If you're looking around for a BB pistol I would recommend this one czcams.com/users/postUgkxnX9wE_Q8zvF75Y5iWzTU3Q4FlrtyGApQ . I ordered two BB pistols from Dan Wesson and this one is so much nicer than the other one. It's a well built gun. Can't say that about the other one. I thought the Mag was pretty easy to load. I also just lock the spring back and fill up the hole with 16 BB's with no sweat. Easily remove the rear part of the handle from the bottom with the Mag removed to access the CO2 chamber. Sweet. Very nice painted sights on both ends. Doesn't have blowback but the gun is rated at 410 fps the blowback edition is 365 fps.Didn't really know much about BB guns before but now I see that Umarex makes some fine BB guns. You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer CO2 air pistol than this one I think. Just seems flawless. It even states on the packaging Glock perfection. I think my next Airgun may very well be an Umerex. Oh and if you really want a blowback (don't think amazon sells the Glock w/blowback) you might consider the Beretta APX by Umarex. But that gun is only rated at 310 fps. All things being equal, if it were me I'd buy the Glock again in a heartbeat :)
@@GrosserAndrew5000 Thiers a real life disposable suppressor brand it does 30 rounds or something like that before it gets really load. Might be a cheap can that is prewet when bought.
I was a great privilege to meet John in person yesterday in the class that he gave. Great info. The recoil reduction is totally true. I was amazed with the demo gun they left us use.
John Hollister is a great dude. Can’t wait to get my SRD762 and SRD22x out of nfa jail. I’m about 5 months on an individual so any day now I should be getting a call. Can’t wait!
If suppressors add or decrease accuracy is a much more complex question than ‘yes or no’ can answer. A point of impact shift is almost guaranteed. Barrel harmonics & bullet design are major factors to if you’re adding or subtracting from your weapon’s accuracy.
Well that would be true, if they are subsonic. Not so much affect on supersonic. Lighter bullet, such as, the .22 lr will have a deviation track of about 1 inch at 25 yards. Now on a .45ACP it would hardly matter at any of the effective ranges because it wont travel to rifle ranges. I agree to a point, but try not to generalize all suppressors into one group.
Good info!! Enjoyed watching!! Didnt ever hear about these discrepancies but always good to know if u own and have a concealed carry.... Thank u for the info.... Made me do more research. Peace and blessings
On a side note, I know a man who came into a pile of money once and decided to increase his gun collection. So he went down to his local gun store where he'd done business for several years and talked it over with the guy who owned the store and they struck a deal on the guns he wanted to buy. I might add it was a rather large purchase, however in this state you can buy large amounts of guns with the correct paperwork and taxes paid. Just like what this fellow is saying about the suppressors. So the guns come in a few at a time, different companies, different deliveries, plus ammo and a few other gun related products. The guy bought like $30K dollars worth of guns at one time and then was looking to spend about the same amount again when the nice people at the ATF showed up and wanted to speak with him. He hadn't broken any laws and all his paperwork was correct, they just wanted to be sure, A he had a safe place to store them and B he wasn't reselling them or sending them to others who couldn't buy guns. Anyway, he checked out and all was good, but he said when he answered the door and the guys identified themselves as ATF agents his first words were, "Ok, let me call my attorney first." They told him that was fine if he'd feel better with his attorney." They told him the only thing they was a red flag was the shear number of guns he'd bought at once by a single person. Once he showed them where he had the stored and that he still had them all. Everything was good and they signed off on his second request for more guns.
Hmm.. I know a very similar story in my area of a person whom had also bought a large amount of firearms from a retail store that I work for and nearly exact same situation. Wonder if we have the same person.
Oh no, we need the ATF, what we don't need is no one checking because we live in a world filled with people who have no business having guns. As they are terrorist, they are crazy or they are simply a ticking time bomb. I'm good with deep background checks and anyone with a nice clean record should be ok with it too. It's been my experience the only ones who don't like it are the ones who have silly things like felonies and other stuff that might prevent the gun sale.
@TheAceOfSpades Hmmm? Where was yours. this happened in outside Marietta, GA. I have to admit if I came into a large sum of money I might be doing the same thing. I do enjoy my guns. The guy in question did something most of us can only dream of, he built himself a new home and instead of worrying with gun safes like us regular guys have, he built a massive gun vault. like 20' x 40' inside. 4'_0" thick walls heavily rebarred 5'-0 floor and ceiling thing was built like a Federal Reserve vault and poured with 12, 000 PSI concrete. Wasn't anyone gonna just unbolt the thing from the floor and wheel it off to open at their leisure. I remember when I saw it I was pretty sure anything short of a tank was gonna have a tough time getting in it. Not that it was impossible, but it was gonna take a lot of time and effort.
As someone who listens to youtube mostly like a radio while I'm working... I wish that you guys had decided to state each myth aloud instead of just showing it on the screen silently. For future reference...
Great video, I would point out though that the .22 calibre can be made silent with a moderator/silencer. Also some moderators/silencers are not symmetrical in their internal designs when dispersing the gasses, so logically can change the point of impact with and without the moderator attached.
U are totally correct with what you say about the symmetry affecting the trajectory. In fact despite different ballistics, the addition of a silencer/moderator onto a PCP type rifle can also affect the trajectory, various factors dependent.
@@jonlee5642 yeah, good ol' CT - hubby and I escaped from there going on 4 years now... We live happy, retired and FREE here in Central Tennessee! We are very blessed to be here. Check out the website for Fairfield Glade, TN on the Cumberland Plateau......it's closest place to Paradise that we've found! there are so many gun owners and veterans just in our neighborhood, we feel pretty safe! fairfieldglade.net
"There is nothing that you as a consumer can purchase in America and pay the taxes on, that you give up the 4th amendment right to protection from illegal search and seizure" Tell that to bump stock owners!
It's sad because when this video was made, I believe bump-stocks were still legal. I think the concept of taking bump-stocks is dumb because you can hip-fire a rifle all to hell and still get the same effect if you fire it correctly. Kinda reminds me of the whole bayonet lug thing, if someone really wanted a bayonet they could just tape a goddamn kitchen knife to the end of their rifle and that would be that
I've been wondering how a sig suppressor is maintained. I would imagine after a while it gets very dirty, but it's welded one piece construction. Could you guys do a maintenance video like you do for oiling your guns?
TK-2M4 Centerfire Rifle cans, like 5.56 sort of self clean, they get a gray ash build up about the thickness of construction paper and that's it from then on. Tests show even after 100s of rimfire rounds and it gets all dirty, shooting a few mags of 5.56 will break up and clean it back out. Now pistol cans are not the same, 9mm will need cleaning as it just doesn't have the pressures as like the 5.56 Hope this helps.
@@TrashPanda71 Telling people to use 556 for cleaning a 22 suppressor is down right dangerous. If you don't understand why...then you shouldn't speak on it.
Florida Man No no.. after shooting .22lr ammo in a centerfire can, you can shoot it clean again with a number of high psi rounds.. I never said shoot 5.56 in a rimfire can.
It can not though speed it up. it could only be slowed down if the projectile is being affected by any internal turbulence prior to exiting. This internal turbulence can arise from a poorly designed suppressor or one which is not matched to the ballistics of the weapon of choice and I would go as far as suggesting the load as well of course.
Here in the UK suppressors are free 'will issue' add ons to our firearms certificate. 'Hearing safe levels' are a little misleading, the supersonic crack which no suppressor can eliminate is still around 130db although its duration is much shorter. Yes the boom has gone but whilst it is not uncomfortable to shoot occasional rounds without hearing protection it is not long term/frequent exposure harmless.
I couldn't afford a sig but a friend got the .308 ar looking version and it was so nice looking . Quality. The kick was .308 unlike an ar and it worked well for planting a bunch of pine clones . Damn it made some big holes . I want to put one of these on my ruger
How the myth that the high cost of suppressors is justified? How could an object with non-moving parts cost more than the complicated firearm it's attached to???
If they weren’t NFA items they would be super cheap because everyone would be buying them and there would be lots of competition. They’d probably be included with the gun in some cases.
@@thorcharger8609 Why are guns so cheap then? My suppressor is the most expensive thing on my gun. Its also the most regulated. Do you think regulations make things cheaper to produce? Capitalism is the only economic system that doesn't involve force. socialism, communism, fascism, crony capitalism, etc, they all involve violence to maintain.
I have a suppressor on a bolt action 0.22RF and, when loaded with subsonic ammunition, there is no noise from the escape of gas. The noise of the firing pin hitting the cartridge is all one can hear, and is similar to it hitting a spent case. The noise of the bullet hitting the target is the loudest noise you hear. Supersonic ammo produces a loud snap, which is peculiarly non-directional.
Well technically speaking that would be "less accurate" than where you had it zeroed. I think you and him are arguing that there is no decrease in precision. You'll have to account for the change to bring accuracy back on point.
Can you explain the best way to eliminate the blood splatter at close range,and also what form do I need to obtain to carry out this from the local authority
Is the company "Sionics" still in operation? I remember, MANY years ago, I read an article in one of the gun magazines I was subscribed to, about field testing a Steyr SSG. 308 rifle equipped with a Sionics suppressor. This was well before there was an internet, so.. the article, "said", that basically, the only real discernable sounds that could be heard, was the trigger mechanism releasing the firing pin, the firing pin striking the primer, and then the rifle slug striking the steel target down-range. At that time, I believe Sionics was contracted to manufacture supressors for military applications.
@@mariosebastiani3214 if I recall the magazine article correctly... they did say that they were using hand-loaded SUB-sonic ammunition during that specific field test.
SIONICS studys in operational negation or insurgencies and counter subversion. Mitchell Werbell same man that hooked up with ingram to form MAC military armament co. Witch made the MAC 10 11 12 13. The MAC weapons with SIONIC suppressors were formidable weapons.
bonus fact y'all any and all laws that restrict your right to own a gun or ammo or parts (including suppressors) is not valid according to the bill of rights and contitution
Possibly unconstitutional....but good luck winning that battle in court. You'll go bankrupt before you ever make it out of state with the court systems.
Many old ones were simply constructed upon the orifice plate principle and they actually work very well. It's now so much marketing and hype. The real test that people should be talking about is what it is supposed to do and that is reduce the SPL to some level which is bearable by the shooter, otherwise it's rather pointless and possibly expensive too. Once above 90db unsuppressed, this is loud near ones ear if unprotected. 85db reduced by a say 10db would be a good reduction for say a small calibre such as a 0.22.
Here in kaliForniA, the only way to legally own and possess a suppressor is if you are an FFL/SOT. And you must keep all LICENSES current and up to date valid.
in regards to the velocity myth, he is indeed correct but there are some types of suppressors that are designed differently and actually do slow down bullets.
No, I dont agree one single bit with you. Most are very affordable. The cost associated with most weapons on the market is almost on par across the board. This helps weed out inferior or unsafe models and keeps them off the market. Owning, carrying, and utilizing a firearm requires a measure of safety that needs to be managed correctly. These are not toys. Without safety you are not just putting yourself at risk but others around you. As far as training goes. If you aren't willing to pay to learn how to use your weapon correctly and safety, well, you probably should own one then. That is just as simple as the nose on your face. If you disagree then I dont want to be in any close proximity to you or have my family around you. You would be more dangerous then the firearm itself.
Never could understand the paranoia about suppressors in the USA. They have been freely available without regulation here in New Zealand for over 60 years to my certain knowledge. One can buy a suppressor without having a firearms license here for that matter. Most hunters use them now so that ear protection is not necessary.
I always find that funny that countries with stricter gun laws than the US have more liberal supressor laws. I mean i get that once you pass all the scrutiny to get a gun that most people are gonna say that you are probably good to go for a supressor. And most of them just look at it as etiquette because a gun is loud and its good manners to turn it down a little so as not to disturb your neighbors. I guess here in america we havent figured out that the average person can shoot a gun much faster than the average person can react to being shot at so being able to hear the shots give you no advantage in being able 'dodge' those bullets. Silly Americans.
I see that the lobbyists for suppressor freedom in the USA have stressed the health angle...which is a good approach. Wearing ear muffs in the hunting field is a bad idea, but the muzzle blast of that old '06 is not funny at all. An over-barrel suppressor turns the 'bang' into 'pop' and the noisiest bit is the crack of the departing projectile. Oh by the way, moderators are totally forbidden in Australia apparently, but then a lot of nice things that go bang are forbidden there too... So far in NZ we can own ARs etc...... in fact three of my own rifles are illegal to possess in Californistan.... :-)
One piece of info I wouldn’t buy a quick detach type suppressor because they can be shot off if not placed on the barrel just right. Threaded On Suppressors’s are better in my opinion because they are either on correctly or not. There’s no in between. I’ve seen quick detach suppressors shot down range by accident. Plus I seen no reason to put your suppressor on real fast so not sure why you need quick disconnect type anyway.
I would disagree with that statement most spec ops know if a suppressor will be needed on a mission and would already have it mounted ready to go. Threading one on only takes a few more seconds anyway.
*_HELLO, I NEED INFO FOR MY P229 357 Sig. IM HAVING TROUBLE FINDING A HOLSTER WITH RAIL OR EVEN WITH OUT RAIL. ALSO I NEED A P229 357 SiG STAINLESS STEEL GUIDE ROD AND STAINLESS IN COLOR.40 BARREL. Can’t find exactly what I need. I keep getting p229 for 9mm_*
Thank you ,thank you ,thank you ,I get tired of explaining it's not a silencer but a suppressor, it's called by its meaning of what it does ,so many people claiming to know weapons make videos saying it's a silencer, I say if you call it a silencer on a range it shows how much of an amateur they are . Sigs are quality side arms ,I manage to let a few off on a range and just felt sure footed in hand like it was molded for it
i'm not understanding the state to state travel @ 4:00. he states a form 5320.20 needs to be filled out but then states that suppressors are exempt from this requirement?
I got confused for a moment, too. He says NFA items require a form 5320.20, and gives the details, but then mentions that suppressors and AOW's are exempt from that paperwork requirement.
Basically silencers are the actual name the person who made gave the thing; as the aim of it was to “silence” the gunshot. But because they don’t actually “silence” the shot they just “suppress” it, people called it suppressors.
While I’d like to agree with you on the velocity change with/without suppressor; my personal experience is the rounds fell short on a 308 platform 168 gr. While the rifle was zeroed without the suppressor.
They are more tightly controlled than the firearm they work on, but many other countries make owning a firearm extremely difficult and expensive beyond the income of a common person. In that regard, I really feel sorry for subjects of those countries
There is a type of suppressor that uses a rubber wiper that will only last a few shots. This was used by the welrod pistol. The suppressor will only last a few shots. And twenty shots will wear it quite a lot.
Dependent upon the construction and it's resistance to very hot and potentially corrosive gases, the amount of use, will determine how long they will last. I believe once the internals are corroded to the point of where internal turbulence and flow patterns are changed in such a ways as to be disadvantageous to the projectile's trajectory. One will only know this from anchored down, (bench) and loss of accuracy. The ones he talks about here, if Ti, will have a very good corrosion resistance. I think the key point which he doesn't say is the reduction in db, Vs unmoderated, Vs the actual person's tolerance to the SPL. For example a 10db reduction in sound from a small calibre 0.22 can make a big difference but anything under 10db, I'd say if the person has good hearing would be a waste of time using it. I'm talking too about proper sound measurements with the transducer facing the muzzle and say 20cm from the closest ear.
No it's a one time tax you pay to be licensed to be able to purchase a suppressor, but check your state laws or go to your City Hall and ask them directly. Dont rely on a friend of a friend to say it's what they heard.
I thought that there are 3 sounds from a gun. The slide, which a suppressor doesn't affect the sound, the bullet breaking the sound barrier which the suppressor wouldn't affect since this happens after the bullet leaves the gun & the explosion the launches the bullet from the casing which the suppressor does suppress. Wouldn't using sub sonic bullets help reduce the last two talking points???
Yep and you can buy subsonic ammo all day. Also special weapons that are semi auto have a breach lock so no slide slap. Good for 1 rnd at a time but as quiet as your gonna get.
The whole point is to disburse and shear the gases specifically to reduce noise, this in itself if working at optimum performance for this specific task does not add anything to velocity.
Full auto 8 x 30 round mags will start to make the can red hot and buffers start warping. That is pretty impressIve. No one does that. Only 30db quieter usually than standard rounds. Nice toys that should not be regulated anywhere.
i love it when I get earraped in the beginning of the video lmao
Vice Richter
Right? Need to put a suppressor on his mic.
yea, when he started talking. I got a rude awakening. Lmao
My shoulders went above the top of my skull
You would think they'd know about sound levels
Damn i wish I read your comment before my ear got penetrated. FUCK! that was loud lmao
If you're looking around for a BB pistol I would recommend this one czcams.com/users/postUgkxnX9wE_Q8zvF75Y5iWzTU3Q4FlrtyGApQ . I ordered two BB pistols from Dan Wesson and this one is so much nicer than the other one. It's a well built gun. Can't say that about the other one. I thought the Mag was pretty easy to load. I also just lock the spring back and fill up the hole with 16 BB's with no sweat. Easily remove the rear part of the handle from the bottom with the Mag removed to access the CO2 chamber. Sweet. Very nice painted sights on both ends. Doesn't have blowback but the gun is rated at 410 fps the blowback edition is 365 fps.Didn't really know much about BB guns before but now I see that Umarex makes some fine BB guns. You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer CO2 air pistol than this one I think. Just seems flawless. It even states on the packaging Glock perfection. I think my next Airgun may very well be an Umerex. Oh and if you really want a blowback (don't think amazon sells the Glock w/blowback) you might consider the Beretta APX by Umarex. But that gun is only rated at 310 fps. All things being equal, if it were me I'd buy the Glock again in a heartbeat :)
The 20 shots myth are from metal gear solid players
Michael Lewis lmao
Bruh... LMAO-ROFL 🤣😂🤣😂👊😎
Snaaaaaaaake!!!
When I first played the game I was boggled by the supressor use limit! Perhaps because of the old technology in the 70s? Still not justifiable.
@@GrosserAndrew5000
Thiers a real life disposable suppressor brand it does 30 rounds or something like that before it gets really load.
Might be a cheap can that is prewet when bought.
I was a great privilege to meet John in person yesterday in the class that he gave. Great info. The recoil reduction is totally true. I was amazed with the demo gun they left us use.
Are you saying a suppressor reduces the recoil?
@@THESHOMROM It does by a substantial amount
he can concealed carry a silencer behind his beard ...
Ho Chi Minh debunks capitalist suppressors at Sig Sauer compound. Best cross-over ever.
I'm Vietnamese and I think this is funny as hell
Choi oiiiii
0B ZEN lololol hope he has a good sense of humor
Bing bong bing bong no vc!!!
Funny as heck! The resemblance to Uncle Ho is spot-on...
What is not discussed is the inconvenient truth of suppressor's are like potato chips, you can't just have one
Pringles, man, Pringles!
@@jimkoonce6574 Pringles are not potato chips.
I don't know about the analogy of potato🥔 chip vs suppressor but it's addictive🍟🍟🍟🍟. I got each suppressor for each gun... it's expensive😒
Truth!
by the time i payed for the stamp and my can i have just over $1000 in mine. retired cant afford any more so i just have one
John Hollister is a great dude. Can’t wait to get my SRD762 and SRD22x out of nfa jail. I’m about 5 months on an individual so any day now I should be getting a call. Can’t wait!
YoungGunner89 so was it any day still a while after your post? I paid for my srd in July. Still waiting...
If suppressors add or decrease accuracy is a much more complex question than ‘yes or no’ can answer.
A point of impact shift is almost guaranteed. Barrel harmonics & bullet design are major factors to if you’re adding or subtracting from your weapon’s accuracy.
TheLastMag, agreed. I have gun/can combos that are less accurate; others neutral to slightly more accurate.
Well that would be true, if they are subsonic. Not so much affect on supersonic. Lighter bullet, such as, the .22 lr will have a deviation track of about 1 inch at 25 yards. Now on a .45ACP it would hardly matter at any of the effective ranges because it wont travel to rifle ranges. I agree to a point, but try not to generalize all suppressors into one group.
Absolutely correct but this was a sales pitch of course.
Thank you, Mr. Hollister.
VERY INFORMATIVE & you debunked several things I believed to be true about suppressors.
THANK YOU
Hollister? Holster? Get it?
I met this man the other day at the NRA review channel shoot. Very professional. Yet down-to-earth.
Good info!! Enjoyed watching!! Didnt ever hear about these discrepancies but always good to know if u own and have a concealed carry.... Thank u for the info.... Made me do more research. Peace and blessings
His arguments with his wife are very calm and concise. And won
myth- you never win!
John Hollister : “as long as you don’t live in CT or Vermont”
Me: “shit!”
On a side note, I know a man who came into a pile of money once and decided to increase his gun collection. So he went down to his local gun store where he'd done business for several years and talked it over with the guy who owned the store and they struck a deal on the guns he wanted to buy. I might add it was a rather large purchase, however in this state you can buy large amounts of guns with the correct paperwork and taxes paid. Just like what this fellow is saying about the suppressors.
So the guns come in a few at a time, different companies, different deliveries, plus ammo and a few other gun related products. The guy bought like $30K dollars worth of guns at one time and then was looking to spend about the same amount again when the nice people at the ATF showed up and wanted to speak with him. He hadn't broken any laws and all his paperwork was correct, they just wanted to be sure, A he had a safe place to store them and B he wasn't reselling them or sending them to others who couldn't buy guns.
Anyway, he checked out and all was good, but he said when he answered the door and the guys identified themselves as ATF agents his first words were, "Ok, let me call my attorney first." They told him that was fine if he'd feel better with his attorney." They told him the only thing they was a red flag was the shear number of guns he'd bought at once by a single person. Once he showed them where he had the stored and that he still had them all. Everything was good and they signed off on his second request for more guns.
Hmm.. I know a very similar story in my area of a person whom had also bought a large amount of firearms from a retail store that I work for and nearly exact same situation. Wonder if we have the same person.
Oh no, we need the ATF, what we don't need is no one checking because we live in a world filled with people who have no business having guns. As they are terrorist, they are crazy or they are simply a ticking time bomb. I'm good with deep background checks and anyone with a nice clean record should be ok with it too. It's been my experience the only ones who don't like it are the ones who have silly things like felonies and other stuff that might prevent the gun sale.
@TheAceOfSpades Hmmm? Where was yours. this happened in outside Marietta, GA.
I have to admit if I came into a large sum of money I might be doing the same thing. I do enjoy my guns. The guy in question did something most of us can only dream of, he built himself a new home and instead of worrying with gun safes like us regular guys have, he built a massive gun vault. like 20' x 40' inside. 4'_0" thick walls heavily rebarred 5'-0 floor and ceiling thing was built like a Federal Reserve vault and poured with 12, 000 PSI concrete.
Wasn't anyone gonna just unbolt the thing from the floor and wheel it off to open at their leisure. I remember when I saw it I was pretty sure anything short of a tank was gonna have a tough time getting in it. Not that it was impossible, but it was gonna take a lot of time and effort.
@@kenparnell4297 oh ok nevermind...AZ
@@kenparnell4297 If it please the crown is what you're saying.
Excellent information! Thank you.
As someone who listens to youtube mostly like a radio while I'm working... I wish that you guys had decided to state each myth aloud instead of just showing it on the screen silently. For future reference...
Brother John is the ultimate source for all things quiet. Learning at the feet of the master. SFFS
Hey John, good stuff!
I miss y’all guys over there in Exeter
Great real info with actual research & citations.
Great video, I would point out though that the .22 calibre can be made silent with a moderator/silencer. Also some moderators/silencers are not symmetrical in their internal designs when dispersing the gasses, so logically can change the point of impact with and without the moderator attached.
U are totally correct with what you say about the symmetry affecting the trajectory. In fact despite different ballistics, the addition of a silencer/moderator onto a PCP type rifle can also affect the trajectory, various factors dependent.
Unfortunately I live in Rhode Island as one of the states where you " can not" own a suppressor. Absolutely ridiculous
You think thats stupid? CT you can own suppressors but its illegal to own pistols with threaded barrels
Fuck Massachusetts too
i don't think i would try to on a suppressor either
APB 28 perhaps the people in Rhode Island should go to the capital and inform your EMPLOYEES that THEY work for YOU.
@@jonlee5642 yeah, good ol' CT - hubby and I escaped from there going on 4 years now... We live happy, retired and FREE here in Central Tennessee! We are very blessed to be here.
Check out the website for Fairfield Glade, TN on the Cumberland Plateau......it's closest place to Paradise that we've found! there are so many gun owners and veterans just in our neighborhood, we feel pretty safe! fairfieldglade.net
I’ll be over to the sig shop off rt. 27 tomorrow and order mine for my new MPX
Thank you for the valuable information that was obvious at times. Too bad CA doesn't allow a suppressor 😔
Most of these comes from video games and movies. Especially, the Pew pew sound and the lower bullet velocity.
"There is nothing that you as a consumer can purchase in America and pay the taxes on, that you give up the 4th amendment right to protection from illegal search and seizure" Tell that to bump stock owners!
It's sad because when this video was made, I believe bump-stocks were still legal. I think the concept of taking bump-stocks is dumb because you can hip-fire a rifle all to hell and still get the same effect if you fire it correctly. Kinda reminds me of the whole bayonet lug thing, if someone really wanted a bayonet they could just tape a goddamn kitchen knife to the end of their rifle and that would be that
Well, actually, this is a good video
It would’ve been a nicer video if they would’ve read off the myths. It’s nice to do things and have this play in the background.
I agree started reading comments and missed some of the text.
Video contains all sorts of useful information and youre complaining because you have a short attention span
Come on now
0:35 only exceptions are the Gemtech Aurora II and Pill Bottle and like models that use rubber wipes, and those do need to be serviced or changed.
I've been wondering how a sig suppressor is maintained. I would imagine after a while it gets very dirty, but it's welded one piece construction. Could you guys do a maintenance video like you do for oiling your guns?
TK-2M4
Centerfire Rifle cans, like 5.56 sort of self clean, they get a gray ash build up about the thickness of construction paper and that's it from then on.
Tests show even after 100s of rimfire rounds and it gets all dirty, shooting a few mags of 5.56 will break up and clean it back out.
Now pistol cans are not the same, 9mm will need cleaning as it just doesn't have the pressures as like the 5.56
Hope this helps.
Please do not listen to @@TrashPanda71 .
Florida Man
Show me I'm wrong.. and or how am I wrong ?
@@TrashPanda71
Telling people to use 556 for cleaning a 22 suppressor is down right dangerous.
If you don't understand why...then you shouldn't speak on it.
Florida Man
No no.. after shooting .22lr ammo in a centerfire can, you can shoot it clean again with a number of high psi rounds..
I never said shoot 5.56 in a rimfire can.
Great info about the suppressor
Interesting and informative. I did not know that the bullet isn't slowed down, or that it can improve accuracy.
It can not though speed it up. it could only be slowed down if the projectile is being affected by any internal turbulence prior to exiting. This internal turbulence can arise from a poorly designed suppressor or one which is not matched to the ballistics of the weapon of choice and I would go as far as suggesting the load as well of course.
Thank you for this info.
Here in the UK suppressors are free 'will issue' add ons to our firearms certificate. 'Hearing safe levels' are a little misleading, the supersonic crack which no suppressor can eliminate is still around 130db although its duration is much shorter. Yes the boom has gone but whilst it is not uncomfortable to shoot occasional rounds without hearing protection it is not long term/frequent exposure harmless.
What is the process for firearm ownership? I work with Germans and they said the vast majority of Germans don't bother with it just on cost alone.
@@slowstang88 checkout Joerge Spreve's Slingshot channel. He's done videos about guns in Germany & self defense laws there as well.
I couldn't afford a sig but a friend got the .308 ar looking version and it was so nice looking . Quality. The kick was .308 unlike an ar and it worked well for planting a bunch of pine clones . Damn it made some big holes . I want to put one of these on my ruger
Very informative.thanks
Just got my can ordered and two says ago and this was the first tone i thought of the fact that it will eventually wear down and need replaced (maybe)
I heard if u have a suppressor it automatically makes you an elite operator, with superior tactical skills.
Only if you have a bald head and a beard.
No doubt they make people better call of duty gamer
Sig Sauer I just bought a P320. I have a couple suppressors and hope to get a few Sig suppressors and a pair of Sig SBRs
Great information thanks
Is this filmed at Smoky Mountain Knife Works?
How the myth that the high cost of suppressors is justified? How could an object with non-moving parts cost more than the complicated firearm it's attached to???
Low sales volume.
Machining cost. and they are over priced
If they weren’t NFA items they would be super cheap because everyone would be buying them and there would be lots of competition. They’d probably be included with the gun in some cases.
It’ called capitalism.
@@thorcharger8609 Why are guns so cheap then? My suppressor is the most expensive thing on my gun. Its also the most regulated. Do you think regulations make things cheaper to produce? Capitalism is the only economic system that doesn't involve force. socialism, communism, fascism, crony capitalism, etc, they all involve violence to maintain.
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"Quite the opposite."
Actually
I have a suppressor on a bolt action 0.22RF and, when loaded with subsonic ammunition, there is no noise from the escape of gas. The noise of the firing pin hitting the cartridge is all one can hear, and is similar to it hitting a spent case. The noise of the bullet hitting the target is the loudest noise you hear. Supersonic ammo produces a loud snap, which is peculiarly non-directional.
That's because you are sensing the shock wave front of the bullet as it breaks the sound barrier.
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Funny that some of the myths were from games that typically decrease the velocity and damage of a suppressor
The whole accuracy thing I think is more leaned towards POI shift, which is what ppl attribute to being "less accurate"
Well technically speaking that would be "less accurate" than where you had it zeroed. I think you and him are arguing that there is no decrease in precision. You'll have to account for the change to bring accuracy back on point.
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Ok dip shit knock it off.
Is the company "Sionics" still in operation?
I remember, MANY years ago, I read an article in one of the gun magazines I was subscribed to, about field testing a Steyr SSG. 308 rifle equipped with a Sionics suppressor.
This was well before there was an internet, so.. the article, "said", that basically, the only real discernable sounds that could be heard, was the trigger mechanism releasing the firing pin, the firing pin striking the primer, and then the rifle slug striking the steel target down-range.
At that time, I believe Sionics was contracted to manufacture supressors for military applications.
You would still hear the sound of the bullet if it is supersonic.
@@mariosebastiani3214 if I recall the magazine article correctly... they did say that they were using hand-loaded SUB-sonic ammunition during that specific field test.
SIONICS studys in operational negation or insurgencies and counter subversion. Mitchell Werbell same man that hooked up with ingram to form MAC military armament co. Witch made the MAC 10 11 12 13. The MAC weapons with SIONIC suppressors were formidable weapons.
bonus fact y'all any and all laws that restrict your right to own a gun or ammo or parts (including suppressors) is not valid according to the bill of rights and contitution
Possibly unconstitutional....but good luck winning that battle in court. You'll go bankrupt before you ever make it out of state with the court systems.
@phxxr650r no need, just arrest and hang'em all for treason, problem solved
Any fines , taxes or fees IS an infringement on the 2nd amendment.
I wonder how many of these apply to older suppressors that used wipes, or which had sealed-wipes for the initial shot?
Many old ones were simply constructed upon the orifice plate principle and they actually work very well. It's now so much marketing and hype. The real test that people should be talking about is what it is supposed to do and that is reduce the SPL to some level which is bearable by the shooter, otherwise it's rather pointless and possibly expensive too. Once above 90db unsuppressed, this is loud near ones ear if unprotected. 85db reduced by a say 10db would be a good reduction for say a small calibre such as a 0.22.
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Here in kaliForniA, the only way to legally own and possess a suppressor is if you are an FFL/SOT. And you must keep all LICENSES current and up to date valid.
in regards to the velocity myth, he is indeed correct but there are some types of suppressors that are designed differently and actually do slow down bullets.
Weapons should not be this expensive . They should be more affordable and they need to provide you with mandatory training
No, I dont agree one single bit with you. Most are very affordable. The cost associated with most weapons on the market is almost on par across the board. This helps weed out inferior or unsafe models and keeps them off the market. Owning, carrying, and utilizing a firearm requires a measure of safety that needs to be managed correctly. These are not toys. Without safety you are not just putting yourself at risk but others around you. As far as training goes. If you aren't willing to pay to learn how to use your weapon correctly and safety, well, you probably should own one then. That is just as simple as the nose on your face. If you disagree then I dont want to be in any close proximity to you or have my family around you. You would be more dangerous then the firearm itself.
Simply stop being poor. Have you tried that?
Never could understand the paranoia about suppressors in the USA. They have been freely available without regulation here in New Zealand for over 60 years to my certain knowledge. One can buy a suppressor without having a firearms license here for that matter. Most hunters use them now so that ear protection is not necessary.
I always find that funny that countries with stricter gun laws than the US have more liberal supressor laws. I mean i get that once you pass all the scrutiny to get a gun that most people are gonna say that you are probably good to go for a supressor. And most of them just look at it as etiquette because a gun is loud and its good manners to turn it down a little so as not to disturb your neighbors.
I guess here in america we havent figured out that the average person can shoot a gun much faster than the average person can react to being shot at so being able to hear the shots give you no advantage in being able 'dodge' those bullets.
Silly Americans.
I see that the lobbyists for suppressor freedom in the USA have stressed the health angle...which is a good approach.
Wearing ear muffs in the hunting field is a bad idea, but the muzzle blast of that old '06 is not funny at all.
An over-barrel suppressor turns the 'bang' into 'pop' and the noisiest bit is the crack of the departing projectile.
Oh by the way, moderators are totally forbidden in Australia apparently, but then a lot of nice things that go bang are forbidden there too... So far in NZ we can own ARs etc...... in fact three of my own rifles are illegal to possess in Californistan.... :-)
take a shot every time he says "actually"
*attaches suppressor to shot glass*
One piece of info I wouldn’t buy a quick detach type suppressor because they can be shot off if not placed on the barrel just right. Threaded On Suppressors’s are better in my opinion because they are either on correctly or not. There’s no in between. I’ve seen quick detach suppressors shot down range by accident. Plus I seen no reason to put your suppressor on real fast so not sure why you need quick disconnect type anyway.
SPEC OPS would have to disagree with you on this one respectfully.
I would disagree with that statement most spec ops know if a suppressor will be needed on a mission and would already have it mounted ready to go. Threading one on only takes a few more seconds anyway.
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Thank you ,thank you ,thank you ,I get tired of explaining it's not a silencer but a suppressor, it's called by its meaning of what it does ,so many people claiming to know weapons make videos saying it's a silencer, I say if you call it a silencer on a range it shows how much of an amateur they are . Sigs are quality side arms ,I manage to let a few off on a range and just felt sure footed in hand like it was molded for it
This might sound stupid but I'm doing lots of research about suppressors but I cant find if they expire or not?? please help!
i'm not understanding the state to state travel @ 4:00. he states a form 5320.20 needs to be filled out but then states that suppressors are exempt from this requirement?
I got confused for a moment, too. He says NFA items require a form 5320.20, and gives the details, but then mentions that suppressors and AOW's are exempt from that paperwork requirement.
Basically silencers are the actual name the person who made gave the thing; as the aim of it was to “silence” the gunshot. But because they don’t actually “silence” the shot they just “suppress” it, people called it suppressors.
While I’d like to agree with you on the velocity change with/without suppressor; my personal experience is the rounds fell short on a 308 platform 168 gr. While the rifle was zeroed without the suppressor.
That has to do with the point of impact shift due to there being more weight on the barrel. Suppressors cause more back pressure, hence more velocity.
It was $200 back in 1934?! That's about $3,500 in today's dollar
What does Sig have for their Sig Rattler 556?
In France you don't pay taxe stamp to buy a suppressor. I have them on all my riffles, 22, 222 and 243. They all shoot 1/4 Moa.
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1:50 the only thing it could do is make your line of sight change from taking it off to regular sights without.. but not a big deal or hard fix!
Can change your point of impact as well.
It's funny that in America you can easily own firearms but suppressor is so restricted. No logic, accept control😔I feel for you guys.
They are more tightly controlled than the firearm they work on, but many other countries make owning a firearm extremely difficult and expensive beyond the income of a common person. In that regard, I really feel sorry for subjects of those countries
There is a type of suppressor that uses a rubber wiper that will only last a few shots. This was used by the welrod pistol. The suppressor will only last a few shots. And twenty shots will wear it quite a lot.
Dependent upon the construction and it's resistance to very hot and potentially corrosive gases, the amount of use, will determine how long they will last. I believe once the internals are corroded to the point of where internal turbulence and flow patterns are changed in such a ways as to be disadvantageous to the projectile's trajectory. One will only know this from anchored down, (bench) and loss of accuracy. The ones he talks about here, if Ti, will have a very good corrosion resistance. I think the key point which he doesn't say is the reduction in db, Vs unmoderated, Vs the actual person's tolerance to the SPL. For example a 10db reduction in sound from a small calibre 0.22 can make a big difference but anything under 10db, I'd say if the person has good hearing would be a waste of time using it. I'm talking too about proper sound measurements with the transducer facing the muzzle and say 20cm from the closest ear.
Is there a yearly fee for owning a suppressor?
No it's a one time tax you pay to be licensed to be able to purchase a suppressor, but check your state laws or go to your City Hall and ask them directly. Dont rely on a friend of a friend to say it's what they heard.
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Idk why but those sig taper mount suppressors are dead sexy...
Very nice, love SIG :)
Well said.
how can i know the right silancer for my gun p320 - m17 ?
Can buy suppressor, or use suppressor in California?
How do you get a form 4 and form 5.
Go to a firearm dealer
I thought that there are 3 sounds from a gun. The slide, which a suppressor doesn't affect the sound, the bullet breaking the sound barrier which the suppressor wouldn't affect since this happens after the bullet leaves the gun & the explosion the launches the bullet from the casing which the suppressor does suppress. Wouldn't using sub sonic bullets help reduce the last two talking points???
Yep and you can buy subsonic ammo all day. Also special weapons that are semi auto have a breach lock so no slide slap. Good for 1 rnd at a time but as quiet as your gonna get.
Where can I get one for my p230 in 9kurz
but do they decrease ADS speed tho
How can it increase velocity if it works correctly.?
The whole point is to disburse and shear the gases specifically to reduce noise, this in itself if working at optimum performance for this specific task does not add anything to velocity.
My biggest suppressor question is whether or not my SRD762 QD is ever going to ship to my dealer 😥😥
Has it arrived?
Owen Hutchins give it 6 months. Until then forget about it.
I want a suppressor now
I came to find wisdom from the old cofucius lol
Those video games lied to us :(
The Pricetag looks more that they are made of Gold then Steel.....
I didn't expect to learn anything in this video since I've owned and used my own suppressor for several years. But I learned a lot. Thank you.
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Why didn’t he expand on the first one?
Truth a Suppressed gun is completely silent.
As long as it is locked in a case.
Shooting with a suppressor will change your life as it pertains to shooting. Once you have one you will never want to shoot without one.
Does the ATF ever do home inspections to verify you still have suppressor ?
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Full auto 8 x 30 round mags will start to make the can red hot and buffers start warping. That is pretty impressIve. No one does that. Only 30db quieter usually than standard rounds. Nice toys that should not be regulated anywhere.
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Video games creators should watch this video and understand how using a suppressor should'nt decrease ammunition velocity.