Was it worth it to be an RTX 4090 early adopter?
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
- I wanted to talk about whether or not I regret being an RTX 4090 early adopter, the kind of value you get from having the absolute best money can buy, and offer a few thoughts buyers new to the ultra high end should consider
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Never seen your channel, but congrats on earning more money. Thats always a good thing. I'm still on the come up regarding that. I definitely think you get the most value out of a card when you buy one closer to when it was released/when released. That way you get to enjoy that level of performance for a longer amount of time.
When the 5090 drops, do you think you'll buy it right away? Would be sick to get a review :D
Im going to try. It will depend on availability. The last two release cycles Ive had to get pretty creative to obtain them, luckily seattle is ground zero for tech so there are enough people with companies and inside connections usually I can dig something up eventually
@@dragonsystems5973 Nice, well keep us posted around launch!
As a 4090 owner, the "Worth it" value only increases over time. Similarly to the 1080ti owners, after almost 10 years, it's still a viable card for modern gaming. I'm expecting the 4090 to do the same.
If cost is a huge factor for NOT buying a 4090, then people can always look forward to Nvidia's 70 class cards. Comparing 70 class cards to their previous generation flagship (disregard vram buffers)
RTX 2070 = Same performance as GTX 1080 Ti
RTX 3070 = Same performance as RTX 2080 Ti
RTX 4070 SUPER = Same performance as RTX 3090
To some degree. Not for me though. For me the primary value was the cutting edge factor. It is true that I will cycle the card down to my secondary build and so on with all my machines... my original 1080Ti may get retired fir one of my several 3080s at that point, but that is the card's secondary value, again, primary value for me is best of the best of the best status of the card
Gaming builders place too much emphasis on a card's "class" and not enough on performance in the games they play or think they will play. A gamer who had a 2070 and believed by default that the 3070 was the obvious upgrade is not paying attention to actual performance. The 3070 might be the right choice, but it might not be.
its power consumption kills the long term viability of the 4090.
@sinenomine4540 I think less than half of 4090 owners care about power cost... at the very least as we speak today power usage has not hit a threshold where it matters except in exceptionally high power cost regions. Plus most of the the numbers I have see suggesting that to be the case usually seem to talk about it like 24/7 usage... to be honest, I think the majority of us who can afford a 4090 are too busy to use it more that several hours a week. Between making this CZcams content, work, and playing with other parts my 4090 gets a few hours a week usage
The problem with 2xxx+ series is that newer DLSS iterations are essential for modern gaming + Tensor cores are also extremely important, the 1080ti was born in an era where ray tracing wasn't even a thing yet and when it came out very few games used it, planned obsolescence or not, the 4090 will be outdated the moment the 5000 series releases and won't keep up for more than 2 generations because games rely more and more on AI upscaling and performance enhancement over optimization as raw hardware power simply can't do the job anymore, reason why AMD GPUs are literally useless and have been for a few years now.
You said you want the best. If there was a 4090 ti for 2.000,00, being 10% faster and you knew the 5090 would come at a 6 months mark. Would you still buy it to hsve the best for these 6 months?
No. I already made a video about this. You are choosing to read into my video as literally as you can to see how far I'll push it. You appear to assume I'm an idiot here... "The Best" is something that holds value. Buying my 4090 at the start all but guaranteed me a minimum of one year at that level. And about a year in it became pretty clear that there was probably going to be no 4090 Ti... why would there be? The 4090 already thoroughly crushes everything else on the market. 6 months at "best" status, after only improving the 10% or probably less that would be expected of a 4090Ti does not carry the sane value. I clearly stated in a video dedicated to this topic just days ago, if you don't already have a 4090, it's now a bad value at market price for the limited remaining time it has at "best" status... NOW, all of that being said, I'll answer a question you didn't ask which makes wayyyy more sense. If a 4090 Ti came out and was a minimum 10% gain, would I sell my 4090 and combine that with new money to buy a 4090Ti... to which I answer 50/50, it would depend on market conditions, residual value of my 4090, ease of sale, ease of acquisition of the new part, other recent purchases, ETC ETC, I can say I would look seriously into it.
For me the sweet spot is the section right below flagship. I got a 4080super a couple weeks after launch and even though I could have afforded a 4090, I feel better about spending a good chunk less while having performance near a 4090. Maybe in the future if I start making a lot more I'll stop caring but that's where I am.
It's kinda an income thing. Technology is only expensive until you it a certain level of disposable income. Tech isn't like real money items like cars or real-estate. Buying as much tech as my little heart desires, assuming the purchases are actual useful things, not just buying to buy, I don't think I could spend much more than 10k a year, which might seem a lot to someone Making very little income, but it really isn't that much. Once you get to that level, it's like, why wouldn't you buy a 4090? Those of us into computers are actually lucky our hobby is relatively cheap, it's nothing like cars.. or photography, or travel...
Although it's worth mentioning that even at those numbers, more that half of it was a mostly one time purchase of a rather large quantity of high capacity hard drives to jump the capacity of the server running my Plex library from single digit terabytes to triple digits plus a backup
The used market didn't screw me over in 2020 so I got a "lightly" used 57xt for 370 and, at least until the AI craze started, it's been treating me good. Kinda kicking myself that I didn't trade it up for the 67xt when the miners were going crazy. Apparently my card would have sold for more than I paid, but given the craze that was going on, I wasn't keen on being left without a gpu.
I have a Red Devil 5700XT on hand right now, ill do some content with it when I get thru the other stuff im working on, it wasnt specifically on my list to get at
2080ti, 3090, and 4090 owner here. I don't have any regrets on any of those gpus.
I still use all of them regularly.
My 4090 I use a lot for 3 monitor ultrawide setup.
My power connector is fine. I always use stock but my recent power supply had a connector built in so I use that. It's cleaner looking.
No melting or heat on the cable.
I got my 4090 for $1600 in 2022 at Microcenter.
Some guy tried to tell me the only reason mine hasn't melted is cause I don't use it that much. Then he tried to tell me it is because my version of the 4090 has lower vrms or something.. finally it was I have more money than sense... because I don't use my 4090 much... be careful admitting to having all that hardware... Evil big green is out to get you..
@@dragonsystems5973 I get ya. Well, it wasn't to brag. People buy $30000 cars to drive. I buy a 4090 to game, edit, and do some AI stuff. 😊
Y’all just didn’t know of the filters and settings menu in nvidia overlay for you not only hardware tune but software tune for visual Nhancements
Amd fanboys will take whatever win they can and act like is the rule rather than the exception
@@dragonsystems5973 I designed most of the darn thing
For me personally, the performance of the 4090 in the games I play has been WELL worth it (RE2R, RE4R, Tarkov, Horizon FW, TLOU Part 1 etc. Combined with my 360hz OLED monitor, the combination of the two has been the most enjoyable experiences in gaming I've ever had. Especially revisiting old games I haven't played in a while.
Yeah... the truth is there are a lot of people complaining about the prices wh want those of us that bought a 4090 to tell them we regret it and it was not worth the money, but that just isn't the reality, most 4090 buyers, from what I have seen, will tell you it was worth every cent, and two of my close friends have them as well... honestly I think Nvidia should have positioned the card as a Titan, not just one number higher, I think it gives people a false sense of Nvidia pulling the rug out from under them ad far as affording what used to be the best... calling it a Titan would justify bring it above the standard consumer product stack
@@dragonsystems5973 Exactly. The 4090 was meant for very specific people.
@hefty8876 it reminds me of that scene on Tokyo Drift at the beginning where the America kid is talking big game and the the Japanese kid is like "it's easy to be cocky when you have no ride"
@@dragonsystems5973 🤣
IRS! He didn't pay any sales tax! Get him!
Wrong agency... I don't believe there is a national sales tax, it would it would be your state department of revenue, IF you have sales tax in your state
Actually, as I have pointed out before, I am really almost too busy to use the 4090 any more, and when I do it's to create content for this channel, since I am now being taxed on my channel income I suspect if I really wanted to pursue it the card would probably be some kind of partial tax write off, especially if I put my channel under some kind o LLC or something like that
The guy before paid the taxes I assume if it wasn’t stolen😂
@andrecouturiervasquez5953 I don't think it was stolen... I've been buying and selling locally for years, you see stolen desktops, stolen laptops, but rarely stolen components
I wasn’t really thinking it was 😊 I liked your video by the way here in Quebec,Canada I can get the 4080 super at 1400$ +15% taxes and the 4090 for 2400 +15% taxes in sure it’s work the power but I don’t have a 4k monitor and my tv is 4k 120 fps max when I play on tv is on solo slower game. I don’t think I can wait for the 50 series to come out loll but buying a 4090 is overkill for me that’s how I feel and it’s 1000$ more. But you made me think about maybe waiting for next gen I don’t think I would loll thanks for sharing
Well ppl like Dragon Systems is why the RTX 5090 is coming to consumers instead of the chips only going to the business and data center lines. So I am happy like him exist. For his want for a text bed PC they make open air cases just for that. So you can pull out and put in another part easily no matter what part it is. Be it a soldered on chip or a slotted in card much easier than in a standard computer case.
Bro, you act like I'm some tiny niche. Like go on reddit, there are a rather large number of people with 4090s... I thought the steam hardware survey showed the 4090 by itself has more market share than all of amd or something ridiculous like that
@@dragonsystems5973kind of. It is below 2 AMD integrated graphics though above any AMD GPU cards. At 30th most common GPU which is just above the first AMD GPU. Still the majority of nViida cards are above AMD on the April 2024 Steam hardware survey so saying it is above AMD isn't saying much.
@yumri4 but in general, from the 4090 down, people are generally, in large numbers choosing expensive Nvidia cards over cheaper alternatives
With 4090 itself not being I think as rare as you would expect if I was some super niche high rolling GPU buyer
you don't believe the power connector is as valid of an issue because you got the Trio X from MSI, MSI's Ventus and Trio X lineup are famous for skipping out on VRM's using 40A/45A/50A phases instead of 70A+ like most boards(granted they are high quality parts so not likely to blow, but low rated regardless) and not populating all the phases.
The entire MSI Ventus/Trio range also tend to have no or very little in the way of power slider compared to others, and a vbios on them that has a considerably lower max wattage limit.
yours will never have the power connector issue because its limited to 450W max compared to all the others 600W.
you talk about wanting the best, you don't have the best, you have a limited(but very reliable) very nice 4090.
I guess you could call it the best, because chances off it shitting the bed are extremely low compared to the others
This is ridiculous and you are clearly only saying this trying to knock me down a peg. I spent the last 20 minutes reading what several well regarded outlets had to say. This card performed within margin of error of the others... So as far as I can tell you are trying to argue that my card cannot be overclocked to hell... therefore it also cant be killed.... therefore my card is less than? That has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard. Its not really advertised as an overclockers product. If there where a group of users somewhere that where complaining their 4090s where getting lower frame rates it would be different... it was never advertised as an EVGA Kingpin card, and personally, if you are right, ill sacrifice ability to overclock for a card that... wont self destruct any day.
Only a few cards hit 600wat stock without a different vbios man. My gaming X Trio hits 530 wats stock without a bios mod.
You can use the liquid MSI bios and run 600wat easy. Dual bios too so not scary at all. Don't be shitting on something like that man. It does 600wat just fine lol
@DREAD69XI forget it, he is just trying to knock me down a peg cause I said I bought a 4090 cause it's the best so he is trying to make a big deal saying my specific 4090 isn't the best 4090
It pisses people like that off that guy's like me would dare admit to having to money to buy a 4090, and then even more that I make it out like an amount of money that is huge to them us no big deal
Yes
:) the people who can't afford a 4090 really want to hear those of us that have tell everyone how big of a mistake we made and how much we regret it... but the only ones who do are click baiters trying to capture the click of the angry people by appearing to sympathize... I will not do that. I do not regret the purchase and I will not dig up some ridiculous contrived negative side of owning a 4090 to make a video about
I like buying both AMD and Nvidia GPUs from the same gen, so buying a 4090 would be too expensive for me. Bought a 7900 xtx and a 4070 ti super, so it would be around the same price as your 4090. lol Plus, it would be overkill for my use. If you like it, then more power for you, I'm not hating.
See, this is the right attitude. There does not seem to be a lot of nuance, it's pretty clear most of these people the mentality is, 4090 most expensive geforce ever, THEREFORE it's to expensive, end of story. Why is it too expensive?? Reasons.... I can't afford a BMW M4... no car should EVER be $110,000... RIGHT??
Personally, I went with a 6950xt for 470$. Still got a top performing card, and saved a lot money.
That is not bad, most of the 6800XTs I see appear just a little north of $400, so you might as well jump a tier or two for such little difference
@@dragonsystems5973 yeah. For me I want high-end performance without spending too much.
When I was younger I was into performance cars and street racing. It was extremely expensive. PC parts are cheap compared to that hobby.
Thank you!!! Now this, ladies and gentlemen, is a guy who gets it. It seems expensive if you are a low earner, but computers are merely trinkets... after a year at my first halfway decent job I learned this, I've bought myself into boredom... which is why I put out like 3 videos a day, I'm bored and trying to share this with others
2000USD for 2 years lol.
Bought a 1080Ti at launch (2017, used it for 6 years, sold it to a relative who still plays with it to this day in 2024 with no intention to upgrade.
That is a product cycle.
btw, a 1080ti does not need a nuclear reactor to operate. it is insanity to keep such a card out of its efficiency curve.
Reading the title I expected cope and leave satisfied.
1080 Ti is still a great card, I have two of them, an ASUS STRIX I bought from a CZcamsr called Tek Syndicate a couple weeks after launch and a Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme I bought last year off Craigslist for $100.. as for $2000 for two years... that's not really accurate. While it is true my primary value in the card is the two years it spends at the top, I plan retaining it indefinitely just like my 1080Ti. I have the money to upgrade every product cycle, I understand a 4090 would be a once every five to 7 year purchase for some people... I am not one of them... where you hoping I'd tell you I regretted the purchase?
@@dragonsystems5973 considering its price and the fact that even a 4090ti craps itself in lot of titles at 4K /w max eyecandy makes the product itself unbelievably bad.
You must remember that you didn't need to worry about settings with the 1080Ti in the first 2-3 years.
@sinenomine4540 I've never had any issues... closest I've seen was performance issues with Jedi Survivor at high settings levels, and I have seen nothing to suggest that was the 4090s fault. Sorry, but to all the haters, hate to tell you, but I e had nothing but smooth sailing, no performance problems, no melting connector... come to think of it, I haven't had any stability issues with my 13900k either
@@dragonsystems5973 No issues due to no usage. :D
You are a textbook example of more money than brains.
It's ok if you want to fill the void in your life with pointless and worthless tech crap. Lots of people do it.
@@sinenomine4540 you know, I find it interesting that you focused on the face I don’t use it much and failed to notice how often I handle the card, which matters because it appears a good chunk of the problem is handling related. Second, just because I don’t use it as much as YOU think I should does not mean I’m stupid… sorry but generally the more toys you can afford the less time you tend to have to use them…
Yes , you have the best hardware and … the best ai assisted software
That was kinda the point of buying a 4090, was it not?
I don't think $2000 is the most people will pay for a GPU. If a person bought a 4090 for $2000 without batting an eye because he or she had to have the best, it follows that he or she would have batted that eye and paid $3000 for the same reason. Nvidia knows that market exists, and that's why the 5090 (assuming it tests out at least 20% above the 4090) will start at between $2300 and $2500 but will be hard to find at legit retailers and will actually sell for $3000 or more. I bought a 1080Ti and a 2080Ti shortly after their respective launch dates, at or below MSRP, and I still use the 1080Ti. I'd still be using the 2080Ti if it were working, but it isn't. I have no interest in tracing any rays or paths, so I'll be gaming my 7900XTX for the next couple of years at least.
funnily you can't even max out a lot of games on a 4090Ti with RT on.
@@sinenomine4540 That might be because there is no 4090Ti.
Dude, you think you are soo clever, but you arent. I was around when Crysis came out, it was the hottest title on the planet. Everyone wanted to run Crysis. It was YEARS before the fastest cards could run it as it was intended to be, and even then you usually had to have two of them to do it. Even soo, the 4090 gets a lot closer to maxing even the forward looking games of today than the a pair of 8800GTXs in SLI did back then, so you have literally no point.You kids... To quote Battlestar Galactica "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again"
@@dragonsystems5973 Apparently I'm not clever enough to sort out how running Crysis in SLI has anything to do with my original post, which was about how much people will pay for the privilege of having the best GPU. Would you mind enlightening me?
@@rangersmith4652 Im pointing out that the situation has been the same for almost multiple decades. your argument appears to be that the 4090 is some kind of rip off because there are a few games that cannot run 100% max. What I am saying is... SO WHAT? back when "can it run Crysis" was coined, neither could the most expensive cards of the day run that title flat out either, and that was if you had two of the things, which by the way was like $1300 for a pair, which I believe is in fact more expensive than a 4090 once you account for inflation.
do what you want
Im gonna do what I want... cause I always do what I want....
Its never "worth it" to spend over 700-800 bucks on a gpu. You never really need that much power, but if you have the money and don't mind wasting it for an extra 2-3% improvement, go ahead 👌
I know you think this sounds clever, but it is factually wrong. I would agree with you, $2000, or even $1599 if you got a base model at MSRP would be a waste of money for two or three percent performance. That simply is not the case. Over and over the 4090 crushes other cards. Is it true there are some cherry picked benchmarks where it scores dead even to a 7900XTX? yeah, for every product lifecycle that happens, but that is the exception, not the rule, the 7900XTX and RTX 4090 are not "trading Blows" There is nothing wrong with buying a lesser card, it is a lot of money, but almost every review I have seen has said A. The 4090 costs a ton of money, and B. The 4090 is worth every cent. Furthermore, Nvidia cards do tend to have better utility outside of gaming than alternatives. Video rendering, thought that is not my primary use for my 4090, is a joke. Yes, I am aware there is progress being made to level the playing field in this regard, but we are not there yet. Again, I respect your right to buy whatever makes you happy, but dont misinform people that the 4090 is not far and away the best thing out there, cause it is
@@dragonsystems5973it being the best option does not justify its insane price, regardless of how good it is. Up until two generations ago the best consumer gpu was around 1200 dollars and that was already pretty insane. Pricing an "equivalent" (in terms of tiers of performance, not actual performance) at more than 50% that price is just corporate greed. And no, i don't prefer AMD or Intel cards. I'll get whatever the best value is at any given moment for my needs, same as everyone else, but you really don't need to play at 4K 100 fps with everything maxed out. You do it because you like it, but anything over 60-70 fps is just excess
@vr0k3n look, I get there are those who feel as you do. Buy I disagree. The 4090 is bleeding edge, most charts put the 4090 quit a bit further in the lead of its contemporaries than something like the 1080Ti was over those of its time... in fact, quite often the Titan Xp now underperforms compared to the 1080Ti in games. I get that there are those who want everything to go back the way it was. I made the video for you, last night, I put a lot of effort into it as someone with limited editing skills, go watch it. I argued a 3080 for $350... which I dug up while on camera, is the card everyone should be buying.. the 3080 today is powerful compared to current cards than the 1080 Ti was at this point in its life... you realize more time has now passed from the release of the 3080 to today than from the 1080Ti to the 3080? Things are not going back to how they where. You have crypto, Ai, gaming, and consoles all competing for the same silicon. You can either adjust to the new reality, or whine about it
@@vr0k3nyou do need that power. We play at 4k max settings. We need all the power we need. 4080 can’t keep up
Yo hook me up with one of your gaming desktops :D