Instead of being called Ben, Should be Referred to as Rusty Since He took a Massive L from Vader in this Skirmish oooooohhhhhh his(Lord Vader), Blood was Boiling hotter than Mustafarian Lava in this Duel "I Am What You Made me" His(Obi-Wan) Skills are Similar to what a Former Fighter would Be.
So... The leak was real.... Gas leak underground that is... Chad Darth Vader: Peek A boo! I see you! Kenobi: Leave me alone! Vader: Understandable have a good day.
I know he’s cut himself off from the force so badly that he doesn’t hold a candle to Vader. I think he will have a flashback next epsiode and finally learn to commune with Qui-gon and then he’ll be back to epsiode 3 form. Remember in just 4 years he one shots Darth Maul.
Dude was in a full anxiety and ptsd attack and was completely unprepared. You can see him panicking not even using his form 3 or any form of Sabre combat
Obi-Wan was depressed seeing his student like that, depressed at the failure of the Jedi, and hasn’t used the force in a long time. Comparatively speaking Vader was at his highest power level, full of rage and hate for his fate and for Padime’s death.
Dude was scared af because he just found out that his former apprentice is now a walking death machine. Kenobi was a strong Jedi master and went through a lot, but he can't tolerate this. Vader is a living nightmare for him.
@@paolopesare3566 Agreed but in A New Hope he is clearly more wise and accepting of his failure. He could beat Vader in A New Hope but then chooses to let Luke have this chance for himself. It's further proved by Maul's defeat in 3 moves by Ben.
@@ranvirmalhi4850 I agree, in fact, I believe this series is meant to show us the transition from PTSD Kenobi to the wise master we met in the original trilogy.
This is one of the most evil Vaders of all. He doesn't even want to kill him. He would rather watch him suffer again and again and again. Imagine suffering from extreme pain and fear and that is happening again and again.
@@psychoticdaizyproductions569 Fire burns off nerves thy can feel pain. He wants Obi Wan to feel his torture. He only pulled him out so he can feel what Vader does next. After he’s done I’m betting he’d throw in back in the fire
"Now you will suffer... Obi-Wan. Your pain... has just... begun..." There you can see that Anakin has lost his mother, his wife, his child, his body, his limbs, and lives in pain every day for the last ten years. And he blames Ob-Wan for all of it.
Vader is to blame for alot of his pain, but Anakins death was straight up Obiwans fault 😂 he couldve rescued her or allowed Anakin to rescue her but he didnt...
i like how obi wan told leia the force is the light in the dark but then when he's alone in the dark facing vader he turns his lightsaber on because he's "scared" of the dark which implies he lost almost all connection to the force
I love the part at 1:14. Instead of having Vader enter the scene by suddenly attacking him.. he casually strolls in to demonstrate the inevitability of him finding Obiwan
I love how slow Vader’s blade ignites at 0:17 and how quick Obi Wan’s blade ignites at 0:53 because it shows how calm Vader is compared to how terrified Obi Wan is
Honestly it's really interesting to see how the two interact in Kenobi compared to Episode IV. Here, Kenobi's panicky and genuinely terrified, still lost after the fall of the Republic. Vader has harnessed his anger, his rage, his obsession with Kenobi and converted it into power, and it shows. Then there's Episode IV, where Kenobi has long since accepted whatever his future may be while Vader... hadn't changed one bit. he was still vengeful, still obsessed over Obi-Wan, and that was the difference. One had managed to move on, and the other had not. Vader didn't even get the satisfaction of seeing Kenobi's corpse, nor the satisfaction of truly beating his master and redeeming his previous loss because Kenobi had chose to die there instead of killed. He really did become more powerful than Vader could imagine, because Vader lost in both spirit and mind when he struck him down. No satisfaction, no vengeance, no corpse. All that was left of his vengeance and obsession was a robe and a lightsaber.
It’s likely Kenobi retrained again and restored enough of his Force power back by his old age and of course Rebels reveals he could hold his own quite well after some re training.
This hits even harder for Obi-Wan when you think he’s realizing right now what has been told to us by Lucas since the movies came out: that Darth Vader is the combination of all the villains of the Prequels. Adding up to the trauma of knowing this monster is actually Anakin, Obi is also most likely seeing in him the “ghosts” of Maul, Dooku and Grievous. And all the pain and fear he endured at their hands is coming back to haunt him.
I don't know if that so much is coming back to haunt him or if it is more the fact that Obi-Wan feels the weight of all the atrocities the empire has committed or that he can imagine that the empire has committed because he wouldn't finish the job on mustafar. He has the guilt knowing that whatever terror Vader has unleashed on the Galaxy is his fault for not ending him when he had the chance.
It's crazy because Vader at this point is supposed to be several times weaker than Anakin. He is fighting against a man with no limbs bound in a torture suit lined with spikes and is still losing. The pure aura of pain and suffering is engulfing them both that it literally brings down Obi-wan down to Vader's level.
Obi Wan while certainly hasn’t suffered as much as Anakin, has suffered so much over the years, he witnessed his master Qui Gon, the only father figure in his life and Satine the love of his life die in his arms both murdered by his old rival Maul and yet he gave him a respectful end. He was also forced to chop down his brother’s limbs and to watch him immolate in the fiery lava of Mustafar and constantly suffer and live in regret for the rest of his life until only he realised that this all was never about him and he had to become one with the force in order for the next generation of Jedi to rise. Man am I surprised that he never gave in to the dark side, this man’s epic.
This the most brutal scene of vader ever scene on screen, straight up killing people, haunting and tortures obi wan, man the rage anakin felt on mustafar still burns years later.
@@jeiyo660 He didn’t let him live out of the goodness of his heart. He wants him to suffer. He was getting ready to have a trooper restrain him so he could bring him somewhere to slowly torture him to death. It’s his own obsession with getting even instead of getting the job done that allows Obi Wan to live
Think about this through Kenobi’s eyes. The last time he saw him, Anakin was still freshly anointed by the dark side. His brother still wore Jedi robes, carried a sky-blue lightsaber, and his eyes weren’t even yellow. He was only a fallen Jedi; an angry, grieving emo. But now, he is fully transformed into a dark obelisk of power. His lightsaber blood-red. His breathing haunting, and a terrifying new voice. And it is all hitting Kenobi full-force. It gives new meaning when his eyes look him up and down, having changed so greatly. “What have you become?”
wait wait wait! someone explain to me what happens to the jedi or one trained in the forces body when they go to the dark side? does it truly make their appearance change? I remember and yes we can hate them later episodes but Han solos son he seemed to look normal without the crazy effects like Palpatine was. I know Palpatine was way older and Darth maul well let's be honest he just looked badass! but seriously does it really change the body when you are a certain type of way with the force?
@@mrstupiduniverse731c yes in the series. Where obi will come back strong and the words of vader in episode 4 will still make sense. “When I left you last I was but the learner, now I am the master”
lol he just runs off behind that hill in the beginning and Vader just standing there like ''uhh dude I can see you'' who wrote this crap? and secondly what happened to "last time we met I was but a learner, now I am the master” so it retconned the original movie.. Old Obi Wan would be all like ''what? last time we met what about all the times in between?'' becaulse this show is written by idiots who didn't even watch the OG.
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either that or he just wanted to let Obi Wan know that he made him the monster he became and not killing him outright was just another one of Obi-Wan's failures.
I like how this came out, Vadar comes in expecting a duel like in ROTS but is surprised he ran away. At that point he figured out that Kenobi fears him and does not even bother to put much effort in fighting. At the end he has an idea of what’s been going on with Kenobi and let’s him go. He knows he will be haunted by him for the rest of of his life. As much as I like to see Vadar playing with Kenobi I think I can speak for all that we wanted more, but this is good enough for me.
Fr. Vader didnt expect an Obi Wan who just runs away from his problems. He expected the Obi wan that had the balls to jump in a room full of battle droids, and challenge Grievous right in the heart of enemy territory. He expected the Obi wan who had been making Maul his bitch his entire life. U could tell he was disappointed
This series should never have been made. It was just another Disney nostalgia $$$ grab. The story expands nothing, changes nothing and brings nothing new to the table because it can't.
And I love how Obi-Wan finally accepts whatever responsibility he had for making Vader Vader(I know it was still Anakins choices to become evil)and entrusts his own fate in the Force as well as Luke's and then as a result, he is able to not only absolutely destroy Vader bad enough to Crack the Vader personality and allow Anakin to briefly reach out, but tap into a level of Jedi power that at that point not many, possibly anyone, had seen or were told it was a fairy tale
“I am what you made me”. That line hits so hard when considering Anakin’s past and the events of Mustafar. It also helps to reinforce the sense for Kennobi that he failed his padawan and in doing so helped create Darth Vader.
Yep and even sadder when in the finale, Obi-Wan briefly gets Anakin to appear who reassures him that his own downfall was his own doing, and not Obi-Wan's.
Darth Vader wasn’t referring to his turn to the Dark Side. He was talking about how Obi-Wan destroyed his body and forced him on mechanical lifesupport. This is pretty much reinforced later on when Vader tells Obi-Wan he is not responsible for his turn.
@@Krushtykon I'm glad there still are some real SW fans to call this disgusting nonsense for what it is, an abomination that Disney created, destroying characters, story and everything else...
From 4:37 and onward, the Vader we see from there isn’t Vader (figuratively), it’s Anakin. Which is why he lets Obi wan go because Vader is still dealing with conflict between the light and the dark side. Which is also why Palpatine pointed out that perhaps Vader’s feelings for his old master have weakened him at the end of episode 6
Great take! My take is that he is so shocked by how bad obi wan is that he lets him go out of pity. What sort of revenge is a revenge on a shell of the person who hurt you.
You’re both right but I also think Vader also wanted obi-Wan At his best think about it at first he wanted to torture him but after that fire it’s almost as if he wanted Obi-Wan to regain his former strength he wants to prove that he’s more powerful than ever especially after basically creating him him and nobody this time was going to stop you.
I love how Vader lets his hatred seethe. Bubbling up inside him, giving more fuel for his power. He knows that finding Obi-Wan is critical, however he also knows that as a sith, he needs an obsession, am ambition to reignite his hatred. And Ben is an unlimited supply of obsession.
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Ben's death was what marked the return of Anakin. Now that he was dead, Vader no longer had an obsession and began to come to terms with the fact that it was really Palpatine's fault as shown in comics taking place after ep 5. Then his son comes to confront him and save him while only showing love for him.
there is nothing to LOVE about this abomination, there is nothing to love about what Disney did to Star Wars and it's characters and story!!! NOTHING!!! if you call yourself a SW fan that is...
I like how that’s the first time Obi-Wan activates his lightsaber since Knightfall, and it’s not even because he wants to. He ignited it purely because he feels fear, because Vader terrifies him.
I think in the next episode, obi wan will realize that being a Jedi again is the best way to protect Luke from Vader, and we will see him begin to practice with the saber again
Realistically obi wan is very weak at the moment because he hasn’t used the force much in a very long time and also hasn’t used his lightsaber in a long time either
Not using the force I understand but not practicing Saber skills? Maybe he thought Vader was dead so he didn't think he needed to use a Saber? Idk very confusing to me. That's like a military solider being stranded in enemy territory and then decides to become a chef at one of their restaurants for years never picking up a gun or practicing and then the enemy finds out who he is and he has to fight his way out with nothing but kitchen knives and pans, that would be one dead soldier.
@@hiro7489 He buried his lightsaber in the middle of the dessert, which means he thought he'd never use it again. Remember this obi-wan had been depressed for over 10 years, the mental pain alone is enough to weaken even the strongest soldier.
Seeing Obi-Wan running away from a fight showed just how broken he was, he was no longer the master, he was the survivor. The callback to Anakin burning was so damn brutal. Shits about to go down. I love how much power is in every saber strike from Vader, this is gonna be an epic series and it already is.
Someone need to read closely to my comment that exactly what I say obi wan really was not trying to fight hell he even was not even not use one percent of his force power
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Likely Vader knew it too because notice during that little altercation, Vader was using just one hand. Anyone who's seen Empire Strikes Back knows that one-handed wielding Vader means that he's just toying with you.
The fire reflecting in the eyes of Vader's helmet is really creepy but also brilliant foreshadowing. This whole first fight just gave me shivers seeing Vader in his prime. Pure uncompromised rage & hatred!
I love how Vader doesn't even gloat to Obi-Wan that he is stronger now or waxing on about the power of the dark side, instead hitting straight against Obi-Wan and burning into him how it is he who turned him into more machine than man.
When Vader put Obiwan into the fire 👀 I couldn’t believe that. He could of easily killed him right there but Vader wanted to make him suffer first so he was just toying with Obiwan
Vader would not have been that much stronger than Obi-Wan there’s just no way. They’re putting Vader on too high of a pedestal and making Obi-wan look weak and sloppy they done the same thing with Luke. For some reason Disney loves making a mockery of old white Jedi lol. For like 15 years now I wanted to see what it would look like if Vader and Obi-Wan met up during this time period but Disney kinda just ruined it for me. Looks like something in a fan film
@@jasonhamm2188 I mean Obi-Wan hasn’t used the force or his lightsaber for ten years, he’s obviously still gonna be weak and rusty. I mean look at how long it took him to grab Leia and how hard he had to focus. He’s not the same.
@@jasonhamm2188 Obi-Wan is seriously rusty right now. Later on, he beats Vader in the show. Him beating Vader later would further explain as to how he was able to kill Maul in 3 moves during Rebels. Ben was stated to be able to best Vader in A New Hope but Obi-Wan wants Luke to have the opportunity to grow.
I love how in this scene Obi wan not only looks old, but also extremely ragged, whereas in the last fight he has with Vader in the finale, which is a far more intense fight, he looks completely put together and collected. For Obi wan to have beat Vader at that point, I think it really shows how ridiculously powerful Obi wan actually was at this stage of his life, and more than that, for him to have gained all that power back over just a few days is just insane, I love it
@@texasgent4694 That's a great observation. Vader was disappointed that Kenobi was essentially a shell of his former self in this fight. He could have easily killed him if he wanted to, but it wouldn't have given him any satisfaction. Not surprising at all that he let him go, he wanted to defeat the version of Kenobi that had bested him on Mustafar.
God I hate Disney Star Wars your telling me Anakin becomes engulfed in flames and permanently damages his body just by being near a stream of lava but somehow Obi-Wan walks off this 3:40 without any major repercussions 🤦♂️
Vader’s power in this scene is just unreal. He is basically toying with obi. The power of his lightsaber swings. Love this series so far! Can’t wait for the rematch
His cyborg enhancements might be the bad in terns of quality, but they still give him a massive strength boost. Not to mention he is still pretty pissed after getting his other limbs chopped off, his skin burns, and his final limbs also suffers a heavy burns.
Can we bust notice that Vader didn't use any form of combat? He knows that Kenobi didn't train for a long time, he justtortured him without using any fighting style, just brutally attacks him
Vader probably expected an Episode III Kenobi or stronger since it's been years. But nah, Kenobi thought that Anakin died and buried the lightsabers and never used the force and focused on looking over Luke.
@@WhatDoYouWant92 look at the height difference. Ewan and Hayden are the same height. Vader has a solid 5-7 inches on him. Maybe Hayden will play him in future scenes but I heard a majority of the duel scenes are played by someone else
Even with the mask on you can tell this is the angriest Vader put to screen, just how intent he was to cause obi wan the same pain he blames him for , compared to most other missions he's done this one was the most personal he's dealt with and most likely the strongest he's been in the dark side
It always makes me wonder what Vader was planning to do with Obi Wan after his capture. Yeah, torture seems like a valid option, but Darth claimed at the end of the series that he killed Anakin Skywalker and wanted to do the same to Obi Wan. I honestly think his objective was to turn him to the Dark Side. If not through torture, then through threatening his loved ones.
Obi can't believe how powerful Vader's strikes are. Good acting. His face is like WTF???? He can hit hard AF? The dark side made him hit hard AF. He looks like nobody hits saber to saber with that much strength.
Reminds me of Rebels. Vader is like an angry glacier. Slow inevitable but filled with with precise attacks. He can't afford to waste movement anymore. The flashy duels of his youth are gone with his limbs.
“I am what you made me” hits hard in both the physical sense (Anakin being maimed and burned and needing the suit) and well..*gestures at Vader during the episode*
"Is that truly my Old Master Obi-Wan Kenobi? The one who trained me, fought with me, sided with the jedi, and made me lose everything including a few limbs? He doesn't even use the High Ground!"
@@conn_man_249 Yeah but in Return of the Jedi he said “Obi Wan once thought as you do” when speaking to Luke about how he sees good in him still. It would lend more credence to that line if he at least tried in this show.
@@naughtybethesda1954 it would also lend more context to their duel in episode IV which is filled with a lot less hatred, would make sense if kenobi was able to get through to him a little
@@naughtybethesda1954 Obi-Wan clearly says goodbye to Anakin in ROTS, and praises him. The next time they meet, he is talking to Vader on Mustafar, though he calls him Anakin. It's made pretty clear on Mustafar that Obi-Wan chooses principle over loyalty. It's Anakin and Luke who have loyalty to people over principle. Lucas wrote all this to fit with the OT. The problem is that some people want to take figures of speech in dialogue over who the characters are and the actions they take. This show is waste of time, IMO.
It's truly sad, that Obi-Wan has to come back to his Jedi life, he was done with everything after Order 66, after Anakin turned to the dark side, and he never uses the force for a decade or holding a lightsaber.
Funny how recluse Obi Wan in ANH and Yoda in ESB, despite hiding away from the force for decades, have no problem using the force multiple times in those movies. Maybe this is a force rule that just affects Disney Wars.
"When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master. ...Oh, except for that other time a couple years ago where I basically curb stomped you. I was the master then too."
I think in their next fight vader is gonna be caught by surprise when kenobi gets himself back into form and learn from his mistakes in the next fight and carefully devise a method to beat him for a new hope.
He realized Obi-Wan had allies. In that moment he decided that it would be smart to let him regroup with his allies so he could take them all out. Smart move because it worked but then he let his feelings cloud his judgment in the last episode.
James Earl Jones is intrinsic to the haunting character of Vader. At 91 years old, he’s still got it! Just bittersweet that this may be one of his final performances as the character.
I think obi wan will be full power again by episode 6 of the series. They teased him being more powerful than ever. I have a feeling after this meeting his ass starts training
@@loganmitchell7498 I second that, it's Disney so I expect cookie cutter content, that's like their "Jedi path 101" get your ass whooped, consult your master, beat the enemy
This fight felt so scary and realistic, the instant fear plus 10 years of hiding and suffering unbearable sadness, gulit, despair and not using the force or lightsaber has rusted almost all of Obi-Wan’s knowledge and skills to properly defend himself while Anakin/Vader was busy getting stronger thanks to his wrathful hatred for Obi-Wan and desire to find and get revenge on him. at that point all Obi-Wan could do is do what Cal did in Fallen Order, run and pray that he would be able to find some way to hold Anakin/Vader back long enough to escape
"Realistic" "Vader's so mad" "Should have killed me when you had the chance" The show and this scene didn't follow up on any of these things. Oh no the fire stops me from getting Obi, looks like he got away. Disney is just killing it.
@@cesarvictorino8624 James Earl Jones actually sol his voice to Lucasfilm for the AI they used in this show. So, even though he’ll be gone, he’ll always be Darth Vader
All Obi Wan sees in that brief moment of dialogue in Vader's chest panel coming out of the darkness... Seeing Anakin in that suit, knowing who is beneath the mask paralyses Obi Wan; the fear in Obi's face tells the whole story. This is what he made Anakin into, this is what failing Anakin did. He is, just as Anakin is, responsible for the birth of the monster before him.
He just runs off behind that hill in the beginning and Vader just standing there like ''uhh dude I can see you'' who wrote this crap? and secondly what happened to "last time we met I was but a learner, now I am the master” so it retconned the original movie.. Old Obi Wan would be all like ''what? last time we met what about all the times in between?'' becaulse this show is written by idiots who didn't even watch the OG.
I had always wondered what a conversation pre a new hope would be like and it did not disappoint. “ what have you become?” I am what you made me. I’m glad they didn’t have him just charge him he drew him out and made him vulnerable and then toyed with him the second half of this episode felt like a horror movie and I loved it.
Right?! I was telling my wife that lol. I was like the horror movies are garbage but this really set the tone of true fear it’s like everyone start taking notes.
@@The_Ostrich Ah, so now you're saying people who criticized the show are now immature 15 year olds. Than in of itself is behaviour akin to that of a childs, the irony in your statement is laughable. A considerable number of adults criticized the show for this. Both the critics and general audience. That is an objective truth. No need to jump to infantile assumptions and embarrass yourself.
I wonder if vader had any conflicts within him the whole time he had the suit, or was he still a just lil bit upset from the whole limb cutting and body burning he went through lol.
He does. Right when the Stormtroopers start firing back as he stares on, he regrets lighting the ground on fire and wishes he just took Obi Wan in for torture
@@Mrpedr092 my bet is that he realizes deep down that Obi Wan would be haunted by him anyway. Finding him again wouldn't be difficult, but he's hoping to either torment his former master mentally or wait till he's more worth killing. As of now kenobi is barely even a shell of his old self
@@tylerhastings2766 it's AI assisted. You're mostly hearing a computer with the occasional bits and pieces of Hayden Christensen tones and overlays. And for those major scenes in the finale it's almost all Christensen obviously lol
Loved this fight!! Vader was terrifying and Obi Wan is so out of practice that he didn't stand a chance! Obi Wan being roasted in the fire was brutal!!
So …. No one is going to talk about how Obi-Wan was dragged through fire and had no burns to his face or hair?? And how Vader put the fire out force pushing Obi away, but when the sniper relit the fire with a shot Vader just stood there and helplessly watched a droid carry Obi away then turned and left. Giving up on everything he set out to do???? Y’all defending this crap too much 🙄
I think Vader is fighting here with Ben and that's the reason in his dialogue in episode 4 he speak about the last time they met he was the learner and now he is the master, he speak in episode 4 about Obi wan and not Ben. Is like Vader and Anakin, they are in the same body but they are separated, obi wan is the jedi master and ben is just the guy trying to escape. (Sorry for my english, my real language is spanish)
More than the lack of practice of the Force and the saber, we feel that it is the psychological locks that hinder Obi-Wan. Pain, regrets, feelings of guilt, fear of failing to protect Padmé's children... I like this extreme weakness which is very understandable. And I also like that what we see explains why Obi-Wan was sure Anakin couldn't come back: Vader is a bloodthirsty piece of shit here.
Seeing Vader try to burn Obi Wan alive in revenge for Mustafar was probably the most brutal scene I’ve ever seen in Star Wars. I can’t believe people didn’t like this show.
People can defend Disney's carelessness as much as they want with increasingly convoluted lore justifications that require Olympic-tier mental gymnastics, but the fact remains that with a very few exceptions, the lightsaber wielders in Disney's movies and shows handle their weapons like rank amateurs.
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I know that Obi Wan wasnt prepared for the fight and everything but he looked like he updated his combat skills to 'sequel' edition😂
he wasn't even prepared dude
@@dylanrinker6831 i said i know that he wasnt prepared🤦♂️
Instead of being called Ben, Should be Referred to as Rusty Since He took a Massive L from Vader in this Skirmish oooooohhhhhh his(Lord Vader), Blood was Boiling hotter than Mustafarian Lava in this Duel "I Am What You Made me" His(Obi-Wan) Skills are Similar to what a Former Fighter would Be.
So... The leak was real....
Gas leak underground that is...
Chad Darth Vader: Peek A boo! I see you!
Kenobi: Leave me alone!
Vader: Understandable have a good day.
I know he’s cut himself off from the force so badly that he doesn’t hold a candle to Vader. I think he will have a flashback next epsiode and finally learn to commune with Qui-gon and then he’ll be back to epsiode 3 form. Remember in just 4 years he one shots Darth Maul.
Dude was in a full anxiety and ptsd attack and was completely unprepared. You can see him panicking not even using his form 3 or any form of Sabre combat
Ben was definitely in survival mode
Obi-Wan was depressed seeing his student like that, depressed at the failure of the Jedi, and hasn’t used the force in a long time. Comparatively speaking Vader was at his highest power level, full of rage and hate for his fate and for Padime’s death.
Dude was scared af because he just found out that his former apprentice is now a walking death machine. Kenobi was a strong Jedi master and went through a lot, but he can't tolerate this. Vader is a living nightmare for him.
@@paolopesare3566 Agreed but in A New Hope he is clearly more wise and accepting of his failure. He could beat Vader in A New Hope but then chooses to let Luke have this chance for himself. It's further proved by Maul's defeat in 3 moves by Ben.
@@ranvirmalhi4850 I agree, in fact, I believe this series is meant to show us the transition from PTSD Kenobi to the wise master we met in the original trilogy.
This is one of the most evil Vaders of all. He doesn't even want to kill him. He would rather watch him suffer again and again and again. Imagine suffering from extreme pain and fear and that is happening again and again.
If the droid and the woman didnt show up he would probably cut his legs and arms off
@@bobafettstudios420 not just that but the women and children too
More like watch him suffer minor degrees haha I was sorts surprised he even pulled him out
@@bobafettstudios420 Much worse
@@psychoticdaizyproductions569 Fire burns off nerves thy can feel pain. He wants Obi Wan to feel his torture. He only pulled him out so he can feel what Vader does next. After he’s done I’m betting he’d throw in back in the fire
"Now you will suffer... Obi-Wan. Your pain... has just... begun..."
There you can see that Anakin has lost his mother, his wife, his child, his body, his limbs, and lives in pain every day for the last ten years. And he blames Ob-Wan for all of it.
Its ok because “he’s sorry for all of it” 😂
Vader is to blame for alot of his pain, but Anakins death was straight up Obiwans fault 😂 he couldve rescued her or allowed Anakin to rescue her but he didnt...
Both of his kids are alive tho
@@markcjohnson7792 at this point he is not even aware they are alive, not for many more years
@@markcjohnson7792 he does not know that. He does not know they were born to begin with. He just knows Padme was pregnant and then she died.
Obi Wan in Episode I: “You will be a Jedi I promise”
Vader in Obi Wan Kenobi: “I’am what you made me”
xd
rather depressing that he also had a part in making into a Sith
@@joshthaller4754 That was Palpatine's doing
i like how obi wan told leia the force is the light in the dark but then when he's alone in the dark facing vader he turns his lightsaber on because he's "scared" of the dark which implies he lost almost all connection to the force
This duel looked like it took place on a Construction site at night outside of Las Vegas! 😂
Quarry outside of LA actually. Close guess 😂👍
It was a quarry in Derby UK, pretty close to me and all the locals were complaining about the noise for months
@@DevGames-AoD the noise of darth vader breathing I wouldn’t blame them 🤣🤣🤣
It works though
It may have
I love the part at 1:14. Instead of having Vader enter the scene by suddenly attacking him.. he casually strolls in to demonstrate the inevitability of him finding Obiwan
Vader likes toying with his preys
Yeah I think Ani’s still upset about the whole Mustafar thing 😂
Maybe just a bit annoyed
@@Chief24914 Not annoyed. He’s definitely angry. I mean, who wouldn’t?
Just a little bit right?
Personally I'd say he's overreacting. I mean who hasn’t dismembered a former friend and left them to burn alive once or twice?
What do you mean? 😄
I love how slow Vader’s blade ignites at 0:17 and how quick Obi Wan’s blade ignites at 0:53 because it shows how calm Vader is compared to how terrified Obi Wan is
Both ignitions look cool though
That’s why Vader won this fight because he was calm and collective unlike the second one where he lost
@@TheUnknown-yx8zc So who would win if both of them was calm and collected?
@@hidan407 prob Vader
I don’t think “calm” is the right word.
Luke can find good in this man but can’t find it in his nephew
Shhhhht
Star Wars 7 8 and 9 doesnt exist
@@hestan723 7 is not bad tho
That “Luke” isn’t cannon and never will be.
Shut up he said it himself it was just a moment of weakness
@@ryanm666 i agree but the two other ruined the story
Honestly it's really interesting to see how the two interact in Kenobi compared to Episode IV. Here, Kenobi's panicky and genuinely terrified, still lost after the fall of the Republic. Vader has harnessed his anger, his rage, his obsession with Kenobi and converted it into power, and it shows. Then there's Episode IV, where Kenobi has long since accepted whatever his future may be while Vader... hadn't changed one bit. he was still vengeful, still obsessed over Obi-Wan, and that was the difference. One had managed to move on, and the other had not. Vader didn't even get the satisfaction of seeing Kenobi's corpse, nor the satisfaction of truly beating his master and redeeming his previous loss because Kenobi had chose to die there instead of killed. He really did become more powerful than Vader could imagine, because Vader lost in both spirit and mind when he struck him down. No satisfaction, no vengeance, no corpse. All that was left of his vengeance and obsession was a robe and a lightsaber.
Brilliant way of putting it!
Love this analysis
Beyond that it showed Vader that he couldn’t attain what all truly wanted from his path: immortality.
It’s likely Kenobi retrained again and restored enough of his Force power back by his old age and of course Rebels reveals he could hold his own quite well after some re training.
Damn Bruh that's deep
This hits even harder for Obi-Wan when you think he’s realizing right now what has been told to us by Lucas since the movies came out: that Darth Vader is the combination of all the villains of the Prequels. Adding up to the trauma of knowing this monster is actually Anakin, Obi is also most likely seeing in him the “ghosts” of Maul, Dooku and Grievous. And all the pain and fear he endured at their hands is coming back to haunt him.
I don't know if that so much is coming back to haunt him or if it is more the fact that Obi-Wan feels the weight of all the atrocities the empire has committed or that he can imagine that the empire has committed because he wouldn't finish the job on mustafar. He has the guilt knowing that whatever terror Vader has unleashed on the Galaxy is his fault for not ending him when he had the chance.
Lol shut up dorks
The hateful and vengeful warrior
The fallen hero
The mechanical masked monster
@@jameshaggerty8348 Maul had his legs cut off
Dooku had his hands cut off
Grievous was burned
Vader got all three
@@MariOmor1 very poetic as well
I feel so sorry for Obi Wan, seeing how far his former apprentice had fallen, as well as himself. This battle hit hard for him
Yep
Yeah man
Well i don't blame Anakin for his actions either
The Jedi order not trusting him is the biggest reason for him to turn to the darkside.
It's crazy because Vader at this point is supposed to be several times weaker than Anakin. He is fighting against a man with no limbs bound in a torture suit lined with spikes and is still losing. The pure aura of pain and suffering is engulfing them both that it literally brings down Obi-wan down to Vader's level.
Obi Wan while certainly hasn’t suffered as much as Anakin, has suffered so much over the years, he witnessed his master Qui Gon, the only father figure in his life and Satine the love of his life die in his arms both murdered by his old rival Maul and yet he gave him a respectful end. He was also forced to chop down his brother’s limbs and to watch him immolate in the fiery lava of Mustafar and constantly suffer and live in regret for the rest of his life until only he realised that this all was never about him and he had to become one with the force in order for the next generation of Jedi to rise. Man am I surprised that he never gave in to the dark side, this man’s epic.
@@SJ-yf9xy And don't forget it was Palpatine's doing by manipulating and being a 'father figure' to Anakin when he was a kid
This the most brutal scene of vader ever scene on screen, straight up killing people, haunting and tortures obi wan, man the rage anakin felt on mustafar still burns years later.
Anakin is dead. There’s only Vader now.
@@multiverse_media2023 No, Anakin is still there. Anakin let Obiwan live, there is good in him.
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That’s not what I see.
@@jeiyo660 He didn’t let him live out of the goodness of his heart. He wants him to suffer. He was getting ready to have a trooper restrain him so he could bring him somewhere to slowly torture him to death. It’s his own obsession with getting even instead of getting the job done that allows Obi Wan to live
That's rage baby! Got an ex wife? You'll get it.
Think about this through Kenobi’s eyes. The last time he saw him, Anakin was still freshly anointed by the dark side. His brother still wore Jedi robes, carried a sky-blue lightsaber, and his eyes weren’t even yellow. He was only a fallen Jedi; an angry, grieving emo. But now, he is fully transformed into a dark obelisk of power. His lightsaber blood-red. His breathing haunting, and a terrifying new voice. And it is all hitting Kenobi full-force.
It gives new meaning when his eyes look him up and down, having changed so greatly. “What have you become?”
wait wait wait! someone explain to me what happens to the jedi or one trained in the forces body when they go to the dark side? does it truly make their appearance change? I remember and yes we can hate them later episodes but Han solos son he seemed to look normal without the crazy effects like Palpatine was. I know Palpatine was way older and Darth maul well let's be honest he just looked badass! but seriously does it really change the body when you are a certain type of way with the force?
@@Josh-py9rqdepending on how far they engulf themselves in their hate and anger it can go from simply yellow eyes to full on deformation of the body.
@@Josh-py9rqIn Legends, when Witches of Dathomir use the dark side, they burst blood vessels on their faces, making them look horrific
“Your powers are weak, old man.”
Seriously, this is amazing. The poetry of Obi-wan, already struggling with guilt over Anakin, now running from Vader.
I love how brutal this was. The thirst for revenge and the toying with Kenobi. Trying to give him the same fate as Anakin was given on Mustafar.
It was awesome. I can’t wait to see their final fight!
@@S0L12D3 What do u mean? Their final fight happens in Episode 4, or do u mean in the obi wan series?
@@mrstupiduniverse731c yes in the series. Where obi will come back strong and the words of vader in episode 4 will still make sense. “When I left you last I was but the learner, now I am the master”
lol he just runs off behind that hill in the beginning and Vader just standing there like ''uhh dude I can see you'' who wrote this crap? and secondly what happened to "last time we met I was but a learner, now I am the master” so it retconned the original movie.. Old Obi Wan would be all like ''what? last time we met what about all the times in between?'' becaulse this show is written by idiots who didn't even watch the OG.
brutal? huh? maybe you mean .. it is brutal to watch such crappy choreographed fight? haha
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"You should have killed me when you had the chance" sounds like Vader really wanted to die on Mustafar
Better to be dead than live with what he has now
There’s no one Vader hates more than himself.
@@gamestation2690 besides Palpatine on certain days at least
It’s like a threat. It also reminded me of when thanos said “you should’ve aimed for the head”
either that or he just wanted to let Obi Wan know that he made him the monster he became and not killing him outright was just another one of Obi-Wan's failures.
I like how this came out, Vadar comes in expecting a duel like in ROTS but is surprised he ran away. At that point he figured out that Kenobi fears him and does not even bother to put much effort in fighting. At the end he has an idea of what’s been going on with Kenobi and let’s him go. He knows he will be haunted by him for the rest of of his life. As much as I like to see Vadar playing with Kenobi I think I can speak for all that we wanted more, but this is good enough for me.
And then we got the beauty in episode 6
Fr. Vader didnt expect an Obi Wan who just runs away from his problems. He expected the Obi wan that had the balls to jump in a room full of battle droids, and challenge Grievous right in the heart of enemy territory. He expected the Obi wan who had been making Maul his bitch his entire life. U could tell he was disappointed
Out of curiosity what did you think of the episode 6 duel?
This series should never have been made. It was just another Disney nostalgia $$$ grab. The story expands nothing, changes nothing and brings nothing new to the table because it can't.
And I love how Obi-Wan finally accepts whatever responsibility he had for making Vader Vader(I know it was still Anakins choices to become evil)and entrusts his own fate in the Force as well as Luke's and then as a result, he is able to not only absolutely destroy Vader bad enough to Crack the Vader personality and allow Anakin to briefly reach out, but tap into a level of Jedi power that at that point not many, possibly anyone, had seen or were told it was a fairy tale
“I am what you made me”.
That line hits so hard when considering Anakin’s past and the events of Mustafar. It also helps to reinforce the sense for Kennobi that he failed his padawan and in doing so helped create Darth Vader.
Yep and even sadder when in the finale, Obi-Wan briefly gets Anakin to appear who reassures him that his own downfall was his own doing, and not Obi-Wan's.
Darth Vader wasn’t referring to his turn to the Dark Side.
He was talking about how Obi-Wan destroyed his body and forced him on mechanical lifesupport.
This is pretty much reinforced later on when Vader tells Obi-Wan he is not responsible for his turn.
I agree
In the minute 3:50 obi wan screams the same way Anakin did when he was burning
I’m not an Obi-wan apologist. He created Darth Vader.
“What have you become?”
“I am…what you made me”
Made my spine shiver
I thought it was a tad lame
@@Krushtykon me too.....
@@Krushtykon I'm glad there still are some real SW fans to call this disgusting nonsense for what it is, an abomination that Disney created, destroying characters, story and everything else...
@@arbur4746 "Real Star Wars fan" my ass....
Me too my friend... me too. The hair on the back of my neck was standing up
“I am what you made me”
chills
When Vader says “I am what you made me” at 1:30 you can hear Anakin’s inflection in his voice
From 4:37 and onward, the Vader we see from there isn’t Vader (figuratively), it’s Anakin. Which is why he lets Obi wan go because Vader is still dealing with conflict between the light and the dark side. Which is also why Palpatine pointed out that perhaps Vader’s feelings for his old master have weakened him at the end of episode 6
Great take! My take is that he is so shocked by how bad obi wan is that he lets him go out of pity. What sort of revenge is a revenge on a shell of the person who hurt you.
You’re both right but I also think Vader also wanted obi-Wan At his best think about it at first he wanted to torture him but after that fire it’s almost as if he wanted Obi-Wan to regain his former strength he wants to prove that he’s more powerful than ever especially after basically creating him him and nobody this time was going to stop you.
I think he was staring into the fire and actually thinking about what obi wan said "what have you become"
Obi Wan was not ready for this fight. Vader was out for blood.
Yep
Obi wan has gotta prepare for the next meeting
Maybe with qui gon??
Nah, Vader didn't even wana kill him, he just wanted to make obi wan suffer.
True. He’s scarier than Darth Maul and Nihelous and that’s saying a lot
And food. Particularly roasted Stewjon meat
I love how Vader lets his hatred seethe. Bubbling up inside him, giving more fuel for his power. He knows that finding Obi-Wan is critical, however he also knows that as a sith, he needs an obsession, am ambition to reignite his hatred.
And Ben is an unlimited supply of obsession.
Until Vader kills him
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Ben's death was what marked the return of Anakin. Now that he was dead, Vader no longer had an obsession and began to come to terms with the fact that it was really Palpatine's fault as shown in comics taking place after ep 5. Then his son comes to confront him and save him while only showing love for him.
@@ranvirmalhi4850 right
there is nothing to LOVE about this abomination, there is nothing to love about what Disney did to Star Wars and it's characters and story!!! NOTHING!!! if you call yourself a SW fan that is...
Honestly Obi Wan has a right to be scared more than anyone.
Indeed but the writers should have had him cut himself off from the force
I like how that’s the first time Obi-Wan activates his lightsaber since Knightfall, and it’s not even because he wants to. He ignited it purely because he feels fear, because Vader terrifies him.
I think in the next episode, obi wan will realize that being a Jedi again is the best way to protect Luke from Vader, and we will see him begin to practice with the saber again
And Leia
YES! He will train again and then they will and it will be amazing
Just like Rocky when he trains and comes back strong also a talk with Adrian as well
i swear vader gets all the coolest lines in star wars. absolutely incredible
"your pain has just begun" the most brutal thing to hear your old friend say
Realistically obi wan is very weak at the moment because he hasn’t used the force much in a very long time and also hasn’t used his lightsaber in a long time either
Yeah
I believe that is pretty obvious.
Not using the force I understand but not practicing Saber skills? Maybe he thought Vader was dead so he didn't think he needed to use a Saber? Idk very confusing to me. That's like a military solider being stranded in enemy territory and then decides to become a chef at one of their restaurants for years never picking up a gun or practicing and then the enemy finds out who he is and he has to fight his way out with nothing but kitchen knives and pans, that would be one dead soldier.
@@hiro7489 He buried his lightsaber in the middle of the dessert, which means he thought he'd never use it again. Remember this obi-wan had been depressed for over 10 years, the mental pain alone is enough to weaken even the strongest soldier.
He means the he is the master now. Wow.
Seeing Obi-Wan running away from a fight showed just how broken he was, he was no longer the master, he was the survivor. The callback to Anakin burning was so damn brutal. Shits about to go down. I love how much power is in every saber strike from Vader, this is gonna be an epic series and it already is.
Someone need to read closely to my comment that exactly what I say obi wan really was not trying to fight hell he even was not even not use one percent of his force power
@@xanatoselite6078 you’re right about that
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Likely Vader knew it too because notice during that little altercation, Vader was using just one hand. Anyone who's seen Empire Strikes Back knows that one-handed wielding Vader means that he's just toying with you.
I think Vader wants to spark that fire in Kenobi, he wants to face the man who defeated him on Must/far not this broken down shell of himself
The fire reflecting in the eyes of Vader's helmet is really creepy but also brilliant foreshadowing. This whole first fight just gave me shivers seeing Vader in his prime. Pure uncompromised rage & hatred!
I think he’s still mad about Obi-Wan leaving him in the lava
Fire*
@@JordanPooIe That too
I love how Vader doesn't even gloat to Obi-Wan that he is stronger now or waxing on about the power of the dark side, instead hitting straight against Obi-Wan and burning into him how it is he who turned him into more machine than man.
When Vader put Obiwan into the fire 👀 I couldn’t believe that. He could of easily killed him right there but Vader wanted to make him suffer first so he was just toying with Obiwan
Vader would not have been that much stronger than Obi-Wan there’s just no way. They’re putting Vader on too high of a pedestal and making Obi-wan look weak and sloppy they done the same thing with Luke. For some reason Disney loves making a mockery of old white Jedi lol. For like 15 years now I wanted to see what it would look like if Vader and Obi-Wan met up during this time period but Disney kinda just ruined it for me. Looks like something in a fan film
@@jasonhamm2188 I mean Obi-Wan hasn’t used the force or his lightsaber for ten years, he’s obviously still gonna be weak and rusty. I mean look at how long it took him to grab Leia and how hard he had to focus. He’s not the same.
@@jasonhamm2188 Obi-Wan is seriously rusty right now. Later on, he beats Vader in the show. Him beating Vader later would further explain as to how he was able to kill Maul in 3 moves during Rebels. Ben was stated to be able to best Vader in A New Hope but Obi-Wan wants Luke to have the opportunity to grow.
Stewjon pizza cooked on open fire
@@vindictivegrind9370 Lmao
I love how in this scene Obi wan not only looks old, but also extremely ragged, whereas in the last fight he has with Vader in the finale, which is a far more intense fight, he looks completely put together and collected. For Obi wan to have beat Vader at that point, I think it really shows how ridiculously powerful Obi wan actually was at this stage of his life, and more than that, for him to have gained all that power back over just a few days is just insane, I love it
And in a sense Anakin/Vader is the one who pushed Obi-Wan to regain His fighting spirit
@@texasgent4694
That's a great observation.
Vader was disappointed that Kenobi was essentially a shell of his former self in this fight.
He could have easily killed him if he wanted to, but it wouldn't have given him any satisfaction.
Not surprising at all that he let him go, he wanted to defeat the version of Kenobi that had bested him on Mustafar.
It’s too easy to please you people
God I hate Disney Star Wars your telling me Anakin becomes engulfed in flames and permanently damages his body just by being near a stream of lava but somehow Obi-Wan walks off this 3:40 without any major repercussions 🤦♂️
Isn't lava much hotter than other fiery ignitions?
Dude, that was on Mustafar, where it’s 20X hotter there, plus Anakin had lost 3/4 of his limbs.
Vader’s power in this scene is just unreal. He is basically toying with obi. The power of his lightsaber swings. Love this series so far! Can’t wait for the rematch
Yeah and the one handed strikes against Obi Wan’s two handed grip shows how powerful Vader is and how much weaker with the force Obi Wan has become
Bro he goes "ugh oh agh" while doing the worst choreography I've seen. They're both morons here.
His cyborg enhancements might be the bad in terns of quality, but they still give him a massive strength boost. Not to mention he is still pretty pissed after getting his other limbs chopped off, his skin burns, and his final limbs also suffers a heavy burns.
It honestly reminds me of cal kestis in fallen order he knew he couldn't fight him all he could do was run for his life 🤣🤣
Toying with him? What a stupid excuse for bad writing.
Can we bust notice that Vader didn't use any form of combat? He knows that Kenobi didn't train for a long time, he justtortured him without using any fighting style, just brutally attacks him
I actually like how sloppy obi wan is. He can't accept that this is anakin and doesn't know how to react
Vader probably expected an Episode III Kenobi or stronger since it's been years. But nah, Kenobi thought that Anakin died and buried the lightsabers and never used the force and focused on looking over Luke.
I'm so glad that they got Hayden to play Vader physically and him Uwen are fighting again they have history just like the characters
I heard its not Hayden in these scenes. It’s Tom O’Connell. Hayden plays the scenes where you see vaders face
@@seeseees2798 I heard that he is behind the suit, since he talked about wearing it.
@@seeseees2798 lol you heard it wrong. That's Hayden.
@@WhatDoYouWant92 look at the height difference. Ewan and Hayden are the same height. Vader has a solid 5-7 inches on him. Maybe Hayden will play him in future scenes but I heard a majority of the duel scenes are played by someone else
i personally believe vader didn’t extinguish the fire again and go after him because he wants to fight obi wan in his peak and not some weak man
I think its so he can relish in his fear.
@@voraaphran6075 he’s relishing in mine.
@@voraaphran6075 I think all of these answers are correct equally.
Of course Vader wants to see how much stronger he has grown with the dark side of the force
That and maybe he wanted to find out who Obi-Wan was allied with and destroy them all
0:52 the sound of his lightsaber igniting gives me chills
3:40
Vader: Stings, doesn’t it!?
Look at little kenobi jr, gonna cry?
Even with the mask on you can tell this is the angriest Vader put to screen, just how intent he was to cause obi wan the same pain he blames him for , compared to most other missions he's done this one was the most personal he's dealt with and most likely the strongest he's been in the dark side
Lord Vader is so brutal in this episode
If the woman and the droid didnt came obi wan wouldnt have his legs arms and hair😂🤦♂️
The Years have make you weak. Best line ever.
It always makes me wonder what Vader was planning to do with Obi Wan after his capture. Yeah, torture seems like a valid option, but Darth claimed at the end of the series that he killed Anakin Skywalker and wanted to do the same to Obi Wan. I honestly think his objective was to turn him to the Dark Side. If not through torture, then through threatening his loved ones.
No, it was to kill him. He failed because he sucks
Obi can't believe how powerful Vader's strikes are. Good acting. His face is like WTF???? He can hit hard AF? The dark side made him hit hard AF. He looks like nobody hits saber to saber with that much strength.
Haha yeah the look on obi-wans face says it all xD
He's also got mechanical limbs. That helps.
Reminds me of Rebels. Vader is like an angry glacier. Slow inevitable but filled with with precise attacks. He can't afford to waste movement anymore. The flashy duels of his youth are gone with his limbs.
“I am what you made me” hits hard in both the physical sense (Anakin being maimed and burned and needing the suit) and well..*gestures at Vader during the episode*
"Is that truly my Old Master Obi-Wan Kenobi? The one who trained me, fought with me, sided with the jedi, and made me lose everything including a few limbs? He doesn't even use the High Ground!"
“There are some things far more frightening than death”
Obi Wan didn’t want the smoke with Vader. He knew he wasn’t ready for this.
“You can kill me, but you will never destroy me.” - Obi Wan
"It Takes Strength to Resist the Dark Side, Only the Weak Embrace it"
~Obi-Wan Kenobi~
The fight choreography in this show is laughable. Ewan and Hayden deserved better
Vader is looking to get revenge, in the most grueling and sadistic way possible.
I want more Ben trying to get through to Anakin dialogue.
Series has been outstanding so far.
If he couldn’t do it on Mustafar then he can’t do it now.
@@conn_man_249 Yeah but in Return of the Jedi he said “Obi Wan once thought as you do” when speaking to Luke about how he sees good in him still. It would lend more credence to that line if he at least tried in this show.
I hope he gets to talk to him later, to say sorry and try to get through to Anakin under the helmat.
@@naughtybethesda1954 it would also lend more context to their duel in episode IV which is filled with a lot less hatred, would make sense if kenobi was able to get through to him a little
@@naughtybethesda1954 Obi-Wan clearly says goodbye to Anakin in ROTS, and praises him. The next time they meet, he is talking to Vader on Mustafar, though he calls him Anakin.
It's made pretty clear on Mustafar that Obi-Wan chooses principle over loyalty. It's Anakin and Luke who have loyalty to people over principle. Lucas wrote all this to fit with the OT. The problem is that some people want to take figures of speech in dialogue over who the characters are and the actions they take.
This show is waste of time, IMO.
it's got all the typical bad guy dialogue and hollywood tropes 10/10
0:18 when you see that red blade you know your not walking away alive or unscathed
It's truly sad, that Obi-Wan has to come back to his Jedi life, he was done with everything after Order 66, after Anakin turned to the dark side, and he never uses the force for a decade or holding a lightsaber.
Funny how recluse Obi Wan in ANH and Yoda in ESB, despite hiding away from the force for decades, have no problem using the force multiple times in those movies. Maybe this is a force rule that just affects Disney Wars.
@@phonepunk7888 i mean a new hope takes place 9 years after this series, so i think there's more happened during the 9 year gap
Obi wan better be off to mountains like Batman after that ass whooping
1:04 Love that tense use of the Force theme in the score, taking it back to its roots as Obi-Wan's original theme.
"When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master. ...Oh, except for that other time a couple years ago where I basically curb stomped you. I was the master then too."
I think in their next fight vader is gonna be caught by surprise when kenobi gets himself back into form and learn from his mistakes in the next fight and carefully devise a method to beat him for a new hope.
Yeah, but they are going to re-edit A New Hope just to change that line.
*So instead of "The circle is now complete." in Episode IV, it should be "The figure 8 is now complete."*
"When I left you I was but the master, now I am the master... again!"
Vader probably gonna get schooled again in the finale
Figure 8's just two circles.
@@Elvisbackpack *Yes. TWO circles.*
Obi Wan yelling in pain sounds sorta like Anakin was yelling when they faced each other on Mustafar.
I love how he ignites the fire, then puts the fire out, but then immediately cannot put the fire out again when she ignites it.
Because he doesn't really care. If he wanted to he would use the force to stop that robot ect ect
He realized Obi-Wan had allies. In that moment he decided that it would be smart to let him regroup with his allies so he could take them all out. Smart move because it worked but then he let his feelings cloud his judgment in the last episode.
@@dylanm6335 lmao ok, or it’s just bad writing
@@DevsateMe “lmao ok” or they literally wrote it to show he let them take him, and somehow it went over your head
@@DevsateMe
Hayden literally stated that Vader let him go.
James Earl Jones is intrinsic to the haunting character of Vader. At 91 years old, he’s still got it! Just bittersweet that this may be one of his final performances as the character.
He doesn't still got it :p
They used an AI With the a company called Respeecher. JEJ Sounds alot deeper like in rogue one
Ah interesting, I thought he sounded a little better than in Rogue One. Still won’t be the same without him.
It made sense why Vader let him escape because he’s not satisfied with the fight, he’s fighting “Ben” not obi wan kenobi
So much for "when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master."
That was my first thought too. Vader and Obi-Wan shouldn’t have seen each other at all until Episode 4.
@@BruceWayne-fj9bm agreed
I think obi wan will be full power again by episode 6 of the series. They teased him being more powerful than ever. I have a feeling after this meeting his ass starts training
@@uninformedopinion1668 he will meet qui gon force ghost soon and he will remember his strength watch
@@loganmitchell7498 I second that, it's Disney so I expect cookie cutter content, that's like their "Jedi path 101" get your ass whooped, consult your master, beat the enemy
This fight felt so scary and realistic, the instant fear plus 10 years of hiding and suffering unbearable sadness, gulit, despair and not using the force or lightsaber has rusted almost all of Obi-Wan’s knowledge and skills to properly defend himself while Anakin/Vader was busy getting stronger thanks to his wrathful hatred for Obi-Wan and desire to find and get revenge on him. at that point all Obi-Wan could do is do what Cal did in Fallen Order, run and pray that he would be able to find some way to hold Anakin/Vader back long enough to escape
"Realistic"
"Vader's so mad"
"Should have killed me when you had the chance"
The show and this scene didn't follow up on any of these things. Oh no the fire stops me from getting Obi, looks like he got away. Disney is just killing it.
@@cefb8923 Because it is.
Even as a guy who dislikes the sequel trilogy, it makes sense. Vader is out for blood right now.
@@cefb8923 🤡
are you kidding? this scene was comedic at best 😂
2:51 I think he forgot he’s got a giant glow stick
No one can ever voice vader than The Legend James Earls Jones 🙏🏼🤙
Although he’s not gonna live forever.
He's 91 years old and still sounds amazing!
This is AI assisted lol. It's mostly a computer mixed with Hayden Christensen lol
At least they put his voice no one elses
@@cesarvictorino8624 James Earl Jones actually sol his voice to Lucasfilm for the AI they used in this show. So, even though he’ll be gone, he’ll always be Darth Vader
Vader could have just force pulled Obi to himself instead of waiting for the noob stormtroopers lmao
3:23 At first I was wondering what Vader was waiting for, but then I saw him start to lean down and gasped. These moments of brilliance in Kenobi.
All Obi Wan sees in that brief moment of dialogue in Vader's chest panel coming out of the darkness... Seeing Anakin in that suit, knowing who is beneath the mask paralyses Obi Wan; the fear in Obi's face tells the whole story. This is what he made Anakin into, this is what failing Anakin did. He is, just as Anakin is, responsible for the birth of the monster before him.
Believe me this won't be the only confrontation between these 2 in this series
I'm pretty sure they will fight again in last episode on mustafar again
He just runs off behind that hill in the beginning and Vader just standing there like ''uhh dude I can see you'' who wrote this crap? and secondly what happened to "last time we met I was but a learner, now I am the master” so it retconned the original movie.. Old Obi Wan would be all like ''what? last time we met what about all the times in between?'' becaulse this show is written by idiots who didn't even watch the OG.
I had always wondered what a conversation pre a new hope would be like and it did not disappoint. “ what have you become?” I am what you made me. I’m glad they didn’t have him just charge him he drew him out and made him vulnerable and then toyed with him the second half of this episode felt like a horror movie and I loved it.
Right?! I was telling my wife that lol. I was like the horror movies are garbage but this really set the tone of true fear it’s like everyone start taking notes.
James Earle’s voice is just music to the fucking ears…. What an iconic voice. Poor obi😩 give my boy a break Vader.
This felt like a fan-film rather than a high production tv series. Such a shame.
I mean, thats just your opinion man. Not a very popular one at that.
@@The_Ostrich .... Of course it's an opinion. It is quite a popular one. Didn't you hear the uproar when this aired?
@@Calactic
From a bunch of immature 15 year old kids maybe, yeah.
@@The_Ostrich Ah, so now you're saying people who criticized the show are now immature 15 year olds. Than in of itself is behaviour akin to that of a childs, the irony in your statement is laughable.
A considerable number of adults criticized the show for this. Both the critics and general audience. That is an objective truth. No need to jump to infantile assumptions and embarrass yourself.
@@Calactic
Cry about it, minimum wage citizen.
I wonder if vader had any conflicts within him the whole time he had the suit, or was he still a just lil bit upset from the whole limb cutting and body burning he went through lol.
He does. Right when the Stormtroopers start firing back as he stares on, he regrets lighting the ground on fire and wishes he just took Obi Wan in for torture
@@jayday187 If Vader wanted to take Obi Wan he would have. He let him go on purpose. Why? I have no idea. Hopefully we will find out soon.
@@Mrpedr092 probably paralyzed with PTSD from the fire since, you know, he got burned on Mustafar
@@Mrpedr092 my bet is that he realizes deep down that Obi Wan would be haunted by him anyway. Finding him again wouldn't be difficult, but he's hoping to either torment his former master mentally or wait till he's more worth killing. As of now kenobi is barely even a shell of his old self
@@nitrosix3206 100% agree. Great take on it
“You can not run, Obi-Wan.” That is the most menacing Darth Vader ever! I’m so happy they brought old James Earl Jones back.
His voice sounds closer to the original trilogy here than in rogue one. I think his voice may have been de aged
@@tylerhastings2766 it has.
@@tylerhastings2766 iirc Jones was sick when he voice dubbed Vader during Rogue One.
@@tylerhastings2766 it's AI assisted. You're mostly hearing a computer with the occasional bits and pieces of Hayden Christensen tones and overlays. And for those major scenes in the finale it's almost all Christensen obviously lol
2:30 you gotta appreciate how both anakin and Luke use the tactic of just smacking the other persons lightsaber over and over
The sounds Vader makes at 2:30 are hilarious and frightening at the same time
Loved this fight!! Vader was terrifying and Obi Wan is so out of practice that he didn't stand a chance! Obi Wan being roasted in the fire was brutal!!
1:14 I like that music. It’s like anakins fall and the imperial theme mixed together.
Thank you for posting the scene in good quality🙏
So …. No one is going to talk about how Obi-Wan was dragged through fire and had no burns to his face or hair?? And how Vader put the fire out force pushing Obi away, but when the sniper relit the fire with a shot Vader just stood there and helplessly watched a droid carry Obi away then turned and left. Giving up on everything he set out to do???? Y’all defending this crap too much 🙄
This is just because in every film doesn't matter how strong is the evilness the good ones wins 🤷♂️
@@tuskun3072 Vader didn’t even know about the tracker if Third Sister didn’t tell him about it though so that’s no excuse lol
@@vladi8433 Obi is sooo good fire can’t hurt his face 👍🏽😁
He used the force
Guessing he used whatever bit of force he could to protect himself some what
“Well, well, well, how the turntables.”- Micheal Scott
I think Vader is fighting here with Ben and that's the reason in his dialogue in episode 4 he speak about the last time they met he was the learner and now he is the master, he speak in episode 4 about Obi wan and not Ben. Is like Vader and Anakin, they are in the same body but they are separated, obi wan is the jedi master and ben is just the guy trying to escape. (Sorry for my english, my real language is spanish)
Too much of a stretch
More than the lack of practice of the Force and the saber, we feel that it is the psychological locks that hinder Obi-Wan. Pain, regrets, feelings of guilt, fear of failing to protect Padmé's children... I like this extreme weakness which is very understandable. And I also like that what we see explains why Obi-Wan was sure Anakin couldn't come back: Vader is a bloodthirsty piece of shit here.
Be careful of that fire lord vader you dont want to burn your fire proof mechanical armor
Seeing Vader try to burn Obi Wan alive in revenge for Mustafar was probably the most brutal scene I’ve ever seen in Star Wars. I can’t believe people didn’t like this show.
Vader: Peace has cost you your strength, Obi-Wan. Victory has defeated you.
People can defend Disney's carelessness as much as they want with increasingly convoluted lore justifications that require Olympic-tier mental gymnastics, but the fact remains that with a very few exceptions, the lightsaber wielders in Disney's movies and shows handle their weapons like rank amateurs.
This is terrible... it's almost like a purposeful attempt to make it as bad as possible.
The shaky cam is criminal. I thought that garbage died out fifteen years ago.