Why I'm Sick of Lazy Fan-Service in Films and Television...
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2022
- Fan-service. Fan-service everywhere. To say I'm sick of the use of lazy fan-service is an understatement and the fact that people continue to fall for it isn't helping my mental state so come join me as I explain why I'm just a "little" bit annoyed.
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Better Call Saul fanservice was really good because not only it has clapping but serving the story and add more context
Eh i didnt care for it tbh it felt like filler to me
I thought the complete opposite. It kinda ruined the show for me.
@@jogymogy3691 how did it ruin? at max it was just useless just to "hey guys remember.. We are in the same universe remember right?"....
The entire concept of Better Call Saul was fan service, hence why I skipped it. That and all the actors being older for some reason
@@INFILTR8US it’s a character study, and it’s might be better than breaking bad.
‘The Book of Boba Fett’ contains some of the worst fan service ever. And yet, I loved what Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni did with ‘The Mandalorian’.
Jon Favreau’s work is 50/50, it’s really baffling to me. I loved IM1, The Jungle Book and Mando, but IM2, The Lion King and BOBF I’m not a fan at all
@@bethanygribble also prehistoric planet
See I don't get it. I had a great time with book of Boba fett. I just to watch it I don't really have any expectations about how it should go so I guess I'm not disappointed but honestly I still don't get how it's bad lmao
You had me at the "is that a personal attack or something?" "Yes!" moment.
I love that you included HTTYD as a good example. Would love to see a vid essay of the trilogy
It’s not just Hollywood where this is a problem but Japan too.
Idk i feel like star wars and marvel are the same shit at this point. Thanks to disney
Bullshit
Yeah, it all feels very samey. Really doesn't help that they're both being handled incredibly poorly.
Here is the thing, I think classic Doctor Who and NWH get it right, fan service should be use sparingly and it should be special when it happens.
In classic Doctor Who every ten years they would have a multi-Doctor special where they brought back as many old actors as they could for two hours and then move on.
In NWH it happened after the film series had been around for twenty years and in the context of the story they made it clear it can never happen again or the universe is doomed so it is special and future films will have to stand without it, plus the movie gave MCU Spider-Man his best arc yet, the movie would have still been a hit without the fan service.
When fanservice happens all the time it loses its punch and it has no impact, so unless it is part of some sort of rare celebration it should never be the main reason a work exists.
They've done it extremely well in modern who or well RTD and Moffat did
@Matthew Given
As an anime fan and pro-wrestling fan, I can vouch that an over abundance of fan-service can cause it to lose its punch. There's only so much T and A shots, and callbacks to better arcs in a series like what Dragon Ball Super did that you tend to get sick of it. Same with pro-wrestling with how WWE would constantly bring back older wrestlers for a cheap reaction that it got stale after a while
So to see other media make same mistake annoys me.
NWH doesn’t do fan service well.. alot of the dialogue they gave Toby and Andrew was way out of place. I think they messed up bringing in the old Spider-Man and should’ve just focused on a new story for Tom Holland Spider-Man. Think about it, a new villain we’ve never seen before would’ve been better cus rewatching NWH without a theatre of people makes you realize how it isn’t a good movie at all and all the villain quips did not fit in movie form. The MCU in general has a BAD HABIT of quips and jokes which make earlier marvel projects seem like masterpieces. Rewatch all early marvel movies like RAIMIS trilogy, X-men, and the first MCU movies and you’ll realize they had more depth and serious tone which made the films an enjoyable watch. It’s now become a clown fest in which characters like Toby end up getting trash dialogue just for him to “return” and yay fans eat it up. Don’t even get me started on phase 4 and the amount of shows and movies they’ve took out which has made the MCU a complete mess. I like marvel but they got to get their shit together
@@moisesvirgen7711 I agree, compare the characters of the MCU to the other movies villains and even the other spiderman, its completely different in tone.
@@moisesvirgen7711 how was the dialogue out of place? you literally just say " oh it's bad" without explaining why? the dialogue was perfectly in character for all spider men and like he said in the video the fanservice furthers the progression rather than hinder it.
If I were making the movies I would get rid of the time travel plot, and instead make the stones work like dragon balls from Dragon ball z, and a power bar from a video game. With the Dragon Balls, you collect them and make a wish. Once you've made a wish, the Dragon balls disappear and scatter across the universe to be searched for again. And with a power bar, you run out of power the more moves you do. Bigger moves make you run out faster. So Thanos could get a certain amount of usage out of the stones, but a big move that would affect the entire universe would make him run out of time with the stones. The stones would disappear and scatter across the universe. Then in Endgame, they just trace the energy signatures and collect the stones to bring everyone back. I'd have Thor be the one to snap.
Would have made Thor an overprotective king, and married to Lady Sif. Then in the 4th film he could have children of his own, and have to face off against Gorr.
As for Hulk, I would have shown him living a better life as Professor Hulk. Then suddenly Hulk wants out. Now Banner is having to fight for control. He is slowly losing control. You could show what kind of life he would be giving up if he lost control. Then at the end he chooses to lose control(World War Hulk style) at the end and rematches Thanos. He could have distracted him, so the heroes could get the stones. That could have set the tone for the next phase.
Bruh I've been saying this for YEARS!
He's just waiting
Just sitting there.
Fake boobs is such a great metaphor for awful modern CGI LOL
True. I don't think I've ever seen fake boobs that were an improvement.
"You call those Effects practical? Those are not practical. They're lies!!!"
Who uses them?She-Hulk?
With every major franchise, fan service has now become a priority.
TBH The only point I agree with you on is the fan service of all women in Endgame forced into one scene.
And it didn't make sense, because they made Captain Marvel OP, so the other women were unnecessary. Every time I see that scene, I think "Why are you all here? You serve no purpose."
@@begoodjohnny1866 Yeah like honestly small scenes with people like Okoyoea and Nat helping wanda us fine, show one or two moments like those not well... this
@@begoodjohnny1866 I still remember Peter being all "How're you gonna get through THAT?" after Captain Marvel just canonballed Thanos' dreadnought.
Yes, Clone Wars animation is one of the best media. It gave us the Anakin we wanted and Asoka who we didn't know we wanted but turned out to an amazing character.
Honest to God the only thing I felt with your MCU comparison is that you like one more than the other. The plot of both films is extremely contrived and illogical and require immense suspension of disbelief to watch. And they're both doing it to create fanservice. Guilty of the same thing.
@TrainerblueTube not defending the movie, but the overall plot makes a shit ton more sense when it was revealed Multiverse of Madness was supposed to come out first, with America Chavez being the one to attempt to clear Peter Parker’s name.
@TrainerblueTube I wish they did man. In another universe maybe
@TrainerblueTube strange has a big ego though, so I don't see why it's that contrived.
10:30 Those End Cards are a Nice Attention to Detail.
I was not fan serviced in endgame. I didn't like the time travel shit nor did The Hulk smash.
Tbh the only thing peter parker learned in no way home was the consequences of his stupidity. He could have easily avoided aunt may's if he hadnt let 4 super villains hang around her
I mean, yeah... but he also saved those five* supervillains. One life versus five. Thus the moral quandary.
@@CountessOfOle You could do that very same quandary without Peter being a complete moron
Joke of the day: people say Tom Holland deserves an Oscar for his role in latest Spiderman movie.
He was the worst aspect and worst spiderman in it
@@jonathansoko1085 amen.
@@jonathansoko1085 L opinion
@@THC_10 L opinion
@@jonathansoko1085 W opinion.
God I hate when the heroes fight with their masks off...like we want to see super heroes not the identities. Thanos waiting is not out of character he obviously isn't expecting him and he has not been reduced to destroy everything he admits that his plans are being thwarted and sees that people are ungrateful hence the heel turn. He's always been like that he just didn't expect to lose in the previous movie.
He didn't give them time he was not aware they were snapped back and he was in a ship...far away...not that hard to explain... He did rain down on his enemies maybe he didn't want to kill his own people until he had to.
I liked Endgame because Thanos lost. Fuck him.
Film's don't like working around the mild problem of the audience not seeing the character's faces. It is the same reasons why space suits always have lights shining into the character's faces, which should make it impossible for them to see anything in a dark room.
the ending gave incel vibes Cut that out 🗣
Better call saul’s “fan service” serves the story. And expands on it. Didn’t feel like fan service
Peter Parker is from Queens not Brooklyn! (Steve Rogers, Becky and Miles Morales are from Brooklyn)
Disney calling out racist, sexist, homophobic fans? The sad truth is some fans are racist, sexist, homophobic but........."Hit dogs will holler!" What does a Hit dog Holler mean? "Hit dog comes from the expression a hit dog will holler, meaning that a very defensive reaction to an accusation can be an admission of guilt."
I've never actually met racist fans. I keep hearing about them though online
@@jonathansoko1085 The anonymity that being online allows, tends to let people show their true colors. czcams.com/video/lnczokOnWjg/video.html
So, in your opinion, what is the perfect movie?
Like in concept or you looking for specific examples?
@@MyNameisCameron Examples actually, it'll be awesome if you make a video on this topic.
@@officialuddi Yeah. The idea has gotten me thinking. There is no "perfect" movie but the idea of what makes a "good" or "great" film would make for a really good video.
@@MyNameisCameron Hmm
@@MyNameisCameron But which type of movies should we call perfect?
This is what gets easily persuaded normies and people who are simping for this stuff to go from a mediocre to “amazing” film. It bugs me so much. Write the movie and put thing in there that make sense. Don’t tease people with what’s next or what could happen or scenes that magically make it better.
Lmao, the ending.
Is it fan service when it's a major plot point? The Spiderman example and the Endgame time travel, those all were plot relevant so I don't know if I would call them fan service...
I remember when people enjoyed fan service instead of bitching about it lol. It’s called fan service for a reason not everything can be last Jedi .
I'd take everything being The Last Jedi over everything being The Rise of Skywalker any day.
Both extremes of merely fulfilling audience expectations and merely subverting audiences expectations have an inherent problem, which is that neither one is actually creative. It doesn't mean you can't have any fan service or subversion at all, but if you let it compromise your creativity the story suffers.
Sometimes fanservice goes too far and ruins characters' development and the plot's point.
Faxx
In my opinion No Way Home was pretty much nothing but fam service. I freaking hate the Jon Watts Spider-Man movies
Spiderman nwh is bad too much fan service that why i hate it they give us 3 spiderman like spiderman 3 give us 3 villain
Can someone say game of thrones?
That outro was cringe but good vid nfs
KID FROM QUEENS NOT BROOKLYN RHEEEEEEEEE!!!
The cheese of the original trilogy worked for the time
Ehhhh, I dunno.
Even as a 7-yr old, when the first Spiderman movie came out, I felt something was a little tone deaf about "We'll meet again, Spiderman!"
Even as a kid, I'd heard lines like that mocked and said ironically in cartoons.
@Mayeur000Donz you're right but again I think the director struck a good balance with the first two films and it was new. The good experimentation with CBM was in effect with Spiderman, blade, xmen, batman begins, punisher. It was light and fun with enough comic book call back and serious moments. It was worthy at the time.
The star wars prequels is the best trilogy. Change my mind
It's your opinion but hell nah
It's so bad that it's so good😂💀
@@kuzi6466 bugging. Empire strikes back is overrated but thats just me
@@kmartbruh622 Ok cool
I think my ranking of the main trilogy is this episode 8, 9 they are both awful they are pointless as well episode 7 it's fine just a retread of episode 4 then episode 5 it's ok not that good or bad then episode 2 attack of the clones it's enjoyable got great action scenes and count doku is a neat addition and Anakin is cool in this movie too love Hayden Christensen really underrated as an actor then episode 1 phantom menace is enjoyable love ewan McGregor as obi one in this film Darth maul is just badass just wish he was fleshed out more but he was in the clone wars show so next one is episode 4 the classic it's a new hope it's great nothing else to say next episode 6 it's so good it's the best it's great it got great acting great fights and good story next is the best episode 3 it's balls to the walls action Hayden Christensen just goes all in so does ewan McGregor the duel on mustafar is the best in all the star wars movie it's great padme is played perfectly by the wonderful Natalie Portman and it's got great cinimatography
in no way home the green goblin was honestly completely butchered
the green goblin is supposed to be willam dafoe but without all the morals n shit holding him back
in no way home green goblin is just a completely different character from willam, and it feels like the writers missed the entire point
Or maybe, and hear me out here, maybe "fan service" is just an inescapable thing that will alway occur no matter what. And not only that, but who carres if there is fan service in a movie. If something is bad, it is so because of writing or directing or anything else that drives the movie.
She-hulk has tons of fan service, and no one gives a crap about it. I understand where you are coming from by basically comparing fan service to dangling a bunch of keys infront of the fans faces, but fan service (especially in a TIME TRAVEL movie) is impossible to avoid. And I don't see how fan service is a bad thing at all. Even in Multiverse of Madness. Like what do u think they were supposed to do, make up new characters when Marvel has all the source material in the world to pull from.
Terrible video that contradicted itself or didn't correlate with one example to another.
Cope on dude. You're mad that the thing you love have issues and can't handle people talking about it 😂
Endgame really doesn't suck....I may need to create counter arguments to Fringey's video though.
The time travel rules in this move aren't demolished by the writers.
The consequences that come with time travel are there.
It feeling like a collection of the mcu's greatest hits is intentional and is good fan service with how it's important to go to those places to get the stones.
It didn't feel drawn out and tedious...or at least it didn't feel that drawn out.
There wasn't any honest trailer cinemasins mcu type joke/observation.
The only example of forced fan service in the final battle is the "girl power" scene.
the final charge scene isn't forced fan service. There isn't any moments of stupidity on the characters parts in order to have this moment exist. No Way Home didn't have any of that either.
Thanos isn't waiting...he was just in pure shock and awe.
That isn't a fall from the version in Infinity War who thought that dividing the universe's population in half would fix everything....how was Thanos brilliant?
Again Thanos was shocked and in awe at seeing them...even if he didn't give them time it would still take time for him to rally his force and by the time his forces would be charging they would have been ready to attack his forces anyways.
If he used that massive spaceship to rain fire on them A. that wouldn't hurt all of them as characters like Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Thor, Dr Strange, etc can all fly, and B. that will hurt his own army too who mostly can't fly. Same with the big epic shot....they can still fly and Thanos's army would get hurt too.
Eh....the Star Wars prequels really aren't bad though.
Endgame (and the Mandalorian too and Clone Wars season 7) will never EVER crumble and wither away and they are not doomed to be remembered as nothing more then a superficial attempt to distract audiences from the lazy and horrendous writing as that's not what Endgame, Mandalorian, and Clone Wars season 7 are at all.
Endgame really did suck from a writers stand point
@@robert_6-_896 no it did not
@@dimensionzone8048 how so 😐
@@dimensionzone8048 it absolutely sucked
You won't be able to share your love of Endgame with your kids. To be able to enjoy it, your kids should watch 30 other movies first, what they obviously won't do. Endgame was the first MCU movie I saw, but I switched it off after 20 minutes because it does't have too much to offer to people who didn't see the other 20 movies. It's just boring. Then I watched Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and it was a fun and touching movie even for someone who didn't see the first part let alone other MCU films. Fan service killed Endgame. Already the next generation won't watch it because it's meaningless on its own.
misogyny at the end caught me off guard
exactly. it's so hard to find a reviewer that doesn't expose themselves. hope he improves and doesn't go full misogynist cuz i like his points on the writing. a bit iffy on his points automatically making diversity out to be bad
It’s a family guy reference????
Jokes:
Lol
Something tells me you wouldn't have called it misandry if he was talking about jocks that peaked in high school
But now it's misogyny huh ?
@@olabassey3142 right? agreed with everything beforehand but what the fuck was the end about? sounds like someone got rejected in high school and never got over it
Then honestly, don't watch the damn show lmao. I'm having a great time watching allllllll this shit people are saying is ass.