Why Do Slow Teams Stay In F1?
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- What does a team that does badly in F1 races have to gain from being in the sport? Is there any reason?
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Seems as though the 3:20 clip was so good it broke that part of the video 😅
You can find the history of F1 teams here: czcams.com/video/uA4xcZYVFTg/video.html
No worries, I only had a mild heart attack when I thought my PC broke.
Dont Worry, We thought It was a Special Pause Effect.
@@NomadUniverse Same here, can't imagine losing my GPU especially now amidst this scarcity.
Bazinga
I thought there was no such video and it was a deliberate joke
Brawn GP: 100% championship win rate
Lol
Damn, that's actually a record that can't be beaten
Mercedes domination for years couldnt even match brawns score. Rookies lmao
Marcus Winkelhock lead every Race he drove in Formula 1
But they didn't they cleverly cheat with double diffusers
Sponsorship also keeps teams like Williams afloat as well as there is a clause where teams get a extra bonus at the end of the year for being a “legacy team”
It's kinda sketchy that ferrari and Williams get legacy payments. Other major teams get big payments to stick around. Donut media did a good piece on the financial aspects
@@yarkobroda they really did a good piece on that haha
@@yarkobroda yeah its called the exploitative nature of capitalism
A third of this video is an add, so it's not just F1 teams.
@@christiankane5802 😱
Actually Frank Williams Racing Cars team did'nt score 0 points. They scored half a point with Lella Lombardi. The first woman to score a point in f1. This happened in the 1975 spanish gp. That's because the race was permanently red flagged and in that moment Lombardi was in p6 so she recived not one but just half a point.
ah yes i remeber that, heard that from a man named Josh Revell
oh yeah i read about this on f1 fandom, i was reading about the 5 races that were permanently ended and half points were awarded and one of the race was the 1975 spanish gp where she managed to made this terrific achievement
@@swapnade4347 As an italian I knew this before that video came out. The equivalent of nowdays 4 points!
Lombardi wasn’t racing for Williams then, she was in a factory backed March. She did race for Williams at the season ending US GP but did not start.
You are correct, however, that FWRC did score points, in fact they scored a total of 12 with a further 23 points being awarded to the constructors of the cars frank raced (Brabham and March)
Poor research all round
Belgian GP tried to do the same
“What’s the point?”
Williams and Haas: *idk we don’t have that*
Williams is just Williams. A very long history and it has to be here. Haas is just Haas. Money, Uralkali, Rich Energy (which was actually poor)
@@kolec5075 Poor Energy
underrated comment tho XD
Just haas now.
Williams part aged really well
Other pretty classic reasons include brands and people doing their sweet money laundering in sports, or simply because, even if all teams are aiming for the win, sometimes being the 4th, 5th best is still a great result. It's like getting a 4th or 6th in an Olympic sport, you're still up there among the best. And that might still mean plenty of sponsorship money.
Love your art
Plus, you get to push technological limits.
ha eu te sigo no twitter tua arte eh masaa
More interesting than why is HOW they stay. The 80's and 90's were really the golden age of the backmarkers.
When Teams could be lapped 7 times and be 10 seconds slower a lap.
Teams were swimming in that tobacco money too.
Man, the 90s and 00s with Marlboro, West, Bensen & Hedges, etc.
@@TheBrass18 And yet budgets are 10x higher today than in the 90s. With inflation they should be only twice as high
@@adampetten5349 it made for great wheel to wheel racing... if you missed schumacher lap someone the first time, you could see the battle again in a few laps... lol
80s and 90s seem to be the golden age age every sport. Glad I was able to see part of it
I mean, nxt year HOPEFULLY things will change for them
Especially Williams, and I don't want George to leave Williams, just imagine Williams become GOD-TIER and he leaves
Yeah imagining Williams become god tier is fuqing sick
Williams have admitted the chances are low for them becoming even a mid field team due to lack of funds. And George is a Mercedes driver, it will be better for him to be in Mercedes than a Williams haha. Let's see what Mercedes have decided between Bottas and Russel!
@@notshubhransh a recent interview with George kinda revealed he might have signed with Mercedes
@@toad3222 yeah, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed about hiding or nor revealing something lmao. Let's see that will Russel easily comply with team orders or we will se Hamilton vs Rosberg 2.0 hahha
Would be great
1 Answer: Hope
Well… you called it
Hope and maybe love to motorsport
For me it's because of they want to take advantage of a regulation change. Like how Haas and Williams are putting so much into next seasons car with huge aero regs
Brawn GP didn’t build the car Honda did, it was only through Brawn being able to appeal to Mercedes that the BGP 001 was as competitive as it was, hondas engines were pretty shite in 2008
How have you got to the point about appealing to Mercedes? I thought the story was the top dogs at Honda f1 didn't want to give up when their sponsor left; as they thought they might be onto something so stayed to see the car they had already designed compete? As the team was failing financially it was always going to be sold off for a low price, I thought Mercedes only got involved after they could see what the car could do and how it would work well moving forward in the kers era.
@@davidcheeseman658 i don’t really know. the story i heard from the ‘Brackley Boys’ ep of the Beyond the Grid was that Ross Brawn appealed to the engine manufacturers to try and keep the team in the grid and took the offer from mercedes
although apparently Ferrari and Renault both offered as well which is a nice story of F1 camaraderie. My main point was that Honda put like 200mn into that car so it wasn’t necessarily all Brawn’s work like the vid implies
@@tesseract_uk I think they definitely looked for sympathetic supplier offers but I'm not sure the Mercedes supply deal was exactly a done buy out deal! My only source is knowing Gary savage at the time when this was all happening. The impression I got was they were all very relieved when Mercedes offered to buy without a management change as they were a bit up the creek. Although I wonder if this was more relief for their jobs than it was for an offer at all 😂
As for your final point it's a iffy one as the team from Honda were mostly still there (I think mostly through commitment to the astonishingly fast car). so did brawn gp do Honda favour by racing the car they had funded or Honda do brawn go a favour by funding the car?
@@tesseract_uk The decisive point for the Mercedes engine was that it was the best fit for the "Honda" of all those offered, and thus required the least work to adapt to the chassis.
Not to mention that if a team leaves f1 then all of their employees would be out of a job.
Companies give zero fucks about that lets be honest
@@fallenolympian9860 depends on the company but yeah. No big one cares
@@fallenolympian9860 have you seen Claire Williams?
Well, actually in F1 the "remains" of failed teams are the new small teams, like Jaguar becoming Tororosso, so most of them keep their jobs regardless
A quarter of this video about sponsorship is literally sponsorship.
For a shady ass game too.
@@georgebull7526 Some weird blockchain shit
Considering how low the graphics are, it probably does some mining while you play too 🙃
@@georgebull7526 thats an NFT so u know that shit is BS
Looks absolutely terrible.
One day I wish to see Gunthers reaction when his team wins a championship. I really wish, but that’s all I can do for now
"YOU FOCKING WANKA ARE FOCKING WORLDCHAMPION"
@@Taubogason.40 😂
if he does not run out of money
I’d like to see Haas win for Gunther. He is all passionate and deserves some success.
Don't fok win in my cah
That sponsor is so gross, holy crap.
I for one LOVE the fact that Williams and Haas are sticking around. Who doesn't love an underdog story? If there is 1 special moment people remember from recent years its Markus Winkelhock leading a race for a brief moment. Who didn't enjoy Mick Shumacher duking it out today with his garbage Haas? That was properly exciting. And Williams actually scored points! I love it.
1 more reason: a team acting as a feeder team/entry team for the main team
Or a junior team
I feel bad for guenther, having to let go of grosjean and kevin who were able to get points sometimes
He fok smashed his door
A cheap low-effort racing game probably filled with MTX's that uses NFT's? I'm about to throw up. That is actually abhorrent.
If this is the kind of genuinely awful sponsorship WTF1 partners with, you're not getting any support from me.
Every team that isn't on the podium is a feeder team for the one's that are. Also, manufacturers share components and tech that gets applied in the commercial mass production market as well as F1.
That feeder shite was the last nail in the coffin for me...
I really want the Williams team to do well. I even want to see them in the top 5 area. Unfortunately they need more funding. They can't compete with Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari, etc. These teams also seem to have unlimited funding like the Illusive Man from the Mass Effect series.
That sponsor seems like a massive scam.
Yeah who watches it and thinks "ohhh making money by playing a game. That totally doesn't sound like a scam!!!"
The whole "you have to be quick since there is massive interest so be quick to or you miss out" is a major major major red flag.
@@jeltje50 but people watch other cars and buy into a drink that makes them fat and sick making them fly. :-D
I would love for Porsche to join F1
I think that they will probably join after the engine regulations in 25/26
@@ttv_mxr_btw_sweatytryhard6824 need those Germans back. We need Bmw especially back. They were amazing with Montoya. And we need audi as well.
@@car-enthusiast3141 Not going to happen as long as F1 is running on combustion engines. Even M Performance cars are going to be fully electric in the near future, there won't be a combustion M4/M3 anymore, so I highly doubt that they would rejoin the F1, it just wouldn't make sense.
@@darrenlau1412 Lamborghini was in F1 as an engine supplier at one point quite a long while ago. I am not sure about Porsche but I feel they must've participated or contributed in some way or another too. But yeah, a full fledged official team under these makes would be amazeballs
Porsche is on formula E. Unfortunately, to me E seems boring.
Brawn wasn’t exactly a smaller team tho - they had 100mil from Honda + entirety of last year’s Honda budget and manpower + the best engine on the grid from Merc
I’m so glad Williams have finally got enough points to get to P8 this year after such a long drought, and even more glad that McLaren have almost returned to the top after their serious issues a few years ago.
I hope that in 2022 we have a surprise victory contender. McLaren, Alpine or Aston Martin. It would be nice to see a team finding the right gaps in the regulation and become a big player. It happens I'd say once out of two big regulation changes. Brawn and Red Bull in 2009 for example, while McLaren and Ferrari were down.
The entry fee for new teams is actually more expensive than the cost cap.
Not to mention the fact that repairs and component replacements count towards the cost cap.
I remember around the mid to late 90s Minardi scoring a point was to them like winning the championship and back then points were only handed down to 6th place
at 3:20 my heart stopped because I though my graphic card was dyeing.
*dying
Dyeing would've been something which even I would've liked to see your graphic card do aha
@@Ishan716 sorry for my London
@@RoqueTHEGAMER sorry for my Birmingham
3:20 nice clip bro
Too good to handle
There Haas to be a reason
The part about Frank Williams Racing cars scoring zero points wasn’t true, the ISO Marlboro got a few points in 1973 and Piers Courage got Frank’s privateer car to 2nd at Monaco and USA in 1969
Thank You for the video…
My question is why are the slow teams so slow compared with the others???
I always thought the F1 is expensive. But honestly, NFL Teams have a 220+ million cap space only for the players. + Operating the facilities etc. So 140 is not that much.
Well, the answer didn't convinced me. I think, and many will disaprove, the big teams are secretly founding the smaller ones not just Red Bull, to have some sparring parters on track, cars to test new parts, and to train future top drivers.
Is there really any meaningful advantage to using NFTs to demonstrate ownership of in-game assets? Like, what's the point of burning energy on minting these NFTs when the app can just say that a player is the sole owner of a particular resource? It seems like a waste to me. Plus, the use of NFTs (which depend on an exorbitant amount of energy usage for no practical benefit) feels completely contrary and disrespectful to F1's mission of sustainability.
I always had a soft spot in my heart for Minardi. Passion-fueled, perennial underdogs; the last of the olde-tyme garagistas.
3:21 i think something broke while rendering
Q1: if poor teams dont have enough money to develop a fast car that can be competitive, then why enter a race.
Q2: why are slow cars required to let faster cars lap them? All cars should be allowed to race and all race cars should learn to deal with slow cars in front of them.
A1: Profit. You don't want to start a team that bleeds money, and there's plenty of money given without having to win it all. Plus F1 is not fun if there's only 2-3 team that race every GP.
A2: It's really more of sportsmanship, like how you can't just block everyone that try to pass you in the corner (to pass in the corner you need to pick a 'lane' so if the front guy taking the inside lane you pass from the outside lane, but at the same time the front guy are not allowed to switch to the outer lane to block you)
I'm sure Steiner Haas a reason
It's the forksmashed doors.
@@andresilvasophisma and the wankers
you could ask the same of sports teams who dont have success in general
Do you think that the new rules for next year that will even up the sporting regulations and financial side of things will make it much easier for a new team to join and establish itself?
I feel like they should change the split of money. After 5th place. From 6th down it should be an even split. To help teams. It was sad to see williams be bought out. Also to keep thing competitive.
0:36
Me: hope that Nikita mazespin won’t spin for the weekend
@unwarantedmazepinhate
@unnecessaryf1hate
Can you think through these sponsors please
0:29 Matt: "it's $145 million it's hardly pocket change"
Daddy Mazepin: *Casually shakes out $200mil whenever his servant does his laundry*
Wonder what spins more , the laundry or his soon.
Backmarkers must be supported by the top four teams or there would only be eight cars each race. Also, when a business is always in the red and they continue to manage to stay open for business then the term "money laundering" comes into play. Backmarker is just a fancy name for "Mule".
Bring back customer teams! Let teams buy and race full cars made by other teams.
Also, no more having to pay millions just to be able to start a team. That's just a nasty way for the big teams to ensure they don't have competition.
Making it cheaper to enter f1 = more teams = more seats = more chances for less well known drivers to get into f1.
Sponsorship matters so much I F1 that even WTF1 uses sponsors
I'm supposed to be finishing an essay right now, but I just saw that WTF1 posted a new video, so, of course, I had to watch.
That is the rule.
Love your content but right at 3:54 when you said before you go I immediately closed the window no disrespect just don't subject myself to ads
It could help level the teams, giving more money to bottom teams so they can develop better cars, and top teams less money as they already have one. Similar as done in other sports. Crazy idea I know
Well Williams barely scored 3 points in 2013, only to score I think something like 6 or 9 podiums, in 2014. So there are ways things can turn around
Ready for Hyuandai/Kia to step up. I know it won’t happen… but sheesh - they’re stepping up their brand in the US… so I can only imagine if they jumped in.
As someone new to the sport I’ve been wondering exactly this
Brazilian driver Roberto Moreno said that, when he was racing for Andrea Moda in 92, strange things would happen if he got close to qualifying. Those days, you had pre-qualifying.
Eventually, the son of the team owner basically told him: it costs x million dollars to our family if you get to the race, and we can’t afford that.
It's not like that F1 is a hole where you throw money in and don't get stuff. Backmarkers have their fans, because it's still entertaining. Fans that only for the big teams do buy standard Merch but true fans do buy more and expensive stuff. I've looked into the shop of Mick and oh boy does it get expensive. Sure Shirts and caps are cheap but a helmet replica or a model car?
Their Research and Development compartment is also important. For Haas they can show of their CNC Machines. Mercedes does have one, as seen in a CZcams video of them. A race fan does not care about it. Companies who do need CNC Machines do see how reliable their cars are and may buy a Haas Machine.
Wasn't it Williams who build a different KERS System with a flywheel and sold it?
There are teams that only came as an expensive hobby but the companies who stay, won't go away so fast, because they are not winning.
Sure there is RedBull who is nearly everywhere and throw a lot of money into it for big advertising.
Here in Germany Redbull bought a European football team. It was in the 5th league and now it is in the 1st League. The team is called RB Leipzig and due to rules, it doesn't mean Redbull.
That thumbnail, money and Mazespin LMAO
Question that might be interesting. Does it have to be 10 teams, or can there be more or less? What happens if not enough teams want to be there?
There can be up to 24 or 26 drivers on the grid, which equals to 13 teams, I think the latter question can be answered by the early 50s, 1952 and 1953 were run with Formula 2 regulations as not enough manufacturers could make it with F1 regulations (it should be noted that F2 wasn't a spec series back then, it was more of a toned down F1)
There's a maximum of 26 cars (might have changed to 24 at some point), but for a minimum, F1 keeps an eye on it more from a commercial standpoint. If not enough teams show up, they wont be able to have the event they promised to the promoters in each venue, so they try to keep some afloat. Minnow teams like Minardi, Arrows, Manor all had some sort of cash injection from F1 itself to stay for a little longer.
In other words, it's part of the commercial interest to have at least enough cars for a race. See how F1 had to pay lots in damages to the promoters of Indy 2005 when only 6 cars actually competed in the race. Arrows, in 2002, had to participate in a qualifying session (and fail to set a time that would let them race) only because if they skipped the race entirely they'd be fined by F1.
F1 Should use an American Format to garantice equality. The Worst team gets the most money and the champion the less, because that helps the small and slow teams to develop meanwhile the winning teams have the title and a more valuable brand for the sponsoring. It's a win-win
3:20 what happened there? The video is corrupted for me
how long before Revv Motorsport is a team in F1?
this week’s race underscores the dream is always alive.
I love how in the original 80s transformers had both a p34 and a ligier
is there a video explaining, why dont all the grid get points? doesn make sense to finish 11th or 20
I assume Ferrari is instrumental in creating arrangements to keep F1 going. It all seems very intertwined because it’s insanely expensive.
Just thinking: Maybe there should be a Promotion/Relegation competition, in Motorsport. Come up with a new feeder series to F1 open to commercial manufacturers(Porsche, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, etc) and the Champions of that series get promoted to F1, along with 2nd place and the lowest 2 teams in F1 gets relegated. Those 2 teams would receive a prize sum to put towards their next season in F1, and the relegated teams gets parachute payments. I don't know how or if it could work, but it's just an idea.
Frank Williams was able to hold on for as long as he did because F1 allowed customer cars then. He didn't have to design and build a car. He could just buy one. If F1 would allow them again, they could see bigger grids.
Franks last customer car was in 1972 though
me :- GEORGE RUSSEL 2021 HUNGARIAN GRADN PRIX is the best example for hope (some may say that the car does not desrve that 2nd place but george russel is an exceptional driver)
Can you make a video on Sebastians disqualification today. I don’t quite understand what happened
yikes at the sponsor of this vid
And also, if they kept going away, how many teams would we have racing?
No Brawn did not find a gap in the regulations and built an incredible car, Honda did. The car that became the Brawn was designed way in advance of Honda deciding to sell up. What Brawn did was get the engine deal, that really helped make the difference.
Hey
Can you make a video for how to start a f1 team
There has to be at least 10 teams, hopefully no one is allowed to fail at this point
Bonus points for using a clip of WWE's Bayley at 0:58
how often do you see the current 10 teams being replaced
Moral of the stories. Always have major rules change, preferebly below 4 years each
“You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
"Hope that next year will be the one" - nah mate, that's Ferrari
I was pondering this question as I was watching drive to survive..
I've been wondering about this since the days of Minardi
when you say that brawn bought the honda team for one pound, did the exchange of currency actually take place? like are there any pics or videos of brawn shaking the honda ceo´s hand and handing him a one pound coin?
Banktransfer?
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the new budget cap should shake the grid up a few spots
haas on the thumbnail for this video then get p5 constructors
Miss these back marker teams
I thought it was so billionaires can avoid taxes by writing off their loss in the f1 team books
Probably actually is
Love the shout out to Bayley
So basically they stay to have rookies get practice on the real cars after the f2s f3s and f4s so If they perform well there they will be promoted to ferrari, merc or redbull
Haas Team might be delusional to think they can score points this season with two new drivers. Pardon me for being negative.
I'd gone by 4:00 - apologies, watching a practice session
Even the 'slow cars' will torch the fastest race legal non F1 cars like the Porsche 919 and Toyota TS040.
Wishing the best for the underdogs, they deserve better.
Ah NFT , such heady times
Nowadays most teams are either competing teams of junior teams for the competing teams. So, pretty much those slow junior teams stay because they serve their purpose of trying out and giving experience to younger drivers.
Plot twist. Haas is actually good now
Sad that you need be an engine supplier to win a champ these days
Nice Bayley reference there
I thought you has something useful to say but you literally just laid out all the obvious reasons