Why Is The Spanish GP Such A BAD Track For Racing?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- On paper it doesn't look like a bad track, but the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya hasn't produced many great races... we dive into the reasons why.
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Knowing F1, it will start to rain... When Hamilton, Bottas and Max make their way to the podium after the race...
So it I’ll probably only affect Mazepin then 😂
@@thomasandrews8174 lol sad boi
Just like last year
I live in Barcelona and the weather is pretty bad at the moment. Let's hope for rain.
The FIA rain machine division has and sense of time I guess
Up next: Why is the French GP even worse than the Spanish GP
Later on: Why does the Russian GP even exist in F1
@@hlanguhome7905 and then, who tf thought of abu dhabi
Having driven it in Sims, Paul Ricard is actually a really good layout, if they just converted all the runoffs into gravel or grass (like imola), it would improve the racing quality by 10 fold
After that: why are we still stuck with Monaco?
Last and Least: Monaco ... there no Space for 2 Cars!
Seeing Matt's record...he didn't jinx less overtake but probably any chance of rain we had 😂😭😂😭
100% True
Again it will bee boaring race mercedes 1-2 🙄
Facts
It is currently under 16% so yes
Can confirm, we're now at 6% chance of rain. Matt can't you just once say "it's gonna be an awful race and that nothing can save it", so that we at least have a chance to hope for a reverse jinx?
Two words: preseason testing
I do hope the removal of pre season testing can change things
The boring-ness of the race in Portimão (which is just catalunya with hills) suggest it's a track problem
@@robertharrington703 I think that was more due to Pirelli messing up the tire choice rather than the actual track, the tires were too hard and didn't have much grip
Also, the last chicane
It will still be boring
Let's turn this place into a weapons testing ground for the Spanish Air Force.
F1 race under artillery fire?
@@michaelsteinle just wait until Saudi Arabia be patient
No that’s Jeddah
@@michaelsteinle but the artillery only target the mercedes team.
@@yeetumuscoppos6034 formula E : *ptsd kicks in*
"Any changes you would make?"
Yes, remove the thing from the calendar.
Just remove the last chicanes and it will be good
@@thatayrellguy3023 so you'll create another high speed corner, where you lose a shit ton of downforce because of dirty air, and it's literally the same thing. You just cannot make this circuit good unfortunately, it has to go
@@bentseh before the chicane,it already a good medium speed corner so if you know when to charge,you probably can still have 1 last shot before the chequered flag
@@bentseh yes..and not too soon....
@@bentseh Exactly, it would still be a bs circuit imo
"What if.. just hear me out. What if we made the hole track straight?"
- Said the chief designer of the Miami circuit
"Brilliant! No-one's though of doing THAT before!"
*Avus*
(Can you read the sarcasm?)
A straight race from point A to point B with a distance of 300 km
Its like Abu Dhabi just more shit
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I like it. How about a long straight one way and then another long straight to take the driver back to the original long straight? There could even be some sweeping corners in-between. Now that's a revolutionary concept that no one has ever thought about.
God when I see this track and Yas Marina, I always yell: REMOVE THE FRIKIN CHICANE
Yeah that terrible last chicane kills any opportunity to overtake there
DO IT! JUST DO IT! YES YOU CAN!
(Remove the chicane!)
I mean i feel like the chicane in yas marina (splitting the 2 straights) creates a lot of overtaking opperunity’s....
@@ERT_Timo I think he's referring to the chicanes at turn 5-6 and 12-13.
@@ERT_Timo The chicane in yas marina everybody talks about is not the one between the two long straights. The problematic chicane is before the first long straight, turns 5 and 6. It just kills the racing but is not currently possible to remove due to safety reasons.
Murphy’s law says the only jinx from this video will be on the weather, thanks, now it definitely won’t rain :D
Exactly,Imola was going to be amazing anyways so it rained,and it was even better
Spain however is a classic track for the worst period of F1 and you know what else is the worst for f1? Last few years having 1 rain race in 20-21 race calendars
I think this season(jinxing it) will have at least 3 rain races ,and thats a lot in hybrid era honestly
czcams.com/video/YNsE7xYsYRI/video.html
I really did not rain lol
The solution would be to bring the softest tires in order to create a mess with at least 2 pit stops and Tyre explosions like in Silverstone
czcams.com/video/YNsE7xYsYRI/video.html
Tyre explosions are unsafe. Actually that might be worse because teams would conserve the whole race to be able to pull off a 2-stop and not be forced into a 3-stop.
So I guess we'll be watching a train for 2 hours and not a race xD
Yes....if it doesn't rain,or if mid way the race doesn't get something in the drivers head like Brazil 2019 when it was carnage in the end
There was a red flag in fp1 and a yellow in fp2
Perhaps there’s going to be some drama on the track and an interesting race. Max Verstappen and a few other drivers damaged their cars on the bumps outside of the corners. I think we will have something to watch (i hope so at least)
No chance, no chance
Like a train, like a train
-Sebastian Vettel, 2017
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Weird thing is its actually a fun track in Sim Racing, especially in GT3 cars
i couldn't agree more with you ,i had a great race with somebody in Gt3 before.
GT3 around this track is amazing,and even F3 F4 i enjoy on the sim, 4/5-3/5 track ,but when it comes to F1 its horrible,just too narrow and boring to watch,Imola and Portimao are fun to watch at least so even if there is a boring race im satisfied
I actually use ir as a practice track when I got F1 2020 having never played the game in ages.
not got a sim,, i think the turkey track with a 320 bmw touring car is one of the best on toca driver 2, maybe you can try it on your sim :)
Yeah it's a really fun track to drive on the F1 games too. Same with Paul Ricard. But fun to drive does not equal fun to race it seems.
That “hairpinny” definition🤣🤣🤣
The race on the spanish racetrack is legit THE definition
of "sleeper race"
above monaco?
France Bro Paul Ricard
@@michaeldavid1566 monaco requires a hell of a lot of skill tho
I actually love the change at turn 10. That corner was one of the most awkward corners for an F1 car to take. And the new corner is going to be much more satisfying to drive on in real life and the video games
I love how they made every corner on the track sweeping and pretty fast except not turn 14+15. If that would be more like a smooth "s" it would probably work fine...
You like how literally every corner is dirty air central? Moto GP fan, be gone.
@@hdr_diamondz Races at Barcelona are always Spain without the s... I guess building a whole new circuit would be the only real option for actually good racing (for F1).
@@einbaerchen2995 Well they had a great F1 tracks * cough * aragon in mind. It's just it was too remote
Can't wait to see you guys in a couple days once we've all watched the race
Honestly I think tracks like Catalunya are less so bad tracks, and more so tracks that highlight the flaws of the aerodynamic regulations, It's why I'm excited for the new regulations. Is Spain a perfect track, no, certainly not, but if you've paid attention to Indycar and NASCAR over the years they've actually suffered the same issues as F1. The Indycar's high aero packages back prior to 2018 were bordering on F1 levels of sophistication, and really what held them back was the weight and power. NASCARs utilized a A-symmetrical design giving a yaw effect aiding in cornering around ovals. Both of these saw massive issues with turbulence as they were taken further and further, and on specific tracks, the issues were highlighted essentially like the Catalunya GP. Particularly with Indycar after the regulation change in 2018 you saw massive improvements in the racing pretty much across the board, so I imagine it will be similar in F1. I do find it kind of funny though how after Indycar decided to move towards ground effect and get rid of complex top aero, and having it seriously benefit the racing, both F1 and NASCAR have new regulations built around their approach towards the aerodynamics of the cars. I guess someone had to be the lab rat.
man, your videos are serious and fun at the same time, unlike other channels who are really serious and sometimes they are so serious that its not fun to watch it anymore. i love how you produce your vids.
Alonso already said what they have to do to make Spanish grand prix interesting, „Cut the chicane”
In a nutshell: Preseason Testing and Aero Limited corners before straights
Another problem is the change of tyre size. With smaller tyres (maybe also not slick as 1998) every corner gets more difficult to be interpreted.. And needs better breaking skills. Also front wing need to be reduced in order to reduce the loss of downforce of following cars ;)
the modified turn 10 destroys any overtaking chance
Not like anyone overtook in turn 10 anyway..
Alot of these people wasn't even born when the track layout was different so jdk what they talking about
@@priyanshrawat609 old turn 10 in motogp ALL the time
Love a track explanation video before the race .. hopefully you continue to do this .. keep it up !
"How many stock videos do you want to use?"
Matty: "Yes"
They've already changed the weather conditions for Sunday to 'cloudy', so don't expect much.
@peter pan Oh yeah it's so great that the conditions will favour the fastest car, that'll make it so much more exciting to watch.....
even when there is a thunderstorm the track will stay dry by magic
Hmm...
I know it's not safe/possible to do so, but what if the track was run in reverse? That opens up a LOT more overtaking opportunities.
Here, let me run through the key points of a lap in reverse for you:
• Though the straight is coming off of a chicane - a medium speed one, albeit - it IS long, and if you can make up the ground to get on the inside going into Turn 1, you can all but secure the spot at Turn 2 as it's a chicane there.
• Turn 8 also takes place after a straight, only this one is set after a much faster turn with a higher entry speed anyway. You should be able to overtake there if you can get on the inside.
• Turn 12 appears to be a place where you can fight back for that position, or if you haven't made the overtake stick at Turn 8. Of course, this is only 'in theory.'
• Feeling brave? Turn 14 might be a place where you can pull a move on the outside because of how fast and sweeping it is and leads into a right-hander.
Only mazepin could make spanish GP exciting
With mazespin and a safety car re start
Mazespins into lewis disrespecting a Blue flag
@@olivierfritzen2749 then people will love mazepin 🤣🤣🤣
Nah, we need something more powerful.... like Maldonado.
There was a SC restart. Just not a fun one.
Bruh everyone getting on social media complaining Portugal was boring because there wasn't a fight at the front (even though there were plenty of battles in the mid field and you're rarely going to have any lead changes outside of a spec series now days).
And then we go to Barce where there may be like 5 total passes in the whole race lolololol
I immediately googled the weather to check. Please, please, please rain.
yeah...and best on and off...with no certainty...or rain on one side of trck and sunshine at the opposite end.... ;-)
Wouldnt it be hilaryous if it started raining 5 minutes into the race while everyone is still on slicks?
@@Ferrari255GTO Would be awesome, but i bet that it will start raining 5 min after the podium is over as always lol
@@augustooliveira5588 yeah, that wouldn't take anyone by surprise tbh, rain is an ass here, every time i leave for groceries it starts raining, then you get home dripping and when you look out the window there are two suns in the sky and your eyes begin boiling lmao
@@Ferrari255GTO The good old F1 weather
Was there an "internet's best reactions" after Portugal?
no
@@homejain4135 kk. Thought I'd gone mad
probably because he was following the trend with no social networks this weekend and didnt want to make one because of that
none
The change I would make would be changing the circuit to Hockenheim.
even more boring.....yawn...its always been rubbish...ask jim clark.....
@@stratman9449 2019 was really good bruh
Spain: Has Jerez
Also Spain: Uses the Barcelona track for the pinnacle of Motorsport
Jerez overrated
Spain circuits don't should be in F1
@@pauloaz496 Maybe Aragon?
Jerez For Motogp is very good also many overtake and aragon too
Jerez is practically banned after the trophies switching snafu by mayor of Jerez at the final race of 1997 season, the title showdown between JV and MSC.
F101 is the definition of editing heaven
Checking the weather at the end, lol. Thanks for that ray of sunshine (or lack thereof).
Keep turn 13 as is but smooth out turns 14 and 15 so you have a compromise somewhere between chicane and flat out. Start the radius of 14 almost right after t13. That way they have to brake for 13 but then 14, 15, 16 and the whole front stretch is mostly flat out.
Or for a most cost effective option, use the first chicane layout option instead to extend the flat out bit by just a little
I feel sad that my home gp is one of the worse in the calendar
Just move bruh then you have a different home GP
don't be sad bro ur track is leading the way in driver safety and is a shining example of future F1 tracks will be modeled after.
@@KrolKaz Yeah, right. If any more circuits are modeled after Catalunya, F1 is gonna be boring as hell.
“You’ll be wondering whether you’re racing or playing ping pong”
Who remembers?
Mein Gott muss das sein?
Well it was my first race attended in 2017. Starting on the trainstation in Barcalona where nobody spoke English enough to tell us anything and they did not know what we meant with F1 circuit de catalunya...... So taking the wrong train (same track but this one specifically skipped the right station which meant overshooting the region the tickit was vallid for...... I really do not get why they make it so difficult.). After 1 hour of walking to the circuit we found some 6 other people with the exact same journey....... So we alle shared soke cabs to the actuall circuit. At least they knew where to go.
Then on the track a only Spanish speaking person asks for your ticket to point you to the proper seats. (Which apparently were the wrong seats.).
The next day we decided to get a more expensive shuttlebus to the track directly from Barcelona. Then it was lights off. Watching from the main straight we could see the cars move out of sight. (The track curves down and to the left out of view. The main straight is not a great viewing position.
Verstappen did one corner so my favourite was out of the race. Still Ricciardo did wel I believe. But it became really boring quick. Appart from the tyre changes.
I want change last slow chicane to fast left, right chicane. Something between the old version and the new version.
You basically predicted this race. Only one overtake for the lead on track minus the start, and Hamilton only needed 30 lap fresher tires to do so. He couldn't even give Max the nose into T1 with 5-10 lap fresher tires.
Don’t be salty that Max lost, it was a great race
@@Enucentro I'm not a Redbull fan lol. I like Hamilton more than Max, but I like Ferrari and Alpine. There was one pass for the lead on track, and that was with around 10 laps left. You knew as soon as Hamilton pitted that he was going to win with around 25 laps left because he was instantly 1-2 seconds faster. If that's a great race for F1 then I don't even want to know what a bad race looks like in your eyes. Artificial racing isn't exciting.
F1 has become so overengineered that the only way to make consistent overtakes is with tires that are 10+ laps younger with DRS enabled. That's not exciting. That's predictable and artificial.
What did you think of Verstappen's overtaking in turn 1!!! That and the tire swap situation made the race a little more enjoyable.
After the start as second and right side corner late braking .... Sir Lewis backed off a while .....
xD that ending is awesome thanks for the info mate. good day
Not only because the track offers no opportunity for racing but also because it was the traditional preseason testing track for so many years, teams and drivers have so much data and knowledge on it, it made optimal setup a trivial matter therefore no surprises could be sprang. Now with the turn 10 change there is no hope. The only way for some spectacle would be tropical kind of storm followed by blistering desert like sunshine and then a tornado. Seriously it's going to be a snooze fest. If i were to make changes to the track then it would alter its shape radically.
Connect turn 2 with the middle of turn 3. Connect the new turn 3 into the exit of turn 5, keep the old turn 10 but connect it to the endpoint of turn 12, shorten the straight before turn 13 by 25% and make turn 13 cut across and connect with turn 15. With these changes there will be opportunities all over the track, it will be a shorter track and faster track with very heavy braking zones and done at around 1 minute. Now to keep it longer instead of connecting turn 3 to turn 5 we could make turn 4 hairpinny and connect it 50 meters before turn 5 to make a big change fast speed change of direction before turn 5 which will test drivers and setups, we could see some people going off there.
Sprinkler systems at each corner
Actually the fast right hander wouldn’t have helped too much due to increased dirty air
My thoughts as well. But I guess after all it's a trade off. Without the chicane speeds trough the last corner are higher which according to my understandings would increase the effect of the slipstream on the straight due to the bigger drag the car in front creates because it's faster at the start of the straight, obviously. With the chicane there is less dirty air through the last corner and theoretically the car behind should be able to be closer to the car in front. On the other side speeds for the first part of the straight are slower meaning less punch through the air and less slipstream. I mean it can't be too difficult, if it's not for safety purposes as assumed in the video, to take two cars and compare driving behind each other through and not through the chicane and seeing which offers increased chances for overtaking.
Tittle edit: "bad for 4 tyres racing"
For motorcycle racing, this is such a unique track and has given such amazing race over the years
I started my simracing career on this circuit and I love older layout. Last corners make me feel like parabolica orfirst part in Suzuka.
getting us excited for the weekend i see...
How did this made you excited 😭
@@MrTeeGee95 didn't thought of the possibility
i think that this track has potential, it only needs a layout change
I agree but that is due to the sweeping corners. If the cars could follow then maybe there might be some good overtakes in the race.
@@yugammalhotra378 i mean, this track is better for Motogp, but maybe in the future we might see some action here if everything goes well
Haha Great video, enjoyed that one 👍😁
There are so many small changes that could make a big difference, here are just three:
Reprofile t7/t8 into a hairpin
Make the run in to t14/15 longer and reprofile the chicane to be easier to overtake at and less clunky (think Monza t1/t2)
Lengthen the straight into t4 and t4 could be tightened slightly for a bigger braking zone.
At Barcelona it always seems to me that if the a lot of the straights were 50m longer and a lot of the braking zones were 20/30m longer it would be a totally different track to race on and have a lot more overtaking opportunities, which may sound obvious.
Problem is, the circuit's sort of on top of a plateau and there's really nowhere you can re-profile the circuit.
I literally fell asleep last Spanish gp
I’d remove the chicane at the end of the lap and make turns 1 & 2 more flowing to encourage overtaking at turn 4.
After watching the grand prix :
So that was a f*cking lie
My suggestions for changing the track are adjusting the last corner to a much slower 90 degrees turn and adjust the first corner into a replica of the Bahrain first two corners by extending the straight a bit.
My other suggestion would be the section after turn 10. Make a longer straight after that corner that puts turn 11 (a new hairpin) beside turn 9. After 11 comes another longer straight to turn 12 that should be more wide to improve overtaking.
In both cases: drop the last cichane.
Totally agreed.
Nevertheless I really like the circuit and it's layout.
I hope the 2022 cars will be much more fun to watch and will allow for more oppertunities with the hopefully minimized aero-loss when following closely.
My thinking goes like that: If the cars can follow each other much more closely through even high-speed corners, this should improve their ability of pressuring the opponent into a worse racing line.
And since the overtaking car won't have the advantage of even more grip (it must have more grip that the one in front to begin with, otherwise no closing the gap) in the "fresh air" related to the one it passed after the overtake it in the now "less dirtier air" it should be easier for the overtaken car to maybe keep up and start a counter attack in the next corner if the difference in mechanical grip isn't too big.
First
Finally a first comment that is actually... first.
This is very very rare
Why is Spain a bad track?
Answer: There are way too many opportunities for Mazespin to mess up someone’s race...
Some changes I would like to make ( just my opinion
Extending turn 3 exit /entry turn 4 ( extend by 50-100 m) :
Makes turn 4 a braking zone although not that hard like turn , just like les combes
Turn 7 to be sharpened to at least a point it is a braking zone and still helping to carry the same speed through turn 9 :
Add some braking , making turn 7 less horrible for car following and also can be used for overtaking if side by side
Extend turn 10 ( hairpin one ) by at 50 m :
Increase the braking needed for it
Removes the god awful chicane : pretty self explanatory
Make turns 1&2 tighter, like the ones in Bahrain.
Forget about turns 6,7&8, and make a loong "curved straight" from turn 5 to turn 9.
Instead of keeping the chicane, put the second to last corner earlier and use a tighter last corner.
Love the weather forecast
I live very close to the circuit, and despite the 26 degree weather and beautiful sun..
I'm still really hoping for rain haha!
I would make some changes. One, eliminate the chicane and replace it with a more open and flowing turn. Two, redesign turn 9 to better flow into the straight that follows. Three, make turn 10 a hard braking zone. Even better: off the schedule outright. Just use for testing only.
Even after some tweak in the game files (Drag reduction under slipstream 10% -> 20%)
(Downforce reduction under dirty air 20% -> 15%)
Overtaking on this track in F1 2020 is still quite difficult.
Did you do that? How do you know the numbers?
Do the race in Jerez or Jarama. Jarama was made by the same guy as Zandvoort and JP GP
The fact that Matt is an engineer in My Team career in f1 2020 is awesome
I suggest for next year please change the spanish gp circuit please for the best mybe go back to previous lay outs like jerez, jarama or valencia street circuit or use a circuit which havent been used for racing but for testing and that is Ricardo tormo track at valencia which one of these tracks do you want to f1 race at spain because i want them to race at ricardo tormo.
Is the sausage (or whatever meat it is) processing plant still across from the main straight? I remember year after year of complaints about the smell.
The Catalunya Track Paradox. It's wonderful to drive on. It's a pain in the Allerwerteste to watch.
Pain in the Allerwerteste - A very good denglish one
That gravel trap at the old hairpin looks super deep tho, we should see a few DNFS possibly at lap 1
The hint to rain on sunday, subtle😂
I personally love putting laps down on the track in racing games, it just does not work in real life unfortunately
You do know the problem is the fast turn 16, not the turn 14,15 chicane that kills overtaking, right? During high-speed corners, formula 1 cars heavily depend on clean air so their downforce works optimally. Driving behind someone and therefore in his dirty air means you have less downforce so you can't go through turn 16 as quick as the car ahead and that is most of the time a disadvantage you can't make up for with the drs and slipstream on the straight. Having 2 of those high-speed corners only makes the problem worse.
I’m sure it’s been mentioned but, pre season testing...
Have it at a track that isn’t on the calendar that year, ideally nearer the Med where it’s likely to be warmer at that time of year and rotate through the grade 1 tracks that fit the bill so they don’t have soo much data of it
Portimao, Barcelona, Imola, Monza, Mugello, Paul Ricard
Or just stay at Barcelona but use another track for the race as there are 4 in Spain, according to wiki...
My first time watching this channel and I here by give him the stamp of approval all the way from Jamaica 🇯🇲
I would tighten T1 radius (90º, sochi intensifies), set the second straigt hairpin further away, allowing more straight (also increase runoff area) and replace the chicane with the normal moto gp turn but make it like a last china gp turn, with a bollard on the inside and astroturf on the outside.
To make more interasting i would put a heavy braking zone turn1 and the alternative way in the last corner it woulb be amazing
Fun fact: when the track was designed in the early-1990s, it was supposed to create overtaking opportunities with the longish straight and the sweeping final corners. Then, as aerodynamics became more important, cars couldn't follow each other in the fast corners and overtaking became really hard in the late-1990s. This hasn't really changed and that dreadful chicane probably only made it worse. However, the track produced some interesting races at the beginning of the Pirelli era, when differences in tire wear could overcome the difficulties of passing. Since the 2018 resurfacing tire wear is much lower, which produced fairly processional races. Moreover, in modern Formula 1 overtaking isn't much about braking zones. It's about the DRS zone being long enough, sadly.
Thanks for jinxing the rain mate! Thanks. A. Lot.
There's sooooo much run off at turn 1 they could easily extend the straight slightly and turn the sweeping corner into a very tight 1, like monza, but leave the track wide so that you can get 2 cars into side by side. Wouldnt take much effort to do it eathier
Can’t wait for the race!
why not?
They need to widen the track in some areas and change some corners for easier overtaking.
The one race I feel like I'm not missing out on after watching qualifying.
Preseason testing and the other mayor point I found: if you are by some miracle close enough through 14 and 15 the straight is actually too long so that the overtake is going to be done way before the corner, which equals boring
1. Change turn one to more of a sharp turn like spa
2. Get rid of the turns 14 and 15
3. Bring back turn 10.
Such a classic track. I've played many F1 games and even in the games it's hard to overtake.
I want to point out a fact that someone commented on another video. The last chicane actually helps overtaking as a high speed corner before the straight will make overtaking harder
Good news that the drivers and the president of the Grand Prix Drivers Association Alexander Wurz wrote to the FIA about the corners 14 and 15 to change back to the old layout. Alexander Wurz is also a safety expert so there a good chance it may change for next year
Honestly next year should be a great race here as long as we see cars going for overtakes around turn 3.
in F1 game i always try to overtake between turn 3 and turn 4 but man the tyres wears a LOT if you do that xd
there were 2 potential overtake zones, and nows theres 1
I saw a post on Instagram:
Leclerc in Spain: Spain without the S
Mazepin in Spain: Spain without the a
Blyat spin nahyu,i love vodka
There is a chance where the weather condition will change on the Qualifiers and Race day. So, it might change the taste for a bit
Antonio just said that turn 10 should be a better for overtaking
Too many medium speed corners, a mediocre middle sector and a woeful final chicane. Those are my main gripes.
The final part will age like Josh Revell's vid if it's sunny
short: the straights don't provide enough length to close these large gaps between the drivers caused by the dirty air in those long sweeping corners
Even without the last chicane, it was hard to see overtakes because of the aerodynamic disturbance @@
It's a favorite in career mode on F1 2020 because I can mark it off as an automatic "win" on the calendar.
Shoutout for that "Airplane" reference!!!✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻