Rose Replant Disease ? | A walk and talk around my rose garden in April
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- I’m no expert on roses nor rose replant disease, but I do wanna show you my roses, what I have done, my thoughts and what I’m seeing.
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Jay Jay, check out Fraser Valley Rose Farm on CZcams. He had a video back 5 years ago where he consulted a professional on this issue. She gave a possible solution. I planted marigolds last year between my established roses for the benefit of keeping pests from my roses without having to spray them. It seems that marigolds may help with this problem as well. But I lost two rose bushes the year before last and 1 this year. Ironically, I did not have marigolds planted in this area! I have over 80 roses. I’ve started another rose bed in fresh ground. I’ve planted Salvia between these and am planting marigolds interspersed in this new bed as well. Also I wanted to note, that I didn’t add anything to the soil when I planted three roses that I lost. All my other newer roses I had started adding bone meal, bio-tone starter, and earth worm castings to the hole where I plant the new roses. Hope this helps. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.
Hi Karen this is Interesting, first of all did you lose these 3 roses to rose replant disease, creatures or unknown reasons ? If rose replant disease did your roses display similar infection to what you see here or different? And lastly if rose replant disease what time span for the original rose being in the ground? to disease setting in? Sorry for questions but I’m trying to pin this down a little. Yes Jason’s video I’ve seen it before several times I think but not so recently. I do have salvia planted all around the rose I lost in the front garden but you don’t see it here. The salvia didn’t save that rose. Marigolds I am planting more this year. Thanks
Agreed. I follow Jason of Fraser Valley Rose Farm. Great source of info. Also plant the rose in a box to combat rose replant disease.
I am definitely not an expert, but I am trying what Bunny Guinness does, which is to plant your new rose inside a cardboard wine box. She has something on YTube about this, which is where I saw it. The previous rose was in the ground for 3 & a bit years. I planted the new one less than a month ago so keeping my fingers crossed it works.
Kim (The Rose Geek) is very enthusiastic and helpfull. I don't do Facebook but follow her on YT. She has hundreds of roses and is very interested in their resistance to disease. I like het. And Jason of Fraser V. Rose Farm.
Hi Irene, yes I saw on bunnies channel the cardboard box method, but I’ll be honest I didnt originally think I needed it with mine only being a couple of years. Perhaps very naive of me. I’ve also seen on the internet people try it without success. I guess the cardboard breaks down in only a few months and possibly not long enough I don’t know. Best of luck with your new roses I will cross my fingers also.
Just a thought, although I have not looked into this subject in any depth, could the type of soil one has also influence the possibility of RRD?
@@ireneNL9349 I really couldn’t tell you. What I will say is from now on I’m not going to wait for this 5-6 year period that gets spoken of. To be safe I will assume the royal horticultural society is correct. A rose in the ground for even a short space of time that I remove and replace, will have all soil excavated and cardboard box method used. Even if it transpires they are incorrect better to be safe than sorry. :)
I practice the boxing method. You dig out the old rose and put a paper box into the whole. Then the new plant is save for a couple of time. I also add some root grow. I saw it on the CZcams channel „Landhaus Ettenbühl“ and my roses don’t have any problems with the new place. I like this method because it’s easy.
Yes Ruth this is correct I made a mistake and am showing it here. I do suspect a rose planted in the ground even for a short time needs this process you talk of. ;)
This year im trying my uncles trick - I started to water roses with water+ yeast, once a week. As far as good, nice, shiny leaves and roses are thriving, aparently it should stop any fungus diseases with yeast being good fungi itself and is a fertilizer too. We'll see😊 I put 50 g of fresh or a 7 g sachette in 10 litres of water, wait couple of hours and its ready. You can also spray it over the plant. Finger crossed your roses will fight it away
This is the first I’ve ever heard of this. Interesting, where in the world are you?
I’ve already got a lot going on this year with regards to treatment but I’ll see how I get on. But thanks for letting us know your uncles trick.
Nutritional yeast?
@@kareharpies any yeast, I use just yeast I use at home for baking the cakes :) its has loads of amino acids, witamins etc. @jay_Jay im in Poland, zone 6b. Just looked on YT, at " yeast fertilizer" and there s plenty of films about IT, wow :)
@@Jay_Jay Yes I have heard of using yeast as well but haven't tried it
Hi JayJay,…very interesting topping….i replanted many times here with my sandy red soil, I always used a trick from some German Rose Breeders…digging the old Rose out deep enough, putting a cardboard container like a shipping Box in that hole and put Mycorrhiza Powder on the bottom and put the plant in, refill with new soil mixed with Mycorrhiza..till the cardboard dissolves the mycobacterium that would attack the new Roses Roots are gone and the new Rose has help from the mycorrhiza…I never did replanting without that…❤❤❤
You done right there my friend. Sadly I didn’t do this :( and it could prove to be a problem.
Good morning, dear JayJay, thanks for your review. Before planting a new plant into the old place, you can flood the hole with a solution of potassium permanganate or an antibacterial agent (dilute the tablet). Then you can add compost and ash when planting a new rose. You will be tormented to change the land. As for the unknown disease on the top leaves of roses now, it could be the result of frost or sprayed in sunny weather, or thrips. It is still necessary to spray the mixture against diseases and thrips every 10-14 days regularly. The drugs must be changed to avoid addiction. A good drug is difenoconazole.
Morning Natalia and thank you. I take it this is something you have tried before and can vouch for? These are some chemicals I hadn’t heard of. Also have you seen the replant disease before have you come up against it before ? Many thanks
@@Jay_Jay In Russia this drug is sold everywhere, 2 ml ampoule per 10 liters of water. This is not only for roses, but for example for cherries, the whole garden. It improves plant immunity and is used in agriculture. I have several cherry trees that did not bear fruit for 10 years; in the summer the leaves turned yellow and fell off (coccomiosis). I sprayed the swollen buds for two years in May, before the rains, and trimmed the bad branches. Last year I collected 57 kg of cherries. I have come across transplanting roses, for example, roses with an open root system - these are transplanted roses. and the simplest thing was to change the places of the roses, we all do this here - they try to arrange flower beds by color, etc. You can use a root growth stimulator. Ash deoxidizes the soil well and disinfects it, but it should not be applied to the roots, otherwise it will burn; mix 1 cup per hole with soil. I'm not professional at all, I'm also learning. I also use Bordeaux mixture for spraying - a mixture of copper and lime, but this is in early spring and late autumn. It can also process sections of trees and roses after pruning - it helps a lot. I looked it up from Vitaly Orekh from Ukraine, he is a professional in tree pruning. Have a nice evening.
@@N.G.666 fantastic read. There is so much that people are doing that I haven’t heard of. We have a cherry tree in our garden that is now 90 percent dead and rotten. Too late to salvage. I already have a lot going on this year with regards treatment for my roses so I will see how I get on but I will look at what you use regarding replanting. But just so I and everyone knows what treatment do you put down for your roses each year and when. What feed and what treatment ? Many thanks
@@Jay_Jay When I plant a tree or a rose, I turn the top layer - turf - over and put it at the bottom of the hole, then the top soil (before the clay), remove the clay, take soil (I buy it for roses, but you can also take it from the plot), add compost (bucket) , a glass of ash, I stir it into the hole, plant a rose, add soil, then water it around (bucket), the hole is 50cm in diameter, 70-80cm deep. when the water settles, sprinkle a handful of superphosphate or rose fertilizer in granules around. I fill the top with compost or purchased soil. A rose planted in the spring does not need to be fed this year; it needs to grow roots. When it gets warmer, I water the rest of the roses with liquid fertilizer (diluted as written in the instructions) every two weeks. Always use universal fertilizers, because some contain a lot of nitrogen, but from August you can’t have too much nitrogen. In the spring, cut off all diseased and dried branches until they are clean; the inside of the trunk should not be dark (also for cherries). Treat the sections (we sell ready-made liquid copper with lime). By the way, cherries may still need a pollinator (plant a different variety). Before winter, when the temperature is -5 and dry, I trim the non-climbing roses, spray them, then cover the roses with spandbond - you can just cover them with a piece and put stones around the edges. Collect all the mown grass and put it in a heap; in 2-3 years it will be compost. I saw how you infuse grass - this is a very good fertilizer for everything, but only for spring, there is a lot of nitrogen. This, of course, is not all, roses also need to be sprayed on the green buds from insects (I take a universal one so that I can spray the whole garden at once). Good luck.
@@N.G.666 thank you Natalia for such an in-depth reply. Your technique differs a little from mine but I do not doubt it works fantastic for you. I use to dig bigger holes when planting and get rid of all clay but now I am a convert from what Jason from Fraser valley farms suggests. And this seems to work very well for me here. The grass cuttings I do not collect but they get chopped and scattered as I cut the grass over the lawn. A spray you mention I am trying for first time this year, applied fortnightly as I said before. Hopefully this will help fight of some disease, increase buds and help root growth. But will see. The comfrey tea I hope will also help with roses disease and growth. Lots of suggestions have been made I look into all of them and your advice is very much appreciated. For this year I can only wait now and see how things develop. So far I am please apart from Paul’s Himalayan musk which is infested with blackspot and will not be here in my garden next year! But so close I will see it flower in the coming weeks. Then it will get the chop. :( regarding its replacement I will pay attention to what people are saying and make decision from that. Many thanks Natalia.
Fraser Valley, Rose Geek, have all done episodes on rose replant disease---Rose Geek (sorry have forgot her actual name!) tried the box method a year or 2 ago & it would be good to know how it wen, especially since it has the added bonus of having to drink much wine quickly! I wonder if own-root roses are as susceptible as grafted? I wonder if it has something to do w/ the graft rootstock being so vigorous & so very determined to get up to the light once its above-ground parts are taken from it. It seems no one exactly knows just what it is. I hope that what you are seeing is actually just a bit of transplant shock & that Miss Rosemary will rally. And I thank you for bringing this to the forefront---one of the well-funded growers needs to do a rigorous scientific study on this, including grafted vs. own root. Which means it will have to be a grower that does both---David Austin, are you listening? In the U.S. they do both.
Hi vintage, I’ve seen Jason’s video on it I didn’t realise rose geek done one I will have to watch.
Yes in the U.K. no own root roses I don’t know the real reason for this. But I believe it takes extra money, effort and time to do. So perhaps if nobody else is doing it, why start! Love you last sentence. :)
Edit forgot to add. Transplant shock now there’s a thing. When moving a potted rose (not destined for CZcams) I’m always super careful not to disturb the rootball from the pot. I’ve done it many many times without issue. But it’s possible I guess. Really hope it is anyway! Thank you
I am willing to do a rigorous scientific study of the wine box method if someone will sponsor me and just send me the wine - Merlot preferably.
So sorry to witness what you are undergoing!
I am absolutely no expert, however having viewed, over previous years, several videos on this topic, which included,the ,as ever, excellent Jason From Fraser Valley Rose Farm version. Might I suggest removing/ replacing the soil. Then replanting the new roses within cardboard boxes, and I might also suggest, as overkill, that you plant those 'boxes' inside slightly larger, deeper boxes with new soil betwixt them also!
Anywho nil desperandum you will indubitably overcome this problem, as you certainly are that man of kind!
🥰♥️🌹🌹♥️🥰
Haha bless you Peter. Yes I made a mistake here I’m pretty sure of it. We don’t know for certain of course but I’m pretty sure I made a mistake. As I’ve said already I do believe any rose planted in the ground even for a short space of time needs the soil excavating and the cardboard box trick used if another rose takes its spot. Forget about 5 or 6 years just play it safe (unlike me.)
My plan now I’m unsure. I’m gonna keep a very close eye on things in the coming days. If those roses are moved now they will undergo transplant shock at this time of year I imagine. But if they continue to deteriorate I will have no choice they will have to come up.
@@Jay_Jay....sorry i read on someone else's comment earlier, and now cannot find it again.... about yeast....I have used yeast on my potted roses for a goodly number of years.
There are two methods, that I am aware of,one slightly more involved than the other.
en.angelyeast.com/blog/plant-nutrition/the-power-of-yeast-in-plant-nutrition.html
Hi English Peter not sure if this link is gonna come out I tried adding it in a comment on dilly’s last video but yt deleted it perhaps because it was on her channel. A video for you.
czcams.com/video/9-GKIL-gtSA/video.htmlsi=a83GDnH-XA1ucKBd
Hi Jay Jay, I’ve heard on many occasions that you shouldn’t replant another rose on the same spot where an old rose used to be ( for couples of years at least) and I always wondered why? Now seeing this video and given me a new insight to the reason .There’s been mix information regarding this replant disease. Some say this can be done so by removing as much of the old soil as possible before replanting a new rose. This year I have dugged up summer song and chandos beauty and have replanted a couple of new roses in its place, a gamble I was willing to take knowing the possible outcome .
will see how they respond later in the year.
Hi Ken that’s interesting.
How long were summer song and Chandos planted in the ground? Also did you excavate the old soil out?
@@Jay_Jay Hi Jay, I ready knew there was such thing as soil contamination before and knew the risk. Summer song and chandos was there I guess around two years. I was determined to beat the odds and gave it a go anyway. yes I removed the all the soil where the old rose was and chucked everything away making sure any soil that went in the hole was fresh . The result so far has been good and no signs of defoliation or distress. I would dig up those two of roses of yours and find another place or risk losing them. Removing so much ground soil can be so time consuming. It’s you call Jay
Hi Jay, I'm sorry to hear about your roses doing poorly. I just thought I'd share what a rose vendor in Germany told me when I reached out to tell them a bare root I'd purchases was doing poorly - they asked if I'd ever planted a rose in the spot (I hadn't), but also others in the rose *family* (e.g. raspberries, strawberries, even apples and plums), because that can also lead to what we call rose replant disease. I know it's not relevant to your specific case, but maybe some other viewers might find it useful. Incidentally, they also suggested replacing the soil.
Hi Katrina. Thank you. I can’t be entirely sure but I do believe this is replant disease. But the main reason I wanted to upload this was point out that perhaps the 5 year time span previously mentioned for the disease to take hold, could be out of date. The time span the royal horticultural society speak of could be more accurate. Lots of coulds and maybes but my advice anyone looking to replant a new rose is errr on the side of caution. Replace soil and plant in a cardboard box.
Jay Jay I am very sorry to see your poor roses suffering in this condition. I am learning new issues when it comes to roses. I planted deep secret rose in place of faithful rose ( Harkness) last year without any knowledge of this issue. So far deep secret rose doing well 🤞. Hope your roses will recover back to healthy plants again. Keep us updated. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Well done raj and thank you. Yes in future perhaps be careful. If planting a new rose in the exact same spot of an old rose consider excavating the old soil away and replacing and the cardboard box trick as mentioned. Doing what I done and perhaps what you done might be risky. ;)
@@Jay_Jay many thanks Jay Jay. I am sure your roses will recover back to full.
Hi Jay Jay, I once saw a video of a CZcamsr attending a seminar about roses organised by Sissinghurst or David Austin( can’t remember). Rose replant disease was mentioned because when they did the tour in the garden, there was a huge hole, they said they have to remove a big portion of the ground and they will put new soil and compost so they can use the space to plant new roses. I think that’s the only way to solve that problem.🌹
Hi Gemma, yes I saw this video also. Digging huge deep wide holes and Excavating all the old soil away and replacing with fresh soil, this will work. Perhaps I should have been more cautious I’m pretty sure I made a mistake. Can’t be certain of course but I do regret not being more cautious and replacing the soil.
Thank you for the new info. I keep on eye of my roses if I have this diseases as the moment my roses plenty of blind shoots which are annoying I cut them back hopping for the best result
Hi there yes cut them back is my advice. You Amy well have seen some in this video I keep trying to spot them and cut them back. I honestly think the timing will mean a light first flush this year. But I also hope the roses will be conserving that energy for 2nd flush. ;)
Thank you for this video. The difficulty is knowing how rose replanting disease "looks" like and therefore how to identify it, particularly since "stunted growth", the main symptom talked about, could be down to many other things. I replanted a rose this winter, not in the same spot of an old one, but near it in the same bed, and wonder if it is affected by this. I had some leaves droop and yellow a while after planting , but then fresh new growth appeared and quite a few blooms. But before they open fully they seem to wilt (just the blooms). New buds up and ok. Foliage not wilted and doesn't have the brown patches showing on yours, but doesn't look shiny and healthy either, but a bit matt and dry. This is Wollerton Old Hall and I will be devastated to lose it. I wonder if is is replant disease or something else. Assuming it is this, what I am to do now? Dig it out and move it elsewhere - will it recover? Or leave it in and wait to see if it lives or dies?
Wow after seeing this video I can also diagnose my new rose with rose replant disease, probably planted too close to a problematic rose that I’ve been thinking to get rid off. same symptoms! will try move it to a pot😅. Thank you for the explanation!
Wow be careful my friend. I’m not an expert on rose replant disease or roses for that matter. Your sickly rose could be anything. If you have a rose that isn’t doing well and you’ve given it some time, I would swap it out and replace but if so excavate all the soil around the rose and replace with new soil and plant in a cardboard box. Best of luck
great share
I also don’t think replant a young rose will cause serious problem. But when I replant, I did dig a lot of old soil out and replace with fresh soil. Try marigolds, they are magical.
Yes I wish I done this hina. The royal horticultural society, I know now they are saying just 9 months for a rose to contaminate the soil.
Oh no... thanks for ths info . I hope your roses rebound .
Hi Debbie yes I’m sure things will work in the end it’s just a hiccup and very likely my dumbass :)
@@Jay_Jay ha...
You're not a dumb ass.
Hi Jay Jay I'm so sorry to see some of your roses suffering. I don't really know much about rose replant disease but it does make you wonder what the large commercial growers do? Do they rotate their crops ? If not how do they 'cleanse' the soil. Are they using extra parcels of land some years? I don't know but they must be replanting roses annually. I hope you don't lose those roses, fingers crossed 🌹
Hi Linda I’m not sure how the large commercial growers do it but I did hear they use a chemical that eradicates the condition but that chemical loses its license here in the U.K. this year. Wether that’s true or not I don’t know I will ask Peter at eastcroft when I see him hopefully next week.
Hi Linda. I met with Peter at eastcroft today 😊. And I asked him about this. For his business he has a rose in the ground for a year (or two). Then rotates for 10 years. No rose goes in that same spot for 10 years. He told me the commercial guidance is 7 years gap for commercial growers. But I do know some commercial growers use a chemical to eradicate the disease but its license runs out this year. Out of curiosity he suggested a rose in a garden soil for one or two years won’t make any harm. But I’m not entirely convinced every time, but you see how he runs his buissness. ;)
@@Jay_Jay Hi Jay Jay, that makes sense I assumed they rotated, wow 10 years, that is a big rotation. I was thinking it would be maybe 5 or 6, you need a lot of land to grow on a big scale. Does Peter grow anything else ? Something is up with your roses though even under the one / two years timeframe. I'm not sure, maybe it's something else then? In a way I hope it is and your roses will be okay, something weather related maybe instead. Has Peter seen your video it would be good to know his thoughts on it.
Hi Jay I’ve always been told 7 years. You can replant if you dig out all the old soil and replace it with fresh John Innes No 3. Your rose Sweet Honey I would have just shortened it when pruning it. It’s called rose sickness. Never plant a rose where you have had one without replacing soil.
Hi Marilyn, well I know now it could be much less than 7 years in some cases. And I suspect the RHS could be correct. The sweet honey I did consider cutting back to 3 inches from the ground but I do believe a year older it would have still seen 6 maybe 7ft. And in front of the potting shed the wife wouldn’t have been too impressed. She wanted it moved.
Sorry to hear about the roses. The leaves on your affected roses look like the ones with downy mildew (it looks like irregular spots, there is nothing 'downy' about it, weird name).
I read online that you should plant marigolds, and that will help. I haven't tried it myself, though. Your roses are looking fantastic though 😊
Hi there yes marigolds I now hear can help thank you. I have some marigold seeds that I will be trying. Thank you.
@@Jay_Jay really marigold for replant disease?
@Jay_Jay I seen online that if you plant the rose in a box, by the time the box breaks down in the soil the rose will be strong enough to fight off rose replant disease.
The only case of replant disease I had was with strawberries but it was easy to identify (not so easy to fix) - the soil was teaming with nematodes. I think you should identify what's wrong with your plants and treat it specifically. For example I reuse pot medium in which I grow flowers like petunias. They pick up fungal diseases very easily in my climate. I tried steam from small steam generator. It worked but it was messy. Then I used burning sulfur (they sell it for cellar fumigation) it worked too but it was even messier. Now I dropped it (second year this spring) and used same thing I told you before - Trichoderma and Bacillus subtilis. I wouldn't say I was as happy as with steam sterilization because I have occasional Brassicaceae, knotweed, Lobelia seedlings in my pots but so far so good in terms of fungal problems. This year I will experiment with bionematicides. I have planted several strawberries in pots to experiment with.
YT Bloggers: "Fraser Valley Rose Farm" - ask him, he's got degree in agriculture unlike me (although I have it in biotech).
Much of what you say here is way advance of my slow brain. Yes trying to establish what it is not easy. I am seeing what your using in your garden this year I will see how I get on but what your trying is seen and noted. If I have issues this year I will come back to it. Thank you and best of luck in your garden this year :)
@@Jay_Jay same to you, man!
@@Jay_Jay everything what I said is well-proven, there is nothing advanced in it. Some strains (it's like "variety" in plants) of B. subtilis (a bacteria widely distributed in soil) has strong antifungal and antibacterial properties. Those strains are screened from natural soils and multiplied on special medium in sterile conditions (in fact it's just sugar, basic fertilizers and air bubbling). Then this liquid with spores (produced after chilling) is packed and sold at high prices. After spraying it, spores stay on leaves and, whenever it rains, they start reproducing bacteria which kills pathogens. It works in soil too.
Trichoderma is a genus of microscopic fungi which grows in almost every forests nearby or just below wood pieces. It kills pathogenic fungi by: a) outcompeting, Trichoderma grows extremely fast, b) producing natural fungicides, c) direct parasitism on pathogen's micelium, d) induce resistance in plants. Trichoderma is the easiest fungi to grow. Even more, you can collect it in nature (if you fail to find other sources) and use it at least for fast composting (as a rule those strains from nature are not effective as fungicides but still grow very fast and decompose cellulose very well).
High background level of pathogens in soil is the reason of what people describe as "replant disease". Soil fumigation is the way to fix it (actually you can google for "replant disease soil fumigation"). Sure, fungi is not the only class of pathogens but it is the most common one. Nematodes could become another reason of replant disease. But that's quite specific to some plants like strawberries mentioned earlier. Some plants indeed can excrete toxic compounds which are chemically quite stable. For example that's the reason nothing grows around walnuts (juglone is the name of that compound). But it is not the roses' case I believe.
That's was a not so short introduction to the problem and its solution :)
P.S. I have no idea why some of my comments disapear but further info you can get in video named "In Search of Soil #15 - Dr. Gary Harman - Trichoderma" - this is the man behind the most common strain of Trichoderma currently in use (strain T22).
@@Jay_Jay searhc YT for "In Search of Soil #15 - Dr. Gary Harman - Trichoderma" - this is the man behind the most common strain of Trichoderma currently in use (strain T22). It is quite interesting.
@@TimurDavletshin wow that’s a complex answer I will have to read it several times I think and use Google also. But tell me, the things you explain here are they harmful at all? To insects etc.
Hi Jay Jay and sad to see roses looking unwell. Fortunately most look fine and have got away from the rabbits. I replaced one of my ramblers with a climbing rose, now in it's third year, and I did dig out the old soil and lined the hole with plenty of cardboard - not just a box. So far so good but I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed. I have no magic solution sadly. I think you're on heavy ground and as such should be OK for P.H. but have you tested it? I hope you manage to overcome the problem. P.
@@Jay_Jay Whether I've got things right Jay Jay time will tell. The Golden Showers that I said didn't/doesn't like being sprayed doesn't look 100% at the moment. Leaves looking a bit unhappy. I'll have to have a word with it and see what it's problem is. I will email you know I've got your address. A bit of a wet morning here in Kent huh? P.
Hi Jay Jay, Sorry to hear about your rose problem. There is a video by Bunny Guinness about it. I cannot include a link to the video without my comment being removed so please search for Rose Replant Disease - A German BREAKTHROUGH. I have no idea if it works but it is worth a watch/ try? Best wishes and I hope your roses recover.
Hi there Alec yes I’ve seen that video before and just watched again. The box trick I was aware of, but at the time didn’t think I needed it because of my shorter time span that even bunny points out (5-6 years). Interesting what she says about no clues as to what it looks like other than poor performance, but again I’ve seen it said you will see disease but without me finding what this disease looks like! Only some distant shots is what I found. I’m tempted to unpot my Rosmary harkness to check out the darkness of the roots I have to say. Annoying I didn’t photo it when I repotted. Thank you Alec.
hi jay,,, lots of buds i see!!
Hi there. Yeah it’s an odd one this year but I have many roses with blind stems or maybe with just single buds. For first flush I’m honestly expecting a light flowering compared to previous years, but time will of course tell. It’s still very early. ;) hope your garden is doing well
@@Jay_Jay i think they will do really well! cant wait to see. i have the four potted roses growing outside my window i have St.Swithun growing around the window and strawberry hill, Princess Alexandra of Kent and Jacques Cartier..... do you have any of these?
@@lazarusdouvos hi I have only princess Alexandra of Kent. A great rose that’s doing well for me. And I know Jack Cartier is a lovely rose I’ve seen that several times. :)
@@Jay_Jay they are beauties! couldnt find your IG is it @jay_jay?
First Jay Jay, I'm extremely sorry to see your poor roses. Gardens just want a healthy plant. We don't ask for a lot. Second, here I've heard it called more of a syndrome as its not a contagious disease like Rose Mosaic or the dreaded Rose Rosette! There is little info here as well but here is what a prominent Rose grower here says to do. Take a wheelbarrow dig as much soil out and deep as the wb will hold. Fill with garden soil from a none Rose area or buy it in bags. Dump the affected soil away from roses. Fill the hole and put in WATER SOLUBLE fertilizer and ket set for a few days. Them plant your rose. Here it's thought to deplete the soil of nutrients roses most need. Yet a rose can grow in the same spot for 50 years with no fertilizer just fine. I almost wonder if it's a combination of the two. I'm terribly sorry I can't be of more help. I was going to move a climber because I don't think it's getting enough sun but I may not now.😢😢😢
Hi there, yes someone did post a photo of David Austin rose centre over the winter months. Captured at a time when it appeared some roses where being transplanted. We saw particularly huge big deep holes where roses once were, all that soil excavated. For how long those roses were there originally we don’t know. And we can only presume new soil was to be added for the new roses going down.
What I am getting from your video and the comments is that nobody knows what replant disease is/looks like or how it can be prevented. When we give someone "expert" status in any field, they will feel obliged to come up with an answer when we ask them a question, but often that is just a best guess (without any evidence) made not to lose face. I dug up my poorly performing Abraham Darby (which tends to get severe black spot) 2-3 years ago and planted a Golden Celebration in the same spot, replacing much of the soil (but not very deeply) and adding the mycorrhizal fungus, and it has been fine (except I don't really like GC). So replant disease is not automatic. If your roses have picked up a condition which has come from the previous roses in the soil, then I would assume they are already infected and a change of soil now would be pointless, so, as with the micro leaved roses we had I suppose we just have to hope they will fight their way back and recover as we give them water and feed (and warm sunshine?). I wonder if this late cold weather is part of the problem - quite a few of my new roses have dark areas on their leaves after being moved out of their warm greenhouse "nursery" - but in the same pots. Anyway, all this non-expert advice comes to you from someone whose autumn cuttings nearly all died and who has the worst case ever of rose transplant (not replant) shock - I'll try to video it soon - my fault for moving it after growth had got started.
Hi nik I’m in a hurry right now but what i hope people take from this is “perhaps” the advice that rose replant disease happens only after a rose has been in the ground for 5 or 6 years might not be always correct. And the advice given by the RHS (9 months) “might” be more accurate. And if replanting a rose in a spot previously vacated by another rose then lean on the more cautious side unlike me. Excavate soil and plant in a cardboard box if. With all these covered then you should be ok. But like I say I’m in a hurry right now about to eat fish and chips on the seafront sat in car :)
@@Jay_Jay One of the best ways to eat fish and chips! I am with you in spirit.
I’m back home now, yes rose transplant shock I’ve had a few times. I’m absolutely convinced when planting a potted rose never ever disturb the rootball. No teasing etc just leave alone especially if growth is already underway.
Many experts disagree with this I know. And I know you have seen me disturb rootballs in the past but that was just to show the quality of the roots. But THAT is how I know transplant shock! :)
Perhaps a silly question, but are the recently transplanted roses getting plenty of water? I have found that roses in the ground need almost as much water as potted ones during their first season.
It’s not a silly question they are getting plenty of water. The one out the front that you didn’t see, out of desperation I even gave it additional water thinking the same. But it didn’t help it continued its downward spiral until eventually I needed to dig her up.
Jay Jay, sorry to hear about the trouble you are getting with your roses. Yet another thing i was not aware of. I remember seeing that video with the huge hole at DA ( was it that lady you recently done a video with? ) , it did strike me as odd at the time for such a great hole, did not question it though :(
I recently planted a Bliss in a place where another rose i dug up ( there for 5 years ). I did the same as you in planting, does that mean i should dig up Bliss?
Oh bloody hell. Yes it was her video. You’re not alone Gez, I’m pretty sure I made the mistake and I knew about it!!!
If I were you I wouldn’t panic. If yours is now full of heathy foliage id just
keep an eye on it for time being. If it flowers and performs well happy days.
If however, you decide to dig it up now I’m pretty certain your rose will see a transplant shock and will probably not grow at all for 1-2-3 months. So it’s not a good time of year to move.
However if your rose doesn’t perform or starts to look increasingly poorly I’d suggest dig it up because it’s very possible rose replant sickness is attacking it. But either way don’t panic. If you decide to dig her up make sure to excavate the old soil and replace with new. Then do the cardboard box trick etc.
Could it be fungal? I'm going to have the same problem since I lost 5 rose bushes this past winter. I have to dig them up and probably replace a large amount of dirt if I want to plant roses there again. I read that the planting marigold thing may work but each marigold species attracts different nematodes so unless you know the specific little nasty, planting marigolds may not work.
If I could turn the clock back Diane I would definitely excavate more soil, leave the new soil sit for sometime empty, AND then plant the new roses in cardboard boxes . Best of luck :)
You could also, dig up those roses, wash the roots and put them in a pot to get healthy. Then dig out all that dirt or maybe solarize the heck out of it and maybe try 1 rose next year to see if it grows well.
Kim is on Instagram also. Which I much prefer❤❤❤
Yes Instagram it moves too fast for me I can never keep up :(
Hope Brother Cadfael not at risk ! 🥸
I think BC will be ok mate. I suspect it’s just the new roses going in the ground in the spot vacated by another rose. Let’s hope so anyway