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Im not really certain what you are trying to say. Are you saying if people listen to me they wont get a good deal?

Im getting haters that are either not watching the video, or intentionally mischaracterizing what I said in the video. I basically stated what you did.I clearly stated, the static bag is no guarantee, its possible the one in the static bag is the bad part, or that the non bagged part is fine... its more about a seller showing some basic effort to engage in what is generally considered best practice when handling electronics.. and as you agreed, im not suggesting sellers need to do something expensive... just some very basic effort, that is all im suggesting buyers look for here.

@@dragonsystems5973 Comprehension is worryingly getting worse and worse with folks online, it's not just you. Don't listen to them.

I am pretty sure the only people who have a problem with what I said here are dealers who dont bag their shit... I just looked on eBay, its $20(or less) for a 100 pack of anti static bags that can fit large GPUs, thats like twenty cents or less per sale... like, why is that soo hard, ya know? And to be honest, this video was made mostly for local market buyers, but you, as an eBay seller know that eBays buyer protection is soo tilted against sellers, if you can do some tiny little thing like static bag your components that might cut down on the possibility of a return, thats a win for you right?

Ahhhh soo we get to the truth. You, and probably all the others leaving dislikes and negative comments don't have anything productive to add, you are just mad because you feel I called you out personally, because you don't engage in the absolute most basic of good practices. Next time, just be honest and up front

@@dragonsystems5973 What? What "basic of good practices"? You want better quality and service? Pay for it. You want to cut phe price - i may have something in stock for you. Everything i sell is of personal use, will be shown with proof it's wirking and you will go to my place to get it there without package if you're a cheap ass.

Also, if I read between the lines properly, you are insinuating that I am saying the cards need their original packaging, that WAS NOT what I said. I did comment that the photo I showed was a very good example. I stick to what I have said to like 4 other people. Why would you buy from a seller who can't be bothered to engage in 3 seconds of basic good practices? Why is that soo hard for you? If you deal regularly, you have bags.. why not just do it right???

@@dragonsystems5973 Because it depends. And no, you're reading me wrong. I meant what i can provide the near mint condition for almost retail price or absolutely barebone item for cheap, but there may and will be anything in between. But any package i have to add will also add to cost, because package costs money, time to buy it costs money, time to package it costs money. All i said was: you want better service - you pay better money.

@ThereWasNoFreeName Buddy, your argument has literally no weight. I just looked, you can get 100 anti static bags large enough for a GPU for $20 or less... that's if you buy them new in bulk... if you ate an electronics dealer, we both know you have more of the things than you know what to do with... twenty cents or less bro!!!!! Bag your shit!! Really. This is good for you too, it will give your buyers more added confidence... far more than twenty cents worth

How many of these comments do I have to answer? Can you not be bothered to watch the whole 4 minute video??? Really?? I went into all of this. ALL OF IT. I clearly stated this isn't something to be paranoid about... I also made it clear the biggest issue is whether you want to trust a seller who can't be bothered to engage in the most basic of good practices. But if you want to buy from buyers who can't even take the time to put 3080 in a freaking static bag... more power to y

Ok, great, so once again, just like the last idiot, you clearly did not watch the whole video. My main point is, if you are buying electronics sight unseen off the local market, it's not a good sign if the seller can't be bothered to engage in the most basic of good practices...

Why are you giving advice to my viewers after clearly stating you don't deal in this stuff??? You literally have zero subject matter knowledge. I'm trying to arm my viewers with the best info to make a good decision. Bro, I buy bulk boxes of GPUs, pallet loads of computers, I know good practices and bad ones

@@dragonsystems5973 If you buy it and sell it for profit - good for you. I'm not a reseller, and i only do builds for people and not selling parts. GCs and MBs is a big no-no for me and i will never give and advice to buy used or refurbished one. Will they listen or not - it's up to them.

@@dragonsystems5973 You may want to reconsider the tone of your response. You can have the best information in the world but if you can't communicate without coming across overly abrasive you will not get any subscribers.

@@notmatt5864 Soo... now you are saying im right... buttttt... im abrasive??? like which is it? I think from my tone and from the content of the video, im not here to court electronics dealers, im trying to give solid advice to the guy who just wants to pick up a used 3070 for $250 off craigslist, im talking about the red flags I personally look for. I think you are just mad that I am using the knowledge I gained as a professional dealer for 15 years in a way that might give buyers a look behind the curtain.

You CLEARLY did not watch the whole video and just wanted to feel superior telling some stupid little idiot youtuber how he doesn't know what he us talking about. 1. I clearly stated this IS NOT a catch all. I even addressed cards with backplate. 2. I CLEARLY STATED this biggest issue here is under these circumstances a seller is clearly demonstrating that they don't give a crap enough to engage in basic good practices with regards to storage and packaging of computer hardware. 3. I clearly stated that though it is not perfect, in my 15 YEARS!! of working with hardware, my incidence of unexplained failure went down dramatically once I started engaging in these basic best practices. Now, I am always happy to have a discussion, but if this is how you start, I'll throw it right back at you... unlike a lot of channels, I'm trying to actually contribute the things I've learned doing this full time, professionally, since 2007

@@dragonsystems5973 Wow... Butt hurt much? And you said you started dealing with anti static bags. I watched that part. I can tell you right now, the shipping process will produce way more static than the carpet. They often irradiate packages etc. It's also far more likely on only cards with liquid caps to stick out more and be knocked loose by being placed on something that could pull it off. On top of that, the people placing it in a static bag are more than likely to be handling the card more gently in general. What is happening is confirmation bias. You're assuming an issue's cause without any testing to understand if that's actually the issue. Did you test the boards to see if there was a dead short? Or check if there was missing or loose components? Or did you just toss it because it didn't work? Trust me "bro" XD I know what I'm talking about too. You sound very opinionated and full of yourself. And I should know. I've looked in a mirror.

@foxman8344 let's just make it simple. Why are new gpus ALWAYS shipped in some kind of static protection?? Second, I don't care about shipping, this video was about best practices for buying off the local market. As I have said over and over and over... and over, this is more about the generaly failure of most sellers to engage in basic good practices. You want to buy 3080s from sellers who don't give a shit, more power to you. I'm attempting to impart to my viewers knowledge on what best practices are. You are right, a million things COULD happen, and seeing that a seller gives enough crap to engage in known best practices gives me a lot more faith they did the other things right too. Furthermore... I love how guys like you jump to insulting me as being emotionally weak when I push back on you.

It really depends, there is no deffinite answer. If the deal was really good and the card tests good I'd probably keep it... HOWEVER if you are one of those people who is going to wrestle with yourself about potential invisible long term damage I'd probably just return it. Also if the deal really wasn't that good I'd also return it for the piece of mind... 3070s certainly are not the rare thing they once where. Also do be aware, sometimes an antistatic will be pink or blue etc, not necessarily the classic shiny silvery.

@@dragonsystems5973 it was a good deal, it was 390$. I’m gonna test it once all my parts come, gpu z is good? I’m not worried about the scratches if there cosmetic. And any gpu can fail regardless of used or new. And it has 90 day warranty so I’ll be fine

@mkeefe4248 doesn't GPU Z just give you the stats on the card? Personally I like to actually use it... I'd recommend you load up Cyberpunk and run that for a few hours. I did just glance quickly at eBay and that is on the high side, however, it is true generally 30 days is warranty on ebay, so an extra $50 - $70 may be worth it for 90 days... at $390 though I really think you should take a look a the newer 4070

Never buy refurbished parts, so far all the refurbs i've seen either were half working or dead in less than a year, and there is either no warranty or very short one for refurbished items. That's also the reason i don't deal with second hand cards - they may want to sell poorly refurbished one and say they bought it new.

@@ThereWasNoFreeName I’ve heard people say it’s good, I mean I’m not getting it off a random person, it’s from a actual company that specializes in that. They have a 4.5 to 5 star rating on Newegg,Amazon,eBay. It seems good so far besides the scratches on the design, but they are minor. I’ll just have to wait till my whole other parts get here to test it.

Unfortunately on something this old I don't even specifically remember making the video let alone specifics on the hardware, sorry this video was a half a decade ago

I am considering getting back into doing these kinds of teardown videos, but right now my plate is pretty full with custom and retro builds

@@dragonsystems5973 Thanks for your reply. I find it odd that no one has mentioned this slider. Not any DIY or DELL. I actually did end up cutting the tab off with a hacksaw on my last build.

I'm going to have to bring my ITX setup next time.. I got kinda hooked on the convenience of the laptop, but my itx is super beefy

I don’t think they are as critical as some of the paranoid people think, but I do think they are more important than the uninformed normies would expect

I normally request if a seller does not have antistatic bags, at a minimum put it in a paper bag or cardboard box

Just trying to help :)

Thank you! You too!

I clean and fix equipment in remote areas of my state

@@dragonsystems5973 That would be a job i would actually like, but you are the one to confirm it

It really is such a dirty trick with such complete plausible deniability that realistically the only way I would consider buying “untested” parts is if I pulled them out of the box of recycle myself

I do what I can

Now you're making me feel all guilty for holding onto all this hardware for my channel

@@dragonsystems5973 No guilt needed. It's just the curse of multiple small towns filled with good ole boys that build their perfect truck or car instead of gaming rig.

I have come to the conclusion yours is the most likely use case for these older cards

Now if only I could make all my videos this "sick" I'd be cooking...

That only makes sense if you are suggesting that they used overbuilt cards, like in so much as having beefier heatsinks, for example than actually needed so it stays cooler

I am putting together an X58 build right now that I am going to set up with Windows 7 for cards like this. I am going to start segregating this stuff into two categories, stuff that can still be made realistically useful today, and stuff that is basically a retro gaming curiosity, and I am going to be strongly advising people to avoid these kinds of cards for anything other than collector uses/retro, if someone is trying to do the "can I make an old card work today" thing, the oldest card you want is a 980 Ti

I try, crazy enough someone actually downvoted this one... I'm literally telling people what to do to save money...

For sure... I get soo tire seeing videos made by big name youtubers who specialize in new product reviews do videos on the used market where the biggest thing is "protecting yourself from getting screwed" like yeah, basically do-diligence is in order, but they make it out like the most common outcome is to get screwed over, and thats just wrong and borderline dishonest

I don't know what this means?

@@dragonsystems5973 It was another company that made slot machines.

it is a really good card, ASSUMING you get it how you did, $50 or less. Actual market value on these cards is like $100-$150, but from the perspective of a normal user, I can only value them at the absolute cheapest price I can obtain a GTX 1080 for, its less gaming capable, but the unique form factor and low power draw give it some extra points beyond pure raw performance. I did have some display issues, particularly with trying to capture video with a capture, and I chatted with another user that had some odd monitor issues as well, it didnt seem too bad, but there was deffinitely some fun and games going on with it. but yeah, its pretty cool at the price you picked it up for.