The MCU Has Been Taking Us For Granted.
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Schaff and the MCU are drifting apart. Oh well.
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“Stories are meant to have an ending. “
Unfortunately, most popular franchises in media don’t get that luxury anymore.
Is that also why we are getting so many free to play games as a service?
@@6bambolbi6 games as a service makes more money. instead of asking consumers to pay $60-80+ all at once, use psychology to persuade them to spend $10 here and there. the majority might only spend as little as $5, but you'll have enough people spending hundreds to make up for it and then some. skins and emotes are much easier to make than "actual" DLC.
Last night I was watching a emkay video, there was this post that said Jurassic park should've ended after one movie. I agree with that
well you can have an ending and have a bunch of prequels
@@dutchvanderlinde4722 red dead 2 was a prequels
It wasn’t always terrible, but it was always doomed to stop being good.
Hey! Can Schaffrillas do a video of either ranking Kirby final bosses or a Grevious and Sid episode part two where they reference Sid the sloth in Encanto.
Problem is I’m fine with the mcu going on after endgame but what is the goal what is the goal? I mean look as like the idw transformers comics they had multiple stories after the main war between the autobots and dept icons ended, they didn’t just do lazy repeats of everything before, no they introduced new characters, new dynamics and stories. If the mcu is to go on, then have a point.
I don't hate the idea of it going on after Endgame. I even like the idea of introducing new characters after the original Avengers have either died or retired. The problem is the newer characters aren't as memorable or even have the best writing.
Imo it was always formulaic garbage. Except for Infinity War
@@leviticusprime4904 Holy crap, I wasn’t expecting IDW Transformers to be mentioned in here of all places. But I wholeheartedly agree on that.
As for "but Phase 1 wasn't great either," there's a difference between just being bad, and something being lifeless.
There's a clear difference between something that clearly aimed high but failed in execution, and something that is just a rushed and lazily made product.
Fucking exactly! Phase 1 felt like someone trying to find their balance. Phase 4 feels like some farm hand shoveling manure into my mouth and wondering why I don't like when the edge hits my teeth.
THIS. THIS EXACTLY. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUT THAT INTO WORDS ABOUT WHY MOST BIG MOVIES SEEM HOPELESS NOW. Although I disagree and think phase 1 was good, there were times when there would be long stretches of shitty movies, but it didnt make me dislike hollywood during those times like I do now. Not only are most movies bad, they are formulaic and take zero risks.
Every single one is a shitty cookie cutter of the last. Some movies are REALLY great (like puss in boots), but it's just not the same as it used to be, where you'd get a mix of good and bad movies.
the worst movie in phase 1 is probably thor 2011, but it also has iron man 1, which is phenomenal, avengers 2012, great movie, captain america, damn solid movie. compare that to the absolute flood of content we've gotten for phase four, and how MANY of the shows/movies range from "it was okay i guess" to "i hated it, wouldn't watch it again". there's also zero indication that the thoughtless planning we're seeing now is ever going to lead us to something truly amazing, like winter soldier, while in phase one with avengers 2012, you knew there was a solid, ambitious plan behind it all.
@@a_deadman_with_questions let me guess, you think subjectively she hulk is a masterpiece, dont ya?
@@a_deadman_with_questions oh ok, great point!
I once heard someone describe phase 4 and 5 as "finishing up the side quests after completing the main story" and I couldn't have said it better myself
This isn't even the side quests, it's the shitty after the fact dlc "quests" made only to make more money.
That sounds accurate.
Difference being that I have fun engaging with the side quests
While necessarily disagree, it does make sense when despite leaving cliffhangers in their movies (even though most of their movies were literally in a broken structure) the Infinity Saga was good because it had a self contained story within each phase… for the most part-you see how bad i explain the good things about the Infinity Saga without criticizing it.
That's what I've always said. Phase 4 and beyond feels like the postgame.
from “we’re taking the mcu for granted” to “the mcu has been taking us for granted”
that is kung fu panda 2 level character development
Po solos Thanos even with all Infinity Stones
@Budwig van Leethoven maybe
ARE YOU KUNG FU PANDA FANBOY FROM TWIT
@Budwig van Leethoven yea
@@bigneeyman yes
(I'm in an animation school) We had a guy who worked on infinity war and wonder woman come over and talk about his work. His contract said he'd be working 40-50 hours a week, but the norm turned into 70-80 hours a week. It's absolutely miserable. If they complain they will constantly be threatened with the fact they're replaceable and will lose their job
That really sucks
I mean that can be true theyre replacable, but we shouldnt let these big companies just stomp all over us
Yes, as I've seen someone else point out, this is the crux of the problem.
Animators are being overworked and underpaid.
And we're seeing the results rn.
@@theh5099 animation is extremely difficult and a long process. We say computer generated as if an ai made it but in reality it's the exact same principles as more cartooony animation even more difficult to some extent
That's the animation industry for ya. (or multimedia industry in general)
"Let's just assume She-Hulk is a 10/10 masterpiece."
*Let's don't.*
It was much better than the Fragile Broflakes said it was.
@@ShadowSonic2 Yeah, and Pupa is the best anime of the century.
@@drakegrandx5914 Never seen it
@@ShadowSonic2 You may not want to.
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@@ShadowSonic2 fr it wasn't anything but it was enjoyable enough..
My love for Shang Chi was honestly just because I’m a Chinese American. In my family, it was our black Panther. Even though I can see the flaws, it’s still my favorite phase 4 movie.
It was a completely serviceable film. Something that I had no problem watching and then watching again recently and still enjoying. And honestly, that's typically where even the best MCU films have been. Not terrible, but not amazing. Really, the main thing the MCU has brought to the history of Cinema is its nature as one of the largest multimedia projects in history.
Shang-Chi is my favourite too, and I’m Australian
@@Bustermachine It would be a decent film if you removed Awkwafina and Ben Kingsley. Both their characters are painfully unfunny and make it hard to even watch the movie. Also they changed Mandarin to no longer be a super genius who's intelligence rivals Tony Stark which was lame. Should have still had him be a genius like the comics.
Im latino and im definitely not waiting for a spanish speaking superhero specifically from my country to represent my culture. Im sure they'd screw it up anyways.
@@galanakagalactus903 oh 100%, mightve been decent to me if she wasn't involved. Added nothing to the story other than a cheap killshot at the end even though she'd never touched a weapon in her life. She was consistently an annoying and obnoxious character throughout the whole movie
The MCU used to be an event, now it’s a homework assignment
Fax
This is getting out of hand, now the bots are making fun of bots
God, this is the most accurate summary of Phase 4. Because even if you don’t hate it, it still feels like work. I feel like I’m on the positive end of judging Phase 4, but it has gotten so hard to keep up. I haven’t even started She-Hulk yet…
It was always homework assignment. Tip for film writers: serialisation doesn't work for films the same way it does for TV. It isn't good narrative design if you have to watch one film that might seem inconsequential and is most likely average to understand another (cough, Ant Man and the Wasp, cough)
Agreed
I love when he referred to them as "products" and not films or shows, because that's all they are at this point
Exactly what i was thinking lmao
I noticed that as well
I don't see that.
Most of them. Not all of them
That's all they have ever been.
This really has helped me understand my burnout with the MCU. I like a lot of the things they put out but there are just… far too many things
@Souven Tudu it's over saturating the media we consume in the mcu, which makes each piece of content lower in quality but higher in quantity
First episode of moonknight is pretty heat. I think everyone that dislikes it already know what is “wrong” with Steven, but if you go in blind, it’s pretty compelling
its not a half bad show but it is safe and rushed at the end
The most interesting thing to come out of phase 4 was that show
@@bans2123 definitely rushed at the end, first episode and penultimate episode was the best
I really liked the Soundtrack
i enjoyed pretty much all of moon knight. only thing that i enjoyed a bit less was the last episode because they had to wrap up everything in a short amount of time and even if it felt a bit rushed i think it still stuck the landing. pretty much the only marvel show/movie that piqued my interest since guardians of the galaxy vol 2
"We've been taking the MCU for granted"
"The MCU has been taking us for granted'
Now all we need is, "Granted has been taking us for the MCU" and the trilogy will be complete!
And then "Granted has been taking the MCU for Us"
And then “We have granted been taking the MCU”
Finally “We have been granted the MCU”
Postfinally "We've been taking granted for the MCU"
@@eleazar9677 the unnecessary 4th sequel equivalent to the 4th phase after endgame.
in the words of bojack horseman, “you can’t have a happy ending, because if everyone’s happy then the show’s over, and above all else, the show has to keep going”
we love bojack horseman. i would have finished the show, had my dad not outlaw me from watching it anymore years ago (i got to like, season 3 or 4)
if i wanted to finish it now, i'd have to rewatch all 5 seasons, which idk if that's a win or a loss, since it's a really good show, but i also wanna watch chicago fire since dick wolf dramas have taken over my life at this point.
@@auliamate why did your dad not let you watch it? are you a kid?
@@lesigh3410 Duh, it's an adult show, cartoon does not equal for kids XD
@@dewolf123 they’re asking why the dad didn’t let them watch it, because if they were a kid, they wouldn’t be allowed to
@@wolfeevi Oh ok
I'm so glad that this review doesn't do the cliche "The MCU is bad now because it adheres to minorities blah blah feminism blah blah woke blah". Like there are actual critiques that should be taken with this Phase and as usual Schaffrillas explains it properly and clearly with understanding of different opinions
Right? Phase 4 was terrible, but not specifically because it tried to give representation. You can still make great stories with “woke feminism blah blah” (See: Arcane), what’s important is doing it and the plot justice.
I hate hate hate that I fell into that crap for so long and believed politics was what's wrong with MCU phase 4, why can't they just criticize the writing instead and not be all wah woke wah feminism like you said.
IK right? So many people say it’s the “wokeness” that killed the mcu, but it’s so much more than that, and stuff can be on either side of the political spectrum, but it’s about the writing, dialogue, action, etc. not what it’s politics are.
What are you all talking about? Writing can be bad. Writing can be political. It can also be bad and political. The later MCU fits in that final category.
Judging it for being propaganda and for bad writing are both legitimate takes.
@@twrecks6279 you’re fighting air rn. No one said media couldn’t be judged for being over political. What we are saying is that people always say it’s the diversity, feminism, politics, etc. that made the mcu bad. When I’m reality it is not that at all. There are so many reasons the mcu failed and the projects were bad. None of those reasons were primarily it’s politics.
After I saw the first avengers movie at the midnight release, I thought "this was so good where are they going to go from here?" because I thought the team up between just those first 6 avengers was such a huge thing. Seeing them in New York during the final battle, stood in a circle preparing for more of their huge fight against the chitari as the camera circles around them and their iconic theme music plays, gave me all of the chills and goosebumps. I remember the theater cheering at that exact moment. So naturally, the final battle in Endgame made me want to cry. It was such a perfect ending that took the amazing feelings from the first avengers movie and turned them up to 11. Phase 4 just has not made me feel the same way as I've felt at any point in the infinity saga. It all feels so disconnected, there wasn't really any big team ups, and a lot of the writing was pretty disappointing
I mean, that is because they are starting all over to bring the build up and then that team up for the big movie. A cycle if you will 😂
And to be honest. How do you even up endgame? If you think about it most of Marvels popular characters got used and eventually ditched after endgame that not only had best characters but also the advantage of novelty as a crossover movie of its type. There is still fantastic 4 and X-men to use for bigger future buildup but eh. Even if done correctly it would be hard to grow larger from endgame. But half assing it just becomes sad.
bro Endgame was the end of the Infinity Saga. The Infinity Saga also had horrible movies like "Thor The Dark Kingdom" or "The incredible Hulk". Captain Marvel wasn't popular either. I don't understand why people think Marvel is getting worse. It is just that they bring more to the screen then in the past. And there are a lot of great movies like Spider-Man 2 & especially 3, Shang-Chi and Wakanda Forever. People are also saying that Black Widow or Shang-Chi became horrible at the end of the movie and thats the reason why this Phase sucks. Guess what. Black Panther 1 final fight was also horrible, but people LOVE this movie. All those Marvel-Fans are just biased about anything that comes after Endgame. You have to get other it, that they won't stop until they don't make money out of this. You can complain later when Avengers Kang Dystasty and Avengers Secret Wars REALLY sucks (and "sucks" doesn't mean that it ain't as good as Endgame. It's understandable that it's hard to make an even greater masterpiece).
Then your voice will be heard.
@@danielkoch8736 absolutely agree! I wasn't even a massive fan of Shang Chi but I cant deny its a fun movie. I'd go as far to say phase four isn't the worst phase. If I'm being honest I diddnt think Age of ultron was that great. Everybody seems to have forgotten that the CGI in black panther was terrible in the end, but the film is still great so they forgot it.
Phase 4 is phase 1 again so people can't stand it. Don't get me wrong phase one is far better because it's the beginning, but people need to realise that nostalgia has a massive part to play in that
@Souven Tudu Thor 2 is called "The Dark Kingdom" in Germany for some reason. And don't shame me for typos btw. Not my native language.
And I also think that Thor 2 wasn't that bad (even though the villian was horrible), but I refer to popularity. The most people will say that Thor 2 sucks and is the worst Thor movie. And Thor 3 is litarally the most popular Thor movie. I'm not saying this. This is the opinion of the most people.
What you said, is your own opinion and doesn't represent the the common opinion.
Don't forget the part where Marvel forgot to tell their VFX studios that they were going to release Endgame a month sooner than planned and the studios only found out from news sources.
I mean that's not Phase 4 related, so it doesn't really fit in with the main thesis of the video.
@@matthewhunter1193 stil interesting
awesome!
"A delayed game might eventually be good, but a rushed game is bad forever" -Sun Tzu, the Art of War
“My brother never said that”
-Moon Tzu, the Art of Peace
“What the hell is happening”
- Earth Tzu, the Art of Being Neutral
"Hell is the happening, What"
-Sky Tzu, the Art of Chaos
A delayed movie is eventually bad, but a rushed movie is good forever - Disney mindset
"Long ago, the 4 Tzu's lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Sky Tzu attacked"
-Avatzu, The last Artbender
Back then, watching MCU other movies would only grant you the knowledge of knowing and discovering an easter egg on each movie. But now, every other movies and TV series have become mandatory picks to watch for the sake of knowing what the hell is going on the other movies.
100%, people say Phase 1 was bad but at least they were actual movies and not just interconnected MCU content, like Iron Man 1, Captain America TFA, and Thor 1 can all be watched as stand alone movies, try doing that with phase 4 and it feels like you only watched half a film.
Basically, Tolkien vs Victor Hugo
The MCU has some great ideas for Phase 4 but it's capitalizing way too much on FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out). You have to watch so much to stay updated and it's getting tiring, and even moreso out of the fact that they're really not connected that well.
Kinda reminds me of Kingdom Hearts in that way. You are not allowed to miss a single installment, even if it seems like 95% of it is irrelevant, because 5% of it will be on the test and those questions are weighted.
And I don’t like feeling like I have to STUDY to make sense of a franchise. Didn’t like it with Kingdom Hearts, and I don’t like it with MCU.
How does your points even connect? How do you have to "stay updated" but at the same time, the movies do not connect well? Isn't that literally a contradiction?
Like literally the only movie that really is a continuation in Phase 4 was Doctor Strange and NWH. The others are essentially stand alones that you don't really require much context to know about. Sure, Loki Thor, etc might have some backstory, but that's always been the basis of MCU movies.
@@kaz7690 I said not connected _well._ Not that they're not connected at all. There was a ton of complaining that you had to watch WandaVision to understand parts of this movie.
And yes while the rest of the movies are pretty much not connected at all, Marvel's always been a series that forges connections between movies, that's the whole reason it's a cinematic universe, so they're gonna do _something_ with it, likely an Avengers style thing again. That makes it even worse they're badly connected now.
There's way too much to watch. I can't keep up.
@@mop2420 You're so right, leading up to the release of KH3 I experienced Birth By Sleep through cutscenes and 99% of it was unimportant Disney stuff and 1% actual KH story, I watched Kingdom Hearts Union X before playing KH3 and I was like why is this important 😭😭the MCU really is just like that now
I spent about three weeks early this year trying to get caught up on all the MCU stuff and then I took a break to watch Ted Lasso instead and was instantly like “wait… watching this show doesn’t feel like a chore. I forgot what that felt like”
It's kind of how I feel about the internet now that I found a website that isn't weighed down by algorithms. My thought process was the same as yours. "Huh. No unwarranted misery? I can actually curate my posts? Wow. I forgot what happiness felt like."
@@eatatjoes6751 I'm curious, what website is that?
@Eat at Joe’s Did you discover Newgrounds too?
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@@eatatjoes6751 what site?
''We've been taking MCU for granted.''
''The MCU has been taking us for granted.''
Now that, is character growth.
(Edit) What the hell, two thousand likes? On my random comment which looks like it was straight ripped from the top comment... While my 500 word review comments barely get any recognition.
Looks like he followed his own guide on how to make a perfect sequel
Character shrinkage
More character growth than most MCU tv shows
Wouldn't character growth be him changing his mind on the first three phases, too?
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To me, Moon Knight was sensational in most ways. It didn't feel like the MCU at all, and explored incredibly emotional themes
We've reached the point where the best MCU content doesn't feel like the MCU at all 😂😂 more Moon Knight-like series please...
I really hope we get a moon knight season 2 😭😭
my biggest problem with marvel since phase 4 started is we don't get time to breathe. There's constant new things coming out and marvel isnt this thing you need to keep up with anymore. 1 new movie every year or every few years is fine, anyone can really keep up with that but i've found myself skipping more and more marvel content each release
The funny thing is that Eternals is the exact opposite of the other stuff, because in my opinion, it should have been a series, with every episode fleshing out the story of one individual Eternal while also showing how they influenced humanity in different time periods. That would have been fun. But instead we got an extremly long movie that was so difficult to watch because the story felt so cramped in and many things felt so lost across the way. And the runtime, oh boy. I watched the movie with a friend in theatre, and I literally slept through half of the finale. But when I asked my friend who had been awake for the whole time, he had no clue either. And yes, the "first love making scene" in the MCU was extremly underwhelming, but thats actually a good thing and predictable considering there were multiple 13 or so year olds in the room with us.
The movie was beyond boring and couldn't make me care about any of the characters. I literally saw it two hours ago and still can't remember half their names. I agree, it should have been a series, where you get early episodes to actually learn who these characters are.
Hey! Can Schaffrillas do a video of either ranking Kirby final bosses or a Grevious and Sid episode part two where they reference Sid the sloth in Encanto.
@@emoji3266 He in fact can! Whether he does or not is an entirely different thing though, as is this reply to the comment.
Everyone keeps saying this but you’re truly delusional if you think the cgi would look half as good as a tv show.
It simply shouldn’t have happened.
I watched the movie on PC and I got so bored I skipped half the movie to the finale, and I don't think making it a series would do anything as I believe the core problem is the dog crap writing, dull villains and that convoluted conclusion, excluding of course the many, many plot holes in the movie.
PS : the love making scene is pure cringe and reinforced my idea that I should stop watching it.
It’s crazy how in one year people’s perception of the MCU has drastically changed
@Deadpool.
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I'm honestly just glad that the Infinity saga had a great ending. It would have hurt a lot more if Endgame was as mediocre as what they are pumping out nowadays. Same with Logan, a great movie to mark the end of the X-man movies. They may still be making sub par sequels and reboots and what not but until they actually put some effort and make good movies again, I consider both the MCU and X-men finished.
Yeah, people are pretty shortsighted like that
Hey! Can Schaffrillas do a video of either ranking Kirby final bosses or a Grevious and Sid episode part two where they reference Sid the sloth in Encanto.
Yeah right?
I willingly sat through Ant-Man and the Wasp, just because I liked Ant-Man
scotts character was so lovable and funny
I keep all of my movie stubs and I have one for ant man and the wasp but I hardly remember any of it. The villain was a very pretty girl (I think zoe kravitz?) who could phase between dimensions or some shit? That's all I remember. Idk if that says more about me or the movie LMAO
same but i was dragged to it without watching the first and i had no fucking clue what was happening
Legit the only thing still keeping me here is Ant-Man. Maybe Loki S2 too. I'd also list Dr. Strange but MoM was such a letdown. Basically the quantum-related people.
I mean Ant-Man is the best avenger.
I kind of felt like Endgame should've been the finale to the franchise too.
Imagine those poor souls who saw the success and quality of the MCU while it was at it's peak and thought "I want to be a part of that!" So they worked long and hard for a long time to achieve that goal. When they finally reached it, they were crushed with the weight of the constant overworking and crap quality of what they're making. Honestly, screw disney for essentially torturing their employees so they could churn out something so bad not even die-hard fanboys want to see it.
I hope those poor souls manage to unionise, the vfx industry is one of the largest not unionised industries
Please they'll be thrown in prison before they even get the chance to think of it
I hope we finally reform IP laws to stop companies from owning half of all franchises to ever exist. Seriously, 70 years is an insult.
@@Testimony_Of_JTF Bot apocalypse going on right now
I mean the MCU started to show it’s cracks with Age of Ultron. Nothing good lasts forever
Schaff having better character development than the average MCU movie lmao
@The wock begone bot
Yeah. There’s about 10 characters that got development. Maybe.
because Schaff is a real person with real likeable traits about him
have you actually seen the mcu (phase 1-3)
@@fantasticbirdblue yeah but phase 4? Jesus christ
Moon Knight is honestly one of my favorite things from Phase 4 if not my number 1 favorite thing. I didnt just love it as a Marvel show but just as a show in general. I feel like it can stand on its own (as someone who isnt familiar with the comics) and I loved it for that, that it wasnt trying to blend in with the MCU and was just wanting to tell its own story without feeling the need to make references or have familiar characters or names show up. It hooked me from the first episode. I have a little crochet Moon Knight doll in front of my tv. It gave me one of my all time favorite songs (El Melouk from one of the outros). Honestly one of my favorite Marvel properties now.
That being said: I mostly agree with you here. I think the MCU is getting really saturated for no reason right now (although obviously the reason is money). While I still generally at least like the stuff coming out (because ive been watching it all) it doesnt feel like a special thing anymore. It used to be id look forward to the one or two movies that were coming out that year and itd be a special occasion. My husband and i would go to the theaters and itd be a lot of fun, wed make a date out of it. Now theres always something out and while I like the tv shows (i actually really enjoyed She-Hulk that just ended) its not really something that I get overly excited about in anticipation anymore, since things are getting pumped out, theres more weaker moments and its not quite as consistent as it used to be and thats obviously because people are being overworked to work on these productions. I pretty much love everything from Iron Man to Endgame, theres a couple I think are mediocre but i would always say 'mediocre for the MCU is still good and i can still watch and enjoy those multiple times over'. But there are a couple things in Phase 4 that i dont feel the need to ever watch again even though i generally enjoyed everything.
MK wasn’t perfect but I quite liked it. I feel like it would have been a lot stronger as an 8-10 episode series, though.
Moon Knight is actually one of my favorite things to come out of the Marvel franchise ever. I adored like every second of it...mostly cause it didn't feel like Marvel. This is honestly a terrifying epiphany about the way Marvel is headed because this franchise was my "thing." I saw movies on opening nights, I have merch, and I've watched some of these movies SO many times, but now...my favorite thing is the show that doesn't even feel like Marvel. It's been I think over a month since the new Black Panther movie came out and I haven't even had the passing urge to watch it :/
I agree with everything else tho
Moon Knight is still marvel. So you like it just fine bro.
Same thing with Loki tbh, the time travel philosophy and theorizing the problems of time travel in the sense of someone like Kane trying to take over was really refreshingly new and didn't feel like MCU.
As someone who has is familiar with Moon Knight comics. It’s my least favourite adaptation in the MCU
For me, phase 4 felt like pirates of the Caribbean 4 and 5, but instead of 2 movies they made 16.
They made pirates of the Carribean 5??
@@ventibarbatos3463 unfortunately yes. It was pretty bad(not as much as 4 though)
Phase 5. DO YOU HEAR ME? 5!!!! They made 5 of this. Pixar couldn’t make 5 movies out of their franchisees. Not even toy story.
Star Wars may have 11 movies under their belt and most of them maybe terrible, but at least 5 of them are filling in backstory instead of prolonging a story that has no reason to continue whatsoever!
Me after finding out that disney is churning out a toy story 5:😳
That sums it up for me. And god was the first 3 (aka the only 3 in my eyes) so good.
I understand the popular opinion on 4 though because of some scenes like the Fountain of Youth I quite like it myself
I would seriously love for someday for the visual effects artists to rightfully do a walk out strike for just how bad they are being mistreated in the SFX field.
Why don’t you do it for them since you suggested it? I’d think they wu really appreciate it.
@@fofexcodex207 I don’t live in California
I've been told that one of the reasons for this is that the VFX artists are one of the only technical fields in the film industry that isn't unionized. That may or may not be true, so take that as you will
the shitty product that has been delivered has brought more attention to the issue than a strike could
on the other hand, now that the public is well aware maybe it's the right time to walk out
hey...what if we all half-ass our way into the revolution?
@@fofexcodex207 do you know what a strike is? How is anyone going to go on strike "for" the vfx artists?
I agree for the most part, but I do think Moon Knight worked really well as a show. It built up the mystery nicely before the grand reveal(s)
And it felt far from a boring cash grab, you can tell the people worked on it really cared about it
I kinda felt like the plot was a tad transparent and it’s representation of DID inconsistent but, I enjoyed it as a TV show.
@@mrbork7218 That's fair enough. I'm not really in any position to judge their representation of DID, so I'll have to take your word on that
for me moon knight has a very great buildup but the finale was rushed as hell
@@mrbork7218 i really liked its protrayal of DID until the very end, where it feels like he "unlocked" rapid switching. i had to roll my eyes. otherwise, i felt like it was fine and a very sympathetic, beauty story about the mental illness, which we definitely need more of; not that it didn't have its flaws from a writing standpoint, of course.
My biggest issue with the newer MCU installments is that they don't really pay attention to each other, or even themselves most of the time. They make up rules or things that are supposed to be concrete in the universe, and immediately ignore or break those rules. I get that its a big undertaking to try and keep all the "rules" of a media universe this large intact across this many properties done by different crews and teams, and even the comics didn't manage to do it all the time. But it still there, and its still annoying.
Like, the biggest issue i found with Multiverse of Madness is it bring up all sorts of questions and problems if you actually listen to its own dialogue or pay attention to the other movies
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They say that having a multiverse copy of a person in a different multiverse than the one they are from originally, causes all kinds of universal structure issues and stuff will start to fall apart.
They then immediately play the feel good heart string angle of "Don't worry America, your parents are probably fine, they aren't in any real danger because you teleported them to a different Multiverse, they're just somewhere else waiting for you or trying to get home." - but the movie just told us that the fact they're somewhere else means they're absolutely dead.
Unless they somehow managed to find a way to Multiverse hop and are journeying back home? In which case they're leaving a trail of dead universes - and trillions of people - behind them, because the movie also says that it doesn't matter if you leave, you've already destabilized the universe you were in.
You also get the weird distinction issue between what is a new Timeline vs what is a new Multiverse, since the Shows and Movies paint the ideas as being exactly the same thing just with different phrasing. In which case why hasn't the new replacement Gamora the Guardians picked up in another Timeline (which is in theory also be a new multiverse?) made the universe tip over and die yet?
I believe the mom thing was abt dreamwalking no?
Dr. Strange in the MoM convinced me that not even the writers get enought time to revise their scripts.
originally, Scott Derricksons script was supposed to be the movies script, but they went with Waldrons sh1t-stain of a script instead. Scotts writing had Nightmare to become the main villain while Wanda was somewhat a minor antagonist, leading her to join Doctor Strange in fighting Nightmare. We also got to see Clea and Doctor Voodoo have bigger roles rather than have Clea suddenly show up out of nowhere.
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@@starsneptunexx I'm legitimately so sad to learn that a comic accurate and not bipolar script exists for this movie but wasn't used
@Scott Alleman ???
Dr Strange 2016 was 6 years ago, they had plenty of time.
We're at that point of the toxic relationship with the MCU where we know we should break up but the memories we went through together keep us giving them a second chance lol
omg yes this comment gives me life
totally, not to mention the peer pressure to stay together
I'm so sorry you have a bot
@@Pluto624 I don't know if I can survive this one
couldn't have been said it better
12:02 man this effect from the thor movie literally had me crying of laughter😂😂😂
I'm glad that they stretched Moonknight out as much as they did. I know to the average viewer it may seem like it stretches on for too long, but I'm really glad they took their time with it considering that it is really the first representation of dissociative identity disorder in mainstream media that doesn't paint systems with the disorder as monsters/freaks. For context I'm Jewish and have dissociative identity disorder, just like the Moonknight system. I was worried they wouldn't do well handling the representation of DID or Judaism, but they actually did a really good job and I think that's definitely thanks to having more time. It may seem like filler to singlets (people without did/osdd), but we and a lot of other systems really felt seen by Moonknight even if it wasn't perfect. It's so so difficult to accurately show the process of realizing you aren't alone in your head, coming to terms with that, trauma, working towards functional multiplicity, and everything else about such a complex disorder as DID and while they couldn't be 100% accurate, they did a really good job for the most part which we really really need right now. It's such a relief to have something to point to for people to understand our disorder better that isn't a medical journal or an awful movie like Split.
I love the MCU but you are absolutely so correct about everything. Disney is relying WAY too hard on nostalgia. If Marvel slowed down and started focusing on quality over quantity again, they'd be as good as they used to be, but they've gotten greedy and don't care about the audience
The sad thing is that they would make more money too. Maybe not immediately but how people actually buy disney+ subs just to watch mrs marvel or she hulk? Most likely very few.
Avengers 4 made 2.7 billion in box office numbers. But that's because at that point in time they really cared about the story they were telling, even if it was flawed at parts.
Fan service is killing the franchise, fans only care about dumb cameos in every movie.
@@enriquev1271 Wow, well that's about as broad of a statement you could possibly make
Definitely a case where consumerism has gone too far in terms of influencing production
This is the natural consequence of continuing the story after it's finished. You've saved the entire universe, you literally have nowhere to go from here. Saving "the multiverse" doesn't elevate the stakes, it abstracts them.
Ironically enough the MCU has sent Schafrillas into a Joker arc
I literally couldn't have said it better myself
@Bully Maguire 🅥 go away
anyone who is passionate, or in this case *was* passionate about something needs their own joker arc about it lol
That's actually ironic. Well done.
The fact that the youtube spambots now sometimes say "here is the clip : (making fun of bots)" is peak comedy
I've wanted to get into the MCU for ages, but _the mass amount of movies that are often required to understand newer ones_ stops me, because that is so hella daunting and painful to think about.
just watch pre-endgame MCU and you'll be fine. it is daunting, which is why so many of us are jumping ship. the MCU movies are a blast and you can even skip the meh ones if you want and you won't be missing anything that they won't explain in another movie
Just break it into parts, like first watch the iron man movies and then go from there if you really want to. don't think about endgame right now or any of the later movies. the first ones are good!
Mad props to schaff (or his editors) for putting “Freedom and Security” out of all the tracks you could put in
Oh wow, the track that aligns with apathy and homogeneity amongst populaces
I do feel this is Disney+'s fault really, when you have a streaming service you need an endless stream of content, not necessarily good content, just content to fill the service. This is WHY netflix was greenlighting everything in bursts and cancelling them just as fast because advertising 50 new shows a year is great marketing, and it doesn't matter if they're bad, because to the customer it was "free".
Ohhhhh, that makes sense for Netflix. I’ve always been baffled by how quickly they cancel shows and some of them are really good.
@@LoveK1forever salty about the death of Inside Job
To me the MCU is feeling more and more like the comics in the sense that there’s an increasingly high barrier to get into it since there’s so much content and confusing or disconnected story lines. You have to be an avid fan taking a lot of time and money to “keep up” and that’s just not sustainable for a lot of people. It’s fine if that’s your thing but to me, as Schaffe says, it feels like homework.
Can’t wait for the timeline reboot
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I actually think the comics are more accessible to the layman for this reason. In the comics you can enjoy single stories / issues that tie together, graphic novels etc. its like once you understand the character, you can see them in any context. It's like Donald comics used to do. Donald is Donald, even if he's julius Cæsar in this story.
just recommended Superman: Red son (three issue self contained story) to a non comic book reading friend. much easier than recommending a single marvel movie, where there will always be some details that have broader context unbeknownst to the viewer.
Basically yeah
There’s so many different movies and shows out now that it’s impossible to keep track.
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As someone who’s not a fan of MCU i thought the thumbnail was edited until… 1:22 and well 😮
That homework analogy is absolutely bang on.
The fact that Werewolf by Night, a one hour long tv Halloween special that clearly didn’t have as much of a mandate, is probably the most creative thing the MCU has put out this whole phase speaks volumes to how the MCU should utilize Disney Plus moving forward.
Pretty sure the MCU isn't about being the most "creative". They're following pre-existing comic stories.
Definitely didn’t suffer rewrites and reshoots. A few phase 4 movies suffered due to the pandemic. Most notably Doctor Strange MOM, that would of been an entirely different movie. If Sony hadn’t dug their heels in for a December release for Spider-man. Which even that movie would of been different. Werewolf by night got what happens, when marvel takes a chance and pays off. She-hulk had its issues, but the last episode kinda proved there was more to it. Maybe they’ll decide one-hour introductions and not drag on. Hell now I think about it even Falcon and the winter soldier had issues.
@@86LukeM Just by releasing MOM some other time wasn’t gonna change the script. And I don’t get the She-Hulk meta stuff that she says there was no need to start addressing haters from the real world. Just do your thing within the MCU and only give a sh!t about your audience like Ryan’s Deadpool does. And if you wanna do woman empowerment stuff Do it and make it entertaining. People with criticism for the show are coming forward with way more than just Woman bad no woman hulk. There is actual criticism for the show but rather than addressing that they wanna show She-Hulk sh!tting on her haters doing Gottem’ moments. The show fu-ked around a lot and didn’t get to the point until the last episodes. It could still have had a good story right off the bat from the 1st episode despite fu-king around so much Deadpool already proved that.
@@SoulShardx thing to note. Doctor Strange MOM would have been different. One key thing is America Chavez was meant for No Way home, but they had to rewrite her into MOM. The movie would have been different. Since originally was meant to come before No way home. The meta stuff and fourth wall breaks in She-hulk. That’s something been done in comics, before Deadpool. Add in the fact in the you have in the show addressing haters. That’s how people are. It becomes a thing needing commentary on. Because as soon as it came out, people bashed on it because Jennifer mastered being a Hulk. The didn’t like how it took Bruce years and years. Then get to the last episode, and it proved she was too confident and lost control. Kind of no different than Werewolf by knight. I forget which video I watched. But they brought up that people in the movie saw Jack Russel and Man-thing as monsters. When in reality, the monsters are the hunters. Even going so far as to compare the lead actor is Mexican and treatment of immigrants. That the character didn’t do anything wrong, but he’s not like the rest, thus he must be hunted.
@@86LukeM Yeah that is right. They should’ve just left America alone for some other project maybe a intro on Disney+ first would’ve been better. Doctor Strange doesn’t even have solo movies at this point other than Doctor Strange(2016). I knew you were gonna tell me that She-Hulk did it before Deadpool but that wasn’t the point I was making. I liked Deadpool’s(the movie) meta/fourth-wall breaking writing more than She-Hulk. I don’t think that it’s Tatiana’s fault she is actually quite charismatic I mean I don’t wanna compare but people are gonna compare the charisma to Ryan’s and I’m quite certain Tatiana will get there with a bit of better writing. But I do hope the addressing haters is just for one or two appearances of the character and isn’t a whole on-going schtick through the whole character development and when the character is fully blended in the MCU they stop that. Cause it’s gonna get annoying after some time. Anyways I hope they don’t bring back She-Hulk’s writers for any other time. And I wish there is a She-Hulk and Deadpool team-up soon the hilarity is gonna be off the charts. And I know the She-Hulk as a character did get better last episode it’s just that if they did that right from the start and made her character feel a bit flawed at first there wouldn’t be so many haters cause as I said there is more than just the usual misogynistic comments. Having the character be an asshole at first rarely pays off like Tony Stark. Some people can get annoyed.
Schaff: “We’ve been taking the MCU for granted”
*Two years later*
Schaff: “The MCU has been taking us for granted”
The duality of man
Indeed. I might be a bot
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Yes, we get it, the exact point made in the video and every comment.
less of the duality of man and more of the duality of movie quality
I am a huge marvel fan and even got my family into it. I loved Moon Knight(to be honest I think the people that hated on it didn’t understand the message it was portraying and that honestly sad), No Way Home made me cry in a good way, and I am very much excited for Wakanda Forever. HOWEVER, that being said, I had no idea until watching this that phase four was about to end. What the heck?!? I feel like that was whiplash from one show or movie to the next and I never had time to get excited for each new thing because there was ALWAYS something new. I think that is where the problem lies. Even huge fans didn’t have time to actually get excited and anticipate the next new thing. It leaves you feeling burnt out and disappointed because you don’t even have the chance to miss or appreciate the characters you love
11:36 No shot they blurred luffy in the documentary 💀
The saying here is “Less is More”. Because we're getting so many products without any sort of proper digestion of the material, it's like stuffing us when we're already full. What we eat becomes sickening and the chef isn't taking the time to properly perfect the dish because it's coming out so fast. Mcu needs to go back to the recipe book, not just listen to critics telling them its good enough. Because the truth is, it's never enough. One way or another
Quality over quantity
That is a very apt metaphor, especially for me! I felt like Endgame was a good end, a nice dessert, but they started bringing out more courses and I just can't keep up anymore
Writing has the same principal. In Dutch you have a saying: "Goed schrijven is goed schrappen".
Which means, good writing is good removing (of the unnecessary parts)
@@freekmulder3662 Indeed it does. Writing involves the sculpturing of a statue; overtime, it's shaped into something beautiful. Good writing is good if it can get a reaction out of people; something I'll be aspiring to achieve as someone new to it, working on a current work in progress. If you like that simile, my writing must be cooked golden-brown pannenkoek after it has settled. Thin, but very good to wrap and eat and just as good as crepes.
This. No one wants to do homework in order to enjoy a movie to the fullest.
It’s not the sequel we wanted….but it’s the one we need
Hey! Can Schaffrillas do a video of either ranking Kirby final bosses or a Grevious and Sid episode part two where they reference Sid the sloth in Encanto
Bro's comment chain is all spam bots 💀
@@camoking3609 Yeah…CZcams’s got a problem, lol
One of many these days
this is off topic, but I really would like to hear your thoughts on Genndy Tartakovsky's Primal, after watching both seasons so far, of course. masterful visual storytelling & beautiful artwork create a world and program I genuinely think you'll enjoy, and it'd be a nice change of pace and breath of fresh air from this tired, passionless wave of products that Disney is putting out. Granted, Warner Brothers shouldn't be praised for a lot of bad things they've recently done to animation on a corporate level, but this show was just about all Genndy and his crew, so little to no corporate interference. this allowed them to create the best damn possible tale they could in the circumstances they had, and man, is it amazing.
plus, it's refreshing to see animated programs directed toward mature audiences that aren't gross out comedies. Just my 2 cents, take this as you will, your mileage may vary. But I highly recommend you check it out! It's on HBO Max, so please check it out when you get a chance!
Kind of irrelevant but, Multiverse of madness came to cinemas in my country a whole month before Disney+ was available as a service. So if you live in Greece and wanted to understand multiverse of madness, you'd HAVE to pirate Wandavision to understand the plot.
I did a zoom interview with an assistant editor at Marvel Studios a couple weeks back, and I learned some small tid bits of info. They started working for Marvel for Civil War, and said they're currently working on Loki season 2. For Love and Thunder they specifically said one of the filmmakers just had no passion for the project which they felt impacted the overall product. I'm guessing it wasn't Taika cause they brought up working with him among other directors and said he's great to work with and only wants to work with him more. But yeah we may be dealing with rushed vfx, rushed directing and writing, and unpassionate higher ups :/
Damn, never thought one person not having passion for the project could have a big effect
Reminder: Dr. Strange 2 was still being written when shooting started.
@@axelvoss9653 Wasn't it even re-written heavily before it even started?.
Hey! Can Schaffrillas do a video of either ranking Kirby final bosses or a Grevious and Sid episode part two where they reference Sid the sloth in Encanto.
It was definitely Taika. Have you seen anything that he has done for the movie promotion wise? His heart is not in it, he does not give a fuck. This was an easy paycheck
I wanna point out that the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies that were released by Paramount before Disney took over (plus The Incredible Hulk) had a different vibe than the MCU today. The VFX actually looked mostly finished, and the tone was more adult and down to earth compared to the more family-friendly, comedy-heavy MCU films nowadays.
I do like a lot of the MCU films released under Disney, but I think the franchise really needs to slow down and take more risks to stay fresh. And also to not harm the VFX artists!
EDIT: I believe that the comedy focus really started kicking in with Guardians of the Galaxy, and that movie felt very fresh and new when it came out. But I think that had an effect on the tone of future MCU films with some exceptions like Black Panther and Eternals.
I think another thing worth pointing out is that the high amount of tension-breaking comedic moments was a lot more groundbreaking back when the first Avengers came out a decade ago, then it does today. What was initially subversive for most blockbusters is now kind of the status quo. To put simply Joss Whedon ruined blockbusters... In more ways than one.
P.S. The use of "ruined" in this instance is meant to be exaggerative, and I don't actually think Disney or Marvel is ruining cinema, don't take it too seriously.
@@matthewhunter1193 I wouldn't just that Joss Whedon is to blame, it's also James Gunn but it isn't fully his fault really. Because the MCU was still a bit serious before GOTG but after how successful it was, you can really tell that the MCU movies went all out with comedy, trying to not take the movies that seriously at all to try and capture the magic the first Guardians movie had. Even DC tried that with Suicide squad being reshot to be more like GOTG. But everyone, including Marvel studios, forgot that James Gunn balanced the comedy with real character development, serious themes and allowed the movies to actually have consequences that stuck and played out, especially in the second movie where the comedy was almost seen as secondary to the character drama. That's something the later MCU have a lot of problems dealing with.
@@backtoklondike James Gunn (like Taika Watiti) are just goofy mf'ers who somehow stumble onto success with their shtick which is more comedic. Joss Whedon thinks he's funny but he's not he's just good at other things (except when he took over Justice League but tbf, a lot of times when a director steps into something they werent in control of; things get muddy (see Multiverse of Madness) but I think GotG and Ragnorok got a pass at first because they were off planet stories set in cosmice backsetting. But Thor Love & Thunder really was a PoS movie
@@backtoklondike This is exactly like Shrek and american animated movies
The movies and things didn't have an effect. It's just the trash humans managing our society and life wich their twisted minds that can't understand the nuance and the greatness of life and fiction and instead always try to to the lazyest greediest shit and off course mass produce it like a souless nail factory.
As someone who enjoyed She-Hulk and Love & Thunder, I would have enjoyed them both far more if there was more love and care put into them. This goes for writing, directing, and VFX
Finally, a CZcamsr critique of Phase 4 that doesn't revolve exclusively on ranting about identity politics "ruining the MCU".
Lack of creative space and direction is what's ruining it. Just look at Black Panther. That movie is all about "identity politics" and it is one of the best MCU movies out there.
Clearly, topics like systemic racism and critiques of established power structures can work in a marvel movie. They just need to be done in an engaging and artistic way.
In my eyes, the MCU isn't the one taking us for granted, it's Disney who's taking us for granted. You literally said at the beginning that they adopted a "quantity over quality" mentality and that's why so many of our beloved IP's are dying. Disney doesn't care about us, their IP's, or if they make shit, they just care about the money the get from it all. Disney is the cinematic equivalent of EA.
Also the first three phases of the MCU were perfectly fine, phase 4 is the only one that's unnecessary.
I would say Disney is more like Activision Blizzard, Ubisoft, CD Project Red, or even 343/Microsoft as these companies employ bad habits like EA but to a much larger degree and feels more repetitive. Games like Halo Infinite, COD, Cyberpunk, and Overwatch all come to mind and these games were released within the past 2-3 years.
I always feel the charm of the MCU was that it wasn’t perfect but it was always able to pull off an insanely hard balancing act with dozens of characters, stories and Easter eggs. Phase 3 was kinda messy in hindsight but worked since it left us satisfied with the character work.
speak for yourself, the character development was some of the worst ive seen in a long time. the director of MoM didnt even watch wandavision, hence why her arc was the exact same
@@vivivalley op said phase 3 was messy but good, said nothing about phase 4
@@vivivalley read mf
@@vivivalley read again.
Phases 1-3 had their fair share of problems but you could clearly see the characters and storylines develop as the movies went on, whereas phase 4 is an unconnected mess with what feels like a lot of filler
@@narufan987 Literally read what the original comment said bud
Fully agree with all points in the video! Thanks for posting!
Being a big Doctor Strange fan, i was VERY disappointed in the multiverse release, i barely even touched it after watching for a few days it just didnt have that spark or good visuals
Absolutely agree.!
I love Dr Strange normally, but *MoM* felt half baked and diluted compared to any of the other MCU Feature Films.
Felt like they didn't really give it the love it required to make it special.
I will give MoM this...
Skarlett witch killing blackbolt, mr fantastic, etc. Was the most badass and terrifying thing i've seen in marvel so far.
Oh yeah and MoM reintroduces mr. Fantastic. Even if he dies not long after, they still did it.
I have a friend who worked on the dr strange movie that most recently came out and can attest it was rushed, mismanaged, and disorganized through and through. She was not happy and could barely get anything done due to issues she has not commonly had on even smaller budget movies. Its really sad to see marvel pumping out these movies like this and not giving their artisits the time and management they need to complete a film abd not just a rough draft
from what ive heard, the script was literally made up as they went, and the script prior to that was only made in two weeks, and thus, scrapped. The head writer of MoM admitted during an interview there were points in the movie where he genuinely didn't know what to do with the story or characters
@@pmuniversee
Really? I thought where Strange and Chavez were going was clear.
Well I thought it was good so...........
@@pmuniversee Damn! That sucks!!!
You know, my first thoughts after watching MoM was “the script was unfinished wasn’t it”
Who’da known
Apparently I heard that marvel and Disney hired on writers for Shehulk who haven't really had any experience writing for courtroom stories or legal battles, which is concerning when the main character is a lawyer.
It's ok, they played Phoenix Wright so they know everything about an American court system they need to
@@averageboi oh that works
@@averageboi that couldn’t have happened. If they played Ace Attorney, they’d have an understanding of comedy, at the least.
@@tylercoon1791 u right, my bad
Like the last of us actors being told not to interact in any way witht the game to be "unbiased", its so fucking dumb
"I doubt anyone willing would have sat through Ant Man and the Wasp if it didn't have information important to setting up end game."
I mean, I legit skipped it and got 0 loss from skipping it.
When they came out of being shrunk I figured "Oh... Guess they were shrunk. K."
Wasn't some huge loss not knowing their specific encounters or happenings lol
It's not like skipping the Ironman films, Captain America, Thor's development .etc
I feel like the main reason we keep coming back and giving the MCU more chances is because of the nostalgia it gives us.
I grew up with the MCU, literally. My dad told me how during one of the first movies (don't remember which) that I peed on his lap during it!
One of my earliest memories was the theater being so packed there wasn't really any seats left (again can't remember which movie as it was such a brief memory) and standing up until someone gave us a seat and my dad carried me to the seat (I was probably around 3-4.)
The MCU was me and my dad's way of bonding. That was our thing. He grew up as a 'geeky' kid who read the comics, and so he carried on that tradition to me in some way. He works a lot so being able to go to the theater once in awhile and watch the movies together was definitely the highlights to my childhood.
I'm turning 16 in 2 weeks now, I'm not a little kid anymore.. I'm the only kid my dad has who shares the same love and passion for marvel and losing the mcu as a whole is another indication that I'm growing up, and that I'll have to find some new way to bond with my dad.
So in a way, I will always have a soft spot for the marvel cinematic universe because it allowed me the oppurtunity to bond with my father.
Ok
That sucks, but you had a lot of good memories at least! Take it from someone who turned 18 yesterday, growing up is WEIRD. But there are definitely perks that make it worth it. Change can be scary but in the end it'll work out.
Well, I guess the reason why I quit was because I was only bingewatching to understand the upcoming endgame after watching black panther, infinity war and ant man 2 out of context, because I have not come back post Ms Marvel.
looked at the release dates of the releases by phases (from Wikipedia) to put things in perspective. it's absolutely insane how much and how fast they've pumped stuff out during Phase 4, lotsa numbers below:
Phase 1 (May 2, 2008 to May 4, 2012): 6 films in 4 years *(1.5 films/year)*
Phase 2 (May 3, 2013 to Jul 17, 2015): 6 films in 2 years, 2 months *(2.77 films/year)*
Phase 3 (May 6, 2016 to Jul 2, 2019): 11 films in 3 years, 2 months *(3.47 films/year)*
Phase 4 (Jan 15, 2021 to Dec ??, 2022): 17 films/shows/specials in 1 year, 11 months *(8.87 releases/year)*
[note that at the time of this comment, the release date of the Guardians Holiday Special is not known other than "December 2022". this does not change very much.]
So it became a bit of a sausage factory. Yay.
The fact that Phase 4 has the same amount of material as Phases 2 and 3 combined is insane!
I'd love if they stopped pumping so much out. Used to love the MCU but now I'm just like ehhh. Stuff like Kamen Rider has pulled me in as the live action superhero franchise I've been following. I'm hyped to see Anno's interpretation of the original Rider next year with Shin Kamen Rider. None of the seasons feel like a chore to watch because they don't really connect with a lot of their sequels/prequel Riders. KR Build had a lovely show revolving around a war while KR Ryuki had people fighting in a time loop.
OH, this right here is why I give up.
I commented elsewhere that I took a break after Endgame from the MCU to watch some other stuff. I love comic book adaptations normally too, but at this point, I've seen one of those 17 phase four products, and... I just don't see the point of watching 16 more things for the sake of completionism. I'm so far behind at this point that I'll watch a new MCU film/tv show if it catches my attention, but I'm not going to catch up. There are other things to watch out there.
@@leonishikino6873 honestly based ive been getting into Kamen Rider, the horror project is so much better than whatever werewolf by night was
The fact that we had Phases 1-3 in 11 years and we're getting Phases 4-6 in half that time is what was really hit me about all this.
As stupid as it sounds, I kinda feel like I'm going through the five stages of grief with this franchise. Do I want to feel this way? Absolutely not. But I think I'm in the same camp as you now where I'll only watch what I feel like. Everything else I'll look up the plot recap.
The writing has been noticeably awful in this phase. The Dr. Strange 2 script was dreadful.
I love you for the Tamatoa reaction shots
MCU is just "content" now. Creative storytelling is kind an afterthought. They abuse CGI studios into dirt wages to churn it out. And it feels like to me that stories are made to exist at this point without a real purpose.
Then there is rumor that Disney is doing something called scrapbooking behind the scenes where they shoot wildly different takes and piece together in post rather than have a set plot that they are trying the best to realize. This is only rumor so far, but the constant reshoots to fix things in recent years make me lean towards it being somewhat true.
The MCU started off so charismatic. It wasn't trying to be a film of full comic book senses like Raimi's 'Spider-Man' or deconstruct the genre using realism like 'The Dark Knight', and I'm in no way downplaying them; the MCU was lighter. But not shallow; it was laidback. To me, that was the appeal. It wasn't in either side of the genre, but its own place.
When the ambitious crossover came, the laidback nature and simpleness made it work. But at its core, there was sincerity. Yeah, it's also to make the big bucks, but there was genuine passion in storytelling too. Could it have been bolder creatively? Yes. But it was engaging still. It wasn't always a homerun, but it went on strong for ten years.
Now, the MCU chose to go bigger, and in turn, it burns faster. The core grew tired. Laidback turned into laziness. The universe turned into a box, caging its potentials. It got spoiled, too comfortable.
Personally, the sole reason it's not a good-bye for me just yet is 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3'. That will be the good-bye.
MCU is that person who "peaked in high school / college".
the MCU started with RESPECTING the SOURCE MATERIAL and accurately displaying characters and focusing on storytelling.
now the CRAP over the source material pushing Agenda over story !
Honestly it feels like they just keep trying to one up the previous movie and everything has gotten so bloated to the point where the story and style start to take a hit.
I'm so sick of multiverse bullshit and characters appearing in other characters movies. Just pull it back to basics and make a simple story thats well executed.
@@floatinghamstick exactly! and i think the problem with too many heroes is that the stakes feel incredibly low. like "oh no you failed... but there's 100 other heroes in this city alone who could take care of it". then there's the fact that every movie has to have some world-ending threat--there's a video about that but i forget who it's by but if you're interested search up "stop trying to end the world marvel" or something
@@galpeleg143 The agenda is money not diversity. Don't forget that.
You saying that Wakanda Forever is the end of Phase 4 genuinely shocked me. The only Phase 4 things I've seen have been Moon Knight and No Way Home, and it hasn't really felt like anything happened, so hearing it was basically over is surreal to me when I so closely followed the rest of the MCU.
As someone who's been watching almost every phase 4 entry, this also shocked me. There truly has not been a cohesive narrative for this phase, just a bunch of individual stories that either introduce new elements to the universe or build upon ones from previous phases. You can count on one hand the number of projects in this phase which have meaningful connections to the other projects. This would be fine if these projects worked as standalones and weren't relying on MCU knowledge and excitement, but unfortunately for every Moon Knight which largely ignores it's shared universe, there is a She-Hulk which is completely reliant on your enjoyment of that universe
Werewolf By Night is honestly my favorite thing that has come out of the MCU this phase just because of how tonally distinct and creative it is. It's obviously a love letter to classic monster films and I just adore the amount of artistic liberty they were allowed to take when making it. It obviously had so much more love and effort put into it than most of the output recently. I do agree that I wish it was longer, though
This is why I’m so fucking hype for The Way of Water coming out in less than a week. Finally, a true passion project of a movie that isn’t a Marvel cashgrab. Whatever your opinion on James Cameron’s Avatar is, I’m just so happy to see a true spectacle of a movie that won’t be a chore for me to sit through.
honestly curious, how do you like it now that you've seen it? i assume you saw it
@@elliotz2434 i saw it and i was unimpressed. the story dragged and there was a lot of plot holes. that being said, the visuals were incredible, and the characters and world really had a lot of life. it felt more like 3 hours of worldbuilding rather than 3 hours of a story, which makes it a mid movie but a great experience.
puss in boots 2 > the way of the water. you should watch that one instead lol
I'm late because i forgot i made this comment, but I adored TWoW. I wasn't bored for a single second, even if some people might've thought it dragged a little. I love the worldbuilding and characters and the build towards the coming sequels and I can't wait to see more, it was exponentially more entertaining than any other movie I had seen in the past 12 months.
That being said yes Puss in boots was also a masterpiece and I have watched it several times
Doctor Strange was one of my all time favorite MCU movies partially because the main character became capable through study and hard work. Some of that can be seen in Iron Man and Bruce Banner, but Strange went IN on the idea. It is a shame to see the abomination that is multiverse o sadness.
So I liked the 1st Dr. Strange. But that last one (part 2?) I really didn’t like. It was doing too much. The colors, a good strange, bad strange, everybody’s strange!
Plus that 3rd eye, whether it’s from the comics or not looked disgusting, and wasn’t even necessary
I am going to have to disagree. I don’t remember hard work being a big theme in Doctor Strange whatsoever. Most of the movie is just great visuals, with a pretty interesting protagonist who feels a bit to similar to Iron Man to a generic villain.
Study and hard work? He literally went and started playing with the time stone, when he wasn't supposed to, and learned in 5 minutes, because he's the "chosen one", strange is a character that does bad stuff and never gets to deal with his actions
@@somebody_else8243 he read a lot of books before hand, and I am not sure what you mean by, "never has to deal with the consequences of his actions"
@@TheStarMachine2000 he read normal books to learn about magic, not how to control the time stone, and about the consequences, he played with the time stone when he wasn't supposed to, "oh it's fine, he's the chosen one", he messed up a spell in nwh that almost destroyed our universe ( but since the movie isn't about him) just fixed it in the end and never had to deal with it too, in mom they pretend to say that he's dealing with the fact that because of him (when he gave the time stone) half the universe disappeared for 5 years and that for some people (including Wanda) he's to blame for, but he never actually deals with this fault or guilty around it because "it was the right choice at the end" (and I'm not saying that it wasn't, but you know, everybody just accepts it, and he really don't seem to care at all, because he's a character who will destroy everything for the greater good or what he considers the greater good, like when they show us how every strange variant messed up in name of something bigger, but not *our* strange, because "he's the chosen one and different, better) hope that i got my point lol I'm awful at writing stuff, sorry for any mistakes too, english is not my first language
The fact that Disney has essentially proven the original Don't Hug Me I'm Scared right yet again over 11 years later is incredible. Depressing, but still incredible.
Edit: For those confused, I'm basing it off of Night Mind's interpretation, not Film Theory's.
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@@3Guys1Video don't hug me I'm scared had an overarching story too (if you don't know what it is, go watch it.) Basically guy has creative need to create, money men step in and take over, ruins the creatives idea, and the only way to right the wrong is to pull the plug.
@@petercarioscia9189 oh
Green is not a creative colour.
@@amberhernandez Omg green is not a creative colour
Cause green is the colour of money
And money stifles creatively
OOOOO I'm slow
Please do a full marvel ranking with all phases including shows special presentation and movies
One thing I also think is going on with Disney is their fear of original content. They don't understand that some movies will flop, and others will be great. Instead, they keep going back to what they think is safe, and they never stray from it.
Feel like we’re definitely at a point in the mcu where it feels like homework to watch it especially the shows. Not to mention how oversaturated it’s becoming and how Kevin announced marvel will be doing more movies and shows for the next 10 years which honestly at this point I’ve almost lost complete interest in the mcu. It’s like after endgame feels like we’re doing side quests and on top of that this phase just feels like their pumping out as many projects as they can no matter how good or bad as long as they gain profit. Not to mention this phase doesn’t even have a clear direction compared to previous ones. Not to mention the huge quality drop compared to previous phases as well. For me I’m mostly looking forward to newer Star Wars projects and monsterverse films rather than sitting through another mcu show or even film. I will say this though. Wakanda forever is definitely gonna be marvels breaking point for where they go in terms of quality
Right?! The movies don’t have to be formatted like comics
The shows nearly kill all my interest.
All of the movies coming out? Hell yeah, I'll see them day 1.
The shows are fucking horrific.
Same
@@bro-be3bd super understandable. The movies for me I’ll watch em maybe but the shows I just don’t have the energy for the same exact formula. The only shows I liked really was moon knight and Loki
@@bro-be3bd hey, there were a few good ones at first
“The MCU is like the Simpsons” Holy shit, that is the perfect way to describe it.
They’ve chosen quantity over quality
@@matthewpatrick7964
Disagree.
*The Simpsons Effect:*
1. First few seasons/episodes are unsteady but show promise
2. Show runners slowly figure out what they want to do
3. Series hits it's golden years
4. First few bad episodes appear, but overall it's still good
5. Frequency of bad eoisodes increase, but fans still try to defend the show
6. Show completely falls apart, but casual viewers continue to regularly watch
7. Show kind of revitalizes itself, but it's clear that it'll never reach point 3 ever again
Let's hope it doesn't stay that way.
@@matthewpatrick7964 not really. Is more like "they chose to, instead of actually focus on 1 main thing, they decided to throw as many stuff into the wall to see what sticks and lands"
The reason why WandaVision was so good was because it did have thought and care. From all the interviews on set design, practical effects, research and world building, it was clear everyone was passionate about the project. It explored themes of grief, love and trauma in a pretty great way. Same with Wakanda Forever. It was full of heart. The actors, writers and everyone involved were clearly putting their all into making it a great piece. Which is why I agree with so many. SLOW DOWN, Marvel! They didn't have to end after Endgame, but they needed to make less of better quality (as Multiverse of Madness, She Hulk and many more show).
great video!!! didn’t even realize disney+‘s effect on the 4th phase
Quite incredible all that is to see really. They went from basically redefining the entire hollywood movie landscape and creating engaging movies everyone loved based on comicbook characters no one cared about to making people disinterested and bored about beloved characters instead.
I mean, it was going to happen eventually because of over saturation. It’s just that nobody expected it to happen right after Endgame
@@projectpems8304 They should’ve taken a long hiatus after Endgame. Just a second to stop and think and maybe come up with a plan on how to further expand the universe and how to deal with the consequences of Endgame
@@projectpems8304 It was kinda obvious this was gonna happen right after Endgame. No matter what Marvel does this outcome is inevitable
@@racool911 No.
@@UniqueHandles Disney would never let them rest lol
This is literally how I feel. I like a lot of the ideas they played with (like seeing Wanda's trauma and termoil, learning more about Black Widow, being intoduced to Moon Knight, seeing the colapse of society after the snap in Falcon & Winter Soldier, etc.), but it's just SO TEDIOUS to get through.
I was excited at first about Phase 4. All I knew in terms of shows were WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, and Loki. And I was prepared to watch those 3 shows, along with whatever movies would be coming out. That, to me, was super doable!
But then my boyfriend was like "Oh yeah, now that we finished those shows, there's a Hawkeye show coming out!" I was like... huh?? What about some cool movies? Anything that will tie the 3 shows together? And then, he told me there was also a Moon Knight show, She Hulk, and Ms Marvel. I just remember sitting there as all these shows started releasing, and I just was so tired of it. Like I felt so drained with how horrible the Loki show was, I was glad to be done with the TV shows so that I could be excited for the movies. I was content, thinking there would only be 3 short shows, a few movies to tie them together, and that would be it until Phase 5...
It really does feel like homework and it sucks because I used to LOVE Marvel. I was obsessed since I was a kid. You explained it so well. I just feel burnt out by it all. Especially after seeing Dr Strange 2. WandaVision was my favorite show of the first 3 that aired.. I thought Dr Strange 2 would make something of her character seeing how far she had grown during her show, but nope! I was sitting there thinking the whole time that if they wanted to go the "evil" Wanda route, why not make the movie from her POV so it ties in better w her show. Instead, I was so bored watching Dr Strange and America Chavez-----both characters felt overly cartoony for a Dr Strange movie and it all just fell flat. Everything felt rushed; just like how all the other Phase 4 movies felt. The whole thing just sucks. Disney, per usual, ruined a good thing it had going. It took me forever to finally watch Thor 4, and that movie was such a mixed bag.
Overall, it's just so disappointing and I realistically cannot keep up. I've got enough chores and work to do, why add all these shows and movies to that list? :/
@Chad 007 Yes, because everyone remembers the alternate version of IW where the Avengers take on a giant potato wedge instead of a giant grape, and he’s attempting to gather six coloured condiments instead of tiny rocks.
I completely agree with you!
To be fair though, it’s better they introduce all these characters now instead of throwing them into Secret Wars and no one even knows anything about them
I feel exactly the same! I really liked WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier was alright (not really my favorite genre tho) and... well, really didn't like Loki. Didn't even finish it lol.
My family occasionally watches Marvel movies with me and I was prepared to summarize the shows for them if they played into one of the movies, so they understand a bit about the characters development and such (like, if you didn't know about WandaVision Doctor Strange II would be so confusing), but now I MYSELF need someone to summarize these shows to me. I just cannot watch all of those shows, especially if I am not a huge fan of maybe a particular character or genre. A movie would be alright, about 120 minutes are acceptable, even if I don't like that character, but a show with 10+ Episodes, each about 40 Minutes? Nope. Maybe someday, but definitely not today.
It was a lot easier to was 5-7 movies in 5 years before the next Avengers, but now it's like 8 mini series and they're all treated like lower budget stuff.
I mean I liked them all, but I felt like I got more bang for my buck in terms of quality when it was just the movies.
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
gotta say, i've been procrastinating watching this time because (like you said) it's trendy to sh*t on the mcu these days and i wasn't sure what to expect going in...but you took the words right out of my mouth when you said "so much of this phase has felt like doing homework for a test that's years away"!
The mcu post endgame,is like doing all the fetch quests in an rpg after you’ve beaten the main story
Lol perfect comparison!
It kind of feels like separate adventures which might not be for everyone but I like it. I would prefer them more spread out with better effects and for some shows to be movies instead though. Also some like Spiderman is like finishing a questline that started in Main Quest but didn't finish in main Quest.
“Doing homework” is the BEST analogy I’ve ever heard for MCU.
Optional homework. You literally aren’t obligated to watch all of it. Just the easiest way for people to complain. Haven’t watched the past 3 movies/shows and that saved me time from complaining on the internet… which I wouldn’t even do because it’s literally a waste of time.
@@fofexcodex207 Seriously, people act like it’s impossible to read summaries.
@@olddog4090 and reading summaries to be able to watch a series of movies isn't homework?
It's not homework, it's FOMO. MCU relies on you thinking "if I miss this movie, I won't be able to understand the next ones!" At some point you have to just ignore that, and say "I'm only gonna watch the movies that interest me," instead of blindly watching everything that gets released.
That’s homework my guy
Hold up I just realized something… how does Remi put stuff in the soup while standing on the pot??? Is it not burning his feet???
14:40 - Hope Schafrillas makes a video ranking the 25 Bond movies sometime next year. I'd be very excited to see how he'd rank them!
We need a union for VFX artists
In your dreams
@@diegodunn-humphrey512 hopefully more than that
What we need is the Writers Strike of 2007 all over again, but this time including VFX artists.
@@Mortimer_RS Honestly with the Writers strike getting us Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog I am fine for another
There is nothing wrong with the CGI
You mentioning that your favorite parts of Ms. Marvel were the non-action scenes reminded me that I feel the same about Moon Knight. The character story and work were what hooked me; I really didn't care at all about the fight between the gods.
To add to that, She-Hulk's most interesting aspects have been the court cases and the main character.
@@the_enderslayer that's funny, cuz they've both been extremely crap
I think after 2 decades epic superhero fights might have gotten a bit overdone
@@the_enderslayer She-Hulk is really bad to me tbh. The jokes are painfully unfunny, the main character is just…, the court cases aren’t interesting which is pretty disappointing, I dunno it’s just this one of the shows I wanted to see just for it to be trash.
I think big corporations forget that there is power in being a beloved company. If you’re a genuinely good company that doesn’t do anything wrong, and wants to do right by the fans. People will still give them just as much money as doing scummy things because they think they can get away with it. For example: I don’t watch CollegeHumor that much anymore. But I’m still subscribed to Dropout because I love what they do, and they genuinely want to do right by the fans. And that’s something I still want to support.
9:13 Your actually making some pretty valid points because even though Pixar did the same thing with Soul, Luca, and Turning Red, it’s just not gonna feel like it’s a part of the main marathon because it’s not in theaters.
See, I think Moon Knight was one of the best MCU products to come out in recent years BECAUSE it felt so disconnected from the “main” storyline. Every week I kept waiting for a cameo to sidetrack and ruin the show, but it never happened! Instead, it focused on being a VERY well done character study about coming to terms with being a DID system, how the alters accepted their trauma AND each other, on top of the pressure of trying to save the world. I think the first few episodes were necessary to get us in Steven’s headspace, to show us JUST HOW SCARY it was to suddenly find out you’re not alone in your body. I loved it, and I can’t wait for more.
There will be no more Moon Knight. There will be a scarlet scarab spin off.
I agree. And I’d rather have 6-8 eps with a bit of “fluff”, rather than a rushed 2-2.5 hr movie
@@bendedmiracle yeah what happened to good ol' original heroes. The white ones like iron man and captain America....the MCU died with them unfortunately now they're shoving diversity on our asses
100% agree- I also really loved the attention to detail when it came to the sets, especially the scenes in the tomb. That, and… they actually made the gods relatively accurate? It’s nice to see them with animal heads, most media just portrays them as human.
@@warofmankind yea everyone only wants white superheroes and all other ethnicities dont care about being represented🤦🏼♂️
I don’t think it ever fully occurred to me that there are so many shows because they keep people paying for the platform but that makes all sorts of sense. No wonder there’s so many stories there being told through the wrong medium with very little to no space in between. Thanks for saying that so explicitly, I think it really needed to be said.
Hey! Can Schaffrillas do a video of either ranking Kirby final bosses or a Grevious and Sid episode part two where they reference Sid the sloth in Encanto.
Every streaming service relies far too much on TV shows, it's sad to see potentially great stories being dragged out to the point of tedium,
That was frustrating when he mentioned that because it makes so much sense. So many shows now require you to sit through utter tedium to get to the good stuff or require you to be smart enough to immediately drop the show before the decline in quality ruins your enjoyment of the better episodes.
I don’t like Netflix’s approach either of basically requiring binge-watching of shows that prove popular to avoid Internet spoilers. I wanted to watch Cyberpunk EdgeRunners, for instance on a weekly basis, but the constant spoilers just casually being thrown around on the Internet by people who managed to binge-watch it right when it first released meant I had to rush through it as best as my schedule would allow, despite the main “criticism” of that show being that it ends too soon. Same goes for Squid Game and even movies like Klaus.
see also: why andor is some of the best content of the year because they took their time and went in a different direction and had an amazing team who actually got the respect for their creativity that they deserve
The special presentations for me is a step in the right direction since they're not these 6-9 episode shows that are mostly filler, and they actually have faster pacing.