The Cave Update Isn't That Simple
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- There are many requests for a cave update, but how might Mojang do one? Simple - by solving the current problems with the underground. Four of which are covered in this video.
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0:00 Introduction
0:39 Problem 1: Caves feel the same
4:47 Problem 2: Mining doesn't require strategy
8:06 Problem 3: Lack of incentive to mine
11:32 Problem 4: Mining is monotonous
16:40 Conclusion
The public mods I used to showcase these ideas are Quark and Yung's better caves, and the private ones are called Cave Upgrade and Nether Extension, both of which are available on the patreon.
Nether Extension has the glowing obsidian as well as some other features to improve 1.16. It doesn't have too much content at the moment, but it will hopefully be getting more soon. More info here: twitter.com/TeamAbnormals/status/1294138580554493953
Cave Upgrade was our secret mod available to patrons and nitro boosters; its main features are the TNT variants, the crystals and enchanting system, and the copper. Copper still needs a lot of polishing before all aspects are usable, but it's playable. Since 1.17 is Caves and Cliffs we have temporarily stopped working on it.
haha i've always wanted to pin and love my own comment
Ok
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy
Thanks
Which mod has the copper doors with the gears, and the other copper stuff?
these suggestions are really good
An Increase in the world height could also make oceans bigger, and deep oceans could actually be deep
Edit: THEY DONE ITTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Edit 2: The ocean floor is stone .-.
The world height is likely to be increased because of mountains.
During the "Ask Mojang" episode uploaded by Mojang yesterday, LadyAgnes actually said that they were working on increasing the world height, even though it is a very difficult task
So if we're getting a world height upgrade, we might (hopefully) get an ocean depth upgrade too
I hope it works out for them!
@@mrcrafter37 Anglerfish and giant squids, please
"If mojang announces the cave update, people will lose their minds"
Mojang:
If they had a studio audience I bet they would be cheering for a full minute.
I lost half of my mind, cant believe u didint lose a 3rd!
.O.
@@ChatterGaming hi
@@thatduderobert7304 pathetic is a pretty strong word but yeah. Pair the long time with people bringing it up every time they so much as *breathe* and you get the idea you should probably do something and move on
@@thatduderobert7304 I wish they'd just stop already... I'm sick of having to update and forget about my favorite mods ever existed. mojang was timid before the corporate take over but now its proven that the fear of change is to forever be that status quoe...
this guy: *releases video*
mojang: *rapidly taking notes*
They literally addressed most of his points with the update
@@spacegirl1281 yeah, the more snapshots they release the more points this video got right. It's either he's Nostradamus foreseeing the future or he's the non-formal lead feature developer of Mojang lmao
@@spacegirl1281 first it was that 1.17 was confirmed as Cave update a day after this video was released. Then they increased world height, then they made big progressive caves, then he mentioned Spaghetti caves and it's the exact te that Mojang used to describe the caves. And I haven't even watched this video fully yet, only ⅓ way. Waiting till I get more surprised by his prophecies
@@spacegirl1281 oh now he mentions copper. What a prophet. BUT wait! There's more! He mentions electrified copper (they added lightning rods that charge copper blocks and deoxidize them by electrifying), also mentions decorative and oxidized copper, and it's all been added. Wait till mojang gives copper even more features (I hope)
@@spacegirl1281 lmao he mentions 3d biomes and different Y levels to mine different kinds of resources. i already lost count of all the times he got right
"Even rails on the walls, cieling, and even in midair!"
Everyone: thats... Beautiful...
If mojang announces thwt whilst developing the game maybe i can actually make a rollercoaster that's exciting
The loop-dee-loop possibilities are endless.
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@@uiopuiop3472 you're are is have genius brain
@@notseenontv4819 nling
everyone: cave update when
mojang: summer 2021
everyone: wait really?
What do we do now?
I've never expected be this far away
Play with abnormals mods 😎
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Allot of people seem really put off by the idea of having more ores in the game, and I really don't really understand why, obviously if you just add twenty new metals and try to slot them at different points between iron and diamond it's going to be ugly, but there's no reason it has to be that way. Look at lapis, it's a deep spawning ore, but doesn't fit anywhere on the progression scale, it has no tools or armor to craft, but it's mandatory for enchanting, and you can grind it down into blue dye, if we're going to add more ores, that's the way we should be thinking about them, new ores should expand the game outward, not try to build on the limited progression system. For example we could add an ore like pyrite, pyrite is most well known for looking allot like gold, so it could reflect that as a decorative block that looks like gold, but is significantly cheaper to craft. It also creates sparks when struck against a hard surface, so it could make a more durable version of flint and steel for people that hate farming for flint. Lastly, since it's most commonly known as "fool's gold" maybe an unsuspecting villager wouldn't be able to tell the difference, allowing you to use it as a substitute for real gold when trading
Those are some interesting uses. Depending on the rarity you might need to come up with more though.
I like the idea of "fool's gold" trading a bit of a gamble. Villagers might have a hidden "intelligence" stat, which determines the effectiveness of fools gold. If a villager has an intelligence of 0, it would be a guaranteed fact that fools gold would be accepted. On the other end, a villager with an intelligence of 100 would always notice that it is fools gold. This would go beyond this, however, because if a villager realized that you're trying to cheat them, they would refuse business for at least 1 (actual number likely determined by intelligence, the higher the stat the higher the ban) minecraft day , and then open again with raised rates, having the amount added slowly fade from its peak to normal price. (That time is also determined by intelligence, same rules.) One way to reduce this time is genuine trading. You can also completely cancel the effect by trading with the villager with the "Hero of The Village" buff. Also, I think it should increase the rate of noticing fools gold during the "Anger Period", as I'm calling it. This comment ended up being a lot longer than I expected. oof
Edit : Yeah this probably works better with piglins because A.) gold and B.) villagers seem like chill dudes, and piglins would be the ones to ban you. Instead of raised prices probably just restrict the high level stuff.
Perhaps it could be used to trick piglins too, making bartering more interesting
I just don't want 20 diamond clones
And maybe having the pig man now it’s Fake and attack you if you try to trade with it
This guy: We should increase the difficulty for people to get things like buckets
Speedrunners: Can u don't
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they need to switch the wood and the iron on the crafting recipe for shield though
I mean iron doesn't have to a lot more rare, but copper could be requited
Iron should stay the same but redstone Boi I’ve been looking for redstone so I can make a compass!
@@mrayrick7631 wydm redstone is easy as shit, at least for me
Why tho.
I know a lot of people say "I hope the Devs have seen this", but this is the first time I've said "I hope the Devs have seen this"
Mah man, the devs *have* seen it
@@RedDeadDepressionist I don't think they did. The only thing that they've done is add copper and make the world taller. And copper doesn't even serve the purpose that was suggested. Mining will still be monotonous except for a while it will be really fun to explore for sure.
It's cool that they directly addressed some of your criticisms in the reveal. Good to know they know where to start.
sometimes I'm glad mojang listens to their fans but then I'll find someone who made a post about a glitch that could be exploited for fun and somehow someone from mojang ends up saying it's gonna be patched so I'm like "ah crap they *do* read comments" 😭
@@notseenontv4819 lol yeah
"Allowing Dispenser Minecarts to Load Chunks"
I'd recommend against it for server use. we all know exactly how it'd be used 9/10 times
Yeah, something like that would really need a gamerule, similar to the spectators loading chunks one.
Imagine that in anarchy server
@@dava8058 Doesn't matter where you put it, chunk loading is usually able to be extremely destructive(especially in modded, or when used maliciously)
"2b2t intensifies"
Imagine doing a drive-by on unsuspecting players in spawn with dispenser minecarts
That crystal enchantment influencer thing is probably one of the best ideas I've heard in a while. That, and the "blocked path by certain materials" is fantastic as well!
Thanks!
Him: Ghasts are there to keep players inside the nether cave
Also him: proceeds to kill the ghast with a diamond pickaxe and no armor
Big brain move 😎
well look who is the smart boi. you got a lot right btw
We sure did!
124th like
I thought of something funnier than 124
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@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy Well I'm afraid I one up'd ya 126 ;)
I would love the idea of a really deep y level, and the farther you go down the more dangerous it gets, so going to the deep dark is the only way to get diamonds or other rare ores. Right now strip mining for iron is just as easy as strip mining for diamonds, the only difference is how common the ores are.
I do hope that deep dark ties into diamonds. It would be so scary to mine for diamonds while avoiding a warden.
That would be cool
But the warden is a netherite level threat
Things this video foreshadowed:
0:00 & 16:00 Cave update announced.
1:35 Maximum height increased.
2:43 & 5:28 Branch mining is now a low-risk low-reward strategy compared to caving.
4:05 Different types of caves (although not biome specific yet)
5:50 Ore weights vary (although atm it's dependant on depth, not biome)
8:40 "Ores are not easily renewable", Mojang added a new resource instead which is. (Amethyst)
9:12 Ore weights modified (although not exactly how it's mentioned here)
9:13 Copper (but no tools)
9:59 Copper tarnishing (although this doesn't require water)
Surprised you didn't wait for the full update to post this lol
Also copper golems
@@CNS-BH no, that was the past, and the tuff golem too
@@SebastianSeth it was a year ago lol
@@SebastianSeth they where both not added
Clay walls is perfect, it gets rid of the possibility that i'll get lost which you just created, and, extra clay!
Very balanced
I always seem to think that clay is a gravity block, im not sure why
Sand
this video aged like a fine Venetian wine.
It was drank immediately cause they announced the update on the same day as this went up
@@fortniteawesomeparodies2706 You sure? I thought Minecraft Live was on the third, not the second.
This was uploaded on the 3rd
@@timekeeperz9714 CZcams says it was uploaded on the 2nd.
@@pikatheminecrafter probably because of the time zone
Because its a cave update
THEY COULD ADD MORE CAVE NOISES
*oh no*
N.O.
Sure, why not?
Imagine ...your deep in the new caves....you managed to still not find that unholy terror called the “Warden”.....and then you hear screech....and the warden found you....
*softly* don't
Red Obsidian would also be a cool callback to the Nether Reactor cores of Pocket Edition.
5:30-Originally I thought “Mojang didn’t do this” because they didn’t add any new shiny things like crystal spikes in the caves, and amethyst geodes can be found enclosed, so it’s possible to encounter one when strip mining. Then I realized that what they did add, such as the plethora of foliage blocks in the Lush Caves, and redstone blocks like the sculk sensor, only generate in caves and because of their purposes even if they aren’t new ores or crystals, the caving reward is still there, and the new generation even added an intrinsic reward for caving because of the potential scenery that the new caves can bring.
I think they are trying to cater to both styles. There's lots of stuff to be found in caves, but strip mining is still good for finding lots of resources
Particularly big fan of the explosive ore that does low player damage but high block damage as a sort of response to a desire for "mining TNT." Though I think nether mining is hazardous enough as is and something like that should instead be mostly found around underground lava lakes.
Yeah, after some further thought I'd definitely want to relegate it to a place the player can expect.
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy it would also incentivize players who want challenge to take the risk. It would give lava lakes a purpose other than for lava collection and death pits lol. But at the same time, if it were to be in lava lakes, and if it didn’t spawn that much, it might be too risky and have to little reward for players to attempt to collect it.
Yeah it would have to be balanced so it's worth getting
@@PixelRockett maybe one or two under every medium sized lava lake could work
Welp we got it
Sure did lol
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy Pls make a video about what do you think about the cave update
I think it's too early to tell. Liking what I'm seeing so far though
Ladies and Gentlemen..
_we got em'_
copper as useful as in terraria :v
6:11 I really like this point, encouraging players to return and seek out biomes. I don't have much of a reason for going to a plains biome, really, or just a plain forest. And jumping off of Badlands biomes, swamps also have a higher abundance of clay. Badlands are already rare and useful to seek out for the red sand and the terracotta supply, but a lot of biomes don't have that special element, which is why I like this idea a lot
I suppose that's what mojang is trying to do with amethyst geodes
Spoiler from the future: You had somewhat of an idea, but some things were off. Your video still inspired me to think of what I could do with, let's say, those amazing minecart mechanics.
Some things I'm still surprised you nailed!
"Mining is Half of Minecraft"
"Mining is 4/9 of Minecraft"
The Floor is Wall
Round 4.5 down :P
* softly * don't
when it comes to pronunciation mine and craft are both one syllabe, making "mine" half of the name
But I play Minceraft
@@acetheabomb6347 :D
mobile players with 2gb of ram on their phone with a world height increase
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@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy f
I think the phone edition should be discontinued because of how much it limmits the game or they could lease the rights to it to a separate company that can make certain changes from the base game id like to see 2 distinct versions in 10 years were the core premise is the same but the game is influenced by different creators they should forget this parity nonsense
@@get6149 The problem with discontinuing the mobile version is they cant, bedrock edition, which includes mobile, is a majority of their playerbase, and microsoft has made bedrock into a money making machine, rather than something that gets the same quality of updates and features as java, It's honestly really sad
This is why most major updates happen on Java edition first, because bedrock edition is so wildly different. I never see good mods on bedrock that don't break themselves or some other part of the game they shouldn't be breaking, either. It disappoints me, but I can easily tolerate it due to not, how do I say it? Not having fully done everything in vanilla Minecraft.
16:01 "if Mojang announces a cave update, people will lose their minds!" yeah pretty much what happened
I’m just glad they’re making caves generate in more interesting ways. Tryna live next to an underground lake ja feel?
The caverns with the stellagtites and stalagmites were pretty sick too
I think giving the ore blocks (coal ore, iron ore, etc) lower blast resistance than stone so that it's easier to blow up an ore vein would be neat. Then on top of that, give regular TNT a fortune value (which, when it blows up iron and gold ore, it turns the yields into ~10-14 nuggets per block). Dunno if it should work on diamonds or not. This would at least give some incentive to use TNT for mining.
Nuggets would be a good balanced way to do fortune TNT on ores that need smelting.
Irl some stones require planted explosive to mine , like granite - even with drills is tediously slow.
Granite layers cloud create natural barriers in betwenn depths.
Also a side note
Personally I think concrete should be explosive proof
-to add functionality aside from esthetic.
I looked at this and it took me like half a minute to realise you guys are the ones who have released by far my FAVOURITE collection of mods, like seriously, if anyone knows how to make a great cave update, it's you guys.
Cheers!
If minecraft ever make a feature of mobs clinging to the ceiling, I will have trauma forever
spiders punching air right now
I like your ideas, but the tnt and boomstone thing really doesnt fix the issue. People rarely use tnt as a way to mine, unless it is a tnt duper. Your idea to add an ore to make gunpowder more accessible is a much better idea than adding new types of tnt, especially when you think of all the new ores and possibly complicated recipes you would need for each type of tnt. You have some really good ideas here, but remember that minecraft is meant to be simplistic, adding so many features like this would probably be too much for the average player to look into and in most cases they probably will not use them in a casual playthrough. Think of it like tipped arrows, we definitely have them in the game and they have their uses, but people rarely use them in a typical playthrough.
Before I brainstormed boomstone, I was just going to have TNT variants craftable from regular TNT. It was simple, but also lackluster. I don't think adding boomstone is more confusing, its unique properties will make it the source of much experimentation. As for the other variants, they don't necessarily need new ores. Silk touch TNT, for example, could be crafted with TNT and lapis. I can see that being useful in early game.
It might get weird adding more gunpowder sources in the game, I think it's good being scarce as it is now. Silk touch TNT sounds wonderful and I would probably feel like it was worth the gunpowder cost.
There is a reason for questline books in all the complex mods out there. If a game gets too complex the players need guidance to keep up with everything
@@unknownUser-ph3br They should give villagers dialogue, or make a Town Crier villager that gives you quests.
Or just have the TNT show up in specific places as a sort of in game tutorial
I agreed with every single point in this video (except making rails cheaper). Did you read my mind, you wizard?
Great minds think alike!
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@@nailgun_fgb N- NANI!??
@@nailgun_fgb **il vento d’oro intensifies**
Rails should definitely be cheaper
Correct predictions list:
Cave biomes
World height being extended by making the bottom of the world deeper
Underground having the same height as the nether
Foliage (glow lichen, everything thats in the lush caves biome, dripstone if that counts)
Pots (kind of, pots got delayed until past cave update and they won't generate naturally)
More variety in the cave generation itself
New cave generation being designed for all play styles
Spaghetti caves
Strip mining not being punished
Crystals (amethyst geodes, but not currently used for enchantments)
Edible and climbable cave roots (kind of, since you eat fruit that grows of off them and not the roots themselves)
Underground structure being more dynamic with the terrain (mineshafts hanging on chains and having supports)
New ore / new underground resources
Copper (but no copper tools or tech (unless you count spyglasses and lighting rods) currently, unfortunately)
Different ores generating at different y levels to encourage having multiple mines
The update only adding one new ore
(This was sorted by when they were mentioned, and not listing things that were shown in only the background footage. This is also before part II started releasing, so I don't know about anything mojang decides to add that they didn't mention previously. Let me know if I missed any)
I also think that different caves simply being generated with different blocks is a cool idea, since it would add a lot of variety in the appearance while not having to add specially designed biomes (i'm still rooting for ice caves. like there are 3 different ice blocks now cmon)
I would have loved to see Rose gold tools.
Trust me a smart cursor like terraria is enough to solve the tiredness and slowness associated with mining.
I like how this came out a day before announcement
Yeah lol, I was rushing to get it out
imagine minecart parkour omg that sounds like hell but also so much fun
Ikr it would be like those Indiana Jones minecart chase scenes
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy or geometry dash remake to minecraft
bruh y'all forgetting about donkey kong country
*DONKEY KONG COUNRTY*
Copper is in but doesnt have enough uses, I hope they add more as copper has so much potential, perhaps a way to store electricity gained from a lightning rod encouraging players to not sleep through thunderstorms. Hell maybe even make having copper in your inventory during a thunderstorm slightly dangerous. Oh also copper bars need to be a thing especially if you can power them
Doubling world height and depth isn’t that simple either. There is a reason world height is a power of 2, as it is a function of computing power. Mojang doesn’t want to require you to have a $1000 graphics card or 32 gigabytes of RAM to enjoy Minecraft. Agnes confirmed the technical difficulty of changing world height but expressed they want to find a way to do it. I really hope they figure it out, but I hope people don’t become angry with Mojang if they can’t find a way to deliver.
It’s important to remember it’s fine to hope for and ask for features in games to be added, but ultimately game developers owe us nothing. The game is their creation, not ours and we have no entitlement in its creation. I’m grateful Mojang listens as much as it does. Here’s hoping world height doubles.
I agree :3
But MineClone2, a open source Minecraft replica, has a block height of something like 4,000, and barely runs slower than actual Minecraft does, even on my 4GB of RAM Laptop.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Huh, well that's interesting. Does it have as many dynamic systems as MineCraft?
There's a mod that's currently only for 1.12, but will be updated to future versions: YUNG's Law. You can choose between making ores spawn more frequently when in caves or replace everything except caves with obsidian. I think the former is the better choice, and it works well to incentivize caving over strip mining.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to have to dig through obsidian whenever I'm trying to make an emergency exit from a cave.
This got posted the day if the livestream, correct. Well congrats, you predicted 1.17
Just under 12 hours before lol
Now that 1.18 is starting to come closer and closer to its final state, it's pretty obvious that it's more of a "terrain update" than a caves and cliffs update. The new cliff generation has completely stolen the spotlight and it now feels weird to think of how ignored it was back in 2020. I'm fine with this, because of how incredibly promising the new terrain is looking to be, but sometimes I wish the terrain was underwhelming so that way they'd be forced to give depth with additions such as minecart improvements, and more progression. The more and more the scope of this update increases, the more and more redundant the biomes themselves feelin comparison. The caves need some love too. Hoping this gets addressed in some future update.
This is far from the days when the nether was just a cube that spawned loot in pe
Still feels like yesterday to me :3
Minecraft could learn a thing or two from Terraria tbh,
Idk, they're still very different games. I do like some of the abilities, perhaps mojang could take light inspiration from them.
I completely agree with the whole depth problem as it would help with cave generation, level progression, more structures and base expansion etc
Came back here a few weeks after the caves and cliffs update.
While I do think a lot of cool changes were made, such as the lush caves and crazy new terrain shapes, I feel Mojang is still apprehensive about changing the game, and fixing some of its long rooted problems (as they tried and failed at with 1.9), and are instead focusing on adding to the game in ways few people disagree with.
What sort of long rooted problems?
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy
Creepers are the first that come to mind, but how much they run counter to the game is part of their identity at this point.
I think you did a good job addressing some of the problems with the enchanting system with your "Monsters and Magic" video, but I think lighting and transportation are some of the bigger issues that have yet to be resolved.
Even with the changes to mob spawning conditions, you still have to place an excessive amount of torches or other light sources to prevent monsters from spawning in a large flat area, like a plains biome or a big cave. I think moss carpet was a good in-between solution, allowing glowstone to be more easily concealed, but I think something bigger is in order. Beacons flooding nearby chunks with light level 16 would be a great way for players to make sure their base is well lit without having burning sticks all over the ground, and prevents them from immediately preventing any monsters in a dangerous area like the nether or a cave.
Although elytra was nerfed to bring it more on the level of breath of the wild's glider, options like minecarts, horses, or boats didn't see any changes, meaning despite having more reason to explore, players are left with less effective ways of doing so. In my opinion, rails are still too expensive for the little reward minecarts bring.
Additionally, I feel like Mojang has been trying to provide viable alternatives for practices based on bugs or exploits, like ice boats or iron farms being interchangeable with soul speed and megaveins. I understand their reasoning for keeping these features in the game, as they offer a unique gameplay experience, but I don't think they should be more viable than solutions developers intended, as in many cases, there are.
cam then: "cave update isn't that simple"
mojang: caves and cliffs update
cam now: "caves and cliffs still isn't that simple"
Was waiting for someone to notice that :p
The fact that y'all predicted copper of all things is simply incredible...
It's a relatively common idea 🤷
Yeah coppers cool but we most likely wont be going to get copper tools and armor.
Cojo has already said we won't get them
Its a common idea because its a common metal
also can it be called a prediction when the primary design purpose he suggested for copper is not included? I mean like he did suggest it as a conductive and decorative block but those are the only two things they do
Yea, nevermind I don't want the cave update anymore, I'd rather have glow squids.
I can't believe you've done this
Just got this recommended after a half of the update got postponed. Some of your ideas are amazing, hopefully they still decide to add more underground structures (maybe connected to the warden). Mining being monotonous has also been changed, copper has been introduced and honestly, this video was crazy accurate considering you didn't even know what the new update would be!
Well, I figured it would have to come sooner or later. 😁
*makes a video on how to improve caves*
Mojang basically that same day: *announces cave update*
*day later
Mojang - HELLO, INTRODUCING CAVE UPDATE
Pretty much all perfect ideas. The only thing I'd change is the dungeon ideas. the primary appeal of dungeons as is is the infinitely respawning mob spawner. Making these common would be too powerful. I think instead there should be "fragile mob spawners" which spawn up to 100 of a given enemy type before shattering, which would allow mob spawners to be more liberally used in structures without being infinitely farmed.
That would be interesting. Or they could spawn tied to the structure like pillagers and guardians.
I believe the mod Quark adds mob boxes underground that spawn a group of hostile mobs when approached or if a block is mined nearby. A similar object could be used to populate "desolate dungeons," which activate a special item box that breaks into rewards when all the previous mob boxes have been activated and the mobs defeated. Afterwards, you're left with an empty and atmospheric dungeon fitting of the name!
I think some structures should do this limited mob spawning like outposts, mansions etc. they'd only spawn mobs when there's a player nearby of course (It's kinda similar to raids if you think about it).
We literally have crying obsidian revived. We need Glowing Obsidian now, the queen of childhood memory of Minecraft PE! Do not die on this hill everyone!
100%
Came back when the first part of the Minecraft Cave Update came out, and I gotta say that this video aged like fine wine.
At this point, this update can just be called "Minecraft: Terraria Edition!"
Flying eyeballs when? 👁️
Terrarian here, yeah I really want to see more diversity in Minecraft's biome, item and world generation. I prefer building in Minecraft than Terraria, but hot damn Terraria's mechanics, and bosses have it beat. Adding 4000+ items, decoratives, weapons and 11+ bosses will be nice.
Heck even Markus Persson (Notch) mentioned Terraria as a nice competition and a potential for Minecraft to add Terraria themed bosses. (so much for that one)
Terraria cares less about building and more about exploration and progression. The enemies and bosses are a lot harder to avoid and grief a lot more.
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy Yeah, building in Terraria is much harder, although yes there are a lot of blocks which means a lot of potential or block palettes, the things that kills Terraria's building structures is the game itself, if Terraria were 3d it would pretty much be an MMORPG, still some builds that incorperate 3d techniques and pixel art are pretty good, plus the Calamity Mod itself is crazy, Supreme Cal having 8,000,000 health and weapons that do 1000+ dmg, although yes I am a Terrarian, Minecraft will always stay close to me, its simplicity and creative potential allowed it to proliferate all these years..
Edit: Still though Terraria is quite diverse in enemies and plentiful in bosses, events and challenges.
I should be going back to Minecraft now, if you wanna friend me, the name is SoalitaryXD the account was made 4 years ago so apologies for the cringey name, and I'm a builder, prefer not to do combat cuz they would just spam click :/
Edit: My name is PflaumenNoch, I just recently changed my name.
that moment when no one realized at the start that this is maby mod
I imagine plenty of people realised it haha
I'm watching this in 2023
and this guy was so god damn close to what we got
copper, bigger more diverse caves, more treasure, all that.
A lot of these ideas are very good. I think there was a big emphasis on dynamacy in the thought process, which is something I agree with. The process of mining, or doing anything in a game really, being a winding path of changing ideas and strategies due to new discoveries, rather than a single, drawn out activity, is really important, I think. Something like going to the nether to mine some gold with the intent to strip mine, but then seeing a ghast and using it for it's fortune-like effect, or going into a cave to mine, and finding a tiny outpost to hide out in, alongside a chest with a few pieces of tnt which you then use, or manipulating a creeper to mine with, may seem like small interactions, but I think they make a world of a difference in keeping the experience fresh and enjoyable.
Well said. Variety and discovery go hand in hand.
I feel like the netherite mechanic that doesn't allow it to appear next to an air block, motivate the players to make endless tunnels to find it (or any mining strategy, still feels the same).
The opposite of that would be cool, where you'd need to explore a cave to find a certain mineral easier, because it has to be next to air.
I thought netherite was cool this way because its traits like this and high blast resistance made blast mining via TNT a top-tier method for the first time in the game’s history.
@@georgesracingcar7701 beds go brrrrrr
What a great, underrated channel. The calm narration is such a breath of fresh air, and your ideas for solving certain fundamental problems are on point. Hopefully Mojang will take your suggestions to heart (I wouldn't be surprised if some of their showcased features were inspired by this). Best of luck in future work, keep it up!
Thank you very much! I doubt that though, because this was released a day before minecraft live this year haha.
oo removing the small patches of the Andesite Diorite and Granite would be so nice for the inventory and making it better for people who actually want the blocks to build with by going to another biome. atm its a nuisance to mine either taking up inventory space from ores or i never have enough to build something with it.
to expand on it for realism, they should make Diorite and Andesite spawn near the edge of one biome meeting the ocean maybe for each it's like 1/5 chance. Diorite should be found deeper underground while andesite is close to the surface. Granite should spawn in hilly biomes
I’m kinda glad he mentioned terraria while taking about this because there is one feature it has that minecraft’s ore problem could benefit from and that’s its range of different valuables. in terraria, there are ores (like gold and cobalt), special ores (like luminite and crimtane), and gems (like amethyst and rubies). they’re all used for different things. ores are used for regular metal stuff like weapons and armor, but gems are specially found, have their own hierarchy system relative to the ores’, and are used for specific things, like magic items. gems don’t replace ores, they complement them.
minecraft has a feature like this, and that’s lapis and redstone. you can’t put them in an armor/tools/weapon hierarchy system with the other ores because they are used for their own special things like enchanting things and making redstone contraptions. but if they added more things like this that could help players along their journey (even and especially early on), that would be greatly beneficial for motivating players to mine and explore for more interesting things underground
Early game I feel like terraria ores are quite cluttered. Tin, lead, iron etc feel like the same ore, especially when they are mostly interchangeable iirc
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy oh yeah good point. with terraria there’s the sheer number of different types of early game ores that all essentially do the same thing, and with minecraft i feel like there’s room to add more if done correctly.
but i was always kinda confused about terraria’s interchangeable tin/copper lead/iron thing. i don’t know how much it matters except for some being better than others but but the game does give the player the mobility to go through different worlds with one player so you can get all of them, unlike minecraft, but that’s a different story that also has its pros and cons ajdjsk 👀
Yeah, Minecraft could do with more content with terraria as inspiration but they have different goals and gameplay experiences so they can't directly implement something without changing it (in some cases completely)
Wow, did they consult you for the Caves and Cliffs update? They clearly took a lot of inspiration from a lot of these ideas.
Nah I released this video a day before 1.17 was announced lol
I disagree, the major flaw in caving is the fact that all caves look the same. If Mojang (or a mod) can create a unique atmosphere through mobs, blocks, music or even light (colored light), the player experience would be driven by exploration, and each mining session would be completely different. The major difficulty is to maintain the same level of interest throughout the years, without the need of an update every once in a while. One approach would be to create sufficient ambiance disparities, but would require a lot of new blocks, most of them without any purpose beside decoration. Another approach could consist in creating interaction : through mobs behaviour, new gameplay (parkour) and maybe occasional bosses (the warden is a step in the right direction). The cave could spontanuously change aswell, like growing dripstones, cave flooding according to weather or drastic ambiance changes (dynamic spider nests, cave collapsing, etc...). If there is enough interaction, every journey in the cave would feel different, encouraging the player to better prepare itself, to create outposts and would open the gate to new features ans gameplays !
Exactly.
If you keep this content quality you will quickly rise. I love your videos and was shocked when I saw you only had 4k subs. I hope you soon get more, love these types of videos, very critical thinking
I had 1k about a week ago so your prediction has already come true lol, glad you're enjoying
Minecraft Abnormals awesome man. It’s always cool to think that you could’ve talked to a famous youtuber before he hit it
I love the idea of the charged insta mine, and think it would work perfectly for the copper set because of its conductivity
One thing i think people would hate, but could also spice up caves, is Spelunky-like traps and enemies.
Predictable yet punishing.
Probably should restrict them to temples and rare structures so they are not too annoying however.
They added the wardens and spikes, wardens are giant enemies blind that are like clickers from the last of us, and the spikes are just spikes that if you fall on you get injured
@@yuplicon6847 i watched mclive, i know about this
reminder that they haven't revealed the full update
@@yuplicon6847 Wardens - according to Kingbdogz - are a completely new category of mob, they aren't a boss, not a mini-boss, but a force of nature that you aren't supposed to fight, like a tornado-- you're supposed to avoid them.
*crafts 1 Copper Nugget into 1 Copper Dust*
no no no no no that's wrong 1 dust is 1 ingot, 1 nugget should be 1 tiny pile of dust, that's how the resources are made
Also mutliple parts in the cave were REALLY dark and near impossible to see, but other than that nice video.
Crafting recipes are subject to change, of course. Thanks for the criticism!
Actually, I do believe that caves should be darker, even at full brightness. It'd encourage the player in the early game to make a decision on whether to use coal for torches or to use coal for smelting ores, and would force the player to pick up every piece of coal that they see.
Nah he's saying that it should've been lighter in order to showcase the ideas. Also it's not hard to get enough coal for both torches and smelting.
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy I was going to say as well that the amount of coal within one singular vein should be lowered down by a bit, maybe about 12 a vein max and 6 minimum? something around those numbers.
If you wanted to encourage that sort of gameplay I guess. But that might upset a lot of other things
Me: Finds iron in a cave
Creeper: explodes the iron
Me: Finds diamonds in the explosion
The nether transition at the beginning is amazing! well done!
Lol thanks! I used immersive portals.
My dude even got the clay pots right lmao. The devs just watched this video and said “okay”
2 years later and this guy pretty much laid out exactly what they did lol.
A doubling of the World-Depth;
Underground Biomes to avoid monotony;
Different Ores at different Y-Levels to promote a mining strategy;
Copper Ore and its Oxidization mechanic;
New Ores/Structures (Amethyst Geode + Deep Dark) with unique Items to promote Mining over other forms of resource gathering;
Wow. Great ideas! I feel like someone at Mojang definitely saw this lol.
"Mine is 4/9 of Minecraft."
If they saw it they only had about 12 hours to implement it lol
@@MinecraftIdeasAcademy oh I didn't realize it was that close lol. Nvm. Great ideas nonetheless!
I love that everyones finally grown up enough put ideas in a great comprehensive videos like this
So far, as of me typing this comment, we have multiple cave biomes - lush and dripstone caves, along with the deep dark, with dripstone mostly implemented into the snapshots and accessible in custom worlds - and copper is also found at iron levels, though it's used for more as a building material than anything else, and iron hasn't been touched at all. We also _kind of_ have crystals in the form of amethyst, but they're the same as copper, more or less. There's also functionality for custom world heights, but again, it's only available if you code it in a datapack. Dungeons are planned to have a bit of an overhaul with their appearance and generation.
Haven't heard about dungeons getting an overhaul - got a source?
10:01 how did he predict the copper golem?
Cave update IRL WHEN?! We had the same cavesnsince 400million bc.!
Don't worry wholesome Elon is mining cobalt and lithium they are two new ores cool right?
I watched the video without knowing this idea was 2 years ago! They've made some of the idea come true now, which made me believe your video can guess what will happen with the game in the future :3
This was fun to watch in 2023. Very interesting to see how much Mojang listened to
These are such good ways of implementing those ideas that watching this video is legitimately carthatic.
this is such an underrated channel, hope you grow, those vids are beautifully narrated!
Thank you very much!
Me, as a 1.18.1 player can say, I‘m not sure if I will ever get used to the new terrain generation.
WE ALL KNOW everyone is going to mining just to find axolotls so we don't need to deal with drowneds and guardians
Mentioning extending the build height limit, considering the mountains and those are large open caves they showed, I’m hoping this means they are extending it.
If they are extending it, I hope the underground does ended up being around the same size as the Nether. (Alongside a bunch of other changes.)
This was just a showcase for MABY mod o_o
Or was it?
I kno right
Looks like it
I think that something that would add to the experience is having ore specific mines. As in "wow I found a coal mine, I will come back with fortune when I need a lot of fuel". They would be a regular mine but with a lot of ores of that specific type. Maybe you can even use a new type of villager to get maps to these mines. Imagine a villager that can get you to a diamond mine. This would create a lot of exiting moments when mining.
That would be cool but it might get overpowered depending on how easy they are to find when compared to general caving
@Alex Sere Ohh, kinda like copper & iron veins that are going to be added in 1.18!
I came back to this video after seeing this year Minecraft's live event, it such a shame that Minecraft didn't do more with the caves and cliffs update. It would been such a great opportunity to improve minecarts and use them as a tool for mining. I came back to this video since there finally adding more uses for copper, I hope they take inspiration from the copper segment in this vid.
Since it's the Caves and Cliffs update, with changes to caves and mountains, how about rare volcanic biomes, both active and inactive? Active volcanoe biomes would have lots of surface lava, basalt and blackstone, and obsidian surrounding the edges of some of the lava pockets. There'd be lava tunnels filled with resources under the surface of the biome, with lots of rare ores closer to the surface than anywhere else, but you'll have to figure out a way to get around the lava. This would make a "lava sponge" alternative a very great addition too. Maybe even make it related to the biome directly, like adding pumice as a unique resource that generates as surface deposits surrounding the volcanoe biome, suggesting it was ejected from the pits like how it's formed IRL! The specific mechanics of pumice would have to be worked out, maybe you'd have to reinforce it with obsidian before using it to absorb lava an area of lava, and when you break it afterwards it instead drops a single block of the superheated lava you suggested, giving you a way to store lava without it being a 1 to 1 conversion. Just some thoughts, the idea of volcanoes being included in an update about cliffs and caves just makes sense to me!
The volcanoes sound cool! Perhaps they could replace surface lava pools to prevent forest fires. I'm still not keen on a lava sponge though - I prefer boomstone cooling lava into blackstone.
Volcanic Update. Maybe that could be the day we finally get Red Dragons?
i love your videos! it's really well structured :)
There are actually many precious metals that are biproducts of refining so maybe add a refining process that allows the creation of these metals? For example, platinum is a byproduct of copper and nickel refining though, it isn't always found in other ore. Platinum could be a new metal just below diamond in strength for weapons and armor which can only be obtained by refining copper in addition to it being a conductor of electricity.
Minecraft Nostradamus, this man predicted the future
Indeed
I like how this was released the day it was announced
Can we get a full list of mods used in this video?
Quark, yung's better caves, nether extension (currently only available to patrons) and some private concepts.
you saying to "make build limit heigher but downwards" and a comment here about deep oceans being really deep makes me excited about exploring these super deep oceans where you need like a diver suit to be able to survive down there and ores being plentifull. with deepsea creatures, dangerous and passive, to make for a fun time exploring.
I have a cool idea: with the new world height oceans could be deeper. You know the deep dark? Yes exactly that, but in the ocean. When you get too close to the "Ocean Abyss" a giant squid-like creature pulls you in with its long togue. The giant squid does the same damage as the warden (only when attacking) in the Abyss the only light sources are bioluminescent plants and potentially glow squids. The abyss is inhabitated by deep ocean fish, glowsquids and the giant squid. The terrain can also be volcanic or deserted in certain areas. And you can find big shipwrecks, fossils and loot.
Having different smelt times for ores would be a way to change smelting, along with more powerful sources being required to smelt certain higher tier items would be interesting. Imagine using redstone and copper to create a pseudo-electric heat conductor which boosts the vanilla game furnace, allowing for ores such as gold, diamond, emerald, and other higher tier ores to be smelted. That would make more sense, as well as change up the progression from going straight up to diamond after being in the game for 20 minutes.
I like the idea to upgrading furnaces like that, but I'm not sure if they should be necessary to smelt higher ores.
They did a lot of this in the REAL cave update. Also, when you mentioned the breakable pots I thought of the Legend of Zelda series.
I absolutely love the copper column idea I’ve always wanted a way where I can kind of have my own iron golem preferably one that follows me or patrols a certain area and maybe even It has like five slots in it where I can put a name tag of a player and if that player comes nearby it will attempt to hurt them but doesn’t stray off its path to far. so like you designate a certain area and it can’t go more than 10 blocks away from it or something then it returns.
Yeah, I hope it gets into a mod eventually
6:28 one of my favorite additions a mod has ever added was a coal pen. all it was was a stick and a coal or charcoal, and it allowed you to draw arrows on walls floors and ceilings.
Super useful for when you have limited torches and are really winding around a cave system.