"Cricket is NOT racist, misogynistic or elitist!" 🏏 Sir Ian Botham | Up Front
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- This is Up Front with Simon Jordan. A show brought to you by William Hill that pulls no punches and tells it EXACTLY like it is. Sir Ian Botham is one of the greatest all rounders in the history of cricket. A prodigious talent who created as many headlines off the pitch as he did on it. Ian joins the show to discuss his colourful career whilst giving the inside scoop on this year’s highly competitive Ashes test series.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Podcast begins
1:55 What made Ian Botham an irrepressible force?
6:00 Viv Richards & Somerset
8:30 The most important thing about playing cricket
10:10 Test debut
13:05 Becoming an all-rounder
15:15 Being England captain aged 24
19:50 Was Botham a leader?
21:00 Kevin Pietersen
23:22 Leaving Sky's commentary team
27:15 Ben Stokes
30:18 The problem with 'Bazball'
32:30 Jonny Bairstow
36:50 What's going through players' minds?
38:10 Is there still a rivalry between England and Australia?
41:35 There's too much white ball cricket
43:15 Did Botham hate the Aussies?
44:05 Ian Chappell
46:00 Is cricket institutionally racist?
54:45 How does Botham want to be remembered?
"Cricket is NOT racist, misogynistic or elitist!" 🏏 Sir Ian Botham | Up Front
I lived in Australia for a while in the early 90's, saw him play in the world cup in 92 out there. I got to know a lot of Aussies, they all loved Botham, still gave him lots of banter, but he took it, they related to his personality and way he played the game, and the Australian fans would walk away from the bars to watch him. Very few players could make them do that! 🙂 I saw it for myself at the SCG. Legend.
That era there were some great cricketer's. Ian Botham was one of them
Test match cricket is extraordinary. When someone says ‘I can’t believe you enjoy a sport that’s so complicated, long and boring’ - makes me smile because that person will never understand.
What makes it complicated?
Agree - I don't watch cricket often, but it's only ever been test match cricket that has got me enthralled by it.
@@tekkn_579alot. There's a t20 tourny in the USA at the moment and they haven't got a clue on certain details of rules.
@@tekkn_579try explaining the sport to a foreigner or someone who hasn't grown up watching it. You will soon realise the complexities of it
It's the ultimate test for a cricketer and I hope it's not forgotten amongst the white ball game.
This guy has done a lot not just for cricket but for all the charities he's worked with. More than a legend to me Sir Botham...🏏😉 if anyone deserves to be a Sir this man does...100%
He's actually Lord Ian Botham
To be fair he's actually still referred to as Sir Ian
@@markhiggins8315 what is Mr Botham (sir or Lord ) or both..😉 he's "beefy" to me..😃
@@jimmyodriscoll9273 Beefy it is then, fair enough. To be honest I don't actually go in for titles or royalty come to that I'm just a bit of a pedant at times. He was hell of a cricketer I followed his career from when I saw him play his first test at Trent Bridge back in 1977.
That is probably one of my favourite tests of all time. Boycott making his comeback with a century and England's win made possible by Knotty who was my personal cricketing hero as a kid. Without APE Knott Boycott's comeback would have been very, very different. England were around 80 for 5 when Knotty came in to bat and Boycott, although still there was a mess. He'd run out local hero Derek Randall and was a very unconvincing 20 odd not out and couldn't get the ball off the square. Knott came in and almost immediately started to take the Aussies apart. Knott and Boycott put on over 200, Knott scored 135 and Boycott got I think about 107(?) and England went on to win the match. Beefy famously got his first 5 for in his very first test. What a match.
Excuse my long response and I hope I didn't bore you too much.
@@markhiggins8315 nice enjoyed that mate... 😉 that sounds like good memories👍 correct me if I'm wrong the "Great" Bob Willis got 5/wickets to. I've got that match on DVD or tape somewhere.
Nasser Hussain is the best commentator going around… Simon is well off if he thinks otherwise
Sir ian was one of my first sporting heroes what a great podcast
Incredible insight from Botham. He sensed England would turn the corner and the first two days of the currrent third Test exemplifies that. They're perfectly placed to level the series and push on. What an Ashes we're being treated to. One thing I'll say about the Aussies, they recognise exceptional cricket - to a man they all shook Zak Crawley's hand today, which shows class and respect. Game on.
Unlike what's that rubbish bowler England have that swore khawaja off on 150
As a teenager at The Mcg i still remember the enormous roar this legend would get each and every time he came out ,Australians just adored Botham ,he was English no doubt but i wished so hard that he was an Aussie ,he was not a toffee nosed stuck up pretentious blow hard ,he was just fantastic ,what a guest 10/10 AAA top Shelf
Thats a shame because he hates convicts
@@nickkray5938 He doesn't. It's just Ian Chappell. One of Botham's best mates, is Aussie legend, David Boon.
Botham actually stated that the Aussies made him a better player, and for that, he's always held Australians in a high regard.
It's just a shame, that Chappell and Botham can't let their beef go.
Beefy mentions in his book about having the Aussie side over for bbqs when they were over here for the Ashes..Allan Border changed all that when he became captain.
@@nickkray5938 haha we aint been convicts for a spell mate ,your man was a champion,you should be building statues for him not blocking traffic like a bunch of halfwits
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Isn't asstralia a communist cuntry now?
Any chance you could interview Daley Thompson next? Another great from that era.
This is the first time I've agreed 95% with anyone,well spoken Ian.
One of the greatest sportsman of any era, and add in his charitable work for decades and you've one of the worlds greatest humans as well.
He’s not even a great of cricket.
@northshorecouple1060 no he's a sir that's one up isn't it
@@jasonmusicka8271 so was Sir Jimmy Saville OBE, KCSG.
People need to understand that this bloke is one of the greatest sportsmen this country has ever produced.
Will their lives be changed if they don't?😊
Doesn't he sell OAP foot spa's on TV?
@@grrr.9998 A mans got to eat!
What’s that got to do with anything? It doesn’t make him immune from spouting shite.
He is but he’s never been the sharpest tool in the box. I think more weight should be given to a detailed report based on actual evidence from various sources rather the anecdotal opinions of a white middle aged man who was an elite player.
Absolutely idolised this man for most of my life. True Legend. Great interview. Many thanks.
Yes Simon is amazing.
Agreed! Bothams ok too
Brilliant interview, Ian botham great cricketer, fantastic man who lived and is living his life to max. Many interesting and wise words spoken. Enjoyed
Growing up Ian was my total hero. They say you shouldn't meet your heroes but Ian is the exception.
Watched him playing at Worcester against Essex. He came in with them rocking at 35 for 4... He went and hammered us into submission in 20 odd overs. Two balls in the river, three in the ladies pavillion into the cakes, and over the main stand into the car park. Basil Doliveras car was hit twice.. awesome power play
Excellent interview with Sir Ian.
I never played much cricket, but during a England V Australia test series in 84 or 85, my Grandad and I were playing cricket in my Uncle's pub rear garden. As I was on the chunky side, some punter going into the pub said "Okay Beefy, show us what you've got". My Grandad bowled me a googlie and I smacked it over the fence. The punter went into the pub giving me a thumbs up and made my day.
That was a great test series as well.
@@paulhiggins6024 Cheers mate!
Age 10 in 1981 Ian Botham changed my life after the Ashes!!
From my experience which is local/village cricket, cricket is the most diverse sport in the country.
@@sids61 that’s just not true, no doubt more opportunities to the privilege like in every thing in life.
@@sids61 nah tennis is the worse for that, plenty have made it through being working class in cricket.
@@sids61 yeh no doubt it benefits the privilege but that’s just life unfortunately.
@@snookerstonesCoward 🙄
@@Ryro-os2cg nonce
I remember seeing Botham playing for Somerset at Trent Bridge in the late 70s. He smashed 160 odd with tremendous power. I thought he'll play for England. Then i saw him make his debut for England at Trent Bridge v Australia in jubillee year. He got 5 wickets. The rest is a glorious and unforgettable history.
And getting Greg Chappell as your first wicket, that's tasty.
Fantastic interview featuring two very good men. The hour went very quickly. A lot of sense and honesty spoken.
Will never forget the work he did for Durham County Cricket - he's one of the reason why it still exists.
Ian,Viv and Brian Close all absolute legends…..brilliant interview…….❤ Beefy
I once shook Brian Close's hand at a book signing. Even as an elder gentleman, his grip was intimidatingly strong.
Great interview.....Sir Ian Botham is a legend for his career in cricket. And his incredible charity work, raising millions for Leukaemia research.
Did almost asmuch as Jimmy Saville did for charity.
@@powerbuilder978guy raises millions and millions and you want to compare him to Saville. Stay classy 👌
@@jasonmusicka8271 Saville raised a billion
An absolute legend. Ian has done so much, achieved so much, given so much to charities.
Yes he has, but why did he have to do that? Because the political party he supports, and is now part of the government continually runs the health service down.
Sold a lot of shredded wheat too!
Always will be my all time favourite sportsman Can you imagine playing in the current team Not just his talent his personality and presence etc
Could listen to sir beefy all day. Really enjoyed the podcast, great questions throughout.
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It's about being on the field and playing . Not talking. But always a pleasure to hear Ian Botham , because he played the game like a true champion and worked hard to do that apparently.
Was 13 when he made his test debut and have loved everything he's done ever since! England's GOAT!!
Another brilliant conversation with a true legend.
Excellent once again.Thank you Simon .
Thoroughly enjoyed. Thank you both. Love how Botham backed Bairstow here pre Manchester despite form and look what happened. Lad knows his cricket!
I've never been interested in cricket but Ian Botham is one my heroes, only reason I watched it was because of him and another point for me admiring him.... his charity work!! 😎
I'll never forget the 1981 Ashes series. It was just incredible how he and that England team turned that series around.
I wish you'd spoken more about that series because that really made Botham.
Inherent self-belief. Confidence. Infectious presence. Towering personality. Easy to love, easy to hate Ian Botham.
Don't hate him. Despise him.
Wow, what a humble man, I really enjoyed this interview with one of the greats of the game.
Brilliant interview, even more of a legend than I realised. If only people like Botham and Jordan could run our country! It would be a much better and fairer place!!!
I was there at old Trafford and edgbaston in 1981 Ian and Bob on that final day with live with me till the day I die
Brilliant interview. Especially near the end and institutional racism being a myth . Well said
I think that Botham is a boorish clown. Great cricketer, but politically deeply stupid.
See I disagreed with him on that. Institution racism does exist. It might not mean to, but it does. It's easy for a white person, and I'm white, to say it doesn't because in the main we've never experienced it, certainly in the UK. But ask someone who isn't white and from their perspective it does. What might seem harmless banter, is quite demeaning, whether meant or not and if you are experiencing it, complain about it, either to the person who is doing it, or to someone higher up the organisation, and it still persists, then clearly the organisation, or institution, isn't bothered about it. Certain people will use their personality and place in an organisation to bully staff below them. I've worked for bosses that did it. If we call it bullying and not "institutional racism" would you say it didn't happen? Add in the dimension on colour and it can't be denied surely? I think Sir Ian is a sporting god. I don't like cricket, but would, and did, watch him every time he was on the telly playing, or when he was doing his walks and other stuff, so I'm not criticising him for his view, I just think he's wrong on this point.
@@stetomlinson3146If you are poor and black in the UK you are 3 times more likely to get a university place than a poor white person. This is despite white people achieving better grades at college. Do you believe this is due to racism?
If your white racism does exist now
Being from Liverpool cricket was never high if at all on the school cariculem but through my Dad I got to love it and Mr Botham became one of my Heroes and with good reason wow what a cricketer he made cricket popular all over the UK again ,I met him twice what a nice fella he is ,thank you for all the great sporting moments Mr Botham
This was the best episode of the show. Ian is a legend. Greatest cricketer England ever produced.
Ian Botham got me into cricket. Great player and great fun.
This is my all time Sporting Hero…. Still play cricket to this day because of this sporting icon.
Another brilliant podcast, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Great interview - watched it all, Thanks
Cricket has always been a great arena for strong characters to thrive, as there are so many players that lack mental toughness. Botham was able to impose himself, even after his brilliant early career pitch it up and swing diminished, in the same way that a lot of the West Indies players of his era, and more recently Warne, Flintoff and Stokes have been able to do.
Really enjoyed that interview well done posh boy
Simon a good interviewer has a way of steering the overall direction without interrupting the flow of his guest.
When u hear the name of some people, you feel a sense of happiness and nostalgia. Ian is one.
A hero in the truest sense.
Not really. Sporting hero maybe.
@@KevinSheedy10has done more for charity than most sportsmen put together
A great interview with, historically, one of cricket's greatest all-rounders - thoroughly enjoyed the discussion, thanks for uploading.
Fabulous interview both 👍👍
Excellent from Ian Botham , real honesty and common sense , his decision to turn down a massive pay day for a rebel tour South Africa remains one of the great triumphs of integrity over greed , some of todays sportsmen might take note
Real honesty by denying facts? I think not.
Players went to south Africa for the money because at the time they had no money . Cricket was a part time low paid sport back then
Ian Botham my childhood hero, and Simon Jordan my adulthood hero for different reasons !
That's the best interview by far well done simon
Really enjoyed that. A great episode.
Simon can't resist giving his opinion even when meant to be finding out other people's.😊
Yup…talks too much…should listen more…
SIMON = TOP LAD PROPER CLOBBER
Wish you spent longer with him and allowed him to speak more and open up but like you SJ he was my hero.
During that period of growing up in England I can only think of two sporting elites that in their prime scared the opposition and that was Daley Thomson and Iam Botham.
Both were treated appalling by their respective national bodies throughout their careers and injuries impacted upon their legacies greatly also.
Curiously both had been offered contracts to play professional football!
Really enjoyed that. Great interview
Love this show, met Beefy a few times in Durham and Nth Yorkshire. A genuine Legend. Great interview
Felt quite sad after this finished. I fear botham is one of the last of the "normal" generation.
Ian Botham is one of my childhood sporting heroes. Got me into playing cricket. Legend is a word used too much these days, but Ian is nothing short of one.
Thoroughly enjoyed that. Very interesting the last part as a Yorkshire fan
You are watching one of the best our country has ever produced...top top bloke!
This is what you call a Legend
A legend from a legendary era in cricket
Great interview, thanks
Another great conversation 👏🏼
Cricket teaches anyone morals. End of discussion
Yeah you're right, it taught stokes to almost kill someone when he was drunk and still be loved as a sport star
@@jehanariyaratnam2874 he had a fight for fucks sake outside a pub or club in town you daft sausage, most people in their lifetime have done the same for decades and longer and they are all still loved by people round them?
What was your point initially? did you think this was arevelation or are you hurt in some way that people like stokes and not you?
Never ever scared to give his opinion on any questions asked to him , Sir Botham best ever
Sir Ian Botham, one of our greatest sportsmen and a brilliant interview!
Brilliant watch, SJ is a great listen on Talksport as well in the mornings with Jim White.
The great man. Nice how Azeem's comments from the past got swept under the carpet quick smart. Double standards. Standard
Rafik was so affected by institutional racism at Yorkshire that he signed for them twice? In between sending antisemitic tweets, obviously…
Simon Jordan interviewing but he talks more than the people he's interviewing
fascinating watching this after day 3 of
old Trafford. Ian has nailed it
Brilliant chat, this. Arrogance is the main symptom of immaturity. Confidence is what a youngster needs to be successful not arrogance. It's how you should bring a child up - instill confidence with humility but without arrogance.
I'd love to go for a pint with Both. A proper bloke.
@TheTW11 Completely agree with your comment.
He bought myself, friends and everyone in the pub a drink many years ago in Canterbury the early 90's? at the Granville in Stone Street.
He was playing at the St Lawrence with Durham, I also remember chatting with David Graveney both very confident likeable men.
Beefy buying the beer wasn't arrogance but confidence from his personality and achievements playing the game we all love.
He's a man of good standing....
Explain Cristiano Ronaldo then!
@@philiphudgens4726Arrogance never made Ronaldo a better player. A lack of confidence would have made him worse but it's not arrogance but the talent and no lack of confidence. Not complicated.
I don't live by "The Rules" you know, and if there's one person who has influenced me in that way of thinking, someone who is a maverick, someone who does 'that' to the system then it's Ian Botham. “Beefy will happily say, ‘That’s what I think of your selection policy. Yes, I’ve hit the odd copper, enjoyed the odd doobie. But will you piss off and leave me alone cause i’m walking to John O’Groats for some spastics
I've got so many things to do, but your comment has made me start to rewatch the entire series instead, you bastard lol.
@@MrBannystar 😂
He’s everything British people stand for. Absolute legend!
Haha, you got that right, but not in the way you think! And it's English, not "British".
@@elspencer6334 I did mean British and i did get it right in the way I meant.
Great interview! 👍
Frances Edmonds (Phil Edmonds' ex-wife) wrote a couple of books on England tours of the mid-80's.
She said, of Botham.
"Always be wary of someone whose weight in kilos is higher than their IQ".
Honestly, not bad advice.
What a player and what a great human being.He’s also a pretty good golfer
Another racist elitist sport.
Great move to ask a black man to be godfather to his children - exculpates him from any accusations of racism. Ahead of his time.
Or maybe... it's because he isn't racist. There's a shocker, aye?
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Yeah I'm sure that was why he quit after they didn't refused a Black dudes contract too
Loved this interview.
Brilliant interview!
I know of Ian botham from David Brent…beefy
Sir MW OG Legendary Jordanite Leader = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊💯 Facts
I've never experienced that in a dress room ever- Coming from a white guy 😂😂
Ya it's coming from a guy that denied a rebel tour to South Africa.
@@beefy1986I absolutely support his stance on the South Africa issue and totally get that he personally may not be racist but it doesn't for a moment mean he could ever experience how it is for someone who's grown up having to deal with things he hasn't. Empathy is great but has limitations, that's just how it is.
@@markhiggins8315 But he is right about the report regarding Yorkshire. The focus was all on racism regarding a person who behaved inappropriately with women, ie, Azeem Rafiq.
So yes there may have been some instances of aloofness here and there no doubt. But if Beefy is saying that he has never experienced or seen others go through it then there must be some truth to it.
@@beefy1986 We can only genuinely comment on what we've been witness to.
Who left his job because they did the dirty on his BLACK friend
Sir Ian Botham is my altime favourite cricketer!!very entertaining, no nonsense player,I wish he was playing today cos he was a natural 20/20 aswell as great 1day player and greats of test match player!!He was full of life and put cricket on the map for so many people! Amazing guy ,I respect and admire him!!my no1 cricketer !!God bless you sir IAN BOTHAM 🙏
Brilliant piece really enjoyed that
Sir Ian Botham, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Ali, Pele. Not many come even close.
Ali so far ahead of all of them.
I'd add Roger Federer to that list. Played the game with elegance
Add Michael Jones.
Shane warne
Don Bradman, Garfield Sobers, Viv Richards, Malcolm Marshall etc.
Sir Ian, Lord Botham. What a talent. He is so missed as a commentator. Sir Ian would have been a perfect fit for the way Stokes plays and visa versa.
Legend.grew up watching him in awe at Somerset although I only ever play minor counties cricket for Devon.My school cricket captain Vic Marks went on to play with Botham.Wonderful era for cricket.😊
Another great podcast. Thanks.
It’s been UK policy for years not to give pitch invaders TV coverage; yet the BBC showed Just Stop Oil’s protest at the Lords test, and the lunch slot on BBC Radio 5 that day was devoted to the ‘Equity’ report that English cricket is ‘institutionally racist, sexist and elitist’. Both events were state-sanctioned propaganda.
The Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket (ICEC) was set up by the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) in July 2021, its five commissioners state, ‘in the wake of global movements such as Black Lives Matter and MeToo’. So it's an explicitly woke organisation. The ICEC is a product of UK public institutions having to enforce ‘Diversity, Equity and Inclusion’ criteria. These are an obligation of the ECB’s Public Sector Equality Duty, which came into effect in April 2011 under section 149 of the Equality Act 2011.
In addition to controlling the public sector, ‘Diversity, Equity and Inclusion criteria are set and enforced on UK businesses by international asset managers like BlackRock, who also set the ‘Environmental, Social and corporate Governance’ (ESG) criteria demanded by Net Zero promoters like Just Stop Oil. And as BlackRock’s CEO, Larry Fink, made clear in 2017, compliance with these criteria will be enforced as a condition of companies receiving investment. ‘If you don’t force behaviours, whether it’s gender or race, you’re going to be impacted. We’re going to have to force change.’
So if you’re wondering why Just Stop Oil can get past security onto the Lords ground, Doctors for XR can hang a 12-yard banner from the stands, and BBC presenters spend their lunchtime calling English cricketers contesting for the Ashes ‘racist, sexist and elitist’, this has something to do with it.
Sir Ian Bottom 🌈
Whats with the rainbow emoji?
Never really followed cricket, but I knew who Botham was as a sportsman, as a character, as an ambassador of the sport and Charities he supports. A great guy interviewed by Upfront.
Thought I may have thought he had oldfashioned views but no. What a great bloke. Was my hero in the day and is now. All the best Ian.
I went to a one day international between England and India at edgbaston back in the day and watched Allan Lamb making monkey gestures at the Indian supporters.
And a few years later, Indian players and supporters made monkey noises and gestures at Andrew Symonds.
My 7 year old daughter was listening to Beefys closing wisdom and said ‘that sounds like Dumbledore, he must have got it from Dumbledore’. I can’t imagine higher praise Sir Ian
Things That Did Not Happen.
great interview.
I could listen all day to Sir Both for me the most entertaining all rounder I've seen cheers
It's a shame that Ian Botham didn't speak more about the elitism that is making the game harder for those without to get a chance. Racism in the sport is a category within this elitism and Botham is guilty of the same generalizations that he is accusing the report of. Michael Vaughn has not had his career decimated. Gary Ballance has. I hope we can all agree that we've come to the right judgment on both individual cases.