Which is Fastest? 250 vs 350 vs 450 | Motocross Shootout
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2022
- Our aim in this video is to find out which MX bike is best for your average weekend warrior! Will the big, bad 450 be the ultimate motocross weapon? Perhaps the little 250 four stroke will be a better choice for most riders, or maybe the middle weight 350 SX-F will claim the crown in this dirt bike shoot out! We test the all new 2023 KTM SX-F range back to back to find out the answers :-)
Enjoy guys! - Sport
After 4 seasons and many hours on a 350, and after 36 years on and off of riding dirt bikes, I VERY VERY reluctantly bought my first 450, a 2022 KX. I instantly jived with the bike and was immediately more comfortable than I had ever been on that 350, and the 350 was a great bike.
Interesting mate
Question, I'm torn between the KTM 350 SX-F and 450? Can you describe the differences in power and comfort? Thanks!
@@brutus6328 I think comparing a 2018 Husky 350 to a 2022 Kawi 450 is a bit apples to oranges, but power wise both motors are very smooth. Obviously the 350 is missing the torque of the 450. Mid to high rpm the two motors are similar to be honest. I had huge reservations about getting a 450, but it was pure revelation how smooth and manageable the 450 is.
Comfort wise there is no comparison. The 450 is just as, if not more nimble, but night and day difference in compliance and predictability. For me the comfort is the confidence in the fact the bike NEVER does anything unexpected. My 350 had custom suspension and performed decently, but at least every now and then would have moments where it would do something completely unexpected.
The Kawi just feels hard to make mistakes on, and even when I have a "moment" the Kawi seems to lessen the severity. Sometimes I wonder afterwards "would I have crashed had I been on my 350?"...lol. I also find the Kawi easier to toss around in the air.
Both are great motorcycles. I think 350's have improved even more since my 2018. I like a 450 for the fact I can ride lower rpm, and work on being smooth and precise. The 350 took more throttle input which is a problem for me since my right wrist/hand has limited strength and mobility after having broken my wrist into several pieces and having had a couple surgeries for it. The Kawi 450 is a perfect fit for a vet like me who likes to just try to be smooth around the track and conserve energy. Everyone said the 450 would tire me out quickly and I would not be able to ride it as long as a 350, but I have found the opposite to be true.
I currently have 16 hours on the bike and I'm hoping to get some gopro riding footage at some point. I have a couple short clips my wife took of me riding the Kawi 450, and an older one of the Husky 350.
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@@Fatonzzz First, I GREATLY appreciate the in depth reply so THANKS for that!!!
Now, you're a great rider! I'm basically a step down from you as I have little experience on a track but lots in pits (we had big pits in NJ! LOL)
Also, where are you that you basically have an entire track to yourself??? I'd kill for that!
My concern is I'm a "bigger" rider at 215lbs and have only seen bigger vet riders on 450's (swapmoto did one, guys up to 240lbs)
I'm also 5'9" so the new Husky really appeals to me due to it's lower seat. I'm definitely buying brand new either '22 or '23. My main concern is not that I can't control it, but is anything less than a 450 gonna lug too much because of my weight.
@@brutus6328
You're welcome 👍 Thanks for the compliment. I'm in Northern Alberta, Canada. Our track is run strictly by volunteers. The trade off is less maintenance and prep, but yes my wife and I often have it to ourselves. Any modern 250, 350, 450 will easily haul you around at your weight, although big obstacles with less run-in will require more technique like clutch, pre-load, seat bounce, etc... I have ridden many other people's 450's in the past, and there was always that chug, chug, feeling through the corners where it felt like the motor wanted to stand the bike up. This 450 doesn't have that and feels much more "free". Seat height for MX doesn't concern me. I'm 5'-6" and ride the stock height ha ha.
You could see the second sean was on the 350 how comfortable he was. i have a 2016 i believe the same model as seans 19 and love it
Great video Max, good interview and test of the KTM, looking forward to the tests on the new 2stroke KTM s , great job Max.
Max nice work on this episode. Bradley Smith gave seat off the pants feedback that turned out to be very accurate when the stop watch came out. Great job guys !!
As a vet rider 55 i grew up on 2 strokes and still currently on my CR500 for fun of it i see the 350 riders are riding awesome !! so fast through the tight supercross stile tracks out the corners with awesome hook up in traction when i rode a 4 stroke on greasy track with shitty tires i was amazed with traction and hook up !! at my age working hard to keep up i will definetly be moving on with the 350 awesome machine that gives it everything for more confidence to stick it wet or dry !
Japanese manufacturers need to get into the 350 game and there needs to b a 350 class n racing. That could be a good balancing point n Mx/sx racing. The 350 is the perfect all around bike though for sure. I have the ‘14 ktm 350xcf and I know the newer models r much improved but I honestly have no complaints whatsoever about my bike I’ve been very happy with it. I do wish Yamaha would make a 350 and put it in a yzfx model though I would totally buy one, come on Yamaha get with the program lol
In my dreams ❤ never been on a 350cc been on most upto 500cc 2 .... I only own kTM125 07 atm ant it’s absolutely fantastic, I’ve herd them KTM350 4s are beasts 🤌🏻 2004 one I’ve got now sorry lads 😬🤗
@@bobbybrooksbank7169 if u were to go pick up a 350 4 stroke u wouldn’t b disappointed
@@Poongobbler4130 would you say 350 over 250 or even 450? Been told 350 got the perfect balance of the two? Wich dose makes sense I spose lol , I was thinking 250 4 next but now thinking 350 lol , obviously I’m 2 Stoke at heart but want something different 👌
@@bobbybrooksbank7169 yeah 350 is the perfect balance. Nothing wrong with a 250 at all and if u ride only track and can handle a 450 then cool but the 350 to me is perfect. It handles and feels like a 250 and has more than enough power to do anything ur capable of as is easier to hold onto than a 450 and more forgiving.
@@bobbybrooksbank7169 the 350 actually makes the most power on the factiry bikes. Remember the 350cc is based on the 14,250rpm. redline 250cc engine. The 450cc redlines about 10,500 and makes 60 rwhp on the team bikes. The 250cc bikes are usually built to make about 55 rwhp. Now put the 350cc and they surpass 65rwhp with ease.
Another banger video!
I just love dirt bikes
thanks for watching
what a cracking shootout
these vids are always cool! i cant wait for a test of the new 125!
I have had a bunch of KTMs over the years. I still believe the RFS 400 motor is the best 4 stk motor they ever built. But for me the 2017 300 is my favorite. Put an Öhlins TTX shock on it and go shred!
Sweet job my friend 👍😉
For my 60th birthday I bought myself a new KX450. Never could ride it as fast as my little 125 Suzuki.
Great video! Very interesting. If it's possible would be very interesting to know about the new 300 SX.
2 strokes suck . everyone is faster on 4 strokes PERIOD
@@chrisbeerad8835 I don't like to be mean man but I don't know what you're talking about there is no link to what I said we do dirt bike for fun and talking like you are I would really like to see you ride...
I’m 47 and have a Husky 450 and GasGas250 and ride my buddies 350ktm on occasion. Here’s my thoughts as a intermediate vet. Rider. If you are getting lapped by local B and C riders and middle of the pack vet dudes on 125s or 250s you have no reason to ever be on a 450. I absolutely love my 450 because it’s got custom suspension but I should never ride it. I’m faster on the 250 and can ride it all day unlike the 450 where I ride it 5-8 laps and park it. For average to above average riders, nothing beats a 250. Pick a brand and braaaaappppppp. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
well done lad's ,interesting lap times, did u say the 250 is 47hp, that is incredible,
good job max great info 👌
My CR500 is the best bike for this weekend warrior.
I will never kneel at the alter of valvetrain for my offroad racing needs!
You are the king of editing your comments. So Cringey!
Now try shifting to 2nd
Considering Ive been riding 500s for longer that either if you have been alive, I speak from experience.
@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 I'm Curious to see your Big Bore 500 collection - have you got some Vids you can share? 👍
Very good vid, I’ve ridden them all in all different makes except the 350, 250 two stroke great fun quite tiring, 250 4 strokes real nice bikes, light good handling less power than the two stroke easy to ride.
My 2016 kxf 450 very powerful, heavier, good handling, tiring, but that’s why I love mx in the first place the big power while smiling in your helmet fun is where it’s at like a fast two stroke 😎✊
The newest kx 450 is unbelievable compared to the 2016/17 models.. night and day easier to ride.
@@woodysrockspyro6436 be got a vortex ignition and run a mix of race fuel in mine, absolutely love it cos it rips 😎
I remember Adam Chatfield. He was involved in some kind of scandle a few years ago here. Something to the effect he signed up to race a series as an amateur unfairly won a truck as the grand prize as the points leader.
That's a perfect example to always live by your good morals. No one wants to be remembered as being shady
It will be good to see the difference in lap times on the 2 strokes
who says they are doing that?
Think the 350 is the next bike forsure. Not even for outright speed but just the perfect blend of flickable and power
I wonder if all of us never experienced vintage 125s would love modern bikes as much as everyone else? The problem is we enjoy old 125s more even though they lap slower. I think the problem everyone that watched Max knows too much being students of the sport
Question for the gallery in relation to the quick shifter. Is anyone actually using the clutch for upshifts? I know that I don't unless I am just rolling through the pits or something.
My bike don't have the quick shift but When I'm just out riding I don't use the clutch I just blip the throttle but when I'm racing yes I use the clutch I keep the throttle wide open grab just enough clutch to pull the next gear. I'm actually faster that way but it's hard on the clutch so if I'm just out riding around for fun I don't do that.
Good video, I have a 21.5 factory edition Husqvarna fc450 on the aggressive map it's just too much. I customized the other map to mimic a 350 and it definitely made all the difference. With the traction control on it absolutely rails ruts.
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Why not just get a 350?
@@basketball7677 350 doesn't come in a factory edition and all the goodies that entails. And you can't build one for the same price. 😉
@@troymoszer sounds hectic, but is the factory edition all wank factor?
Lil dude were you able to dial down the 450 ecu enough to mellow the power on your 21.5?
I'm in the same situation, wanted a xcf-w 350 but ktm discontinued them for '23. They now only make a 450 xcf-w. I'm VERY hesitant to get a 450. But with ecu/mapping capabilities these days maybe I can tune the power to be tamer? Thanks for your feedback.
What size are the axles? I need to know if my build wheels will fit from the old model.
Great test! Ive never owned a 350 ktm but currently have a 450 and a 250xc and have had a 250sxf. The 250sxf Definitely is the most flickable of the 4t. Lots of fun to ride. For a pure track bike i would probably split and go 350.
Question....I'm torn between 3 bikes....KTM 250 two stroke, 450 SX-F and 250 SX-F. Can you describe the 450F to the 250F. Also if you've ridden it can you compare the 250 two stroke to them....THANKS!
@@brutus6328 what type or riding do you do and what is your skill level?
My 250sxf was a really fun bike but i rode it in the woods and track and felt like i had to shift too much in the woods. The 450 or my 250xc was easier to lug and have the grunt needed.
@@TheShift1313 I'm a life long rider. I'm 50 and have had a bike since I started at 6 so lots of experience, I would say an intermediate amateur). Go to tracks for fun and trails.I'm also 210lbs so my concern is the 250F will not be enough as I've seen "bigger" rider vids (swampmoto channel) and they are all on 450's. Thanks for the reply!
@@brutus6328 im 41 and 210lbs without gear. A 250sxf will haul you around no problem. Its a bit like riding a 125 2t for me. Light and easy to manage but you have to shift more and think about the rpm a bit more. 450 is much easier to "under" ride but can bite if you arent careful. I love the 250 2t but its a lot more physical work to ride.
If i were going into a dealer for a moto only bike id probably go 250sxf. But since i ride woods and supermoto i prefer a 450 as more all around usability.
450 in the woods does well as long as its not slow tech stuff. My bike has an upgraded waterpump. Coolant recovery and a stator that can support a fan if i ever need one.
@@TheShift1313 Cool, so we're basically the same size give or take a few lbs. It's nice to hear the 250 won't lug and has the power. I'm definitely NOT looking at 450's because I'm no pro and don't race amateur and like you said, they can get away from you really fast.
All my experience is on 125's and 250 two strokes and every tester seems to say those are so much more fun to ride with that powerband. I'm so happy to hear the 250 pulls you well! Thanks so much for the help!!!
He talked about not really needing use to clutch, being in the right gear you shouldn’t need to use the clutch?
In terms of hours ridden, does the 350 go longer between being rebuild compared to the 250??
How many people can ride a big bore bike to its potential? Look at lap times on motocross 250vs 450 ask ourselves are we that good?
Is there much weight difference between the 2 and 350s when actually riding them???
Apparently no ,hardly any real actual weight difference,,, but allegedly they feel different
The 250f has good HP at 9,000rpm which unless you are a Pro Rider you won't hit that. I myself like the 350f. more power in a better area, less wear and tear on the engine.
Great ❤👏👏👏
super video excellente. @Tchoups allez faire un tour. 👌👌
what track is that??
I think I prefer the looks of the 19-22 bikes, the 23s are too blocky for me
100% agree with this I think the new bikes are ugly as hell
Damn I hated the new ktm look but it has grown on me so much
350 before I even knew the results.
How big is the test rider? I'm thinking a bigger rider would prefer the bigger bike for racing.
I haven't ridden in 18 years and i'm around 215lbs and was thinking about the 350xc. One of my concerns with the 250 is will it lug me up hills or will i have to keep it up in rpm's like a 2t.
go with the 350 and at least you wont be disappointed. weight does matter. its the traction. your weight will make the 250 not want to wheel spin those times when you want it to wheel spin.
@Bones 65...I'm about 215 as well and that is my concern too. All the bigger rider tests I've seen (swampmoto) the guys are all on 450's. I's so torn between a KTM 250 two stroke (all I've ever ridden is two strokes) or 250 SX-F or 350 SX-F
@@brutus6328 as long as your aware that the 350 power acts more revvy like a 250, not a 450, you wont be disappointed. it doesn't have quite the torque you would expect. i think the 250 power style is more fun to ride. this makes the 350 the sweet spot. more fun, more power.
for play riding its a no brainer, but for racing its confusing since we cant race against the 250"s. and that's partly why so many guys just get a 450. but keep in mind the 350 has less inertia so will feel more flickable then a 450 even though they weigh the same.
all i can say about loving the 2 stroke is... we always will. but you should at least try the 4T so you really know how it is. it will make you such a good rider... you will think less and just ride more. less vibration too. if you don't like the 4T just sell it before its over 30 hrs. it will sell.
compare the 3002T to the fastest 4T
What about if your 110kg??
what's a quick shifter?
From gears 3 to 5 doesn’t require a clutch! You need a clutch from 1 to 2 but
I'd go a 350 personally, but the exc version so I don't have to rebuild every 100 hours
The exc needs less rebuilding? Sounds nice, please explain.. Is it downtuned or something?
EXC's are way too slow man
For those on a strict budget, the 250 wins; smaller, but hangs in there with the bigger engines.
But does more frequent top ends chip away at the cost difference…
500 2 stroke! 😎🤘☠️
The 350 has always been the better bike . . . there is one other that could change everything 300SX
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and when starter gos you buy new bike
450 only...speeed and poweeerrr
Interesting that the whole bike is the same except the engine!
How similar are the '23 Husqvarna and Gasgas bikes to the KTMs? One frame to rule them all? lol
They are owned by KTM, there are slight differences like brakes, wheel/hubs, suspension and plastics colour ahahah
They are also detuned so the KTM remains the flagship. The air boxes are covered and the Gas Gas does not get any maps, has no name bars. Lots of info out on the differences.
@@Sn0w1981 Their claim is that each bike should appeal to different cliental. ie, the KTM is more the hardcore track racer, the Husky is more for the vet and older riders as it's slightly more mellow. And GasGas was designed to appeal to those who are frugal or don't have the money for a $10K bike. I'm about to buy a new '22 or '23 and I've watched all the reviews and tests, the GasGas does really well, just doesn't have all the premium parts the other do. Go watch swapmoto, Vital Mx, Racer X motocross & Supercross news, motocross action magazine. These are awesome channels that test the bikes (some dyno them) and explain the differences well.
@@Sn0w1981 Yep! And they even say in the reviews, " for the Gas Gas, just drill a hole and let more air into it so it breathes. I believe the Husky actually comes with 2 covers so they give you a vented cover. Lastly I know the rear shock springs are considered less premium than the other two. But you can get the Gas Gas for nearly $2K less !
If he exactly tryed he could do it my better,he was just having fun
Two strokes were so much better. Faster, more fun, and easier to work on!
Who ever made the new rules fully ruined motorcross 4 strokes were made unfair they are faster bikes because bigger cc and make more power than the 2 stroke models, make a 2 stroke with the same power to compete with the 250f and things would of been different
@@quavo2326 What's with all of you guys whining about four strokes?
Drop even a CR500 motor in a modern frame and try to beat people of equal skill on 450s. You'll still lose.
They still are. Just buy a 300 2stk and be happy!
tow stroke for me 4 i cant stand
The 250 is best because it is cheapest. The 250 is worst because it will need a rebuild first.
How about 4 stroke 400 cc against the 250 2 stroke, why does 4 stroke need such an advantage, it's simple, 4 strokes are a dog on equal cc s
Yea iam a 2 stroke guy, all 8 of my gokarts are Mac's, or foreign reed or rotary, and 4 strokes are dogs, we only run 135 150 or 100cc. In the early 70s my friend Jimmy Shaw was sponsored by huskavarny 250 class.
how old is this rider?
Sean will be turning 51 this year. Thanks for watching!
350f king of bikes
There are no opinions in this at all. Its a giant KTM commercial, so just a heads up before you start watching.
Thats not tge full range wheres tge 500 there biggest seller
serus racer has no choise
Second
That's easy ..Yamaha 450
I put deposit down on one just recently. Being a new bike I’m fairly keen on solid reviews before I pull the trigger. Hearing clutch issues maybe 🤔🤷🏻♂️
2 to many strokes 🤔
LMAO....100% agree! Nothing beats that power band!
Ktm 200 gang
4strokes suck allways have always will,thats why they need a double cc advantage over 2 strokes.and they sound like shit.
But for California they’re all red stickers but once in a great while will get a couple of green stickers
I’m over 200 pounds I need a 450 xcw I’m really not a big fan of the SX models