other day and it went remarkably well considering I don’t have a printer enclosure, but this filament looks like a good option to try. As always, thanks Michael!
Another option you have is to print them slightly undersized and cover them with carbon fiber. Super light custom parts that are temp and chemical resistant.
Why am I just hearing about this Sil-eighty!? nice work on it, we need to get you popular enough to meet up with MCM.
This channel just gets cooler and cooler. More of this please
just wanted to say watching this was amazing your great at what you do and cant wait to watch more im so amazed on how good it came out and the detail you put into this
Hey Michael, great video, I love printing functional prints. That is extremely awesome, I need to find out how to get that filament in South Africa. Really cool projects, all of them.
Check out any ASA filament you can get locally.
I literally printed a boot for my son's Miata intake this morning wondering if there is a decently stable tpu filament I could use testing SainSmart glow TPU currently
100% EXACTLY the information I was looking for!
I'm SUPER new to 3d printing and was primarily looking at using my 3d printer for my business. I primarily do car audio and will be using the printer to create in-car parts.
This video was a huge help in finding the correct product for the projects that I will be doing.
Now to find some ApolloX locally.
Please continue the great videos, I've got a lot of watching to do.
This is 100% amazing - great job! So satisfying to make things for your specific applications!
3d printing custom parts . This is what im talking about . Should do an update a few months from now . How it performed and if it melted
Runnin in the 90s! Was my first thought when I saw your sil80. I am jealous man. Such a dope car also I love initial d so that car has a special place in my heart. I am one of those people who if I had that car I would paint it the same purple/blue as the show and find the same gold rims. I am constantly on the lookout for these cars to turn into a replica (is it a replica if its from an anime?).
Well done! Excellent project and execution, simply amazed that the latest Filaments are able to handle engine bay heat and not deform.
Sweet ride ! And even sweeter CAI/Filter box design ! A lot of us struggle with the cheap pod filters since they seem to really choke up when they get wet from rain/puddle splash, so great job solving the problem elegantly 👌🏼
"You wouldn't download a car" my ass.
Very interesting. Anytime I read "functional 3D" I pay attention. For some motorcycle bits I ordered the somewhat similar Form Futura TitanX. It's a modified ABS composition. I thought that if I'm venturing into ABS, get a good filament with better toughness and resistance to warping on the bed. Alas, TitanX has something in that modified composition that makes it totally resistant to Acetone and also to Methyl Ethyl Ketone. Either of those will liquify my original motorcycle ABS parts and I was planning to solvent weld old and new together. Does ApolloX break down in those solvents, enough to solvent weld?
Other than that my first foray into ABS has been positive. I don't know what I was concerned with reading how difficult it is and how bad it stinks up the place. Neither with this TitanX.
Settings on my Ender 2: 265°C and 100°C bed; 0.4mm nozzle, 50mm/s, an enclosure and no fans other than factory hot end fan.
I followed advice to increase flow to 106% in Cura. That seemed to have solved a few issues I was having with layer adhesion.
BTW, it barely has an odor. It lifts off easily from glass/glue stick once given a chance to cool down to "warm." This stuff drills and cuts much nicer than PLA.
ApolloX does react with acetone. I first tried to vapor smooth it but didn't have much patience, so I dipped it into acetone directly and that most def led to a sealed surface.
The fact you have the knowledge to manipulate the CAD program is so badass.... kudos sir
Wonderful! I am a mechanic and amateur fabricator, and this is an Excellent example of what I hope to be able to do for some of my builds (and repairs!). Thanks So Much for all the detail, and I hope you will share some more automotive projects you've done with us in the future!
Damn no sound clip of the car being "too loud"?
I have an electronic exhaust butterfly. Sounds like factory on the street, makes power at the track.
@@TeachingTech A good setup as how most cars should be, especially if they work early I know most people wouldn't want to hear the noise (some do)
@@TeachingTech I'm trying to get a Arduino nano project working on a car with a pololu motor controller for the same thing.... Any tips?
In Australia does such a thing as 'cold air' even exist? :))) Nice job!!
I've watched a couple of your videos. This is the one that got me to subscribe. Great work, Michael!
Great project Michael. This is what I love about 3D printing too, fixing unique problems. Your car reminds me of a 200sx I had many moons ago - I loved that car but it was expensive!
I feel as long as the part you printed does not touch the block or exhaust housing of the turbo, ABS would have been fine. I designed and printed a "velocity stack" for my car and ABS held up really well in the engine bay.
Part of the idea of this filament is that it is easier to print than ABS.
I'm almost positive the factory air box is ABS.
I think the idea behind this filament is that it is as heatresistant as ABS. But it prints nearly as good as PLA (or at least far better than ABS), so you can make bigger parts with less risk of failure
@@SchwachsinnProduzentYeah this would have been super difficult in ABS, especially with those overhangs and mating surface tolerances.
Very cool project. You could potentially have a thermal spacer between the engine and such parts.
Talking about rules and restrictions outside of GERMANY makes me laugh soooo hard... it hurts^^
good luck trying somethings else here in Spain... anyway the s is silent XD
I would love to use 3D printed parts in my car, but the TÜV will never allow it 😢
In the US, it all comes down to where you live. There are places, like Florida, that have 0 requirements basically. If it drives, they'll register it. Then, there are other places that you need to pass a yearly checklist in order to keep it legal
@@nathan1sixteen I live in one of those unregulated states, my first vehicle had so much rust it looked more like a piece of swiss cheese than a vehicle. It would have never passed a state inspection.
I've seen the MCM episode in Germany. Based on that you guys definitely have it harder than down under.
Just recently got into 3D printing and have watched a couple of your videos. Was very happily surprised to see you've got an S13 and you're a car guy as well!
Getting ready to start on restoring my old Saab Sonett, and I've been expecting to print plenty of small parts. Thanks for pointing me at the ApolloX filament!
How to get me to sub...
Step 1: Own a nissan
Step 2: Post useful tech vids
Step 3: Show nissans in videos 😍
Keep up the great content mate!
I thought there was an insect on my screen when you showed off your car LCD screen
Lol i was so focus in the gauges that i thought tha bug was a mouse pointer kkkk
Only on end of 2021 from Brazil.
Very good to know materials and applications are getting better for several uses.
Congrats, your videos are amazing.
Wow! Amazing piece of work!
Street Bandito just posted a vid with 3D printed taillights
I’ve had a lot of luck with carbon fiber PC for car parts in the engine bay.
I think it's clear that ApolloX is easier to print and that's the unique point of this filament. PC is terribly hard on your nozzle and much harder to print.
Marinus I’ve ordered a roll of ApolloX to try it out. CF PC is a little more rigid and forgiving (like most CF infused filaments) than regular PC. Nozzle X on my volcano hotend was a good investment and holds up to anything. I’m excited to see how it compares. Looks good in the video.
@@jonnysuper Well I'm curious about your experience! My friend who prints a lot of CF blends got a Ruby nozzle and that's holding up for sure. A few rolls down the nozzle now :)
@@jonnysuper There are also simple PLAs outside, that can widthstand sucht temperatures. No NASA Filaments needed :P
I printed an adapter in pla for my pool pump to let me connect a vacuum hose. Accidentally left it in the sun on the lawn after cleaning the pool and the part was badly warped. Next time I'll try printing it in petg (and be more careful about leaving it on the lawn).
Thank you for documenting your workflow and design process! Cheers mate
This is exactly what I want a 3D printer for. Thank you for demonstrating this filament!
Nice clever design, however I have my doubts about the filament - I'm keen to hear an update on how it goes after continuous driving long enough to allow for heat soak. I'd probably warn others against trying this at all without taking steps to prevent debris or the filter itself from getting sucked into the intake in the event of it going sideways - I notice your MAF has a mesh screen, but not all cars have this.
I'd probably never put something like this on my 4x4 either, where an insufficient airtight seal or failure due to vibration could very easily result in dust or water ingestion and the destruction of the engine. Ask me how I know what happens when the airbox isn't sealed properly 😂 Just not worth it when it's not much more difficult to make an airbox from something like aluminium or steel. My experience with ABS has been that while on paper, manufacturers specify that it should handle certain temperatures, but the material still experiences softening inside that range. I wonder if the Apollo is truly as good as they say - I hope you'll post an update to let us know either way!
Everyday I learn Australia never stopped being a prison state
Always amazes me how much effort and good content you provide on your channel :)
Wow! What a great project. Also, thanks for the link...
Just read your custom dashboard blog. Brilliant job sorting everything out.
This is the best video you’ve made my man. I watched a lot of your stuff to help me get started. But this is really cool to watch.
That’s awesome work, very professional finish and a perfect (and inspiring) example of what 3D printing can really do, thanks.
As a car guy this is very encouraging I have a old car with an engine conversion and a custom heater to replace the bulky heater box in the engine bay I might have to try some of this filament when I do the the ducting.
"The beauty of 3D printing is when you need to solve a problem that no off the shelf part exists."
This should be the slogan for 3D printing. I share the exact same sentiment. I love this video. It's so well done and its to do with my favourite topic, practical printing.
YES! My two favourite hobbies, in one video! :D That airbox is brilliant!
Mate l have just started watching your CZcams site this one in particular has definitely opened my eyes to what can be done with 3D printers I will have to get one soon but I still have a lot to learn you have done amazing job on this one that's for sure thanks Barry 👍
Just awesome, from the car to the filament! Good job!
Cool to hear about your other hobby of cars! Awesome! I especially like hearing about your use of an Arduino and sensors in your car. I am looking forward to checking that out for sure!
Just wanted to share a 3d print success story: Last week my neighbor was working on his 1976 Mercury outboard motor. The carburetor float had a leak (sunk and wouldn't close the valve) and he couldn't get a replacement. It was just a simple cylinder with a hole through the middle, slight dome top shape. Modeled and printed it in 30 minutes out of TPU (seems to be gasoline proof) -- engine now runs nice and lean again with no problems.
I have learned a lot from you and watched most of you videos over the past 2 years but dang. that is a sweet car. the incorporation with the arduino is impressive
Been passively looking into 3D printing, mostly to develop a housing for an arduino-based gauge cluster for my motorcycle. So I'm super interested in the arduino display you've got going on. Glad I stumbled across this video!
That's really dope dude. You did a really good job on this!
Wow, this is amazing man! Ive got a 87 mk3 supra and this video has really opened my eyes to what I should do with the car... the possibilities are endless now!
i drove a silvia back in the day... it was my favorite car ever. you're very very lucky to have it.
Love the sileighty, such a cool car. I've gotta print my own bits for my eg6 soon, just waiting on my volcano to get here.
being a 180 owner myself i decided to sub just for that project
and your old project of data monitoring, i dreamed of it , you made it
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This is awesome! As a guy embarking on his own project car with hard to find parts ('86 Fiero), this is extremely helpful!
Great job! Love the clip design too. Going to give this filament a try.
Thanks Michael - Nice find! Always on the lookout for filament with higher tolerance for heat but print qualities like PLA.
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for for an airbox and intake for a custom motorcycle project. Understand correct material and how to approach now.
Great video. It's a very welcome change to see one of the better channels covering 3d printing actually designing and making a functional part for a real world application (especially automotive), rather then just more trinkets. The results are pretty impressive given that you used no support. I'm going to read up about that filament - I may buy some to try depending on how my experimenting with Polymide CoPA for some automotive components goes.
I dont know how to introduce your videos to people who need tech tips for 3d painting anymore. I used to say "I watch this one nerd who is way smart " now I'll say"there is this level 11 jedi/printing guru/ wheel man "
Awesome application of 3d print.
Great video
i've seen your arduino write up before. I'm glad I've stumbled upon your youtube! sick content - not to mention the sileighty!
Awesome insight on your other hobby! Would love to see more 3D printing, electronics, etc in that area.