I feel like people don't really understand her...
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- Bariss Offee has quite the resume: former jedi, former terrorist, former inquistor - there's really not much that she hasn't done. Today we do a deep dive into this actually quite simple character who was forced into complexities of the political world in Star Wars.
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I think people just forget that Barris doesn't hate the Jedi. She only saw how corrupt and disillusioned the Jedi had become. She didn't want to end the Jedi. She wanted to reform the order. Her master also literally barely cared about her.
I wonder if she ever got jealous of Ahsoka. She could clearly see how much Anakin cared about her. I wonder if that in part was why she decided to frame Ahsoka vs anyone else.
"Trust is overrated"
"I think they (red lightsabers) suit me"
Barriss is barely even a character in TCW but she made it pretty clear that she wants to be a dark side user lol
@@dancingvalkyrie And how does this disprove any of my points? Lol. Also she saw the Temple attack in Episode III, she definitely didn't want the Jedi to be wiped out. The reason she bombed the temple is because she saw the disillusionment that had fallen over the order, along with the corruption. She wanted to end the Clone Wars, not start the next Jedi massacre. If she really wanted to end the Jedi she would've just ended Ashoka, she had several chances to do so. But didn't.
I'm actually amazed the Jedi didn't cover up what barriss did and put her in the dawn Temple which was a Jedi Temple located in the unknown regions where they put suspecting dark Jedi some of their own for re-education. Something which grandmaster Yoda knew about. So that sounds very culty so much so that order 66 makes more sense. You're willing to imprison your own Jedi who feel that you are too dogmatic and you're willing to re-educate them into your dogmatic ways that is culty and you deserve to order 66.
@@isimperialist Yeah that scene made zero sense because she bombed the temple and attempted to kill her own friend and then suddenly cares when shes in prison. Her character is the epitome of inconsistent
If Anakin with the Youngling Killer 9000 can be redeemed, so can Barriss Offee
Tech has been drinking the same beer for 24 hours straight.
Couldn't agree more. Barriss was characterized so well in TCW, just wish she had more screen time honestly
I made a comment on a different video about how Barriss was able to properly process her emotions due to her master's teaching. Instead of being allowed to voice her frustrations, she was told to just stop feeling it and to stuff it deep down inside her, where it fester until it blew up like a bomb (no, I did not intend for this to sound like a pun, since she literally blew up the jedi temple. I only realized it was a pun when I finished writing this.)
If you wish she had more screentime then that means she hasnt been characterized very well. Barriss turns evil offscreen because the writers didnt want to do any work
@@dancingvalkyrieI think it's a bit different, for me I can only imagine the absolute horrors she saw that turned her from the super kind nice padawon into what she eventually became and it's probably better than what they would come up with if they tried writing it
@@dancingvalkyrie General krell, quilan vos and others turned off screen...
@@JakeTheStakeNowIn3D5024 Exactly! The jedi were wrong to suppress their emotions. They should have been like qui gon, kanan jarrus, cal kestis and ahsoka to a certain degree. unfortunately more were like windu, adi mundi, yoda (he ignored his revelations), etc.
Bariss was a great foil for Ahsoka. They both thought what the Jedi Order was doing was wrong and both went about leaving it very differently.
Bariss is also a great foil for Morgan. They both had a chance to choose the correct path and went about it in opposite ways.
what Barris and Ahsoka have in common was self-sacrifice
Yes. Bothe stumbled and fell. Morgan stayed down and used her rage to make others suffer as she had. Barris got back up, and and decided to help rather than harm.
@@primecoconut4204 No. What they have in common is compassion for others. Barris sought to heal. Ahsoka seeks to protect.
Morgan chose to spread her suffering and pain to others.
Getting to know Fourth Sister/Lyn a little more was nice. I hope we see her more after this, especially if she manages to save Barriss. I don't expect her to live, though.
Barris has had time to meditate on her actions I felt she genuinely felt remorse for what she did. I think even Ashoka has forgiven her.
Luminara does come across as stern and traditional but something that struck me was that Luminara was able to admit to Ahsoka that she was wrong about Ventress, and at least Barriss was able to look fondly on Luminara in the end
I agree that Ashoka and Count Dooku were fan favorites… but I love tales as the Empire just as well. So glad there are people like you out there who can feed our hunger for all things Star Wars!
I think part that a lot of people miss is that she literally starts giving her life force away to make up for all the wrong she did whether it be the inquisitorial or everything she did with the Jedi temple. Other words she wasn’t asking for forgiveness, but she was willing to forgive others who wronged her.
She literally did the most wrong, so she has no place to be "forgiving others" who wronged her. Grow up.
@@PoinDexter47wtf are you talking about
@@PoinDexter47no, you grow up 😂
Could you please make a video on the ecosystem of Dathomir
that's not a bad idea i think ill put it down on the list
@@GenerationTech Space Austrailia with dark magic.
@@GenerationTech 😁
@@patrickwalker6698 Need me some outer rim drop bears!
Was my favorite planet in Star Wars Galaxies!
People being upset that Barriss reformed were either upset that she wasn't the Inquisitor in Rebels, or because they don't understand that people CAN reform.
But when I first saw the trailer, I knew immediately that Barriss would leave the Empire the first chance she got. And I knew that because of the bombing arc. Her entire motivation was that she feared what the Jedi were becoming. She thought they were failing to live up to their ideals, and wanted to try to force them to get better through an act of terrorism, so that they would be forced to listen. But she failed. And the darkness she sensed was growing not only overtook her, but also the Republic. And when that happened, the Jedi were nearly wiped out. But Barris wasn't a different person because of her darkness. She still cared about people and was a Jedi at heart.
Honestly, I'm surprised we didn't get a scene of her sarcastically apologizing to Ahsoka about framing her but still smugly pointing out that she was right. And Ahsoka would have forgiven her. And we know she did, as she herself aludes to in the final episode of Tales of the Empire.
Barriss was never a villain. An extremist? Perhaps. But even her extremism failed, which just goes to show how powerful Palpatine was.
So, she decided to fight the Jedi’s violence with more violence? There is no justification for what she did. She’s also undermining her own message by bombing innocent people.
@@Enigma75614 Do you honestly think anything would have changed if she just talked about it? Because I'm gonna be blunt and tell you that it wouldn't have done shit. I know a lot of people are against the idea of violence in the sake of making a message, but sometimes, violence is the ONLY thing that will solve anything or get yourself heard.
I mean, objectively speaking you'd have to say the same of the Rebel Alliance as you are to Barriss. Because both are considered terrorists. And while, sure, there's not necessairly justification for the violence they enact, sometimes there doesn't need to be. Sometimes people acknowledge that violence should never have happened but that it still had to happen.
@@DarthTingleBinksmate why make her into an inquisitor for a week or 2 and then all of a sudden feels like what she’s doing is wrong 😂😂😂
@@darwinodriscoll7750 We don't know how long she was an Inquisitor for, so that's a stupid question.
@@DarthTingleBinks Clearly her terrorist attack didn’t make an impact. No one listened to her. They just rightfully called her a terrorist. I bet you support Hamas.
Luminara is just like Mace Windu. Great, but very detached.
Even more detached than Windu imo, at least he had an unorthodox lightsaber combat style that could use his opponent's dark side against them in combat.
This was really nice to hear coming off of Star Wars Theory's angry rant about the show. I really enjoyed Tales of the Empire. I hope to get more of these types of shows.
To be fair to Luminara, while she's proven wrong about being able to handle Ventress on her own, her instincts that someone like Ahsoka needed to be standing watch on the prisoner while she did so were spot on. When Ahsoka does decide to do after her, she saves Luminara's life, but also allows the prisoner to escape and Ventress to accomplish her mission. So it's not like she was just dissing Ahsoka; there were sound tactical reasons to have Ahsoka stay there that events ultimately justified. She just underestimated Ventress's skill as a combatant.
Lyn was an interesting character as an inquisitor. Actually a back story to the inquisitor’s background would give the empire an interesting backdrop.
I feel like it's easy to hate Barriss, simply because it was Ahsoka who she chose to frame. I often wonder how things might have gone differently if she had chosen anyone else. Choosing Ahsoka was probably the worst thing she decided to do; everyone in that Temple had to have known how close Anakin and Ahsoka were. They were like a father daughter duo.
Framing Ahsoka sealed Barriss' fate before she even knew it herself. Anakin would go to the ends of the Earth for his Padawan...I wonder if that's because he wanted to be the Master to Ahsoka that Obi-Wan just never was to him.
Someone who openly cared.
Its easy to hate Barriss because she's barely even a character. Her arc is never explored to begin with
Yeah she probably would've been seen as a lot more heroic from the start if she framed someone like Pong Krell instead
I don't buy that she all of a suddenly cares about innocents when she so easily put a bomb in the Jedi Temple
I think it was just chance that she had to frame Ahsoka since she and Anakin were the ones investigating the attack so it was easier to put the connections leading to her. I don't recall there being anything said that she was always intending to set up Ahsoka and it's not like she had any influence on the council to choose them two to investigate.
@@zachattackpro4586 Well, the people working for the jedi order were not saints were they? Luke killed thousands when he destroyed the death star. (civilians and soldiers). However, what the fourth sister do was plain evil to purge a village full of civilians!
I'm glad Barris didn't stick with the Empire and left. She never wanted the destruction of the Jedi. She just wanted them to change and no longer fight in wars.
Agreed.
Allen thank you for doing what you do idk what i would do sometimes with out these videos my homelife is rough and it helps me escape
4:44 "Who's an asshole." Damn dude didn't hesitate there.
Great take, I feel the same way. You carry yourself with the presence of someone who's learned empathy for others the personal experience and strive to teach others so they can learn through wisdom instead, you really are a positive force in the fandom. We've gotta forgive people for the things they're done in the past, otherwise all we will ever do is cut each other down. I was pleasantly surprised they didn't take full blown Inquisitor route for Barris. We will get a inquisition show someday and it will be sweet but now is not that time.
i’m so glad she didn’t stick with the empire. the whole reason she “turned to the dark side” in the first place (which she didn’t even really do honestly) was to make a point against the jedi because she thought THEY turned to the dark side and fought for a republic she viewed as evil. so obviously she wasn’t going to wholeheartedly devote her entire life to a regime that publicly embraced the dark side and exemplified everything she hated about the republic. if they’d gone full inquisitor with her they would’ve need to do the leg work in making it look believable (which they wouldn’t have done)
my point exactly. barris still had morals, so all these comppaints are stupid
Bombing the Jedi temple, killing dozens of Jedi, Clones and innocent workers and than framed the whole thing on Ahsoka (her best friend) with no remorse is an interesting way of "making a point"
I'm honestly glad as well. It never would've worked. I kinda wish we saw Barriss and Ahsoka talk in this. When she mentioned an old friend you know that's Tano. So clearly they had to have met up at some point. Wonder what that convo would've looked like.
@@JuliaJuanaAlvarez Dude even Ahsoka agreed about what Barris said. She understands the "why". It's the method that is wrong. Barris used fear and death to make a point. ( which Ahsoka was sadeneend by plus she was used). But Bariss even at her lowest point was always against the dark side and the Sith. And in the end, despite her crimes she choose the light side and tried to help Lyn redeem herself.
@@JuliaJuanaAlvarez ps: which is something even Anakin did not manage to do for a Loong time.
What a fantastic video Alan (Allen? idk). This one really had me engaged and thinking. I feel like Barris in a way always knew exactly what she needed to be and how she needed to use her powers. I like how she basically became a "Witch of the Woods" in a good way. That sort of story isn't often told. Sorry if I am typing a little robotic right now I don't feel well.
When you casually called Luminara an A-Hole I had to rewind because I thought I misheard 🤣🤣 I couldn’t agree more! That was gold
This was a ride of a video, Allen. I really enjoyed the part explaining the misguided anger at Barriss not joining the empire, and comparing it to real world situations such as the atrocities in Gaza currently playing out and how it would only play further into an imperialist view of the world. This kind of nuance is why I truly enjoy your channel and why your one of the few SW creators I still enjoy watching ❤
I think Barris's story arc was excellent - she rediscovered what it *means* to be a Jedi. It's very hard and painful thing to do, but she pulled it off perfectly. I see some fools online lamenting that we didn't get to see Vader kill Barris - that would been a very cheap plot twist. That would have been bad writing. I'm glad they didn't go that way.
I remember people saying she was the Seventh Sister shown in Rebels because both are Mirialan, but they look nothing alike.
Exactly, different facial markings and slightly different skin tone
People expecting barriss to run fully evil never understood her nor her reasoning for what she did
I did understand her but it should've taken more than 1
25 episodes to redem her
Maybe because her childlike reasoning is full of holes, and is by no means grounds for a terroristic bombing. Get your head out of your ass.
@@vasyeara weakness of the format. We have no idea of the timespan between the episodes, or how many missions she had gone on between joining the Inquisitors and seeing Lyn's true colours. This was also a problem for Morgan's story. The lack of context for episode 2 made the reaction of the townsfolk seem unreasonable.
But I will make the point that more time does not automatically equal better.
@@intergalactic92 I was thinking of more time as an inquisitor would be great
If Darth Vader could be redeemed then so could Bariss.
A lot of loved characters have done far worse
You provide a powerful interpretation that most people overlook. Thank you.
This is why your my favorite star wars channel. You in depth explain characters, the lore, and not sound like whinny child.
I get the feeling this is a comment slightly targeted towards someone… 😂😂
facts
Who is ?@@Squiddy-go1du
@@Squiddy-go1du I get that feeling too lol but so true
@@Master_Ordol indeed
Thank you for this, cause Star Wars theory went on a crash out just cause he didn’t get what he wanted
he’s such an embarrassment
Stopped watching that person years ago and have since been at peace with the force.
That’s because theory is the only sw channel except a very few that are sane enough to call of shit Star Wars shows etc which a lot of fans don’t because they refuse to admit that a lot of stuff doesn’t make sense anymore
Thats because unlike the rest if u hes starting to wake up and wont juss consume any and everything star wars
Honestly, the amount of hatred Barriss' episodes have received show you what an intellectual Swamp/Cesspit and dullness of the 'Star Wars Channels' community are at large on CZcams. The use of metaphor and allegorical story telling in Tale of the Empire is outstanding. It's 2 stories woven together with one message. You can tell Filoni absolutely ADORED Barriss as a character. The treatment of her in Tales of the Empire is done with absolute tenderness, it is tragic, beautiful. Absolutely Heartbreaking... I WEPT and felt totally exhausted after watching it. That is a rare gift from a storyteller. That is Mastery! Tales of the Empire and specifically Barriss' story is the best content Lucasfilm has put out in YEARS! The last time an animated film left me feeling so utterly emotionally spent was the first time I saw Studio Ghibli's Grave of the Fireflies.
I think Barris was an idealist who went to extreme lengths to achieve an idealised goal. I think she was naive and definitely radicalised during TCW, but after joining The Inquisitors quickly realised they were no better than the the corruption she opposed within the Jedi. I appreciate that her character stayed true to her moral core but showed growth/ development and also atonement for her past actions. Tales of the Empire made me like her character more, seeing it from her perspective and it showed she wasn't an innately bad person... Something Star Wars epitomises.
Luminara may have been cold, but she never tried to ruin the life of her best friend by making sure Ahsoka was falsely accused of the terrorist crimes Unduli had herself committed.
Such an amazing summary! Keep up the great work! Love your channel!
Dude u are so so so so so good at making videos, thankful for u man
What you're doing here with your channel is a very good thing. The world is a little better for having your perspective added to it.
Thanks for this video Allen, it helped me understand Barris more and like the mini series better as a result
Barris was always too idealistic for the Inquisitors. Her anger was more specific and focused at the Jedi Council's policies regarding the war and politics. It never developed into the kind of hatred for the institution that other Inquisitors harbored, as she was able to separate her attitudes towards the rank and file Jedi, who were being led astray like she was, from the ruling Council who were the ones in charge. Once she learned the Council was gone and the war was over, she had little reason to be angry or to let her anger fester into hatred. In the end, the cruelty of the Inquisitors clashed with her idealism, and having gone through that training, she understood better than most that a lot of the Jedi who joined the Inquisitors purely did so out of fear for their own survival, that whatever hatred they spat out for the Jedi was just a mask to cover up their fear of being cut down by Vader.
I love your channel
The amount of lore and how you break it all down. I have a hard time remembering all of the events and characters…..
However I do hate the Disney sequel movies. But I love Filoni’s work on the shows and hope he can unite the divisive fandom. I don’t need my fandom to turn into real life politics
Thank you GT! That was a deep analysis about Barris arc and agree with you on every word you said. Sometimes I ask myself if SW Theory does his SW homework before he criticizes a complex character like Barris.
I really found her story beautiful. She was a critical spirit, found the flaws in both the Jedi/Republic and the Sith/Empire and she sacrificed herself to make the universe a little bit better.
I really do think that people just don't understand Star Wars... This video is a perfect example of a (mild) deconstruction of how Disney SW is actually trying to answer those deep questions that KotOR II asked, albeit with many, many changes with internal company conflict being a major factor.
That's a great analogy. Tales of the Empire requires a some unpacking and reflective thinking. It is an allegorical cautionary tale through metaphor. People, though, just want spectacle and extravaganza. Tales of the Empire are not that at all.
Great video GenTech, I'm glad Barriss got more to her story. I just wish Luminara was seen somewhere.
You called Master Luminara an asshole.. and thus I am now subscribed to your channel.
I feel so validated.
Barriss was a healer, she was always a healer, she never should have been put in the Clone Wars, i actually loved Barriss's arc in this, though i honestly wish that it had been longer.
I never for one moment pictured Barriss falling to the dark side or becoming an inquisitor, because at the core of herself she wanted to help people, she wanted to protect people, her being a pacifist healer in the end of her arc was perfect for her, it's what she always should have been allowed to be.
And for Barriss having Luminara as a master and having it basically programmed into her head what a jedi is supposed to be.. of course when the jedi go against that when she's already struggling with the violence she's going to crack..
And she regretted it, then she was afraid when Ahsoka got involved, then she lashed out, then she regretted it more.. and so on..
Because she was falling, and because the dark side turns a person into a mockery of themselves who basically goes down a path of being everything that they stood against previously.. it's probably because Barriss was such a fundamentally good person that her fall was so viciously dark..
I think her being in prison and having time to reflect and seeing what had become of the galaxy made her inherent desire to help and to protect people rise immediately back to the surface, because the Empire is everything she hated about the Jedi and the Republic taken to its most extreme possible conclusion..
Her storyline is very much appropriate for her, really at the end I feel like she is finally embracing who she is as a person, the one who wanted to help everyone and wanted everyone to be ok, who really just wanted to help people.
I don't think Barriss was misvharacterized in TotE. She was never really into the dark side. I also never hated her.
But I do think her story could've been handeled better. Unlike in case of Dooku, Ahsoka or Morgan where we had the whole context, this is literally the first time we ever see anything about Barriss after the Clone Wars. The whole story was kinda skimmed over & therefore underwhelming.
She got a raw deal having Luminara as a master. Hope we get more from her
I actually quite liked the contrast of Morgan and Barriss path in "Tales of the Empire".
Morgan, who embraced the darkness, bitterness and hatred to avenge the loss of her own people; and Barriss, who charted a path through the Dark and overcame it. Barriss wasn't inherently bad - she was a Healer with compassion - but the Clone Wars and being a young soldier messed everyone up.
I just wondered WHO "the Friend" was that the family was going to see. Could it have been Ahsoka & that is how Barriss found redemption and peace? If so, it could imply some reconciliation between them. 🤔 [Admittedly, it is some bridge to rebuild].
I hope she survived, but as we have seen, one lightsabre thrust to the chest doesn't have to be fatal any longer! 😜
I did think that it could be Ahsoka who Barriss was referring to, it's a popular belief
@@TopGunSGA - With Dave Filoni, it is a distinct probability.
@@TopGunSGA i doubt its ashoka, she doesn't know that ahsoka is alive and she betrayed her to the point of framing her and would result in her going to prison or worse.
Even if she did contact ashoka it would be a massive wtf if ashoka were to forgive her for what she caused her and the shit she made ashoka go through.
@@MNM-lq9te we'll have to wait and see
@@ElMaestroGordoThe old friend is a woman. "Do starej przyjaciółki. Będzie wiedziała co robić". Check Polish dubbing or other gendered languages of that scene.
Show was really nice with rich storytelling and interesting/very enjoyable scenes. I only wish it was longer. It would have been nice to have a full length 10+ episode arc surround barriss and maybe 4 or 5 episodes for Elsbeth
mic fixed thank god
I love the Ender Wiggin refference. So much wisdom in this quote.
Great Video!
I read her books Jedi healers and it explains her stance
i really hope all the tales continue jedi and empire and continue to give us an interesting view of things behind the scenes
Love how you keep that love energy of Star Wars alive 🙏
A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward.
Thanks Stannis.
Hey you fixed the mic issue from the last video 👍🏽
Was really hoping it was Vader coming over the rim coming for Bariss. He wouldn't want anyone taking any of the redemption credits he was saving! ;)
All the people crying because they wanted to see her go full dark side didnt understand her character and it shows. But her arc was beautiful and she has proven to be worthy of redemption. People especially complained about her death but i loved it, she sacrificed herself to bring her friend back into the light thats the most Jedi thing ever
There was a story to be told about Barriss Offee
*Spoiler*⚠️
I believe Barriss had the right idea, but the absolutely wrong solution. Her betrayal to Ahsoka was the biggest mistake of her life, especially when she embraced those red lightsabers.
I believe she felt and showed remorse when she felt the deaths of the Jedi during Order 66. Especially when one of the Inquisitors she knew (Lyn) just slaughter all those people without hesitation, that was just as shocking as to what Vader did.
But when Bariss really showed development when she stopped Lyn from killing her and almost letting that Jedi die that's when her redemption began and then they show her years later that she's a better person now and had become a master, that to me was amazing cause they're saying she came a long way.
I love that Barriss saved that family and her apprentices' lives and showed compassion for Lyn, and Lyn's remorse showed when she stabbed Barriss realizing she was the only Jedi she met that showed hope, love, and kindness for her.
I'm so glad that you gave this take. I'm tired of people who don't like Star Wars anymore because Disney screwed some things up, and don't give the benefit of the doubt. Thank you for being different
Bravo. Well said
I love your videos
You’ve give me a new and interesting perspective on Barriss that I hadn’t considered before, I feel that Luminara gets a bad rap though.
Though criticisms of her strictness to the Jedi code/general Jedi inflexibility and her lack of attachment is very valid, my take is that she simply doesn’t fear death and allows the force to guide her (there’s no need for physical attachment with the understanding that the physical world isn’t the be all and end all of things) as well as utilising tried and tested procedure, rather necessarily making bad decisions. It’s easy to judge her decisions (and the Jedi in general) in hindsight, but her decisions in regards to fulfilling her duty and what she was presented with were pretty logical. eg. The mission to escort Nute Gunray that you mentioned, she didn’t see Ahsoka being able to hold her own, Ahsoka had been defeated and locked in a prison. Given that they needed to both guard Nute and stop Ventress, that Ahsoka was unsuccessful at stopping Ventress, and that Luminara was the most experienced, it made the most sense to split up rather than leaving one objective unmonitored or risking a recently defeated Padawan in re-engaging a highly trained assassin.
I appreciate that we're getting more stories of people who turned back from the Dark Side because Vader made it feel so impossible when his story was all we had. I did always want a story where Slick helped her escape during Order 66 somehow, but never had much of a reason why or where they would go. But this does feel in line for her, and that she would be another person who escaped the dogma and indoctrination of the Jedi and chose to use her powers her way for what she viewed as a good life instead of in service to anyone who saw her as a tool or a piece of a machine
It's a good thing I don't follow the general fan base and just enjoy the content.
It is a fine set of shorts that flesh out the characters and is very interesting.
10:02 dude, I’d want to be in the explorer corps. That’s basically Starfleet where you go and push back the map.
Everyone who thinks her character just got ruined should go read her original character in the two Medstar books. Tales of the empire REDEEMED Baris' original arc.
I think the basic problem is actually an inherent weakness of combining the triptych method of story telling with episodes that aren't long enough, it can work beautifully when you have all the needed context but it quickly falls apart when you don't.
I still haven't watched the Morgan Elsbeth arc, but from my perspective what made the the arcs from the first season superior is all of the work that the clone wars, and rebels in for Asoka, put in for these characters. Seeing the series of moments that led to Duku's fall is natively satisfying because we already knew his fate and have had enough screen time with the man he would become, similarly the episodes dealing with Asoka during and immediately after the clone wars bookends well with all the context we already have for the charterer to tell a complete story and then again seeing her both trying to just disappear and then choosing to become Fulcrum works because of rebels(and might have left a bad taste in everyones mouth if she had not been established as Fulcrum in Rebels). Conversely Barris'es story starts out really strong showing her during order 66, we know this character and we have context, and then we see her start to go through inquisitor training. Then on what I assume is her first mission she tries to take out her overseer and disappears which feels rushed. Then finally we see her going from 20(?) to what looks to be 40 with zero context for anything between points A and B, for how she went from not being able to land a hit on the unarmed grand inquisitor to being able to do the same thing against an opponent who was presumably more skilled at combat than Barris had been when she was being training with the grand inquisitor. In short Barris'es story is a sequel with a strong introduction but that rushes through the first act skips the second and then skips enough time and context to spoil the third act (which as an episode out of context was well written and well passed). If for instance they had taken a little more time with act 1, had her do enough with the inquisition to constitute an act 2 and then finished with her going into hiding to become that healer you would have had a stronger 3 act structure and instead of preaching to Lyn she could have had to learn those things for herself before choosing to leave.
The finniest part about Bariss is that she was right about the Jedi but her actions had major consequences. Most people (like me) have disdain for her because she betrayed Ahsoka and almost caused her to be effectively executed.
Yeah you know what this changed my view on the Barriss episodes I actually see what your talking about and see myself agreeing with it
you do make a good point
I’d be a lot more willing to accept her redemption arc if it happened over the course of an entire show and we actually saw her go through tragedy. People keep saying that she’s a tragic character, but they never showed us that.
Honestly I feel like that’s because the clone wars was cancelled so prematurely
12:20 I also think that. Have the Separatists use a droid army so the Jedi will be more willing to fight than they would against organic soldiers, or especially conscripts. But (and here's where the evil comes in), have the clones fight alongside the Jedi, so they're still being bombarded with fear and pain and anger as long as they're on the front lines. Just little bits of darkness, wearing them down over time. Until they finally snap, like Barriss. Or Krell. Or Anakin.
Very Nice
It’s a shame that Barriss didn’t kept her double-bladed lightsaber and purified the crystals inside. It would’ve been interesting seeing spinning white colored blades
She isn't capable of having a white saber.
She hastily judged the jedi without coming to an understanding of the Sith.
If you understood the Sith, you'd understand the Jedi's dogmatic views. They're not perfect, and that's what the Jedi masters knew well. There is no perfect way.
Only the sith deal in absolutes, believing in a misguided idea of perfection.
Barris chose to turn in on herself and her order. The only way for her to repent is to accept a life of imprisonment. Anything less means she is still evil.
On one hand, that would have been cool. On the other, I feel like that would have defeated her arc
@@JeremvyShe is capable of having a white lightsaber. A white blade is created by cleansing/healing a bled (corrupted) crystal. Between the 5th and 6th episodes, Offee has spent years as a healer. She is more than capable of purifying a crystal at that point. She, like Ezra Bridger, has moved beyond needing a weapon.
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It doesn’t matter what argument you make for why Barris acted the way she did in TCW or what motivations she may have had; this “show” did not do her any justice and only hurt her character while providing no benefit whatsoever.
You know what I was perfectly satisfied with it and I'm glad we got to see what happened to her. But a lot of other critics like Star wars theory they just ripped on the series for no good reason That's why I like you man You're honest.
Those who say that she'd be redeemed because of her reasoning (the Jedi going down a path of self-destruction) forget about Count Dooku who collaborated with the Sith for the same reason, also killed people and tried to cover the tracks leading to him, and he also regretted his actions afterwards. But the thing is, once you've gone down a dark path you simply would not feel like you deserve to go back (and deep inside you wouldn't want it because of the "power") .
Besides, with all the villains turning to the good side, how about we finally have another tragic villain and a dark ending? It's been a long time.
By the time Dooku started covering his tracks by killing his friends, he had long been accustomed to "regretful, but necessary, killing and violence. He had left the order over 10 years before killing Yaddle and Sifo Dyas. Offee doesn't have that experience. She was still uncomfortable with unnecessary violence and killing. That's why she was able to reject the dark side. She was shocked out of it. Unlike Lyn and Anakin, she never got to the point where she reveled in killing. Anakin had the Tuskens and Separatist Council for that. Lyn had the villagers (and that probably wasn't her first massacre either). Barriss simply had not waded deeply enough into the dark side to embrace it when she saw its true fruits. While she had started down a dark path, she hadn't traveled so far down that path that she was trapped on it.
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Endor's Game.... That was a favorite book of mine for a long time, and had I not read other books by Orson Scott Card, it would have stayed that way. In fact, a lot of this author's single books, or the beginnings of series are indeed excellent..... until he can't hide the toxic influence of mormonism any more.... I have a lot more patience for C. S. Lewis's catholicism - his books are simply so much better. And that is indeed a fine quote.
- I like your take on Baris.
Hoping to see Baris in Ashoka season 2
Fans had different expectations , and I do still love her character and am excited for this.
After finding her the first thing Anakin does is "hugging" Ahsoka.
Luminara is detached. I do not know, little detail I noticed.
Beside, given the stories, it is clear who is actually the superior teacher.
The big disappointment of the Barriss Offee ark is the realization we aren't going to get the rematch between Ahsoka and Barriss. Her story in Clone Wars was a great set up for a villain's backstory. And now we are being robbed of that.
also Generations tech Please tell me when do you think you can make more Star Wars? What if alternate scenarios. You once did it, so why not now? Also, do you believe Boba and Omega are gonna cross paths sometime in another live action TV show or animation? Because we all want to see it happen.
Bariss isn't evil, just complex.
I think my main problem with the arc is that it's not really enough time dedicated to justify her redemption. Idc that she's redeemed, I care that she's actually shown to be redeemed. We don't really get a lot of time here, and while we can wager through very short dialogue that she regrets some of her actions, nothing really about her redemption calls back to it.
Would've been nice to have a 5-10 full length episode season dedicated to her fall and rise again from that dark place. Rather than what we got.
Wishful thinking sure, and I'm still glad we got it, but it's very disjointed on a storytelling standpoint. Or, maybe less disjointed, and more rushed. Either way, still happy to see Barriss again, but there's a lot of issues in her story to me.
I said this myself in my video. I don’t think Barriss was ever completely evil and didn’t want the Jedi order to die. She just didn’t like the war and what the Jedi had become.
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Exactly. She wasn’t evil, she was misled, misguided and confused just like Anakin.
@@greedokenobi3855 Ahhhh yes, the teenager's reasoning & justification... classic. Totally justifies all those clones & jedi she killed at the Temple, huh?
@@greedokenobi3855She bombed the temple killing civilians, clones and fellow jedi and was going to let her “friend” take the fall for it and be executed wtf do u mean she is not evil bro😂
@@PoinDexter47 Typical teenager’s response. I never said it was justified. Don’t add imaginary statements to my comment just because you lack comprehension skills.
Tldr, she hates the systemic issues of the jedi, not the symbolic nature of the jedi.
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1:51 yay im not the only one who read that book
What I don't understand is why nobody dies from lightsaber wounds anymore
Can you tell me more about these extended warranties?
I feel like some frustration stems from dissatisfaction with portrayal of “bad guy,” or evil, protagonists. And lately, I’ve begun to think that the dissatisfaction is not because of poor writing, but rather because it’s really hard to sell a compelling bad guy.
To make any character compelling, they need dimensions, they need nuance, they need justifications for their actions. And this is hard to do for an evil character without either redeeming them or justifying their actions. It risks turning most villains into tragic villains or penitents, which limits variety.
Take Palpatine, for example. He is the literal devil of the Star Wars universe. He’s purely and unapologetically evil. But if we tried to make a story revolving 100% around him, how would we make him an engaging main protagonist? Give him a tragic upbringing and an abusive family? Well, that kinda makes him less evil and more just a scarred human, which detracts from the purpose of his entire existence in Star Wars. Now you feel sympathy for the psychopath who’s committing genocide and torturing innocent people.
So what if we just don’t do that and just keep him evil? Well, now he’s not relatable, so he’s not really an engaging protagonist. At least, I hope you don’t relate to a purely evil villain…
There is and always will be room for tragic villains, redemption arcs, and other nuanced villains in the world of fiction. But sometimes, you really just need the bad guy to be bad and nothing else.
Ahsoka forcepushing Ventress into a tube was surprisingly funny
Hawkey Pierce in Mash also went insane, because of war.