how to remove rust with vinegar (etch) and rust-oleum
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- čas přidán 30. 10. 2016
- how to remove rust with vinegar and rust-oleum rust reformer. This is to etch the metal to get ready for paint. It kills the rust so it can be painted. This process is best used on body panels with light surface rust to prep for primer.
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Note that there are three different strengths of vinegar. Regular vinegar is 5% acidic. CLEANING vinegar is 6% acidic. Those two can probably be found in many grocery stores. Then, over at Lowes, there is an INDUSTRIAL vinegar which is 30% acidic. Now that might be a bit too strong but it's easy to cut it down just by adding distilled water. So, half 30% vinegar and half distilled water and you've got a 15% vinegar for cleaning rust.
I’m gonna try that thank u
Wow good info
For rust removal on door panels (and similar parts) I saw a youtuber spray on vinegar but he then layed paper towels over it and re-sprayed it. He then used a wire brush and water to leave it as bare metal. It worked incredibly, but everyone should "test" these methods on scrap before you ruin "the actual project".
I use 5% vinegar, giving rusty tools a 24 hour soak, but if I wire brush every 8 hours, I get even better results. After that initial process, I soak them again in clean water and add baking soda to neatralize the vinegar acid. Then I proceed to sand, then polish. Depending on the metals used in the making of the tool, I have achieved mirror finishes on forged metal and aluminum. The trick after all that work us to prevent rust from reappearing.
For that I use oils and carnuba car wax. So far, so good!
Why dilute the vinegar at all ???
Vinegar is good. It's acid and it's cheap. Muriatic acid is much more aggressive and can be bought at most home improvement stores. Baking soda water is good to use with something as aggressive as muriatic acid to neutralize it afterwards. I like videos like this! There are products out there for metal prep that cost 4 times as much because they have a special name and brand name on the bottle. There are cheaper alternatives.
Jonno2summit can i use any of this on handle bars chrome
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I agree Jonn
I've never heard of this, that works really good!
Good video. As an alternative, I use balled-up aluminum foil instead of a wire brush to loosen rust after applying white vinegar...works well.
If the paint converts rust --why need vinegar?
Thank you so much for this vid! This is very helpful...my f150 is a little rust buckit and i do not want to spend tons money to keep her on the road.
To stop rust just spray with ATF.
Use on new rigs to prevent rust.
It will stop dripping and stinking in a couple weeks.
I found a cast iron skillet in the woods. I soaked it in Apple Cider Vinegar for about 3 days. I then sanded the cooking surface with a round orbital sander. My wife makes cornbread in it all the time. I left my Grandfather's pocket knife in a compost pile and found it a year later. It was rusty and ruined. I soaked it in vinegar and it is back to original condition. I wire brushed the floors in my old 1967 F600 farm truck, poured vinegar in. I wire brushed it again, followed by a light sanding then primer. Painted it and it is like new. Vinegar is cheap. It is actually good for you to ingest so it is safe to be around. It STOPS rust by neutralizing it. I put it in the chicken's water about every three months and they are all healthy.
No rusty chickens?😂
Hi, I have 67 firebird in need of restoration. Thanks, I will try this.
Apply a baking soda solution at the end to neutralize the acid.
How do you fix a already partially rusted out bumper or do you have to buy another one
I have a 2006 Grand Caravan, only 40K miles.. I got a few dime sized holes in rocker panels, so if I am going to save it, I need to neutralize rust in undercarriage before body work/paint. I can probably find a lift somewhere and do this vinegar trick, but if I am going to have undercoating applied after, should I neutralize with baking soda or just pressure wash? We have amazingly good tap water here, not unpurified well water..
send a new post on the progress of the rebuild
Hello, what would be a good way to deal with surface rust on a white 83' Regal Or a not so expensive way? Still has all chrome trim attached.
Great video.
you should use rust converter it's very cool and will make your life much easier what it is is a spray and also comes as a paint in a paint bucket and you apply that on the surface you want to convert but you have to scape off any look dirt and rust before applying.
BBQ sauce works good, I was eating a BBQ sandwich and some sauce dripped onto some rusty metal, I removed the sauce an hour late and could not believe my eyes, it removed the rust
It was probably the ketchup
Good observation Steve, but guess what, BBQ sauce and other things like Chutney and Ketchup have vinegar in them ;-)
Citric acid
Some bbq Recipes use vinegar
Only a clown who drives a POS Dodge Power Wagon could make such a comment! 🤡
Heard Coke works to. Just do a line and then you don't worry about it anymore lol. Kidding. Coke a cola lol. Will eat rust and metal if left long enough
🤣🤣🤣 I really laughed loud
Nah u didn't clean the rust well enough.
Creates rusty nose pipes
It definitely removes the built up crap on a car battery connection 👍😁
@@temporarilyimmortal795 😂😂😂
Phosphoric Acid is a much better alternative as it will convert the rust. It's the magic ingredient in Naval Rust Jelly and similar products. It's also what makes Coke dissolve rust.
It is not as good as viniger
Looking at that rusty ass Camaro I got a flashback of when I was growing up in New York, you could not find a 10-20 year old car that was not rotted up to the door handles , unless it was garaged in the winter, I'm so glad that I now live in Florida!
What kind of primer would you use after the reformer?
There is a product called blue steel that only requires removing the scale off of the surface you want to paint.
I bought a old iron bed at a antique store....it was Gorgeous with elegant scroll work and painted white. ...but eventually rust started showing thru the paint....my Father.a jack of all trades cleaned it and used Rustoleum....It eventually always started showing rust....my point,I dont think rustoleum is that good of a product.....But I do like vinegar for rust!!
can we use V2100 System Rust Reformer Spray on copper pipe especially in aircondetioner.
OK, 4 to 1... now is that 4 vinegar to 1 water or 4 water to 1 vinegar?
apple cider vinegar works better-sand blasting can distort metal. depends on the project .i personally would like to rid the world of rust.
Apple cider vinegar is the same acidity level as White vinegar - 5%. Therefore it does not work better or faster. It only smells and tastes better but costs more.
A drill with a wire brush attachment is the fastest way to go. That's how i did an entire frame on a 93' f350
Hopefully when you were done, you sprayed your chassis and frame with black Rust Olem paint, which helps protect the frame from any further rust.
@@danbasta3677 no I left it sanded and let it rust again.....duh dude. I put a zinc coat on it and then a coat of tractor paint.
@@Hardcore-Homestead silver zinc? I thought wire brushing --and tractor paint was enough
@@gregl2249 you need to coat sanded rust with zinc before painting it or the rust will come back.
@@Hardcore-Homestead just found arc black Zinc ---thx---now need to find a retailer
STO LAT, merci beaucoup !🙏
What kind of brush was that you used
removing rust this way requires a lot of steps and demands on your time and why are you diluting the vinegar, use it straight. but there are also easier and less demanding ways to deal with rust on steel. on smaller pieces like the one in this video just submerge the piece in muriatic acid for 15 minutes or so, it will come out rust free, rinse good and dry and you're ready for a good etching primer. for large metal surfaces get a gallon of Kleen Strip Prep & etch from home depot, for surface rust just paint it on and rust should be converted in a few hours without any any more steps, for heavier rust brush on a second coat a couple hours later and rust should be converted by next day, the stuff works awesome just make sure and wear gloves because that stuff will find every little cut and sore you didn't know you had....
Totally agree and have used that product ...15 bucks a gallon you... can't beat it
pethelprc the quimical you’re saying is bad for your health
Helllo, would you apply body filler on top of the rust reformer if needed? Or you have to only apply it to bare metal?
How does it look today? Has there been an update?
Vinegar does work! But I have to ask why use pitted, weak metal to patch rust holes? Go to a body shop, get a bent hood or trunk lid and patch with clean metal. It will last longer.
The patch will last a long time.
Im guessing he's trying to match the rusty patch to the rusty car...
He stated that isn’t for a patch
New sheet metal is thin and junk.
@@chrismontreuil2206 you can buy thicker sheet metal. New metal is worse than using swiss cheese to make a patch? Bs
Wow you have quite the project there. Is it finished yet?
You said vinegar first, 4-to-1 with water, so that is 4 parts vinegar, 1 of water, eh?
Eh?
Big compressor. Sanding grit. Air line. Etch primer. New panels. Welder.
The person making all the noise in the background couldn't wait 8:18 for you to shoot the video? I appreciate the video and the knowledge.
It’s not a straight 8:18 he’s coming back periodically
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lol next time just soak it in a pan and use apple cider vinegar. its much strong and there wouldnt be any rust left. i used for customers that have rust in their motorcycles. comes out looking brand new every single time.
do you have to mix it with water?
im going to try that,,, ive been using muriatic acid , but its dangerous
Mercy you can drink apple cider vinegar,, and its an acid
itsdatruff BS. All store-bought vinegars are 5% acid...doesn't matter if it apple cider or white. The other 95% is basically just water.
Apple cider vinegar is no stronger than white vinegar. They are both 5% acidity. Apple cider vinegar is just an added expense with no added benefit. It does smell better, though. But I do agree with just soaking it in a pan.
pre-soak in a flat pan overnite
Vinger and baking soda works as well soak it for a few mins
Thank you. Easier method for new DIYourselfer
I don’t think I’d put a penny in to that car 🤣
Rust converter is best, depending on type used.
What's good on frames
I would avoid cleaning with water at ALL costs
Try the pink cream Naval Jelly works better. Wipe on, wait, wipe off.
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The pain you used does cover very well and does a great look. But the metal will still rust as soon as you get it wet again.
Vinegar will also remove mill scale on hot rolled steel… Just buy a tote from Walmart with a lid and buy a couple gallons of white distilled vinegar put the steel in the tote and cover it with vinegar and let it set over night and you can just wipe it off with a red automotive scotch brite pad. I just got a scotch brite clean and strip XT pro disc from Amazon the other day and that thing will destroy mill scale, paint and rust and it doesn’t hardly remove any metal.
done right
2 light coats?
If you do not add paint on top of the rust reformer, it will start rusting again.
you spray vinegar on the rust but in the spray is is blended whit water or I it just vinegar? and what kind of brush are you using toothbrush or something stronger then that?
There is no need to blend with water. If the item is small enough put it in a plastic bucket and fill with white vinegar. A wire brush comes in many sizes but l prefer to use a long handle hard nylon brush. After 24 hours take the item out and scrub it in a clean water bucket. Keep repeating this process. You may notice that some of the rust will float off into the vinegar bucket.
I have that exact wire brush. I think it was $2 at Home Depot.
on the video you said rust oleum rust remover and I read reformer lol
My understanding is that the vinegar is acting as a rust converter. Not sure why you would need to apply a rust converter after you've applied the vinegar, assuming you let the vinegar completely kill the rust. Am I missing something? Why not just use one or the other, then prime and paint?
Matthew Baker the vinegar is very temporary and the reformer then encases the rust sealing away the oxygen and moisture.
Your understanding is wrong lol. Vinegar only removes rust (but not all of it), It's not a reformer.
phosphoric acid ..way better n quicker i did the entire seat set assembly of my 60 bel air with it..very good result video is posted here..
60belair 59willys this is what most of the rust Converters on the market is phosphoric acid if you read the ingredients
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is that muriatic acid? cause when i painted in on my old car frame,, it looked just like new, except is dangerous as hell
bebom927 it is no muriatic acid; phosphoric acid may be drinkid from Coke - Cola
Hydrochloric acid works too
Sandblasting takes 10 seconds... Great video though!
PJ Neslo some people don't own the equipment
This don't all the rust I agree I has some rust or wheel on ford Taurus I had blasted then a can of self echoing primer then black paint nothing beets sand blasting.
you can rent sand blasters
With the sand blast ther will be no more car left hahahaha
apple cider vinegar or raw organic apple cider vinegar? what works best?
apple cider vinegar is the same acidity level as white vinegar - 5% acidity. If it was any higher they would not be able to sell it as food. You only think it works better, but it's no different. It only tastes and smells better and costs more.
That does not work but it does not have the lacquer that rust killer does you can do that with plain water in a wire brush
"How to stain the driveway" lol
Vinegar is too mild. You need to soak it for days. Eastwood's AfterBlast is the ticket. Phosphoric acid which leaves a zinc film to prevent flashing.
You can get 20% and 30% white vinegar. It will eat your skin lol. But it costs like $30/gallon.
dude sound like joaqine Phoenix
Might need some Builders Bog 😀
Krudders Krud works awesome. Project Farm did/compared all these products.
Also known as Krud Kutter.
Video starts at 6:00
I would start out with a better body for that car, you have a lot of work there!
I'm not a car dude , but I do forged steel restauration at residential sector . Why wouldn't you use a grinder with a flap disc ? I mean an 80 or 120 grit won't grind but will get job done faster without all that d....around . Grind , acetone cleaning , paint .
is there any other detail I missing ?
Rust is never dead, metal goes back to where it came from, iron oxide. Get a new piece of metal, I cant belive the time, energy, and spray paint you used. Anybody watching this, don't do it!
I’m no expert, but in my opinion you are only removing surface rust. The only way that I know is to grind right down to shiny bare metal, prime, then paint.. Rust will reappear very quickly if you simply paint over it. Our cars rust very quickly due to salted winter roads in Canada..
Rustoleum Rust Remover or Reformer?
Fred C Dobbs I used the reformer. ive had a part of this peices sotting outside since i made this video and its still holding strong.
vinegar is a good rust remover but it surfaces rusts extremely fast you need to clean it dry it and yes reform is the very best for a surface that you sanded or wire brushed off reform sprays out watery but it's very deceiving because it dry's thicker than what you thought you sprayed it's a very good product. I've had reformer on prepped panels waiting for finish paint ,for one and a half years and it's still like the day I sprayed it.And it dry's a very batman black.Kicj ass stuff.I pray every day Rust-Oleum doesn't change the formula.
also sand blasting is number one rust remover "period" but when you can't ...wire brush on a drill or wire cup on a hand grinder and Reformer does the next best job.
naval jelly and ospho is not effective in paint adhesion.
Excuse me hello can't hear you noise in background
Ничего не понятно, но ооочень интересно
Looks like a concrete slab, it will not like the vinegar.
Whose concrete driveway is that?
Mine
Use a smaller wire brush.
By the way dustless blasting station would charge like 300$ to make it bare metal then epoxy prime it and it wont flash rust wile you work on it you will spend 3000$ in time scabbing in patches on a rusty car and blowing welds through.
4 part vinegar to 1 part water, or vice-versa?
If you have bad rust you should use 100% cheap white vinegar. I like to soak the item for 24 hours then scrub in a clean container of water. Then back into the white vinegar., etc.
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Vinegar is only 5% acid...adding water just dilutes it even more.
No dilution neeed. And put it in a bucket, don't waste time spraying it every 2 minutes. The guy in this video has his heart in the right place but his head is up his you know what.
Leave it in a shallow pan for 2 days the clean it dry it use a rust inhibitor right away. And paint
Buy some sheet metal same guage wont cost as much as rustoleum plus wasting time with crappy results...
no?
schorr metals placentia ca as an example.
Good luck with that!
Just use phosphoric acid.... You can water it down ...and it neutralizes rust so it wont come back .... Grind it .phospho...bondo it .... Paint it ...bam
Citric acid in hot water works better!)
At 5:55: Rustoleum Rust Remover?
Reformer, not remover.....
That was not a light coat.
Soaking in 9 parts water to 1 molasses works good too.
Just put it in a bowl of vinegar.
That car is a lost cause.
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do you have the finished car on video?
+Milk Hotdog
It’s not a lost cause if you put some time in restoring it.
Yes there is a lot of surface rust and he has removed more panels than most people would even think to remove, but to get to the root of the rust issues, you have to go several extra miles to beat the rust!
This car was my father's first car as well as mine. I have all the panels replaced and found good deals on some other panels to replace the trunk. This video was to show how to kill off the rust. I ended up leaving this test panel outside for a year in the sun and it looked just as it did when I made this video.
It seems like it works, but, Has anyone tested it over time.. I've never seen a video of Rustoleum Rust-restorer - 5 years after..
ThomasTheSailor Chubby I have it setting out and haven't moved it. So far no rust
So, it's been a year and a half. Still no signs of rust ?
I wouldn't dilute that grocery store vinegar at all... it's only 5-10% acid.
Just buy a sandblaster
spraying rust reformer ontop of a shitload of rust doesnt make the problem go away
the rust will still spread underneath...and that vinegar sure as hell didnt get rid of all that rust
Kable i have that same peice of metal sitting outside since i made this video. It has not rusted over yet, looks the same as the day i painted it!
Rayz28, That's about a year and a half.. How about, Keeping an eye on it and make a video on how long it takes for the rust to come back.. Maybe leave it in the Sun too, see if it's effected by UV from the Sun.. Do you get snow an ice where you live ?
Kable you could not be more wrong. Although this is a waste of time. Rust is just like fire triangle. Need fuel an oxidizer and ignition. Rust need oxygen oxidizer and moisture. Take any one of the three away and you cannot have fire or rust.
Good old coke and tinfoil is my choice.
You've got your work cut out for you on that car
4,1 mix daaa which way daaa
put it in a pan all over the concrete
Electrolysis would be the way to go with small pieces.Drop and spend more time cutting that horrible looking metal on that body off.
that car needs a new rear body panel
Shut the water hose... please.