@@SSGShambles it does, because he’s trying say it’s literally magma so he can scale it to Akainus, which is stated to have the highest AP in the verse. If you’ll lie to get a small point like that, you’ll lie to make any point you need 🤷🏾♂️
@@Kurotama11 he never asserted that its directly akainus magma entirely. Its just that magma is strong and exemplified it through akainu. Also, magma is stated to be a form of dura neg countless times (databook deep blue)
@@SSGShambles you just proved my point. If it’s not *literally* magma, all of the points of scaling it *to* magma become invalid. “Magma is stated as duraneg” cool, that’s why it matters that it isn’t *literally magma* Taking it from a figurative comparison to a literal one allows you to highball Kings fire as having things like duraneg…..which for damn sure is never stated
OMG, I thought I was the only one. Most people thought this was the fight that settled the issue of whether Zoro was (or could be) stronger than Luffy eventually and I thought that Oda seemed to deliberately make everything about this fight vague and directly difficult to Zoro. Zoro wasn't just fighting Haki or a Devil Fruit, but a legendary bloodline AND his own damn weapon. And I think people mistake how formidable these features on King were simply because he was Kaido's subordinate. But I kept saying Zoro is likely waaaay stronger than we think. He's almost like Kenpatchi- he always has something holding him back. But, also, I understood that phantasm of Death to be a display of Zoro having mentally held himself back from Kings Haki all this time. I mean...he was always written as a character that could be a captain and rival Luffy. But he chose to deliberately subordinate himself to Luffy under certain conditions- and there was two times Zoro seemed to get pissed when he felt Luffy wasn't living up to those conditions.
I feel like something we all need to realise that ashura zoro vs kaido was him at his peak in the raid those feats against kaido don't represent what KOH zoro can do
Bro cooked but he missed a flavour which is saying king was stronger than any supernova on roof. Zoro always had conquerors, Kaido says he uses it a lot of time just subconsciously. Luffy and zoro were only ones who have good haki. Law and Kidd's Haki is mid tier at best. They both depend on their fruit a lot hence did not upgrade their haki as much as luffy. Infact they did not go against such opponents like Luffy to get upto that level as Rayleigh said Haki increases exponentially in real battles. King was not strong, Law and Kidd were weak. Thats it they were strong but they did not have good enough haki to go against Kaido or Big mom, remember it took 2 supernovas+awakenings+haki to defeat big mom who is strong but still somewhat weaker than Kaido, and the fruits werent bad, Its just that Luffy was stronger and worked harder
Your right it was more clear that sanji was fight against his past and biology and needed to except it . But zoro needed to move beyond it both were willing to throw away what they stood for. Sanji with become cold and zoro with swords men ship . It would be great to see a video deep dive on the parallels. Your the only person iv seen bring up this part of the fight
Lost me after 3 minutes my boy. 1. Zoro has never scaled above of those three captains. Yes, Zoro has a very high attack potency (he’s a swordsman and we’ve seen in OP that this means a lot) but this doesn’t mean he’s stronger than them. Just means in a given scenario he can do more damage. 2. Just because Zoro is a better matchup for King than Law or Kid doesn’t mean he’s stronger. Defeats the whole point of a matchup. Luffy would’ve been able to beat King with his Ryou most likely. Probably would’ve done so much easier than Zoro. And Luffy with Acoc and Ryou is definitely beating King easily and wouldn’t even struggle like Zoro did. 3. Law and Kid beat Big Mom, a way stronger opponent that King. King isn’t lasting long against Kaido or Big Mom unless they wanted to stretch the fight out. Having a good attack potency doesn’t automatically make someone stronger than the other. Eg. Luffy uses his fists, Zoro uses a blade. If Zoro’s Haki was anywhere near as good as Luffy’s (he sucks at observation, doesn’t have Ryou, and barely knows how to use coc/acoc haki that still doesn’t guarantee he’s beating Luffy. Case in point, Luffy vs Kaido. Kaidos Haki and devil fruit usage was better than that of Luffy’s (and he also used a weapon which made it easier for him to use coating) yet in combination with his awakening and his haki, Luffy was able to pull off beating Kaido. Not everything is about “stats” and “feats” 4. Zoro would probably lose to Kid with not that great of a difficulty. Not because Zoro is weak but due to the fact that Kid's abilities make him a bad matchup for Zoro . We saw he was able to even magnetize someone like Big Mom whose haki far surpasses Zoros own in every way. Even she couldn’t break free from it or nullify the effects with her haki so Zoro has no chance. Same with Law. Neither Kaido nor Big Mom could nullify his DF effects with haki even though they have some of the most insane haki we’ve ever seen. On top of that this man has complete control over his room and can make it really big. Zoro isn’t getting out of that or blitzing Law in his own room. 5. If Zoro was so much stronger than Law and Kid, why didn’t he fight BM or Kaido? Why’d he fight Kaidos #2 who was quite weaker than Kaido (King is insanely strong but Kaido is just in a far different league than in terms of strength and power) and struggled most of the fight. 6. These Zoro feats yall keep bringing up doesn’t prove he’s stronger than them. Yes he blocked the combined attack of Kaido and Big Mom( it was a named attack but let’s face it, it wasn’t even close to being their strongest move or strongest in the verse. And if not for Law he would’ve been dead only after holding it for a few seconds ). It was impressive he blocked it yes but just after a few seconds, he broke all his bones. Any longer and he'd have probably died. Law made Kaido howl in pain, Luffy laid Kaido on his back and made him cough blood with just his fist and no weapon. Yes Kaido, dodged the attack but we saw Zoro cut Kaido and Kaido didn’t even flinch and wasn’t in pain in anyway. Zoro has three swords yet was only able to cut Kaido with one sword. Odens sword at that. Oden was the one that got his sword to the level where it was at. Oden was able to cut Kaido with both swords despite only one of those swords being Enma. Zoro cut Kaido in the most vulnerable place on his body. An old left by Oden and still couldn’t inflict as much lasting damage as Oden. KOH Zoro isn’t doing much to Kaido however you look at it. Zoro is strong. No denying that. But let's not scale Zoro higher than he should be
Pure cope Oda portrayad Zoro's feats as greater in the Rooftop. He blized BM several times which Law and Kid couldnt once made Kaido doge which Law and Kid couldnt once saved luffy's life several times exchange and blized Hybrid Kaido leaved a permanent scar stopped a combination attack of Kaido and BM long enough for the onthers (Kid Law) to be safe after that Law even question how Zoro was still able to keep moving and fighting. and thats all pre King of hell. Zoro is individuelly clear of both no matter how u look at it and from now on the gap will only get more far.
He did portray zoro very well, but in the context of narrative it makes no sense. If zoro was stronger than both why be relegated to fight a first division commander. When we saw that the very same yonko took out two commanders very easily ( one in a weakened state) being Queen and Marco. Note that Marco for an extended period of time was fighting both king and Queen, while they won eventually they still struggled a bit. Making kaido dodge was impressive but we saw Luffy do the same and taunted kaido for it. The dead man’s game attack of zoro gave a permanent scar but he himself said that was his strongest attack he could do and he wanted to knock kaido off his feet (viz chp 1010 pg 10-11). While you may say he was injured and the attack is weakened is valid point we have never seen it matter at any other point in the series. So that would be strongest possible attack before King of hell Meaning it was stronger than the attack that kaido dodged or if that dodge was stronger then that meant enma pulled more haki than zoro thought he had to use or was doing something to add to zoro’s power ( which does work with how both yonko mention the sword’s haki being strange) but personally I think weakens the portrayal of zoro saying he needed help to make kaido dodge than him being in 100% control of that attack. Next big mom was speed blitz at no point on the rooftop. Why because all the supernovas were focused on kaido, big mom www support. To get big mom off the the rooftop they made the plan that Luffy distracts kaido, zoro cuts up Prometheus, killer stops napoleon with kid and law taking both big mom and Zeus. It’s obvious why zoro fought Prometheus he had the technique cut fire. But the overall the heavy lifting was done by the 3 captains Next is that a 100% powered up zoro almost lost to king. He almost had his haki set to zero and all the damage from before was set to zero by the miracle drug of the minks he did suffer after effects until his fight was over If I were to rank the supernovas on the rooftop and be completely generous to zoro I would place him at second at most behind Luffy. Who kaido had been focusing on the most out of anyone on that roof. But objectively I place him 3rd behind law and Luffy. Beating kid who didn’t really show that much until his fight with big mom and wayyyy more than killer. (To be fair killer is the only one who did not deserve to be up there)
@@Kronzo_Z permanent scar doesn't mean nothing you stupid mf kaido was still okay and whooped his ass he didn't tank the attack he was injured. When he took thunder bagua he got his bones broken even law took thunder bagua and still was okay.
My problem with king vs zoro was the fact that it showed us king was NOT an experienced fighter. It showed me that he was naive and the only reason he’s considered strong is because of his genetics because no one could damage him and nobody was fast enough. Kings tenure on kaidos was probably a breeze he was never challenged he was just a glass house not as far as durability but his reputation was. We didnt even get to see his hybrid form. He wasn’t even an actual swordsman(even tho it was funny he wasn’t he should’ve been). He did not show any real skill fighting without a sword. We didn’t see not one Haki feat from his and supposedly hes a conquerer (correct if wrong). As soon as his mask got cut off he lost his temper. King was a massive letdown
The part that annoyed me the most is that king gave up his own advantage (that is mobility and flight) then all of a sudden platforms just came out of now so zoro could reach king in the end
The only thing you’re getting wrong is that on the rooftop, Zoro was already subconsciously using conquerors haki which is both shown and stated which would be the reason for his insane feats on the rooftop, meaning while king of hell Zoro greatly outscales no conquerors haki Zoro it’s unclear how much stronger he is than rooftop Zoro, at the very least the difference would be smaller than no conquerors Zoro compared to king of hell Zoro, though I’d argue ashura rooftop Zoro would be at least close to king of hell Zoro, a better argument for upscaling king would be that he wasn’t trying his best against Zoro since he stopped using his devil fruit halfway through the fight
Kid is debatable (althogh i think he high diffs King) but law is not debatable, Law with his Shambles outpaced the reaction speed of a (nerfed) soul buffed big mom so King can not just speedblitz him, Law would be the one outpacing him with shambles and he can hrut King with K-Room, and it should only take 1 or 2 considering it dealt insane damage to (nerfed) big mom
@@BlackLotus30doesn’t mean they can’t beat king and just they can’t beat her on their own doesn’t mean much of shit the zoro that beat king is not doing anything to big mom
Good video but I don’t like clickbait titles amigo, thought you were going to show me some hidden meaning lost in translation not some argument bout why powerscalers are over reactive and bad at media analysis lol
Who the fuck would call King weak? What, does losing a fight make you trash or something? It's like when people shit on Kidd. If Kidd wasn't a threat, Shanks wouldn't have blown his ass up.
Also zoro was using conquerors haki on the performance floor so he was already tapped in just didnt and still doesn’t understand it. Also the px’s are strong yes but over powering them and knowing how they work wont be hard especially since zoro defeated a real lunarian with the power upgrades there using already.
How would sanji extreme diff king when he has speed superior to that of king has top tier dura wit his germa genes he tanked a lunarian jinbei punch to the face took no damage and beat him by himself and it was said by luffy that the jinbei was just as tuff as kaido and u rlly think ifrit jambe and the ability to go invisible from sheer speed won’t high-mid diff king?
@@darkskin3134 1:blitzing zoro and needing to get precogged is an infinitely better speed feat than blitzing queen then proceeding to get tagged and needing to amp yourself further. 2:We saw the aftermath and the jinbei seraphim was chilling with zero damage, just like all the other seraphim.
@@NO-zb3fz how is that an infinitely better feat than blitzing queen? He was soo fast he was invisible and queen was sweating that he was losing stam which wasn’t even the case and he didn’t get tagged in the manga the anime just changed things to drag it in the manga he one shot her and sent her to a whole other damn section of the island which is far better than precogging king like there’s not one speed feat zoro can do that sanji can’t do 50x better and don’t say it like the seraphim and sanji just had coffee tgt clearly one couldnt do shit to the other hence why he got captured in the bubble
It’s not a miss read, zoro saying he thought king having his flames on would just neg zoro’s attack yet king dodged, but for now your right it’s just an assumption but there were never anymore statements that said king was invincible cause zoro just proved him wrong. It’s in egghead island where zoro says that if the seraphim have there flames on absolutely no one can do damage again So the title of the video should we were wrong about zoro vs king not we misread it cause there was nothing to miss read just all assumptions like one piece fans have been doing for years with this ambiguous ass series
"Law and kid cant hurt king" Laws attacks are durability negation and not just his awakenings but his gamma knife and injection shot. This guy is always high on something
That was shown no where, he never drew blood from king when he had his flames on, gimmie a chapter and page number. The following panel literally said “his flames are on in point in attacking” 😭
When Zoro cut Kings wings he had his flames on, Luffy and Zoro knows how to damage the seraphim but they would have tu use advanced conquerors meaning killing intentions, Zoro said he didn’t even knew if King could survive after that attack so he definitely knows how to cut seraphim’s and Luffy can also but why would they try to kill the seraphins?? I agree with you, king is strong af, even more than any supernova including Luffy before roofpiece, but king of hell mode is three advanced conquerors attacks, Zoro was much more stronger than King, king had to push his owns limits while Zoro was discovering the power-up’s limits
@@sonofthechosenone4335 Sanji didn't beat S-Shark. The Bubble Gun finished the work. No one can beat a lunarian in flames-on without ACOC. The only reason why Zoro was able to push King into Flames-off is because Flames-on is basically useless against ACOC. ACOC is the conqueror's version of ACOA's internal Destruction. Emitting Haoshoku is having it flow into a targets body and destroy it from the inside out(Basically Dura-Neg). Unlike Lunarian genes, Exoskeleton can have a huge toll on Sanji's body dropping him unconscious after using Ifrit Jambe
@@legion0764 Yeah Sanji wrecked S-Shark so badly bro didn’t even look like he wanted to fight anymore when he was finally captured. He was factually the most damaged Seraphim when they were all caught in the bubbles. S-Shark couldn’t even hurt Sanji. Meanwhile Post-KOH Zoro admits he can’t hurt flames on lunarians. King lost because he was a dumbass who turned his flames off. If he kept it on Zoro would’ve died. Even Kaku and Lucci can hurt flames off Lunarians. Sanji was the one who damaged flames on S-Shark with rare heat strike. Sanji beats the shit outta king mid-diff.
@@sonofthechosenone4335 "didn’t even look like he wanted to fight anymore when he was finally captured." This is all assumptions "S-Shark couldn’t even hurt Sanji." Sure cause neither Seraphims really had King's AP. They don't even have any finisher's like King's Extra Large Imperial Dragon Flames. "Meanwhile Post-KOH Zoro admits he can’t hurt flames on lunarians." He never said that while using ACOC. We never even got to see thick ACOC Black Lightning from Zoro against the Seraphims. "King lost because he was a dumbass who turned his flames off. If he kept it on Zoro would’ve died." Wrong. Chapter 1035 page 14, King has his flames-on. Zoro: "Why bother to block my attacks? I thought they did nothing to you?" IMPLYING Zoro was already hurting King in Flames-on with ACOC. "Sanji was the one who damaged flames on S-Shark with rare heat strike." He couldn't even finish S-Shark after a day. So S-Shark took minimal damage. If it wasn't for that bubble gun Sanji would've never beat S-Shark and will be dropped into exhaustion just like when he fought Queen
People really underestimate king only cause he loosed to king after he got acoc, king let his defensive mode go off to make his strongest attack against zorro, if he could really hurt king its never said. But i still say law and kidd are stronger than king i dont see king defeating one of them he doesn't have the feats to say that
Thought this would be some sort of hidden narrative type thing. But it’s just a nonsense power scaling video that overestimates King. And Zoro to an extent. King is strong but not that strong.
You should've made a video of how Sanji vs Queen is misread instead since 99% of the Sanji fanbase thinks he neg diffed Queen after his awakening even tho it was literally a high-extreme diff fight. I still think Zoro vs King was mid diff cause King did no damage to Zoro after he unlocked Acoc while Zoro beat him with 3 hits.
I mean, he really did low diff (reason I saw low diff is bcz sanji didn’t one shot him) queen after his awakening bcz we saw nothing but queen getting ended and the fight ended in like 4 panels. So…
@@Muffin11262 Ignorant fanboys like you are exactly the reason why I'm asking him to make a video about how Sanji vs Queen is misread. I can write a paragraph to explain that it was a high-extreme diff fight and Sanji could've potentially even lost but I'm tired of explaining this to Sanji fanboys.
@@Dracule18 if ur talking about the overall fight, yeah it was then. But u explicitly mentioned after awakening. I could say the same that I can also write paragraphs proving how sanji low diffed him, but that doesn’t change the fact that Im trying to avoid it like u are bcz I’ve got nothing🤷♂️. Fight ended in 3-4 panels, queen got thrown off the island in few kicks. U must like that brachio dick, eh?
Zoro>King>Jinbe>Sanji>Queen for now, Sanji stocks went down from the last chapter, its just oda doesn't give him a moment with top tier (admiral-yonko+ characters) like he got moment with main villain then proceed to get neg diffed, eye diffed, etc 😭 hype tool 😭😂, let the man fight kizaru ffs 💀😂
@@sonofthechosenone4335 it's hard to be Sanji fans 😭, blame oda tho, he's not giving Sanji feats😭, I mean he can leech to Zoro feats like what his fans used to do 😂,
@@theplague3327 It’s hard for Zoro fans extreme diffing that bum Lucci 😭. Meanwhile Sanji toys with S-Shark, has the best speed feats, and has been hinted recently to be getting Conquer’s Haki soon. Having a hateboner for Sanji must be rough. Blame Oda for hyping up a Wing of the Future Pirate King😭.
@@sonofthechosenone4335 LMAO 🤣, last chapter probably a hell for you 😂😂😂, the headcanon and coping, feels bad for you ngl, you'll do this for like 5 to 10 years till one piece end i guess, good luck 🤣
2000 video to defend character you like .... Imagine king vs kizaru? He probably died after two second but you still think that he is better than Marco... And you really think oda make one piece in the way you tell in every video. Oda don't give a fuck about power Level (watch crocodile) .
i am sorry you lost me at "king can rival th estrongest supernovas". that's just not true law kid and luffy are as close to emperors as you could get at roof piece in time admirals may be slightly stronger but commanders ain't competing with them no way
its situational, kaido was caught off guard by luffy a tthat point in time, which was confirmed a little bit after that during roof top. If king was in luffys shoes then yes, but if kaido isnt underestimating king then king isnt doing the same@@ThePrinceN
@@IMO3530 see katakuri is on king's level given they both first commander and all that and luffy at the roof top was way past that level and lawa and kid were realtive to him, so there's no way king is on the same tier tbf zoro and killer are on that tier either.
@@ThePrinceN their ranks don't mean anything for comparisons rayleigh and benn beckman are in the same position on their crews and they would mop the floor with katakuri they don't have to be relative
Your coping so hard 💀if king is so strong why did he get booty clapped so badly against green bull . He should’ve put up a better fight if he’s stronger then all the people you state
@@Kronzo_Z That’s true but Greenbull would have beaten him anyway it just wouldn’t be such a free W for Greenbull. King isn’t beating any admiral. And I’m an admiral hater.
Never is it correct to say that in one part Zoro is stronger then luffy, sword atks always have more AP then a punch but that alone does not make him stronger, looks like someone else doesn't understand the fights
? Swords in one piece are only as strong as you can make it via haki…… normal swords in one piece can’t cut through people that are actively engaged in a fight, looks like someone else dosent understand how fights in one piece work…..
The spoilers that i listed in the video talk about egghead dont watch it if your anime only
“Which was described to be literally like magma”
*shows panel in which it’s clearly figurative*
Facts
That doesnt change anything
@@SSGShambles it does, because he’s trying say it’s literally magma so he can scale it to Akainus, which is stated to have the highest AP in the verse.
If you’ll lie to get a small point like that, you’ll lie to make any point you need 🤷🏾♂️
@@Kurotama11 he never asserted that its directly akainus magma entirely. Its just that magma is strong and exemplified it through akainu.
Also, magma is stated to be a form of dura neg countless times (databook deep blue)
@@SSGShambles you just proved my point.
If it’s not *literally* magma, all of the points of scaling it *to* magma become invalid.
“Magma is stated as duraneg” cool, that’s why it matters that it isn’t *literally magma*
Taking it from a figurative comparison to a literal one allows you to highball Kings fire as having things like duraneg…..which for damn sure is never stated
OMG, I thought I was the only one. Most people thought this was the fight that settled the issue of whether Zoro was (or could be) stronger than Luffy eventually and I thought that Oda seemed to deliberately make everything about this fight vague and directly difficult to Zoro. Zoro wasn't just fighting Haki or a Devil Fruit, but a legendary bloodline AND his own damn weapon. And I think people mistake how formidable these features on King were simply because he was Kaido's subordinate. But I kept saying Zoro is likely waaaay stronger than we think. He's almost like Kenpatchi- he always has something holding him back.
But, also, I understood that phantasm of Death to be a display of Zoro having mentally held himself back from Kings Haki all this time. I mean...he was always written as a character that could be a captain and rival Luffy. But he chose to deliberately subordinate himself to Luffy under certain conditions- and there was two times Zoro seemed to get pissed when he felt Luffy wasn't living up to those conditions.
What feats does he have to rival luffys. Even in his base
I feel like something we all need to realise that ashura zoro vs kaido was him at his peak in the raid those feats against kaido don't represent what KOH zoro can do
Zoro unconsciously used conquerer haki....
@@kingxanime8603that's headcanon
@@theplague3327 then why did kaido say so your also a conqueror user
@@maxmoon4138 conquerors haki and advanced conquerors haki are two different things.
@@maxmoon4138 conquerors haki and advanced conquerors haki are two different things.
Wow brilliant. I completely overlooked the narrative aspect great insight
Man the writing side of King Vs Zoro is something i completely overlooked. You cooked like crazy in this video
Bro cooked but he missed a flavour which is saying king was stronger than any supernova on roof. Zoro always had conquerors, Kaido says he uses it a lot of time just subconsciously. Luffy and zoro were only ones who have good haki. Law and Kidd's Haki is mid tier at best. They both depend on their fruit a lot hence did not upgrade their haki as much as luffy. Infact they did not go against such opponents like Luffy to get upto that level as Rayleigh said Haki increases exponentially in real battles. King was not strong, Law and Kidd were weak. Thats it they were strong but they did not have good enough haki to go against Kaido or Big mom, remember it took 2 supernovas+awakenings+haki to defeat big mom who is strong but still somewhat weaker than Kaido, and the fruits werent bad, Its just that Luffy was stronger and worked harder
Bro is going into nothing, a whole paragraph to say litteraly nothing usefull. 💀
@@ArabDwellerNo wonder you resonate to it, its just like your life
@four-rh4dy Atleats, make sure your statements make sense before writing them. 💀
@@four-rh4dy bro how do you take this much offence to someone saying that you didnt say anything useful 💀
Your videos are one of the best! Keep up the hard work!
The fight is basically enma and king vs Zoro
Love your videos keep up the great work
Your right it was more clear that sanji was fight against his past and biology and needed to except it . But zoro needed to move beyond it both were willing to throw away what they stood for. Sanji with become cold and zoro with swords men ship . It would be great to see a video deep dive on the parallels. Your the only person iv seen bring up this part of the fight
that kuina bit is bang on ,when king said that to zoro that is what came in my mind
Law can’t hurt King? You’re drunk dog. He has a multitude of options.
NAAAAH THE SERAPHIMS CROCO IS GONE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i loved u pfp maan~
Zoro awakened conquerors haki way earlier in wano kaido even mentions him having it when he went head to head with him
He never "Pressured Zoro After Coc Haki" Then King Got 3 Tapped...
He just like sanji more
Hi big fan Lowe vids
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Lost me after 3 minutes my boy.
1. Zoro has never scaled above of those three captains. Yes, Zoro has a very high attack potency (he’s a swordsman and we’ve seen in OP that this means a lot) but this doesn’t mean he’s stronger than them. Just means in a given scenario he can do more damage.
2. Just because Zoro is a better matchup for King than Law or Kid doesn’t mean he’s stronger. Defeats the whole point of a matchup. Luffy would’ve been able to beat King with his Ryou most likely. Probably would’ve done so much easier than Zoro. And Luffy with Acoc and Ryou is definitely beating King easily and wouldn’t even struggle like Zoro did.
3. Law and Kid beat Big Mom, a way stronger opponent that King. King isn’t lasting long against Kaido or Big Mom unless they wanted to stretch the fight out.
Having a good attack potency doesn’t automatically make someone stronger than the other. Eg. Luffy uses his fists, Zoro uses a blade. If Zoro’s Haki was anywhere near as good as Luffy’s (he sucks at observation, doesn’t have Ryou, and barely knows how to use coc/acoc haki that still doesn’t guarantee he’s beating Luffy. Case in point, Luffy vs Kaido. Kaidos Haki and devil fruit usage was better than that of Luffy’s (and he also used a weapon which made it easier for him to use coating) yet in combination with his awakening and his haki, Luffy was able to pull off beating Kaido. Not everything is about “stats” and “feats”
4. Zoro would probably lose to Kid with not that great of a difficulty. Not because Zoro is weak but due to the fact that Kid's abilities make him a bad matchup for Zoro . We saw he was able to even magnetize someone like Big Mom whose haki far surpasses Zoros own in every way. Even she couldn’t break free from it or nullify the effects with her haki so Zoro has no chance. Same with Law. Neither Kaido nor Big Mom could nullify his DF effects with haki even though they have some of the most insane haki we’ve ever seen. On top of that this man has complete control over his room and can make it really big. Zoro isn’t getting out of that or blitzing Law in his own room.
5. If Zoro was so much stronger than Law and Kid, why didn’t he fight BM or Kaido? Why’d he fight Kaidos #2 who was quite weaker than Kaido (King is insanely strong but Kaido is just in a far different league than in terms of strength and power) and struggled most of the fight.
6. These Zoro feats yall keep bringing up doesn’t prove he’s stronger than them. Yes he blocked the combined attack of Kaido and Big Mom( it was a named attack but let’s face it, it wasn’t even close to being their strongest move or strongest in the verse. And if not for Law he would’ve been dead only after holding it for a few seconds ). It was impressive he blocked it yes but just after a few seconds, he broke all his bones. Any longer and he'd have probably died. Law made Kaido howl in pain, Luffy laid Kaido on his back and made him cough blood with just his fist and no weapon. Yes Kaido, dodged the attack but we saw Zoro cut Kaido and Kaido didn’t even flinch and wasn’t in pain in anyway. Zoro has three swords yet was only able to cut Kaido with one sword. Odens sword at that. Oden was the one that got his sword to the level where it was at. Oden was able to cut Kaido with both swords despite only one of those swords being Enma. Zoro cut Kaido in the most vulnerable place on his body. An old left by Oden and still couldn’t inflict as much lasting damage as Oden. KOH Zoro isn’t doing much to Kaido however you look at it.
Zoro is strong. No denying that. But let's not scale Zoro higher than he should be
Pure cope Oda portrayad Zoro's feats as greater in the Rooftop. He blized BM several times which Law and Kid couldnt once made Kaido doge which Law and Kid couldnt once saved luffy's life several times exchange and blized Hybrid Kaido leaved a permanent scar stopped a combination attack of Kaido and BM long enough for the onthers (Kid Law) to be safe after that Law even question how Zoro was still able to keep moving and fighting. and thats all pre King of hell. Zoro is individuelly clear of both no matter how u look at it and from now on the gap will only get more far.
He did portray zoro very well, but in the context of narrative it makes no sense. If zoro was stronger than both why be relegated to fight a first division commander. When we saw that the very same yonko took out two commanders very easily ( one in a weakened state) being Queen and Marco.
Note that Marco for an extended period of time was fighting both king and Queen, while they won eventually they still struggled a bit.
Making kaido dodge was impressive but we saw Luffy do the same and taunted kaido for it. The dead man’s game attack of zoro gave a permanent scar but he himself said that was his strongest attack he could do and he wanted to knock kaido off his feet (viz chp 1010 pg 10-11).
While you may say he was injured and the attack is weakened is valid point we have never seen it matter at any other point in the series. So that would be strongest possible attack before King of hell
Meaning it was stronger than the attack that kaido dodged or if that dodge was stronger then that meant enma pulled more haki than zoro thought he had to use or was doing something to add to zoro’s power ( which does work with how both yonko mention the sword’s haki being strange) but personally I think weakens the portrayal of zoro saying he needed help to make kaido dodge than him being in 100% control of that attack.
Next big mom was speed blitz at no point on the rooftop. Why because all the supernovas were focused on kaido, big mom www support. To get big mom off the the rooftop they made the plan that Luffy distracts kaido, zoro cuts up Prometheus, killer stops napoleon with kid and law taking both big mom and Zeus.
It’s obvious why zoro fought Prometheus he had the technique cut fire. But the overall the heavy lifting was done by the 3 captains
Next is that a 100% powered up zoro almost lost to king. He almost had his haki set to zero and all the damage from before was set to zero by the miracle drug of the minks he did suffer after effects until his fight was over
If I were to rank the supernovas on the rooftop and be completely generous to zoro I would place him at second at most behind Luffy. Who kaido had been focusing on the most out of anyone on that roof.
But objectively I place him 3rd behind law and Luffy. Beating kid who didn’t really show that much until his fight with big mom and wayyyy more than killer. (To be fair killer is the only one who did not deserve to be up there)
@@Kronzo_Z permanent scar doesn't mean nothing you stupid mf kaido was still okay and whooped his ass he didn't tank the attack he was injured. When he took thunder bagua he got his bones broken even law took thunder bagua and still was okay.
W video
King pushed zoro to an extreme diff
wasnt zoro 2x srronger due to the medicine? im not sure so correct me if im wrong,
I like how king got defeated without having his devil fruit on, while kat lost using buzz cut mochi and spamming future sight.
Yeah. Where is his hybrid form🤨
My problem with king vs zoro was the fact that it showed us king was NOT an experienced fighter. It showed me that he was naive and the only reason he’s considered strong is because of his genetics because no one could damage him and nobody was fast enough. Kings tenure on kaidos was probably a breeze he was never challenged he was just a glass house not as far as durability but his reputation was. We didnt even get to see his hybrid form. He wasn’t even an actual swordsman(even tho it was funny he wasn’t he should’ve been). He did not show any real skill fighting without a sword. We didn’t see not one Haki feat from his and supposedly hes a conquerer (correct if wrong). As soon as his mask got cut off he lost his temper. King was a massive letdown
The part that annoyed me the most is that king gave up his own advantage (that is mobility and flight) then all of a sudden platforms just came out of now so zoro could reach king in the end
You mean debris? Not platforms
He probably didn’t need them anyway. Just looks pretty badass.
Platforms? What were you watching?
The only thing you’re getting wrong is that on the rooftop, Zoro was already subconsciously using conquerors haki which is both shown and stated which would be the reason for his insane feats on the rooftop, meaning while king of hell Zoro greatly outscales no conquerors haki Zoro it’s unclear how much stronger he is than rooftop Zoro, at the very least the difference would be smaller than no conquerors Zoro compared to king of hell Zoro, though I’d argue ashura rooftop Zoro would be at least close to king of hell Zoro, a better argument for upscaling king would be that he wasn’t trying his best against Zoro since he stopped using his devil fruit halfway through the fight
HEYYY DID THE ANIME REACH THE END OF ONAGAHSHIMA?
the spoilers talk about egg head dont watch it if ur anime only
i still thought Zoro vs King was one of the best fight between characters in both story and animation sense.
Kid is debatable (althogh i think he high diffs King) but law is not debatable, Law with his Shambles outpaced the reaction speed of a (nerfed) soul buffed big mom so King can not just speedblitz him, Law would be the one outpacing him with shambles and he can hrut King with K-Room, and it should only take 1 or 2 considering it dealt insane damage to (nerfed) big mom
Law did not outpace Big Mom on his own... That is why Kidd was there. Law and Kid on their own stood no chance against Big Mom.
@@BlackLotus30doesn’t mean they can’t beat king and just they can’t beat her on their own doesn’t mean much of shit the zoro that beat king is not doing anything to big mom
@@darkskin3134how is he not doing anything to Big Mom when she screamed for Kaido to doge his PRE King of Hell attack. The downplay 💀
Good video but I don’t like clickbait titles amigo, thought you were going to show me some hidden meaning lost in translation not some argument bout why powerscalers are over reactive and bad at media analysis lol
Who the fuck would call King weak? What, does losing a fight make you trash or something? It's like when people shit on Kidd. If Kidd wasn't a threat, Shanks wouldn't have blown his ass up.
You're indian ??
Also zoro was using conquerors haki on the performance floor so he was already tapped in just didnt and still doesn’t understand it. Also the px’s are strong yes but over powering them and knowing how they work wont be hard especially since zoro defeated a real lunarian with the power upgrades there using already.
Why does Zoro have horns lol
3:06 Did he say Big Meme? Lmao
Personally I think sanji extreme diffs king, and healthy zoro high diffs him.
Got the same take
How would sanji extreme diff king when he has speed superior to that of king has top tier dura wit his germa genes he tanked a lunarian jinbei punch to the face took no damage and beat him by himself and it was said by luffy that the jinbei was just as tuff as kaido and u rlly think ifrit jambe and the ability to go invisible from sheer speed won’t high-mid diff king?
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1:blitzing zoro and needing to get precogged is an infinitely better speed feat than blitzing queen then proceeding to get tagged and needing to amp yourself further.
2:We saw the aftermath and the jinbei seraphim was chilling with zero damage, just like all the other seraphim.
@@NO-zb3fz how is that an infinitely better feat than blitzing queen? He was soo fast he was invisible and queen was sweating that he was losing stam which wasn’t even the case and he didn’t get tagged in the manga the anime just changed things to drag it in the manga he one shot her and sent her to a whole other damn section of the island which is far better than precogging king like there’s not one speed feat zoro can do that sanji can’t do 50x better and don’t say it like the seraphim and sanji just had coffee tgt clearly one couldnt do shit to the other hence why he got captured in the bubble
@@darkskin3134 ngl bro plz re-read what you wrote and edit it, it's hard to read. No disrespect.
It’s not a miss read, zoro saying he thought king having his flames on would just neg zoro’s attack yet king dodged, but for now your right it’s just an assumption but there were never anymore statements that said king was invincible cause zoro just proved him wrong. It’s in egghead island where zoro says that if the seraphim have there flames on absolutely no one can do damage again
So the title of the video should we were wrong about zoro vs king not we misread it cause there was nothing to miss read just all assumptions like one piece fans have been doing for years with this ambiguous ass series
"Law and kid cant hurt king"
Laws attacks are durability negation and not just his awakenings but his gamma knife and injection shot.
This guy is always high on something
Zoro also had dura neg but couldn’t hurt king, luffy also used dura neg against the seraphim but couldn’t hurt king lol
@@IMO3530Zoros duraneg literally starts to hurt King mid fight….he dodges a Purgatory Onigiri with flames still on
@@Kurotama11seems like king was shaky once advance conquerors came to the table. Maybe while the flames prevent true damage, the attacks still hurt?
That was shown no where, he never drew blood from king when he had his flames on, gimmie a chapter and page number. The following panel literally said “his flames are on in point in attacking” 😭
@IMO3530 Look I know kings d must feel really good but you have to know when youre taking things too far
Both are still base luffy victims 😭
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Nuh uh
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Objectively true
Facts
When Zoro cut Kings wings he had his flames on, Luffy and Zoro knows how to damage the seraphim but they would have tu use advanced conquerors meaning killing intentions, Zoro said he didn’t even knew if King could survive after that attack so he definitely knows how to cut seraphim’s and Luffy can also but why would they try to kill the seraphins?? I agree with you, king is strong af, even more than any supernova including Luffy before roofpiece, but king of hell mode is three advanced conquerors attacks, Zoro was much more stronger than King, king had to push his owns limits while Zoro was discovering the power-up’s limits
I feel like you’re overthinking this fight and zoros role
Didn't Zoro have almost all of his bones brocken in this fight
mink medicine completely healed him till it wore off and made his condition from before hand even worse
King may be a Sanji and Zoro victim but he’s definitely underrated af.
He's not a Sanji victim
@@legion0764 He is💀. King can’t even hurt Sanji. Sanji gives him the S-Shark treatment…
@@sonofthechosenone4335
Sanji didn't beat S-Shark. The Bubble Gun finished the work.
No one can beat a lunarian in flames-on without ACOC. The only reason why Zoro was able to push King into Flames-off is because Flames-on is basically useless against ACOC. ACOC is the conqueror's version of ACOA's internal Destruction. Emitting Haoshoku is having it flow into a targets body and destroy it from the inside out(Basically Dura-Neg).
Unlike Lunarian genes, Exoskeleton can have a huge toll on Sanji's body dropping him unconscious after using Ifrit Jambe
@@legion0764 Yeah Sanji wrecked S-Shark so badly bro didn’t even look like he wanted to fight anymore when he was finally captured. He was factually the most damaged Seraphim when they were all caught in the bubbles. S-Shark couldn’t even hurt Sanji. Meanwhile Post-KOH Zoro admits he can’t hurt flames on lunarians. King lost because he was a dumbass who turned his flames off. If he kept it on Zoro would’ve died. Even Kaku and Lucci can hurt flames off Lunarians. Sanji was the one who damaged flames on S-Shark with rare heat strike. Sanji beats the shit outta king mid-diff.
@@sonofthechosenone4335 "didn’t even look like he wanted to fight anymore when he was finally captured."
This is all assumptions
"S-Shark couldn’t even hurt Sanji."
Sure cause neither Seraphims really had King's AP. They don't even have any finisher's like King's Extra Large Imperial Dragon Flames.
"Meanwhile Post-KOH Zoro admits he can’t hurt flames on lunarians."
He never said that while using ACOC. We never even got to see thick ACOC Black Lightning from Zoro against the Seraphims.
"King lost because he was a dumbass who turned his flames off. If he kept it on Zoro would’ve died."
Wrong. Chapter 1035 page 14, King has his flames-on.
Zoro: "Why bother to block my attacks? I thought they did nothing to you?"
IMPLYING Zoro was already hurting King in Flames-on with ACOC.
"Sanji was the one who damaged flames on S-Shark with rare heat strike."
He couldn't even finish S-Shark after a day. So S-Shark took minimal damage. If it wasn't for that bubble gun Sanji would've never beat S-Shark and will be dropped into exhaustion just like when he fought Queen
King underated
wordd
that would be true I guess
But he got smoked by an admiral 😂
People really underestimate king only cause he loosed to king after he got acoc, king let his defensive mode go off to make his strongest attack against zorro, if he could really hurt king its never said.
But i still say law and kidd are stronger than king i dont see king defeating one of them he doesn't have the feats to say that
King has the strenght durability and speed feats to stomp them both individuelly
I fell like that is a responce to superior iq
He must be a king fan cause if I remember correctly that was his last profile pic
@@animoments8969it was mini crocodile like mine
Thought this would be some sort of hidden narrative type thing. But it’s just a nonsense power scaling video that overestimates King. And Zoro to an extent. King is strong but not that strong.
Was expecting some in dept reading analysis and themes. Got nonsense power scaling instead 😅
It’s split into 3 halves
IMO you really cooked please don't forget your recited
You should've made a video of how Sanji vs Queen is misread instead since 99% of the Sanji fanbase thinks he neg diffed Queen after his awakening even tho it was literally a high-extreme diff fight.
I still think Zoro vs King was mid diff cause King did no damage to Zoro after he unlocked Acoc while Zoro beat him with 3 hits.
I mean, he really did low diff (reason I saw low diff is bcz sanji didn’t one shot him) queen after his awakening bcz we saw nothing but queen getting ended and the fight ended in like 4 panels. So…
@@Muffin11262
Ignorant fanboys like you are exactly the reason why I'm asking him to make a video about how Sanji vs Queen is misread. I can write a paragraph to explain that it was a high-extreme diff fight and Sanji could've potentially even lost but I'm tired of explaining this to Sanji fanboys.
@@Dracule18 if ur talking about the overall fight, yeah it was then. But u explicitly mentioned after awakening.
I could say the same that I can also write paragraphs proving how sanji low diffed him, but that doesn’t change the fact that Im trying to avoid it like u are bcz I’ve got nothing🤷♂️.
Fight ended in 3-4 panels, queen got thrown off the island in few kicks. U must like that brachio dick, eh?
no zoro won and also because he said he wont loose until he faces mihawk so he has plot armor too
also i disliked sorry but i didn't like the video
Zoro>King>Jinbe>Sanji>Queen for now,
Sanji stocks went down from the last chapter, its just oda doesn't give him a moment with top tier (admiral-yonko+ characters) like he got moment with main villain then proceed to get neg diffed, eye diffed, etc 😭 hype tool 😭😂, let the man fight kizaru ffs 💀😂
Bro watching Two Piece
@@sonofthechosenone4335 it's hard to be Sanji fans 😭, blame oda tho, he's not giving Sanji feats😭, I mean he can leech to Zoro feats like what his fans used to do 😂,
Jinbe has done nothing to show he's above Sanji.
@@theplague3327 It’s hard for Zoro fans extreme diffing that bum Lucci 😭. Meanwhile Sanji toys with S-Shark, has the best speed feats, and has been hinted recently to be getting Conquer’s Haki soon. Having a hateboner for Sanji must be rough. Blame Oda for hyping up a Wing of the Future Pirate King😭.
@@sonofthechosenone4335 LMAO 🤣, last chapter probably a hell for you 😂😂😂, the headcanon and coping, feels bad for you ngl, you'll do this for like 5 to 10 years till one piece end i guess, good luck 🤣
2000 video to defend character you like ....
Imagine king vs kizaru? He probably died after two second but you still think that he is better than Marco...
And you really think oda make one piece in the way you tell in every video.
Oda don't give a fuck about power Level (watch crocodile) .
LUNARIAN FOR NOTHING
i am sorry you lost me at "king can rival th estrongest supernovas". that's just not true law kid and luffy are as close to emperors as you could get at roof piece in time admirals may be slightly stronger but commanders ain't competing with them no way
"without their awakening" "Luffy before he got conquerors haki"
@@IMO3530 do you think king is smashing kaido to the ground like luffy did red rock??
its situational, kaido was caught off guard by luffy a tthat point in time, which was confirmed a little bit after that during roof top. If king was in luffys shoes then yes, but if kaido isnt underestimating king then king isnt doing the same@@ThePrinceN
@@IMO3530 see katakuri is on king's level given they both first commander and all that and luffy at the roof top was way past that level and lawa and kid were realtive to him, so there's no way king is on the same tier tbf zoro and killer are on that tier either.
@@ThePrinceN their ranks don't mean anything for comparisons rayleigh and benn beckman are in the same position on their crews and they would mop the floor with katakuri they don't have to be relative
Your coping so hard 💀if king is so strong why did he get booty clapped so badly against green bull . He should’ve put up a better fight if he’s stronger then all the people you state
I just finished and mans is glazing crazy law and kid awakened are spliffing him
no i didnt
Oh thats the way.. i was wondering why this fight was so trash on the manga
I agree!
king is admiral level fosho
Greenbull would like to know what you are on
you’re either drunk or high
Lol fool
@@meteor2082beating a bandaged up flame off King is nothing impressive.
@@Kronzo_Z That’s true but Greenbull would have beaten him anyway it just wouldn’t be such a free W for Greenbull. King isn’t beating any admiral. And I’m an admiral hater.
Never is it correct to say that in one part Zoro is stronger then luffy, sword atks always have more AP then a punch but that alone does not make him stronger, looks like someone else doesn't understand the fights
? Swords in one piece are only as strong as you can make it via haki…… normal swords in one piece can’t cut through people that are actively engaged in a fight, looks like someone else dosent understand how fights in one piece work…..
watches zoro beat king* : then says king is stronger and zoro didn’t win. ur not the writer clown 😂