Why Create Female Clones?
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- The Bad Batch introduced to us to the first two female Fett clones Omega and Emerie Karr, today we take a look at why the Kaminoans would deliberately clone females.
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Didnt Luke get his Power from his farther
What are you guys talking about? Are you both even talking about the same thing?
I'm very confused. 🤔
@@BugRibone is talking about clones and the other one is talking about idk💀
Welcome to feeling old. One day I was cool then I woke up and zoom zooms ran the world.
@@smartass0124first technically yes but at the same time the force made him be a new chosen one also why did you mention this?
Kaminoans harvesting Emerie Karr’s eggs is crazy 💀
imma be real, when we still believed in the "unaltered clone"-thing i thought they were just streightup gonna harvest Omega's eggs. Clone Wars and Bad Batch are sort of a little iffy on the timelines; always feels like the war lasted two or three times it actually did so i'm not necessarily against the idea that she was a fail safe plan in case / after Jango died. We know they were running out of his genetic material (how's that even happen, did nobody pack Fett's body?) and they were pretty convinced the clone contract would keep going. Sooooo what'cha do, clone a clone? Nah. You clone a female version *once* and get some stable genetics down the line.
Well that or Jango was a transman but Disney would never go for that.
@@RotalHenricssonI mean, I sort of figure that those were what Lamu Su was after.
@@RotalHenricsson Boba buried Jango's body on geonosis
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So the clones are siblings and parents of each other
I don't have a genetics background, but my initial assumption based on what we know of lore so far is that female clones are just an accident that happens sometimes as the kaminoans figure out how humans work. Omega and Emmerrie are still around since Nala Se and Doctor Hemlock pulled them aside to work as lab assistants, but the rest...
Considering the kaminoans would kill off entire batches for simply having the wrong hair or eye color, they'd probably do the same for clones of the wrong sex and not think any further. They'd probably see additional female clones as imperfect products in need of purging in the growth chambers.
Well, they would have had to have deliberately put together two X chromosomes.
Control groups are useful to compare results.
@@Himmiefan
genetic males with androgen insensitivity syndrome develop in the womb as female, their anatomically female but completely sterile.
@@Himmiefan Not necessarily. one can imagine a technological error or genetic fluke that would result in degredation of the Y chromosome and duplication of the X instead. Genetic processes aren't perfect, and technologically-driven ones even less so.
@jokester3076 that's when certain chemicals cannot be read but the system continues to develop. They are not women they are males in the shell of a woman. They continue to have all male sex cell production parts. They don't work, of course, but they are still there.
The Kaminoans were extremely confident in their idea of perfection. They didn’t see a need to contact the client for feedback or quality checks because, in the Kaminoans’ mind, whatever they produced would be the best.
I also believe they do knew that the republic would need the army once they matured hence why they got tasked with it and not another cloning contractor.
It could have been a clause in the contract to not involve anyone until x amount of units where ready to be deployed.
The Kaminoans were probably informed that this was hush hush and that it would be politically difficult to procure an army for the Republic until the conflict escalates. However the Kaminoans did say they were getting worried of not hearing back from anyone in such a long time.
man this is kinda uncomfortable to think about especially the egg harvesting thing i always assumed they were just artificial
It is an uncomfortable truth that when you break a human down to just the basics, you're just sort of left with this reproductive ability. Not a fun idea
A cell is a self-replicating nanobot. Star Wars is advanced, but they're not advanced enough to do that artificially. It would make more sense that they could make eggs replicate, but why would a really insular race know how to do that with eggs of another species?
@@DanielLCarrierStudy. For science.
The Kaminoans most definitely are not using donor eggs. Not only would the donor's genome interfere with the Fett DNA, female Fett clone donor eggs would replicate the Fett DNA causing massive problems. DNA going through this process would turn beneficial parts of the DNA into detrimental expressions. It's essentially super-incest.
The problem is that you're applying real life "cloning" strategies to the science fiction of true cloning. More than likely the Kaminoans are working directly with DNA through artificial neutral templates than following sexual reproduction like our scientists have done.
@@DanielLCarrier eggs are not like standard cells. eggs are specialized cells that lack the ability to duplicate. they aren't designed to do that. they also only contain half of the necessary genetic data. women are literally born with all the eggs they will ever have.
more over they are likely removing the genetic data from the nucleus of the cell and substituting it with the cloned dna from Jango and just using the eggs for its cellular machinery. otherwise you could not ensure an exact genetic clone. the process that produces eggs and sperm randomizes the genetic material. thus getting a child that is an exact clone of jango would extremely dependent on luck. just considering a single chromosome pair you could produce 3 different combinations. now multiple that across another 21 chromosomes and the number of potential variants from the original sky rocket.
Worst thing the Kaminoins did was trust that the army they made would not be used against them. They 100% seem like a race to have a back up plan. Either a backup army or a order in the clones to nerve turn against them
Don't forget how far ahead Palpatine was constantly. He played chess while everyone else played checkers. They did have a plan to defend themselves against that exact thing but it was changed secretly under their noses.
Technically the kaminoins did have an army to fight against the empire but there plan failed
In Legends the Kaminoans had a secret Clone Army hidden from Palpatine just in case. Inhibitors Chips weren't a thing back then but the behavioral programing to make the Clones obey orders like 66 was implemented and the ones who served the Republic grow to be loyal to Palpatine. I would have like the Clone Rebellion from Legends in Canon since how everything played out make the Kaminoans look like complete fools to blindly trust Sidious, even after the death of Dooku.
@@Cysco8575 Oh, many know of the clone rebellion but they could have done more
I have a wild theory: Omega isn’t force sensitive or at least not enough to use the traditional Jedi abilities. However, her M-count doesn’t degrade which I believe they said that the other clone’s M-count does. Therefore, they want to find Omega to replicate this so that Palpatine’s clones will have a consistent M-count. After all, Asajj Ventress did say that Omega isn’t force sensitive.
Not that wild from the wording used in the bad batch implied that Omega has the exact same M count as Jango
That's not a wild theory at all
I mean, wouldn't this also apply to Boba as well, considering he's biologically Jango 2.0?
@@reiatsumata6818 probably but isn’t he thought to be dead since he got shot in the head by Cad Bane? Or maybe Omega is the first and so far only clone that doesn’t have a degrading M-count, like how Alan suggested that it is specific to the female genome.
Imagine if Palpatines clones are female for just this reason but look like males!
@@theoleivald7388 I, that's, trans Palpetine?
I just figure Emerie and Omega were made female in order to hide the fact that they were clones. With Omega, they took the extra step of altering her hair color, so the Kaminoans really wanted to hide her, probably because they were experimenting with Jango's DNA in ways he didn't agree to, and they probably didn't want the Republic to know about all their experiments either.
Omega, who is pretty perceptive and observant, had to be told Emerie was a clone. Tech was the only one to realize Omega was a clone. But yeah, it's also possible they harvested Emerie's eggs, which creates an odd family dynamic here.
Would that make omega A selfcest clone if she's made from a maple and female clone already?
Aren't all fetus's female? All they did was keep the process that makes the female into a male from happening.
I think Emory Carr was a test to see if you can clone a female. Or maybe to create another Omega but with accelerated aging
Yeah, Emerie and Omega were tests to see how creating female clones would work. Emerie was just further modified
One or both of them being female could also be from a simple random mutation. For example, a mutation which messes up the androgen receptor gene will result in a an individual with XY chromosomes but female typical physiology (androgen insensitivity syndrome).
It isn't particularly uncommon. Something like 1 out of 20K of humans IRL are born with a random mutation causing androgen insensitivity syndrome.
Regarding the segment that starts at 8:36, it's really incredible how confident people can be when they espouse a theory that's explicitly contradicted by the actual lore. In "Identity Crisis", Dr. Hemlock clearly explains that the goal of Project Necromancer was to create a Clone whose blood could absorb Midiclorians from blood drawn from force-sensitives. Like; the show explicitly calls it M-count *transfer* and *not* M-count cloning.
This is in keeping with established Star Wars lore (both Legends and current) that force-sensitivity is not a clone-able trait and an ingenious work around.
Palps should know better, since in legends darth plagueis made similar Experiments, with the result that newly added midichlorians simply died off when added into another individuals bloodstream. And Palps knew about this, since he had access to Plagueis' notes as we can see in the in the book of the Sith.
@@biggsdarklighter0473
Agreed, but what if this is another reason he’s attached to that mechanical arm in The Rise of Skywalker, cause he constantly needs blood transfusions to repeatedly infuse his now-cloned body with midichlorians from other force sensitive donors?
@@biggsdarklighter0473I think the implication is that female clones process midicblorians differently than male clones, hence why Omega is stable and why Rey is so powerful
@@carlycrays2831Rey is not a clone though
@@xSoulhunterDKx Yes, but is also the daughter of a clone, and I honestly don't know of canon or Legends gave us an explanation on how that would effect the Force
To be fair, i think the kaminoans got feedback from ‘jedi master tyrannus’ and jango fett who could act as a middle man
Oh definitely would Jango look over the project. I mean he has his own son that lives there so
"Ko-Sai, the Aiwha bait." - Kal Skirata probably after this video came out.
I'm under the impression that Emerie Karr was a precursor to Omega. Emerie was supposed to be the test to see if Jango Fett's DNA could hold a stable M-count to be transferred, I'd assume that they gave Emerie accelerated growth to see if that would have an effect on the quality of her M-count (like maybe to test if the stability of the M-count would be affected by puberty and if that doner could continue being effective after adulthood).
Emerie was most likely a failure when it came to what Nala Se was trying to accomplish but she took what she learned from Emerie and perfected the process with Omega which is why Nala Se designated Omega the "template" for future clone troopers once Jango's DNA was completely diminished- labeling Omega would be a good cover for what her purpose really was. Emerie was discarded to work as a scientist as the Kaminoans wouldn't have let her be a soldier even if that's what she wanted and I think that why it feels like she has a little resentment against Nala Se and why she holds Dr. Hemlock in such high regard. while Emerie was developing, Nala Se most likely treated her just as she treated Omega and when Emerie could no longer be useful to what Nala Se was trying to accomplish she was discarded and I think that's another reason why Emerie started out very distant as she was treated like an experiment and thrown away when she didn't meet expectations.
This is basically the impression that I got from the show, too. At the very start of the show, Nala Se says that five (Omega and the original Batch) are "all that remain" of her enhanced clones. She likely made lots of others, but they were the only ones whose enhancements worked, so they were the only ones that survived. Emerie being "discarded" may have even meant she was supposed to die, but Hemlock saved her at some point while working with Nala Se, since it is implied that Hemlock and Nala Se have some kind of professional history together.
Darth Plagueis the Wise would have loved to collaborate with Nala Se
Chat what did he mean by this
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Cough cough *anakin skywalker*
Female clones could be due to simple random (unintentional) mutations. IRL, human are born with a few dozen de novo mutations, something like 42 on average.
There are several ways individuals with XY chromosomes can develop into females. For example, androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) is relatively simple... lots of different mutations in the androgen receptor gene can break it, so that ends up being fairly common (around 1/20K humans).
You would also get some random variation in the chromosome counts. This happens IRL too, for example Down's Syndrome is usually caused by getting 3 copies of chromosome 21. There are folks in our world with a single X chromsome, XX, XY, XXY, ect. Turner syndrome (a single X chromosome) can have symptoms so mild that folks live their whole lives without noticing they have it.
Of course, the cloning process in SW could increase the chances of random mutations and make it even more common.
Then there is the whole developmental process. Early in development, lots of genes and pathways are flipping on and off, often depending on particulars of the environment. There are tons of ways things can not go 'typically'. And different secondary sexual characteristics develop at different times.
On the M-counts thing... There is no "female only genome"... well, sort of. Mitochondria (the things in cells which make ATP molecules) have their own genomes and are inherited from the egg (with very rare exceptions). Other than making ATP, mitochondria really don't do much else though. Maybe in SW, the 'midichlorians' are organelles which have their own genomes too... It seems likely that Lucas was stealing/riffing off of Madeleine L'Engle's "A Wrinkle in Time" (1962) where mitochondria have basically magical properties. If that is the case, then they would be (mostly) maternally inherited (or from the egg when cloning).
ETA: Apologies for the pedantic wall of text... I'm a biologist and hopefully educational info dumping sort of part of the job description ;)
Could have also been that Omega was intentional, Emerie was not.
Jengo Fett asked for an unaltered clone as payment since he wanted a child. He might have ASSUMED the clone would be male. He didn't expect the Kaminoans to show off and create an option: Boy (Boba) OR Girl (Omega). Jengo picked the boy ... Nala Se chose to take the girl (heck, she may technically be Boba and Omega's mother/creator, hence her own investment in Omega).
As for Emerie .... the cloning project was massive. IF you think about semi-conductor industry where you can produce millions of a chip resistor or chip capacitor, you want like only 1 or 2 defects per million. Any more, and you have a problem.
In cloning Jengo Fett, if this was their first time cloning humans AND on this scale ... there is a chance that there may have been spontaneous "errors" that led to defects, such as Clone 99 (negatively). The mutation into a female may have been 1 n 10000, 100000 or 1000000 ... and as the project progressed, that particular error may have been phased out as the Kaminoans became more familiar with the Human and Fett sample. Similarly, the accelerated aging may have only been intended for male Fett clones, so any female clones that were created ... might have simply not survived the process. Either way, Emerie was lucky to have survived.
The Kaminoans could have also created several dozen female clones in the first batch of clones. Unlike their male counterparts, the females may have had higher aptitudes for non-combat roles. But in order to fulfill the intent of the original order, the Kaminoans proceeded with the females in combat training ... and something along the lines of an accident or incident nearly wiped out the female clone troopers. Emerie and a few others may have been sole survivors at a very young age (especially if she was part of a second batch.) and all of them were shifted to support or research roles. Of course, with the horrible attrition of war, the female Fett clones were thrust into combat (combat medics, nurses, doctors, etc) even though there were so few of them. But ships were destroyed, transport craft and fighters lost, and planets fell to the Confederation. Emerie might not have seen any of her remaining sisters since before the war ... and she wouldn't see them once the war ended. This might have been one more reason why Dr. Hemlock took her in ... as much as she had the Fett dedication to getting things done ... she was a novelty or a last of her kind/model.
Right, except making it a girl is altering it.
I saw a story about two baby girls who were made in a lab using CRISPR and how they were given immunity against various diseases, but their estimated lifespan is 50 years.
you taking about the incident in china, two girls got CRISPR genes that made them pretty much HIV resistant.
The doctor who did that got the hammer slammed down on him by not only the international science community, even the CCP though he was absolutely reckless with what he did, got his lience revoked and prison time
That's highly exaggerated rumour. They were not created using crispr. They were edited....supposedly to reduce chance of them contracting HIV from their parents. The scientist was imprisoned as it was germ line editing. As in their genetic alterations will be passed to their children
The girls you are thinking of are known by pseudonyms Lulu and Nana. He Jiankui was a researcher who, illegally, made germline genetic mutations to existing embryos using CRISPR which supposedly makes them resistant to HIV. This is a mutation which can occur naturally in some populations. The embryos were then implanted into a woman who gave birth to the twins. I wouldn't say they were "made in a lab" more than any other baby conceived through IVF and there is, as far as I'm aware, no reason to believe their lifespans will be effected.
The point is further emphasised in omega having blond hair, which would indicate that Jango naturally can have blond offspring with someone else with the recessive gene for that colour. So omega lacks the gene Jango had for his trademark dark hair as a result she is bb instead of Bb, which i am sure people that took biology at school recognise.
5:15 A viable alternative is that the Sith were communicating with the Kaminoans, and made the message appear to be authentic from the Jedi Temple and/or the Senate. It would entirely fit with everything else we know about them
Didn't we see them communicating with Count Dooku in one episode of the Clone Wars.
If you're gonna be meddling with genes in cloning, being able to change the clone's sex without otherwise altering any attributes might be a good benchmark for how deeply you can fine tune the product.
It could also be useful to have a set of women clones for undercover operations on certain planets. I imagine there are quite a few matriarcal societies in the galaxy that a female clone would have an easier time infiltrating than a male one, especially if you kept the female clones secret.
@@swedishviking9124tactically speaking, this is the best explanation I have seen so far. A recon and potentially deep cover unit.
@@swedishviking9124You would just hire a mercenary in that case. No need to waste money on an entire additional project including training and armor, etc. What probably happened is that Star Wars writing team wanted to have a female clone because of the patriarchy blah blah blah.
Love the Thumbnail! Such a unique, creative, and brilliant way to convay the meaning of this video!
If there’s one thing I know about groups of men, it is that if they have someone to call sister, they will do everything they can to protect said sister. Just look at the Bad Batch as an example. Making female clones might have been an experiment to see how much more the male clones would fight to protect their new sisters.
Humans do seem to have a natural 'chivalry' built-in where they become protective of each other. We already somewhat see this in the brotherly relationships between clones but this guardian instinct would be many times more powerful if there was someone perceived as weaker (regardless of whether or not they actually are) that would serve as a focus and motivating factor.
However, given how alien that Kaminoan mindset is compared to baseline humanity, they likely struggled severely with this concept if they ever tried to implement it at all.
@@kylepessell1350could have seen it with older clones with the younger clones, and got curious about it.
I don't think they would if they understand genetics this well they'd have an intimate understand of human instincts such as our disproportionate inclination to empathize and protect females of our species (which is a problem in the modern age now but that's another issue) it's perfectly logically understandable why a mammalian sexually dymorphic species like humans would protect there females who are the bottleneck for reproduction. You can lose most of your males then reproduce the whole population in a single generation. In real life genetic research looking out our ancestry there was a point where the reproductive average was 1 male to 17 females most like that tribe lost most of it's males to war or hunting or something.
Cause the Emperor needs his Sisters of Battle, duh.
Or, the Emperor is actually trans, lol. After all, he didn't seem very distraught over the idea of taking Rey's body.
@@nissutobor9078 Given how he gets off of Force Lightning i would actually totally believe that he gets his jellies no matter what equipment he has, and since everyone is beneath him anyway it don't matter what he looks like. Shit, Fam did nothing to fix his face for 20-odd years either.
@@RotalHenricsson You have a point. I was largely joking. Disney would get absolutely crucified if they made Palps trans, lmao.
@@nissutobor9078 yeah i know ^^ ...technically his soul in a cloned body would be trans*fered* though :D (I'll see myself out.)
@@RotalHenricsson lmao
Great video GenTech, always enjoy your content.
Any time I watch your videos I'm just so thoroughly impressed. Very professional presentation with such deep insight and research
Kamino was also pretty well isolated and out of the way.
A contract is a contract. I can't remember whether or not the Caminoans were paid up front. Surely, they had at least 50% up front under the most equitable of circumstances, but if you got it all up front, the only thing left to do is wait for them to mature, then wait for activation.
and if the rerpublick didn't want to pay them, tha, they still had a good argument in form of an Army to get the money
@@THATfishguywithfish iirc Plagueous bankrolled the entire venture so i'd reckon if Syfo... how do you spell that guy? if Syfo Dias didn't pay the entire first wave off there must have been *at least* a substantial front payment. Sort of fits in with the way the Senate only ever got a problem with the slave child army they got when it was time to order more clones - as in: pay for them.
Lately, I’m not totally convinced that Omega is unaltered. The pale blonde hair, the kind disposition, her empathy, her strategic aptitude, and this ability to accept high M-count donor blood; all point to some tampering with her genes.
If anything, Emerie Karr is the more unaltered of the two, with the only really noticeable exception being that Omega had no age acceleration done to her.
The blond hair is the one thing that is clearly, obviously altered--whether intentionally by the scientists or some kind of error in the lab--and it's very weird to me that no one in the entire show has ever mentioned it. And the M-count transfer thing is mysterious, particularly since Nala Se seemed to know about it. But strategic aptitude seems shared by all of the clones, and the empathy and kindness could be due to her being raised by Nala Se; there is a genetic component to these personality traits, but environmental influences seem much more important, there's no reason Jango himself couldn't have been empathetic and kind in some kind of alternate timeline.
I think when they say unaltered it's referring to her not having growth acceleration like the others. Besides, the blonde hair is explainable as Jango's mom and sister had blonde hair so the genetics were in him too. And since when does having a different personality than the original host count as genetic tampering? As for the M count; that is probably just some force mumbo jumbo that was beyond anyone's control.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirlpeople forget that for what little hair he had... Rex is canonically blonde as well
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Personality is an interesting facet of the nature vs nurture debate. Lately, there have been findings that indicate that genetics play a more significant role in personality traits than previously thought (for example, iirc there was a gene identified that contributed to antisocial personality disorder).
It’s true that kindness and empathy are not purely genetic, but it would be naive of us to assume that it’s always 100% the way someone was raised, especially in Omega’s case. The Kaminoans, Nala Se included, exhibit very little empathy, kindness or nurturing disposition. While, yes, Nala Se has been _more_ nurturing to Omega than is typical for Kaminoans, based just on what we’ve seen, it’s not nearly enough to account for Omega’s personality. That’s why I lean towards her having some genetic predispositions.
@@GGBlaster Just because someone was raised in a less than ideal environment doesn't mean they have to turn out bad. Look at Zuko from ATLA. He came from a line of genocidal warlords and was abused in just about every form possible; even having his face burned. Yet deep down he was always a kind but dorky kind of person who was forced to act tough in order to meet expectations.
I think I found an error of one of your theory.
Count Dooku was getting in contact with the Kaminoans before the clone wars, probably saying that he's associated with Master Sifo Dyas.
Remember, Dooku was the one that offers Jango for his DNA to create the Clone Army (Star Wars Bounty Hunter).
Also he ordered the Kaminoans to put the organic chip inside the clone army for the Order 66.
I was thinking that too, don't think it messes up most of the idea though
The "Force-sensitivity genes are only in females" idea certainly seems wrong from what we've seen with Anakin's and Padme's children being powerful in the Force though. It could be though that it's in both but for now the scientist only found it in a female, but really I don't think that idea works
~10:00 Anakin passed down his force sensitivity, so it cant come from just that
maby its the force sensitivity is recessiv in cloning, so when there is a y cromosome it dosn't work.
Another theory, that I have, is, that force sensitivity is maby blocked, when accelerated groth is in the play.
this means that maby only a normal growing and female clone can be used for cloning force sensitivity
sorry, I might have missspelled some things, becaus I'm not english
I mean, Anakin was a weird human, but he and his children were not clones either.
@@carlycrays2831 but this argument was about the corralation between X-cromosomes and inheritence of force sensitivity
@@THATfishguywithfish True, but that's why I'm not sure it's exactly this
Another great video, Allen. 🖖🏼
I mean the Kaminoins expert cloners, but nobody said they were expert military tacticians. I mean, isn’t it canon in both legends and current that they outsource pretty much everything apart from the clones themselves. So it makes sense that there’d be a lot of experimentation with the first batches to figure out exactly what they needed for an army, they weren’t military experts.
Rothana Heavy Engineering did the vehicles, i'm not sure who did the weapons, but the Phase 1 armor was (at least in Legends) designed by the Kaminoans. Apparently *very* tight in places you don't want them to be tight because the Kaminoans weren't all too familiar with the human bodyplan. And didn't care either; if they started to experiment those experiments had to have been a somewhat recent affair cause about 8 to 9 years-ish's gonna be the earliest the first clone's going to complain about his adult-size-armor being uncomfortable.
@@RotalHenricssonmore experimenting with what exactly the clones they were gonna mass produced would be at the end, it was after actual practical combat that we start getting the Phase 2 Clone armor.
That doesn't make sense though. Simple research would show that males are stronger, tougher, and faster than females, and that they're just overall better for combat. They wouldn't have experimented with gender to see which is better for combat. It's something else.
@@TheFirstCurse1 part of the research could be psychological as well. It has been seen that in combat situations men are more likely to try and protect the female or become enraged with their death which could be the goal. A clone that by design is ment to rally the troops in a combat.
@@nickm9102I don’t think cloning women so they can die in battle and enrage their simps is a good strategy. Disney just wanted a woman clone because politics.
Ever since TCW season 6 with Nala Se and Llama Su talking with Count Dooku and seeming to trust Palpatine i assumed they had been in on a lot of the siths plans from the beginning, meaning that they wouldnt have been expecting contact from the republic before Obi got there
I'm not sure Lama Su was super in on it, but Nala Se certainly was
They didn't know it was Dooku, they call him tyrannus, and after the holo call Lama Su comments that "those jedi are an odd bunch"
I cannot answer this in any way that doesn't make me sound sexist. Well played.
Smooth Criminal.
Did Luke & Lea get his Powers from their farther
@@smartass0124 nah they got them from their closer
Because Disney. Here you go.
sexist is just a word for accepting science and reality.
Great stuff👏🏿👏🏿
Alan why does my head hurt after I listen
to your videos?😄😄 Not really I love them.
You give us something to think about instead of just taking things at face value.
Thanks a lot!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I wonder if Emerrie will eventually suffer the age acceleration side effect like what happened to the rest of the male Fett Clones who became old men despite being chronologically younger.
she has to have it. pretty sure most clones would still be children now
Nope. She possesses the added girl boss gene.
@@BARALover96 You are correct any un altered clone would be a child still
"Accelerated aging Side effect where they became old men" that's kinda the whole thing.. accelerated aging accelerates the aging process.. so she probably will age in an accelerated manner yes
@jamespremo4152 gaslight gatekeep girlboss
Alan is such a treasure with his detailed and researched videos. He is our Qui-Gon and let’s hope he never comes near a light saber.
I thought that at some point after losing Omega the Caminoans were looking for Boba but couldn’t find him.
Boba = Alpha = first, Omega = last. She is Last of the original DNA specimens. The rest are clones of clones.
Maybe just one with accelerated aging and another without to see if that makes a difference to M-count/M-potential.
@GenerationTech Austin from The Science on the Game theory did a video that covered mitichorian. George based the Mitichorians off of mitrocondria, which can only be pass down by females and the number isn't determained by the parent.
Hey Alen, if you see this, great, if you dont oh well, but I've been a long time viewer of yours for awhile and it wasn't until recently that i haven't been able to watch all the new star wars content the week its releases by Disney. I'm in college now and don't have the ability to watch things like the bad batch until I get home for breaks and that makes it difficult to avoid spoilers. I want to keep watching your videos, but sometimes things get spoiled unintentionally. I guess what im asking is, mabye in the description of your vids you could put what episodes content are involved in these episodes, and if not thats perfectly fine. I enjoy your content and will watch it eventually, once I am able to watch the episodes of the bad batch.
M-counts can definitely be passed from fathers to their children based on the fact that Luke and Leia inherited their abilities from their dad.
Very good. I've been talking about this from the first episode on the Bad Batch. One thing everyone misses is that chromosomes contain errors (at least in this galaxy) so you can't just take the same X chromosome and duplicate it to make a female clone. You get the same bad results as incest. The mutations match up. We have two of every chromosome, except Y, so there is a miss match created to cancel out the mutations.
They need another female donor. Omega is about 12 so she's cloned early in the clone wars, about 31BBY, a year after the battles on Naboo. The available donor would need to be someone Sheev Palpatine respects and 'trusts'. That would be Padmé Amidala Naberrie. There is a female Fett available, Jango's older sister, last seen on Mandalore in an insane asylum's. Padme is a better option. An organizer, diplomate, healer (she was in the medical service before joining the government office). She's also handy in a fight. She has the genes they need. Jango is the warrior template but they also need a medical corps for the clone army. In the post war period the Republic would need a person to rebuild and that needs to be a diplomate healer not a warrior. So whether its a Kaminoans project the emperor did not fully know about or part of his plan does not matter, the female clone with both Jango's DNA and a dash of Padme's DNA fits the bill.
Yet there is another variable: "the force is strong in the family" and that has too mean Padme had a little force potential. That passed on to Luke and Leia but it also went to Omega. She's not a force user but the trait Hemlock seeks comes from the mothers side of the family but only Nala Se would know that.
the thing is, everybody is saying that Omega is force sensetive because she has a high M count....but that is NOT the case. Her blood has the abillity to recive Mediclorients, without degrading! That is a HUGE difference. I think the goal is not to produce a clone body for Palpatine, but to have a female clone, that could be pregnant and produce an offspring, palpatin could posess. We all know that his son, who is the father of Ray will be in the picture in some time. I think the direct cloning of Palpatin himself is way off at this stage.
I definitely think Omega will be Dathan's "mother," yes, but there is one theory that Nala Se knew Omega could sustain an m-count because she already injected her with midichlorians
Because one guy can’t voice literally every character.
I mean they did have an Irish one
10:40 a theory i heard is that her name isnt Emerie Karr but MRI-Karr wich is more fitting alongside hte number clones get. no idea what the karr stands for or means, maybe its CAR, another acronym, and that she took it as a name as she works with other named personel
In universe reason for female clones is same way ct-99 was born some accidents happened and lost the y just my thought anyway
The X chromosome was almost certainly duplicated in some form, replacing the Y, as opposed to the Y just being lost. Having a single X chromosome gives you Turner Syndrome, which carries with it a host of chronic disorders. One of those symptoms, coincidentally, is being very short, which we know Omega doesn't have because she's as tall as Hunter in the finale.
Omega and Boba are the only clones with pure Fett DNA. Perhaps creating the female clones happened during the attempt to create Omega and simply kept as lab technicians or nurse maids for the first generation of clones. They seem to be the same physical age as their male counterparts so they probably around the same age or slightly older than Omega.
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Females have better tolerance to G-load (due to having shorter limbs and being shorter overall and having higher natural tendency to have high blood pressure) thus it would make sense to make female clones to be pilots of atmospheric vessels.
That said, in SW judging by what we see even the most junk craft have some kind of "inertia compensators" thus this is probably irrelevant...
Didnt Luke & Lea get their force Power from their farthers
To quote a Naval aviator I know on the subject of high blood pressure, “short fat smokers are great at pulling Gs”
Or maybe they have a organic synthetic biomass designed specifically for cloning. You put in the DNA from the life form you want to clone, and it completely replaces the egg...
I would imagine this being a paste like substance that they could Mass produce rapidly...
What i found weird about Kaminoans with knowing their mindset was that they didnt change themselves to be able to live underwater - that seemed the best way to go since their planet turned into a waterworld.
male or female maybe being a genetic copy doesn't always mean they have to be the same gender at least when shows or comics etc have clones a lot of the time there's at least one or 2 females maybe its just a trope like x23 from xmen is a female clone who also got a clone
I took it as they started sending selective offshoots to people in the republic/empire.
As if When empire started to get more active with them they just started shotgunning ideas. And female clones was just a broad category.
Well an average female has around 300k to 400k eggs so they would only need a handful of them to make a army.
So from a genetic perspective, creating female clones would be “easy”. All babies are initially created female, before the Y chromosome is attached and the child becomes male. Female is the “default”. (I am in no way a scientist. I’m an engineer, I just remember the spark notes of this phenomenon from high school). So due to that, a female clone is easily explained. As for why? Well… an accident, for one. But more likely they were for specific purposes. Omega was clearly a pet project of Nala Se, but she was probably always intended for a form of project necromancer. Probably on the direct order of Palpatine or Dooku.
Perhaps Emerie was a "prototype" for a particolar clones' batch, the Kaminoans are scientists, and very good at, so they could've tried various types of clones, the male ones for fighting, the female ones were intended for administrative/support/medical duties, as from WWII onwards Earth's militaries had started to employ female personnel, freeing male for front line service. Then , perhaps, something went awry and the female clones' project was discarded, with the few produced employed in other facilities.
8:20 like with the velociraptors able to breed without without a mate in the first Jurassic Park movie
I've recently rewatched season 6 of the Clone Wars and it was implied that Syfo Diaz had died before visiting Kamino. When Kenobi was investigating, the former attaché of Valoram had stated that 'Tyranus wanted his (Syfo Diaz) identity'
I believe it was Dooku that had directly approached the Kaminoans claiming to be Syfo Diaz
Insert joke there:
The Empire had to cut payment on someone ...
Well that went about as dark as the Tleilaxu axolotl tanks
Seeing as midichlorians are basically a play on mitochondria, I think the theory of midichlorians coming from the mother is really cool, since that's what happens with mitochondria as well.
Are the Kaminoans mad scientists that might say, “Why not?”
What if the Alpha-Omega clones were archetypes that batches were made from? Like a master mold used to make more molds....
Stands to reason there would be a "proof of concept" for each run they intended to produce.
That would make Emory an Omega reg. There could be many like her.
Yeah, sure, Luke got his chosen one force connection from padme
I would assume that even when cloning, random mutations still occur. Also there are intersex people with XY chromosomes who develop similarly to those with XX.
The last theory is very interesting.
I´m actually surprised Emerie is the only one of the regular female clones. Would make perfect sense to have female Fett clones as doctors for medics and research. Male clones for the frontline service and combat and female clones for lab and hospital work. Would also help keeping the Fett dna alive I guess
While A female clone of Boba Fett maybe unacellerated they are by definition modified. Also you would want the 2nd X chromosome from a different donor to prevent recessive genetic disorders
A first generation clone would have no chance of degenerate disorders because their DNA is exactly the same as the parent (singular) and so there is no chance for undesirable genes to present. It's already been stated that they destroyed early batches of the clones when they did not complete match Jango Fett.
@@jonahhekmatyar Not true, if you have two Identicla X chromosomes from a Male, any Recessive defects that in genes that would only express in a female would still be present, as long as they existed in the original.
After the 5:00 mark talking about communications and such. Dooku was foing it under his Sith name and Kaminoians didn't know any better and such.
I should watch Bad Batch
I love the show, but I couldn't recommend it until Season 3.
The first two seasons were okay, but every episode of season 3 has been phenomenal!
Dew it
@@mitwhitgaming7722I disagree, yes there are a lot of filler but also I lot of very great episodes in both season 1 and 2
Based on this, you aren't missing anything of value.
@CedarHunt why? Because there's female clones?
The Kaminoans cloned other people besides Jango, I would argue Emmrie is probably not pure Jango.
So I'm not watching the video Yet because SPOILERS, but I just want to say that it is theoretically possible to get a fenotypical woman from a genetic male by disabeling the Y chromosome. Which I've always assumed is happening to the clones. I remember it from one of my biology textsbooks from study. Anyhows, hopefully I'll be back to watch this soon!
This will work but the clone would not be very healthy
So female clones are a side effect of the Fett DNA deteriorating
@@der-Dritte Yeah, shame that.
I think they were paid up front, I mean, it doesn't make sense to take payment on delivery when you don't only make them but also raise them.
Figured was made either for specific Infiltration purposes (Maybe)... OR there was just SO MANY Clones eventually a handful of Female Jangos was inevitable an was then just figuring out WHAT all they wanted to do with them
Ithorians also practiced cloning.
Well, the Sith took control of the Fett Clone Army project, so they only needed to communicate with the Sith.
If they had cloned multiple individuals to support specialist production lines or in order to introduce a level of genetic diversity to mitigate risks such as susceptibility to particular diseases (natural or engineered), that would make sense.
Im pretty sure that it was only done to tweak around genetics in the attempt to make a force sensitive clone. Which Omega apparently is now.
if you just consider the movies i agree the kaminoians are weird for this, but remember they were working with dooku who wanted this to be a secret. its not unusual to not call the client when jango fett is on station to handle that, he probably just told them he was relaying orders for the republic and not to contact the republic through anyone but him. the sith went to great legnths to keep the army hidden, it would only make sense for them to have a way to keep the cloners from becoming suspicious. or they knew the whole time and didnt tell because they aligned with dooku.
9:35 the skywalker line
I've wondered this since Omega first appeared. I've suspected that it may be as simple as using two identical X chromosomes (either by accident or intentionally) to create a female clone. I've tried to find any chromosomal abnormalities that may cause but came up short on info because I guess we don't really see that in our world (we get an X from our mothers and either an X or Y from our fathers, two genetically different people). I assume Omega would pick up any X related genetic traits from Jango, including colorblindness if he had that.
A part of the clone army that may often be overlooked in essays like this is very simple: it’s part of a fictional story. Sometimes the reason is a justification for something cool to happen.
In my writing, I say that female clones are just more stable than males, could be on the same train of thought
Maybe they just wanted to give the males some female companionship and made them some females. One thing I really look forward to is Boba & Omega meeting maybe somehow able to sense there related
Omega was definitely a pet project for nala. She probably just wanted something she could keep close and socialize with beyond the rotating staff and "oh no you see this is part ofca long term research project" makes for a good excuse. Beyond that the rest are probably just made out of utility female clones aren't immediately identified as clones by the males so they don't try to socialize with them and if the do the male would just consider them defects because they are different which makes them a great research asset to replace the dwindling staff to interact with the clones.
5:00 well we already know they were in on it so when a jedi showed up it was time to play there role
I want to point out that we've seen mutations in clones before, unplanned mutations. In The Clone Wars series, we've seen a clone instructor with hair-loss, and another with the sides of his hair gone grey, even though they both would have physically been in their 20's. Though for all we know, those 2 examples are related to combat stress.
Then of course, there's the OG 99.
So with that in mind, I always assumed Omega's gender was simply the result of an unplanned mutation, and she got relegated to a non-combat role. Perhaps she wasn't the only one.
There is a very personal connection between Omega and NaLasé, if you notice the pendant on NaLasé’s head is also on Omega’s head sometimes, it is on this video if you go back, possibly Omega was created by NaLasé for storing more raw DNA? The M count that Palpatine so much desire that he had bounty hunters all over the galaxy to search for force sensitives, and only had what 3 then 4 with the baby and lastly Omega but that was their ultimate mistake because Omega was trained by the Bad Batch, Hemlock underestimated Omega just as Palpatine underestimated Luke Skywalker (The real Luke not Woke Luke)
fun fact, there is infact gene marker that gets passed down from father to son and mother to daughter (i forget which but one of them also passes it the opposite sex, i think it was mother).
so genetically speaking it is possible for a special gene to only be passable through mothers
heres what i said from bad batch episode #1....if Omega is supposed to be an unaltered clone of Jango fett, like Boba, then someone in the kaminoan cloning crew needs sacking, because jango was male. Making a female clone of him requires altering his chomosones from male to female, thus, Omega is not unaltered.
I always assumed Palpatine and Dooku had a proxy keeping tabs on the Kaminoans, at least rubber stamping the reports and sending them up the chain.
judging how many eggs they would need to create the army - them making some clones to get the eggs would make a lot of sense - but then there is the question if the kamiinoans would want to wait enough time fot these female clones to mature to get their eggs - which would most likely take years - years of stalling the project without the eggs in the mean time. Unless they found a way to shorten that up - because they would not need the female hosts to develop mentally but rather physically (kinda dark) to get the eggs so maybe they accelerated their development even more than the normal male clones say like a factor of 3 or 5. that way they would need only around 3 years of clone growth to get a mature female clone ready for harvesting (still kinda dark though) but i doubt kaminoans would batt an eye over this.
Personally, I always just assumed the two were either trans, or some form of intersex.
Ever since I was a kid watching the clone wars I’ve always wondered why there wasn’t any female clones and it’s a shame we still don’t get a proper answer
Need fodder for the clone gang bangs, gotta keep morale high some how and with that survival rate its a tall order
Because of the video title I dreaded this comment section BUT turns out:
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I kinda just assumed emeri was a clone of someone else by some cloning company that just sells purpose made clones.
Maybe to see if it’s possible? I’m curious to see if Omega will make it to adulthood as will she look more like Boba Fett or something else. I’m also curious if Omega finally escapes from the Empire. Will she become a bounty hunter like her Brother and accidentally bump into each other?
Because an entire series of nothing but Dee Bradley Baker talking to himself would be very weird