The RX 7800 XT is SOLD OUT! Is this the GPU of the Year?
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- The first GPU that is sold out this year is the RX 7800 XT. I dive into the numbers to find out how this GPU sold out while every other launch this year was a flop. As a 1440p GPU, is this the GPU of the year! Should you consider buying? What is AMD's winning strategy?
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I got a 7800 XT. I didn’t need an upgrade from my 6800 but I sold it for a good price. It’s a nice performance upgrade and it’s much cooler and quieter than my old card. Plus it came with Starfield which I was going to buy anyway. So I feel pretty good about it.
Premium starfield aswell
nice copium comment 🤡
LOL, pushing Starfield a garbage game.
@Juice_VI With a good price for your 6800 and you were getting Starfield anyways...Well done!
This is precisely how I ended up with a 7900XT. Someone gave me good money for my 6800XT. I got Last of Us Part 1 and the 7900XT was $100 off already so I ended up, game price taken into account, paying in the range of $750 USD. I think maybe less than $200 out of pocket after all was said and done. Could not be happier.
Thank god channels like yours exist actually looking at numbers and data instead of what they would like reality to be.
There are always many opinions out there. How do you know what to believe? I always go back to data.
nvidia is so bad that the gpu of the year is a 6800 xt with av1
bahahaha
Facts detected..........
Its more than that.
@@kaisersolo76
It's not too huge of a simplification tbh. I'll allow it lol.
Love your style of video BTW. 7700XT at $449 is just a place holder launch price that is not only to provide an upsale path (as you pointed out) but to let the lower end 6000 series clear the channel. Gauranteed in a month or two they will be $399 once more lower end 6000 are sold through.
Thanks. I expect the 7700xt will be talked about a lot once the Black Friday sales hit.
I think you are spot on with the marketing approach. I might not have agreed prior to seeing the same strategy used with the 7700/7800 ... but its very transparent now
Thanks for sharing!
Great analysis.. and what you said is true, AMD is dominating the mid tier market and is more focused on gamers, something which Nvidia has forgotten.. forgotten that Gamers made them what they are today.. all for greed, so that's why am changing from team Green to team Red and upgrading from an RTX 2080 TI to a future proof RX 7800XT after 4 years..
Thanks and thanks for the feedback. NVIDIA is losing more people this gen but, they just don't care. Maybe this release will put a small dent in sales. Can't wait to find out next quarter or two.
Same reason I am switching from my 1070ti to a 7800xt after 7 years. I also don't see Nvidia changing anytime soon since AI is more profitable, which means they don't have any reason to care. meanwhile amd makes the cpu and gpu for Xbox and PlayStation so they really have a much greater incentive towards actually caring about gamers.
Interesting as a fellow 2080ti owner that you went for a 7800xt - I'd have thought with dlss it wouldn't have been worth upgrading to that. More of a sidegrade if anything. The only Radeon card I'd consider would be the 7900xtx but I play at 4k.
Went to AMD after 20 years with Nvidia and never look back. Last year 6700, now bought 7800xt Phantom. Amd cards looks so much better too.
It didn't sold out in my region. There is still plenty of stock available. The lowest price is 550 euros. In other words, 434 euros if we remove VAT. It is being sold at rock bottom prices in the Baltic region.
Maybe AMD should do a price cut to move some units?
Depending on the Region No card will sell out. People's standard needs to meet the price. If its out of people's buying power it can be half the price and it will sit on shelves. yeah few Rich people and Elitists will buy it bu it will not sell out.
Here 7800 xt cost $650 😢
434 Euros for a 7800 XT? I highly doubt that. I'd easily believe that if you're talking about a 7700 XT.
@@syncmonism You can check Kainos if you want. Price history is still there even if price rose to 606 euros since last time I wrote the comment.
@@syncmonism It is lithuanian site, so type it accordingly. It is PowerColor Radeon RX 7800 XT OC 16GB GDDR6. There you will find its pricing history.
Sold out for AMD Radeon could be a couple hundred compared to thousands to Nvidia.
yea thousands of 4060`s
amd definitely sold out of thousands lol
@@lhqs Well in the UK both the 7700XT & thee 7800XT sold out within 1 hour.
Amazing video ❤️ Good job 👍
Thank you 🤗
7800xt=6800xt at 500 after 3 years.Bravo AMD!!NVIDIA+AMD=BROTHERS FOR EVER!!
love your videos even though im not a gpu shopper. the ending has me a bit confused though, why shouldnt the buyer wait for the discount to the 7700?
Thanks. Every buyer SHOULD wait for the inevitable price drop on the 7700.
Do you know when a restock is coming in the US ?
Newegg is showing ETA on 9/12 on two GPUs however, they have moved that data once already. Amazon is listing mostly first week in Oct.
comparing a 3 year old of sales GPU (6800xt) to one day of sales GPU (7800xt) is simply wrong
the 7800xt is the only GPU to be sold out almost from start of 2023 against all the following (4070TI , 4070, 4060TI, 4060)
Yeah i was thinking the same thing
It is pretty easy to sell a few units and make an impression that "everyone want this GPU" by limiting supply... Nvidia does the same thing for quite some time now.
Why is it wrong?
The market share of the RTX 4090 is BIGGER than the market share of the _entire Radeon 7000 series combined_ on the Steam HW survey. The best selling RDNA2 product, the RX 6700 XT, which had been constantly been sold as the "best value GPU" for over 2 years now is already behind the RTX 4070 by a few percentage points. NVIDIA doesn't need to limit the supply, the demand is actually there man. If you want a real surprise just look at the install base of 3060s and 3070s on the Steam hardware survey, both GPUs surpass ALL RDNA2 products COMBINED.
You are comparing historical accumulated sales of +3 or 4 years against an acummulated sell of 1 week... The comparison makes no sense at all.@@ImaMac-PC
I wanted to play starfield at 4K 60 fps, for that I only had 2 choices the 4090 or 7900 xtx. I went with the 7900 XTX (my first ever AMD GPU) and I've been pc gaming since 2001. Luckily my 7900 xtx was an open box item and I was able to get it for "only" $839 which is better than the 1K msrp (and much less than a $1700 4090) but its still the most I've ever spent for a GPU. In the past I usually upgraded my GPU when nvidias last gen flagship cards got down to $500 used.
Best analysis I've seen here on this situation, I think there was just not that many cards available on launch day. At my local Microcenter the good $500 cards sold out by early afternoon and by the end of the next day everything was gone!
Hey, thanks for the feedback!
What do you do for a living? I am just curious if your profession required analylizing things like you do in your youtube videos.
It's insane how good your analytics is.
Thanks!
Tom from Moore's Law Is Dead suggests the high price of the 7700XT is also to encourage people to buy older 6800/XT stock instead suggesting prices will drop on the 7700xt when the older cards are run down. It doesn't look good them doing that - but I thought they didn't have lots of Navi 31 rejects to cut down so didn't want to sell many of them at first with the 7900xt.
How can it top sales when it's sold out?
Great commentary.
Thank you kindly
I have purchased the RX 7800 XT Nitro+ that has not yet arrived to replace my RTX 3060 TI.
I only use one game, MSFS2020 on an R9 5950X with 32 GB DDR4 and I have a lot of problems with the Nvidia drivers.
Nice 👍 subbed
Awesome thank you!
Still have my rtx 2070 at 1080p. Gaming upgrade paths are obvious but sometimes I think I want to do things in Blender and then I'm screwed again.
Good thing DLSS does help extend the life on the Turing cards.
Same for me, i want to upgrade, but i'm just waiting for a 16 GB 4070..lol
Also they were just sending out enough stock to find out what card sold better in what regions but they have a year of stock of these cards where ever they keep them. They have been stockpiling N32 for MONTHS. Those numbers will begin to skyrocket due to hit performance at launch for the 7800xt in the US and the 7700xt in europe.
Your analysis sounds pretty spot on. I picked up the Reference RX 7800 XT from AMD a few minutes after launch. I had previously tested an RX 6800 XT and moved onto an NVIDIA card so I was happy to jump back in the better value of an AMD card over an RTX 40 series card with $100-$200 markup. NDIVIA sure does know how to make gamers feel great about replacing their not so old 8GB card that won't even play some games at 1080p in 2 years.
With the overcharge from NVIDIA, you just don't feel good about the purchase. Glad AMD made the price difference significant enough at $100. If they can do $100 off the 4080 with the 7800xt, why can't they take $50 off the 4060 with the 7600 (missed opportunity).
How's it been gaming temps? Thinking getting the same one but apparently gets super hot.
@@menmabmx1995 I haven't installed it yet. I'm about to pick up a CPU and i'll be ready to build. According to the benchmarks I saw it runs at 85C hotspot which is pretty standard for AMD cards. At least that's right around what my previous RX 6800 XT was at. You can get an AIB model and get temps down like 10C or more if you want to go that route.
Nice just bought the hellhound version $20 more NZD. I hear it has good cooling .
Only when the 6800xt is no longer available might the 7800xt be a valid option. Even then, the second-hand market serves very well. Find a 6800xt for $400 usd, a 6900xt for $500 usd, or a 3080 Ti for $500-550 usd.
agreed
I was somewhat afraid of buying used. Watched some youtube videos and bought used. Now advocate for it. You just can't beat that value, as long as you test it beforehand/get good return policy.
(There are a lot of cards for sale that peple got after sep 2022 that have not been mining for a second, even still in warranty.)
Honestly, 400 for a used 6800 XT is too much.
Starfield codes sell for between 40 and 60, so you're only saving like 10% going for used last gen.
@@BarAlexC yes, and better yet, mining doesn't "break" the card, bad maintenance does. A miner who takes care of his GPUs is a great source of good cards. A gamer who never cleans his card, or never swap the thermal pads, is a much worse seller.
When mining, the card is running very cool, and is not stressed much (other than the memory, usually). Heavy gaming is much more stressing to a GPU than mining, even if mining is 24/7.
I just bought a 3080 Ti used for 600€. 2 years of warranty left with the Gigabytes extended 4 year warranty. Cleaned it properly, swapped thermal pads, and it's now running cool and sweet.
Buying 10GB card as in 3080ti is technically suicide 2023 as we know games wont be supporting that 10GB Vram for ultra quality in future not even for 1080p. Not to mention it drains 350w.
3080ti should be priced around 350 on used market max
@@OrcCorp Every 3000-series mined card is ticking timebomb as we know it. GDDR6X blows up after long periods of mining (this is proven multiple times). Ya they might undervolt the core but VRAM for sure is fucked up by that idiocy cause its OVERCLOCKED
I have to say I got the 7800xt and I am getting 250fps with max settings and the volumetric lighting on in Apex. This is something I can happily hang my hat on until RDNA5
My RTX 4070 has allready died and my GTX 1050 is nothing more than a glorified display adapter... So I need a new graphics card that can handle WQHD. It's been a long time since I've considered an AMD graphics card, but the RX 7800 XT is tempting. Even though it's 20 € above MSRP and thus comes pretty close to the RTX 4070 in terms of price.
Well, there is not a lot of 7700xt out there to choose from.... all the choice models that I would be interested in are on back-order. My case is kind of on the small size, so I need a dual fan model, and the MSI Gaming RX 6750 is the closest I could find (for immediate shipment). So I would like to buy a dual fan 7800xt or 7700xt, but I don't want to back-order it and wait and wait.
I was surprised there were not more dual fan models available for smaller cases. The MSI Gaming is nice since it is only about 250mm long. But it's about $350 at Newegg. Knowing the 6750 is at the end of the cycle and the 7700xt will likely be $399 or less for the Black Friday sales, I would highly recommend waiting if you can. For me, the 6750 would have to be closer to $300 to buy at this point...but that's just me.
Sapphire Pulse and Asrock Challenger
Of course a card that's been out for three days and is out of stock is going to have fewer sales than one that's been on sale for 33 months. It's incredible that you would make such a comparison. It's like you don't understand the difference between position and velocity
Sales shown are not cumulative. They have a complex algorithm to determine position. My experience from watching previous launches shows that if volume and velocity is high enough, it will climb to the top of the chart. We know velocity was high since it sold out. Thus, the low position points to weak volume.
This is a good analysis. Sentiment is that it is a among the best current gen options right now, however the 6800 XT looks like the best option in the price class right now. Once they sell out, it will go to the 7800 XT. So the possibility exists that it is a push for people to buy the 6800 XT knowing that current gen options don't blow it out of the water.
If about the same money for similar performance, I would always recommend the newer gen since it will likely get driver support longer. But that only matters if you intend on keeping the GPU for a long time (e.g. moving it to a secondary computer after a few years).
@@ImaMac-PC I think that's a pretty good mindset. I am the kind of guy that tends to go for used hardware. I got one on fb marketplace for $300 a few months ago, no problems at all. If a 6800 XT goes for between $300-$400 used, I go that way every time
I just ordered a "Sapphire Radeon RX 7800 XT Nitro +" to replace my "R9 390 Nitro + 8GB (2015)".
I run games at around +- 60 fps at 1080p. This is probably going to feel like an amazing upgrade, I can't wait to get it :)
Wow, an R9 390 Nitro+ with 8GB and running 8 years later! Yes, you are going to love that upgrade!
It's the first decent new GPU. No one wants to take the risk of buying used RTX3000 and RX6000 because there's a high probability it was cryptomined. If you're going to buy new, you might as well buy new generation. Still expensive and I'm definitely skipping this generation but I can see the appeal for others.
It does not offer any major improvement over 6800 XT in terms of perfromance. And in terms of price too, as 6800 XT was widely available for roughly the same price for many months, if not a year. What is the reason of the appeal?
@@stangamer1151 Not being an outright rip off like every GPU of the current generation. Don't suck is basically the appeal.
@@stangamer1151the appeal is most people aren't coming from a 6800 xt. I bought a 7800 xt, should finally arrive tomorrow, and I'm coming from a 2060. I can get up to and exceeding 4070 level frames for $100 less in some games, and beating the 4060 ti basically across the board. Year over year upgrades haven't made sense in a long time, if really ever when going to the same spot in the stack. But skip a generation and jump some spots in the stack because you saved up some cash and it makes a lot of sense.
@stangamer1151 Because alot of us have older cards, that's why.
It's a good value.
@@stangamer1151the 7800xt is quite efficient in comparison to 6800xt. my only gripe is that 7000 series gpus measure total board power. However, youtuber Vex measured total drawn wall power and his system consumed almost 80 watts or more with the 6800xt as compared to the 7800xt
I got an ASRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC open-box from Newegg for about the equivalent of $850USD, it was less than the RX 7900 XT. I couldn't say no (especially not here in Canada) to a price like that. I can honestly say that it is a PHENOMENAL card!
That GPU for that price is a great deal. Second best GPU on the planet for about half the price!
cant agree more, got 7800xt Phantom, OC to 2.9 Ghz card is sick.
I wouldn't use the best sellers rank as a comparator just a few days after release. This is calculated as sales over time, so give it a few weeks to average out.
Yesterday amazon added all if the 7800's to the get starfield for free promotion page. I canceled my order and reordered to get the game. First one showed delivery of sep 21.....this oct 4. One day later now it's sep 25. So don't look at the date as in stone. I comming from 2070s/3800x to 7800 nitro/5800x3d.
Thanks for the feedback. And that's going to be a very nice upgrade!
came here to thank you for amazing content. i love how unbiased you are unlike popular tech review channels. all they do is repeat the same boring nonsense instead of actually scratching below the surface and luckily, you do.
edit: these are good cards but very confusing labeling for some reason, seems like they are learning from nvidia... on a side note, I'd love to see the full ad102 silicone in action! hopefully nvidia releases the 4090ti (because there is not much point atm since amd literally has nothing to compete with the 4090 so nvidia would just be competing with themselves...)
edit2: I just don't understand what's with mainstream tech reviewers and dickriding amd to the point you'd think nvidia is releasing gtx 280s for $2000 when they aren't. ada lovelace is amazing from a technical standpoint, too bad their pricing isn't. Honestly I don't think we will see a similar generational uplift in a very long time (mainly talking about 4090 vs 3090 as every other gpu is labelled wrongly)
i must buy this card , hope they will be cheap in my place
lol, amd said they would allocate less at launch to better distribute to regions the next week (this week)
3 in the top ten on Amazon New Releases. Oh and your audience covers more than just the US.
Awesome content and analysis! What surprises me is that the #1 best-selling GPU is 3060.
Yes, the 3060 should be about a $200 GPU and people are buying them up at $300. NVIDIA name brand is stronger now more than ever.
I am going to buy it next month 100 %
What Jensen says is technically true as it's something I've said long before him. A console only fills 2 purposes, gaming and and very secondary media consumption. A PC is a vastly more multipurpose device, and everyone needs a computer to some extent any way. You primarily only need a GPU to play games in said PC.
Game optimization is bad right now, they suck the life out of your CPU to make up for it, so I disagree with your comment in that regard.
7800XT is a decent GPU. I doubt it's going to be enough to turn the tides against Nvidia. Especially since it came out much much later than Nvidia's offerings.
Pssst... not so much "turning the tide" but slowly gaining INSTALLED BASE marketshare perhaps? Steam hardware survey report MARCH 2023 (AMD 14.2% vs nVidia 77.1%) - AUGUST 2023 (AMD 16% vs nVidia 75%). Baby steps but in the right direction. Should be interresting to watch another year. AMD for the last few years has held 14% to 15% Installed base. They mostly focus on their bread and butter markets of CPU, Motherboards chipsets, Server space and Consoles. In 2022, the company reported revenue of $23.6 billion, gross margin of 45%. AMD is a beast of a company and slowly turning their eyes more towards the GPU market. It is a small piece of the pie for them. nVidia is diversifying as a move to ensure AMD does not RYZEN them with GPU's like they did Intel's CPU division. You ask me 6 years ago if AMD could threaten Intel? I would have laughed in your face. nvidia is not stupid and they are aware of what COULD be.
No one can. People should just stop being poor and crying about Nvidia prices. Shitel and AMDerp are for the poors.
I wont give another cent to leather jacket any more, yep 7800xt is beast!
Still available in Europe. Cheapest versions sold out. The more expensive ones are still available.
Makes you wonder. Why arent these cards showing up on the Steam Hardware Survey? It's been more than two months and I do own the card, so not sure why the 7800 and 7700 cards are basically noneexistance in their results. Doesn't help that its giving people false information thinking that AMD is doing poorly.
Still waiting to upgrade from my 1060 6GB. The next one should be 4 times faster at the same power usage. Maybe one of the next generations will deliver that.
The RTX 3080 Ti or the RX 6950 XT are about 4x faster. To get that performance for 120W...that 1060 will turn 10yrs old before that happens.
I know right? I could buy double the 5700XT's performance but that would mean (roughly) double the power consumption right now.@@ImaMac-PC
@@ImaMac-PC That's ok, I can wait and save a lot of electronic waste on the way. It seems the manufacturers reached a wall of physics either way; unable to raise performance without a significant raise of power consumption. That's why they focus on upscaling and compression techniques.
Odd, every single model of 7800xt has been completely sold out basically since launch at the microcenter near me...
Yes sapphire radeon rx 7800 xt nitro+ 16gb upgrade from MSI 480 4GB
That's a huge upgrade and to a very nice looking GPU! I love them Nitro+
In my region, RX 7800 XT is not sold out, but it is at rock bottom price. It sells from 522 euros at the moment. That is price with tax. That is strange because usually AMD products are not competitive in my region to the point Nvidia competes with them on value. Though, that page doesn't open at the moment, next lowest is at 542 euros which is still good.
In this particular case, AMD really finally made a GPU which is both cheaper and performs better than its Nvidia competitor - RTX 4070. Usually I would expect AMD to do AMD things and to price this GPU over 600 euros in my region, placing it as a more expensive option to RTX 4070 while performing slightly better. A strategy which would make them redundant as people would go for more premium brand if they offer the same value.
Sense I can get an RX 7900 XTX easily today, I'm sure they'll get the stock in by Christmas. But yea, $449?! We know what they're doing. I've got no problem with it being closer to the $320 6700 XT in price.
It might technically be a non XT higher end class of GPU. But, it's also better on power draw compared to it's predecessor. Much like the 7800X3D beating the 5800X3D.
it was much more impressive in the eu then. I believe I saw a total of 150 7800xt's sold on day one at mindfactory
Thanks for the feedback!
waiting for my 7800, finally made me move from my R9 290x!
2:50, I assume the Best Selling GPU list is the best selling over an unspecified time period, so it makes sense that a GPU that just released would be near the bottom.
Think about it: Why would a 6800 XT be in the top 10 and the 7800 XT be in the 70's if the latter has the same if not better price to performance?
There's also far fewer 6800 XT models available today than 7800 XT, so it seems even more implausible to guage launch sales from the list.
As for undersupply, according to MindfactoryDE, the 7800 XT is the best selling card this past week. They're pro-AMD but it sold more than all other AMD cards as well. So unless Mindfactory got disproportionately more supply than normal.
Also, the 7700 XT and 7800 XT cost nearly the same to make, are made of nearly identical parts, but sell for 50+ dollars apart. So limiting the supply of 7800 XT's to sell more 7700 XT's that make them less money simply makes no sense. It'd be like a car dealer limiting supply of the top trims to sell the base one they make way less on.
Imo, the 4060 TI's pathetic-ness and need/ability to sell N21/22 let the N32 price floor be 450, but the 4070 at 600 set the ceiling at 500. That's a super narrow range, but they still needed 2 SKU's due to yields being good but imperfect and branding.
So they prioritize the 7800 XT and the 7700 XT is mostly made from defective GPU dies that would otherwise go in the bin. Since the 7700 XT has far less supply, it can be given a higher price (as the "correct" price based on price:performance would lead to it selling out faster than 7800 XT due to lack of supply and higher market volume at 400 than 500).
The 7900 XT is a strange situation since AMD made it in a larger supply, yet priced it less competitively. My guess is that since it was up in the air whether the renamed 4080 12GB would get a price drop, AMD matched its original price and would just reduce it if the renamed 4080 12GB launches for less.
I think if AMD knew the 4070 TI would launch just 3 weeks after them for 800, they would've made the 7900 XT 800. They were caught in a bind since it looks bad to cut the price just weeks after launch, so they took the L in that moment and just gradually lowered the price over a few months.
It is interesting that at Mindfactory, the 7800xt outsold the 7700xt almost 12:1. The pricing on the 7700xt is inherently wrong and they should have learned that from the 7900xt launch. It does not matter how NVIDIA is going to price any of its GPUs when the price within their own stack does not make any sense. Why would AMD price the second product wrong twice in a row?
so logic, how can you outsell a product by number when the product you want to outsell is longer on the market ? this will not happen just any days after the release.
You need months that for.
the Rx 7800xt is outselling the RTX 4070TI for sure because the RTX 4070TI cost WAY more money and eat more watt and deliver equal performance.
I usually love your analysis and videos, but not this one. The presumption that scalpers will gobble up any in-demand product is false. Scalpers will only do that in a PRICE INSENSITIVE market like we had in the pandemic. The current market has both AMD and NVidia struggling to sell at MSRP (hence the game bundle promotions, coupons and price cuts) - there is no room for scalpers to play. Also, doesn't it take time for sell through for a new GPU to climb up sales charts?
Also we're almost a year into RDNA3, do you really expect a card that matches previous gen in price/performance (if compared to the 6800XT) with a few niche features like AV1 to be a blockbuster? I think based on your own analysis we'd expect it to be a sales success, but not a blockbuster which is exactly what you're seeing. The 7800XT is the least worst current gen 1440p GPU that still gives you reasonable 1440p hi refresh performance (unlike the 4060Ti) - that's both a good and a bad thing and that's that.
I do agree with one thing you've said - AMD's winning formula is not insulting gamers and flipping of Jensen setting the 'transaction price' for 1440p. There is also another part to the formula, that is to make console first games more performant on AMD GPUs or at least easier to optimize for AMD cards.
Thank you for your thoughtful feedback. I actually didn't have any presumptions on scalpers behavior on the 7800xt. I just want to see if the scalpers influenced the selling out of the 7800xt. As for the GPU sales position, I've seen them update within hours at Amazon and a couple of days at Newegg and Microcenter. Obviously, Newegg and Amazon only had then for about a day or two. That's why I monitored them Th, F, Sat and showed the highest positions in the video.
@@ImaMac-PC Got it! So not exactly flying off the shelves like 4090s in minutes because they're a new level of performance, price/performance. Appreciate the clarification, sir! Keep up the good work.
It's a great 1440p card and i dont need to buy a new power supply 🌝
It would be the GPU of the year if it wasn't for the fact it is still an AMD GPU, and that NVIDIA GPU's won't go down in price as a result of this launch. But that just might be my saltiness over spending $650 on a 3060 Ti last summer after waiting so long speaking for me.
Too bad, you can buy new 3060 Ti's for $300 dollars less now, how the mighty have fallen!
That's a really compelling theory about AMD's pricing strategy. I'm still a bit skeptical considering all the other questionable if not downright stupid marketing blunders AMD has made over the past years like over representing the 7900xtx performance at launch, or the whole situation with DLSS in starfield and their late response to that. Maybe this is one of their harebrained ideas that is actually working.
You have to ask yourself, if they did it with the 7900xt and everyone in the world said it was stupid then, why would they repeat that same thing with the 7700xt? Time will tell...
@@ImaMac-PC That's a fair point. I wouldn't put it past them to be doing it for the reasons you speculate, I just question whether it is worth the consumer confusion it creates in the long run, especially paired with their goofy naming scheme for gpus this generation.
I love how you are the only person I've found that doesnt coddle Radeons sack. This is another great video that calls out the bs. I am curious how often the top seller charts get refreshed or how many days worth of data is included though. But personally, I think these cards are an embarrassment to Radeon, especially the 7800XT. No performance upgrade whatsoever, no price to performance improvement, and less than half the price of the Geforce 80-class card. The 7800XT is a freaking joke. But it doesnt seem like most of the usual GPU commenters on CZcams think so. They're just blinded by it not being as egregious as other recent products recently, but 99% of them will never actually buy one. If you wanted a card at this performance and price point, what were you waiting on? They already existed.
Thanks. Yes, NVIDIA put an over-priced 1080p GPU in this price range and now anything looks good compared to that. But everyone kept saying the 7800xt was selling out...so I had to investigate.
He's doing what 95 % of graphic card youtube are doing, delivering the negativity and skepticism. Get off his sack
Why the F would a scalper buy a card if they cannot raise the price? They know if they raise the price even $50, people still have mountains of 4070 within $50 and would not buy from a scalper LOL. The whole market is saturated. So it's defaintely NOT any indicator of anything to not find cards on ebay in 2023 LOL. The shortage is over.
Exactly. The age of the scalper is largely over
@@66kaisersoza Can I get an Amen! :D
😁😁
You make too much economic sense ... but he's not gonna let it in the way of his views / conspiracies
Good thing about AMD stagnation that intel ARC has time to catch and surpass Radeon in near future
That could be a real thing by the time Celestial hits on TSMC 3nm.
I bought 7900xtx upgrading from gtx 1080. I wanted to switch to amd because of fsr. If it wasn't for that technology I wouldn't have been able to enjoy all these games during the pandemic and people need to understand that things take time. At launch the game of choice horizon zero dawn crashed all the time. All the other games were great. Drivers got better and now we are starting to get the new technology that was promise hyper rx and fsr 3 soon. Stay tuned to the mods that people will use to upgrade fsr 2 to fsr 3 right away. Their frame fluid motion in the future. I really appreciate amd even though nvidia has all the money and ability to be the power house in the industry. Amd has so many companies they are trying to feed their technology too and demand that going with smaller nm made no sense. They tried chiplet design and it might have no worked out. It will get better it's similar to ryzen when it came out. It added more cores, but the speed was just good enough for people to go sure I will get one. Price was decent too and now fast forward they are neck and neck with intel. Seeing that 8000 will beat 14 gen intel. It's always amd beating them one year and intel the next. I enjoy the competition and really think gamers should have more of open mind. Just like amd has up source technology for everyone where it's available. Hyper rx will probably come to older cards. It takes time because they aren't even finished with all of these things they promised.
That's a great upgrade! I'm also looking forward to FSR3.
To be Clear - I think you went way to early - you cannot get the card currently, check again Mac. other outlets are saying the opposite to you.
If I wasn't 30 years into PC gaming, I'd nope right out of all of this and go for consoles. AMD and Nvidia are both behaving horribly with their GPU pricing.
Warzone Ultra 120 no FSR 1440p, Cyberpunk the same Ultra 1440p and more on the XFX 7800xt....
7800 XT was sold out probably only in the U.S., where it actually retails close to the MRSP $100 lower than 4070. Elsewhere in the world, where it is not the case, it wasn't sold out on the launch day or perhaps even now. It is widely available even now in Australia and Japan, where 7800 XT retails roughly at the same price as 4070. The situation in the EU sits in between, probably because 7800 XT often retails at the price roughly $50 below that of 4070.
I really appreciate that feedback. Thank you!
It's sold-out in France and Germany
@@misterx2131 According to GPU Tracker, it is still available in Germany althought it seems to have been sold out in France. Actually you can find some models available at MindFactory.
Sould out on a few stores? on US Market?
Is incredibly disingenious to call that a Sold out situation...
I should clarified. I am learning they are not sold out in most other regions.
yes
You are comparing sales numbers of cards that have been in the market for over a year to one that's been released a few days ago. How's that relevant at all?
You making the assumption that the position in the top 100 is based on cumulative sales. It is not.
@@ImaMac-PC So what is it based on? You're not explaining the way you calculate it. Or are you just trusting companies like Amazon? Not very good journalism.
You sound terrifying accurate of AMD's Nvidia enhanced upsell strategy.
JPR predicted gpu market grow between 2018-2027 tenfold (from 20 to 200bil USD)
Now simply check supply: Shouldn't be now bigger variety of gpus or at least same number of models vs 2019?
/Even AIBs seems to dissappear going rather make PSUs, which seems have stable sales, prices etc. (bit joking) /
7800XT here start at 510USD at single smaller online shop, but 4070 also available for 527USD, the gap doesn't look like 100USD!!
Only 7700xt starts at 450USD MSRP.
7800XT is 263W TDP vs 4070 200W, that 7800XT asks 3fans IMHO, such 7800XT start at 560USD..so upsell to 4070 instead of to 7700XT.
I have 6650xt since Dec 2022 (280USD plus VAT.) I know I payed extra 30-40per to have it, the price dropped few months later. EU is bit behind with discounts.
Is a more than 50% improvement in performance per dollar only a modest improvement from one generation to the next?
Inflation has been higher than normal in the last three years, and that's at least mostly not AMD's fault. The dollar isn't worth as much as it used to be, like it or not.
People are also comparing pricing of the new cards to the current and heavily discounted prices of the previous gen 6000 series, not realizing that those cards are only priced that way so that they can remain competitive with the new generation cards (such as the RTX 4070 which already released a few months ago).
The 6800 XT was 650 USD when it launched in 2020, which is equivalent to about 770 USD today, so the 7800 XT is more than 33% cheaper, with about the same performance, and that's more than a 50% improvement in performance per dollar.
However, it's arguably more appropriate to compare the 7800 XT to the 6700 XT, or to whatever the best value cards of the previous generation were. The 6700 XT launched at 480 USD in early 2021, and that's equivalent to about 540 USD today. The 7800 XT is 43% faster, has 33% more Vram, a lot more memory bandwidth, the quality of the coolers seems to be better on most models, and there are also some additional benefits of the new architecture, and for a LOWER price if you adjust for inflation. However, the 6700 XT was probably originally planned to launch at a lower price than that, likely very close to 430, which is equivalent to about 485 USD today.
500 USD today is equivalent to about 420 USD in 2019, when the 5700 XT first launched at 400 USD, and was widely praised as offering very good value at the time. The 7800 XT is about 90% faster, and has double the Vram.
Progress in value is definitely still happening. The rate of progress is definitely slowing, and we should definitely be as critical as possible toward these companies, their products, and their pricing, but, if you want to make an argument that the price of a product is too high, you have to use accurate information and sound arguments.
It also sucks that average incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, and I think we can give some portion of blame to AMD for their role in that, but it's primarily not their fault, not unless Lisa Su is even more of a mad genius than we already know she is, and she's somehow secretly controlling the global economy XD XD XD
Thanks for the comment. I do have a question on inflation. It's always used to explain the high prices of every thing including GPUs. However, what if you use your inflation calculator on another computer part. In Nov-2020 AMD launched the 5950x for $799. Also, Intel had the i9-10900k for about $500 by Nov-2020. If you put those two prices into your inflation calculator, what would they both be equivalent to in today's dollars?
i just bought a 7800 xt
Something doesn’t add up… how could the 7800 xt be in the top of best selling period?? It’s sold out. It would need more quantity to keep up with the numbers of cards that have been around years longer than it. Make it make sense.
The best selling cards shown are not cumulative since launch. Amazon claims to update their list on an hourly basis. Big sales like during Prime day will have products climb to the top rather quickly.
@@ImaMac-PC okay, but if only 100 of one product is available, and 600 of an old product is available… still makes no sense.
fyi, they sold out due to scalpers not because of gamers!
6800 is a 7800xt..stop.. Gpu no sense
Sounds like the 7800xt sold out cause they didn't have many to sell. (ok he pretty much showed that being the case in the video)
I wouldn't risk putting an AMD GPU in my system. Not because there's anything wrong with the hardware, but because of all the sloppiness AMD introduces, if they fixed all of the "QC" issues more people would take them seriously.
This card is a nothing-burger not pushing the needle any forward just replacing the old card. But...
Nvidia cards below the 4090 are so terrible (the lower the tier the bigger the scam) that this 7800xt looks good in comparison and is looking better than it should because the 4070 is rebranded 4060 with 12GB of VRAM. This whole generation is a joke. Skip-it generation
"Skip-it" all around this gen.
the 7800 and 7700 have the same chip i think and even Scott Herkelman said that the stock will vary at launch and that the AIBs have the liberty to "inovate with the skus". For me the launch was just a test to see how many of these chips will end up as 7800 and how many will end up as 7700. the rumor is that they have been hording these chips since January waiting for nVidia to finish putting out their line-up to see if they can ask more money for these or not. The price for the 7800 is ok, could be lower i guess a bit maybe but still i don`t feal like i`m getting ripped off paying the money for it but the 7700 looks like a rip off and these gpus are going to be fare and between till they bin some more navi 32 chips and ldecide to lower the price on it. great job as always mate with the analysis
Thanks!. The lateness of this launch I think is more a testament to how much RX6800 GPUs were still around and how long it took to "empty the shelves".
Got a 7800 xt. I came from a 2070S.
Same price range and same performance tier. That's a good upgrade!
They have never sold ANY 7600 or 7800 in the EU & UK store.
Think AMD only cares about smashing the USA, if there is none before Christmas 23 AMD will be on my not to purchase list. That's all AMD stock.
RX 7800 XT is a good card, but it's stagnation. Offering RX 6800 XT-class performance at $150 lower MSRP is decent. Unfortunately, 6800 XT is starting at $500 vs. 7800 XTs sells from $500 to $560. Price-to-performance is meh. AMD is undercutting NVIDIA RTX 4070 by $100, which is similar to RDNA I pricing strategy. AMD and their AIBs have been stockpiling of Navi 32 cards while they wait for RDNA II cards to sell out for months, and I wonder if they can maintain their sales of the new cards to keep prices stable. I doubt NVIDIA will let this slide without a reply, and NVIDIA might respond by the Christmas 2023 with game bundles, price cuts, and/or SUPER refresh.
I'm looking forward to the sales this holiday! NVIDIA will likely respond with small price cuts and bundles like you say. I think they save the SUPER refresh for next year if Intel Battlemage is competitive.
It's a very underwhelming product. At 500 dollars it's still better to get NVIDIA for the vastly superior features and software compatibility. There is no single metric where the Radeon brings anything unique, better or significantly ahead of the GeForce products in all honesty. This is the problem with Radeon's entire product line, nobody wants it.
I’d say the best gpu that came out is is either a 4060 or a 4090 with a 90 cable mod adapter v1
Just came from micro center. They had 30 7800xt’s in stock. On the other hand I saw 3 people on line picking up rtx 4070i’s 😂
That's hilarious. Maybe I should have tracked the sales of the 4070/ti cards too.
@@ImaMac-PC yeah 7800xt needs to win. I have a 4090, but these prices are out of control with no end in sight.
rip nvidia
you should worry they whatcing you 😅😅😅
Yes!!!
& it still sucks.
Damn 9 months into RDeadOnArrival 3's launch AMD Copeon Terrible Group still has supply issues for their GPUs. RIP AMD🎉
And AMD clowns were claiming these GPU were going to destroy Nvidia, how foolish
cry nvidia fanboy
Well I have a 4070, but honestly AMD kinda did destroy nVidias offerings. If I was buying now I'd be a fool to buy a 4070. Unfortunately at the time when I bought the 4070, it came with Diablo 4 (I think that was the main reason I bought it, the offer was gonna run out in a couple of weeks) and the model I bought had a small discount (only 5%). At the time there were also rumors that AMD might not even release a 7800xt. Unfortunately in nearly all the recently released games the 7800xt absolutely annihilates the 4070. Usually it's roughly 20% faster in new games and in Starfield I think it's more than 40% faster. While costing $100 less... feels I got "scammed" again, my previous GPU was an RTX 2080,... yeah that one sucked too. The 4070 does better in older games, but in recent releases... I donno it just sucks for some reason.
Nobody thought this though.
I saw video after video of people saying the 7800xt was going to be a flop 🤣🤣🤣
Nvidia literally got destroyed
@@wawaweewa9159 You wish
3rd degree price 7800XT at $499 sold out, GPU of the year? AMD sold most of them first week into SI pre-builts (similar 4060 8 GB at launch) and for AMD plus SI 2nd degree Starfield bundle cost hit. I thought $499 was a regulating price cap but on day 1 sold out its 3rd degree consumer discriminatory price pulling specific volume of consumer (run down) supply ahead into producer's ramp to set $499 as run end price. So back to the same old. Channel is selling 7800XT for $569 to $599 indicating channel disliked the 3rd degree pricing and similar 7700XT at $449 which is truly a first degree price AMD wants the channel to find the right price for 7700XT and channel also priced up 7800XT to 1st degree application competitive price. Into q4 and through q1 AMD and the channel, Nvidia and even Intel except for Meteor mobile are on a supply elastic price drive to clear out inventory. There are 10 M N31/32 to clear before the q4 fab production refresh for onto 2024. mb
Newegg and Amazon grade SKU rankings are not WW channel and there can be big differences between retail so said selling specific retail sales ranking and what is actually selling / trading in the channel. mb
I'm a Mac sure sounds like JF. Is this Jeff Fisher? mb
Yea AMD and Nvidia game theorists know all about how to game pricing and end buyers but the reality is always application competitive perfect pricing. mb
Nothing can make me rush and buy these overpriced graphic cards. I'll check back around black friday and/or new year time.
Haste makes waste...
The problem with your theory is this:
1) Hardware Unboxed talked with AMD representatives and they appeared clueless in regards to what they were doing - marketing. They seemed to be unaware of their own GPU's performance.
2) Enthusiasts are not buying AMD GPUs. They are buying the best and that is Nvidia.
3) Normal people do not care about such tactics. They buy a GPU when they need it. They have no clue of what is happening in GPU market outside the time when they need new GPU.
4) Normal people buy in low to mid range. They rarely go into enthusiast-grade GPUs.
I saw that Hardware Unboxed video. AMD reps can claim to be clueless... the first time. They have had 9 months to get all the feedback from the community. They can no longer make the claim to be clueless. So the big question is, why would they repeat the same behavior...unless, it was intentional in the first place.
@@ImaMac-PC Occam's razor. Do not attribute something to malice which just as well could be explained by the incompetence.
Retail business does not work like that. These are physical products which take up space. Third party sellers quickly get anxious for having product stick on shelves. All for dubious benefit of forcing people to buy a card which they do not want.
Furthermore, GPU manufacturer does not benefit if stock is low. They sell to a retailer. Retailer then adds premium. If GPU is sold at a premium, retailers and then GPU manufacturers like MSI are first in line to get that extra premium.
yep this guy is just hustling conspiracies for views
Clearly paid by nvidia... nice try.
How? I said NOTHING nice about NVIDIA in this video. You obviously did NOT watch the video.
rx 7700 xt should not be more than $400. to get people even buying rx 7700 xt over 4060ti 16gb. yes its faster but it lack 4gb vram, dlss 3 & power efficiency. simply not worth it.
16gb is excessive only needed for 4k, people(most gamers anyway) not doing ai will not care, dlss3 is a real issue and power efficiency is kid of eh, a lot of people own a 3080 I dont think gamers need to conserve that much power but for some ig small minority tho.
@@clinged2711 wrong idea. Gamers who pay their own power bills definitely care about power efficiency. 12 gb is totally fine but for now. Just in few years it won't be. Similar to 3070 with 8gb. So that's why 16gb is necessary for future proofing & gamers who enjoy max settings gameplay
@@marufulislam4311 for 4k 16gb is a must but 12gb is just good for 1440p even when the 3070 came out some reviewers were slamming it for having 8gb, this isn't a secret, you can do 1440p max settings with 12gb of vram, look ik gamers can about power bills but a lot of gamers already own gpus that take more power than a 7700xt on steam hardware survey, its not as big an issue as ur making it out to be.
AIBs still have plenty of 6750xt stock that they need to move on.
If the 7700xt was priced too low it would piss off those AIBs
@@66kaisersoza than they should should lower the rx-6750xt price under $350 & put rx-7700 at $400. That way they can clear stock & sell some rx-7700xt along as well.
Another AMD bashing video??... Oh how common.
That's usually how they are then buy a 45 billion Nvidia gpu.
And I even find my AMD positive comment missing here mysteriously.
He is speaking facts both companies should be criticized
Outside of the 7700xt, what part do you consider bashing?