How Good Is Asurman In 10th Edition Really…-“The Great Aeldari A$$man Debate”

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  • @user-cc7yv9xl2i
    @user-cc7yv9xl2i Před 10 měsíci +7

    Asur and D. Avengers aren't bad, just match up dependent and that means other options that do not share that flaw and have a similar cost are better.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      Fair point, a lot of people would rather take triple Spectres for around the same cost

  • @bigtrees519
    @bigtrees519 Před 10 měsíci +5

    First just got back from day 1 of 2 day tournament, I still like his free overwatch and dev on his sword. He also has a beastly 3+ invul with Fuegan beside him they are decent front-line choices along with the 10 man wraithguard and spiritseer.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci +2

      It’s a great combo in my experience but you definitely want to couple his ability with another Overwatch each turn to make the most out of it!

  • @Sakiawe
    @Sakiawe Před 10 měsíci +1

    Latest "oops all aspects" list i did i found out that Asurmen and squad of 10 avengers work really well from reserves. I can come in from side, clear objective with shooting and afterwards lock it down pretty good. Tactic that has worked out for me is feint opponent in thinking im going heavily on one side but using my mobility to make sure i can get to other places too. Avengers coming from the weak side with mayhaps some swooping hawks or warp spiders is powerful deterrent for weaker units or makes opponent overcommit harder.
    Done waves and 2 squads of avengers with asurmen thing too and absolutely love the disruption it brings in.
    Latest game my avengers with Asurmen cleared obj (squad of termagaunts) after coming from reserves, overwatched squad of hormagaunts, phantasmed to obj and finished last few hormagaunts during fight phase. 3rd turn managed to shoot at some warriors, then destroy 10 gargoyles and one winged character with 4+ overwatch and melee. I pretty much managed to take and hold entire flank with just one squad of avengers while rest of my army was fighting in the middle and far in the other flank. Had Warp spiders and swooping hawks ready to support if needed (love mobility warfare). Since 8th edition, always had Asurmen in 2k lists. Not stopping now. Such a good duelist and always has potential for insane clutches.
    List (for 2k) was something like. Asurmen, Fuegan, Illic, Baharroth, 10 avengers, 5 fire dragons, 5 swooping hawks, 5 Dark reapers, 5 warp spiders, 5 rangers, 5 striking scorpions, 5 howling banshees, 3 shining spears, 3 shroud runners, 2 wave serpents and 2 falcons. Just something silly i did for casual game to test out some of my new stuff.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      All aspects is really fun and I have found it is still quite strong on the tabletop!

  • @jimmyd85
    @jimmyd85 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Haha im glad im not the only one who calls him the assman, but i love him, been using him with 10 avengers in a wave serpent so i can get them up the board very quick and dump them out on a center objective, i rate him, he punched out a tank in melee on one of my games , that extra overwatch or just using it for a free overwatch is great so i can save my cp for phantasm and fire and fade as ive been using that more since the changes to phantasm

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      Oh absolutely! His free strat really frees up a lot of extra Cp over the course of the game and he is no slouch in combat either!

    • @mageofsymphonia
      @mageofsymphonia Před 10 měsíci +1

      This is more theory crafting, but if you combine that with swooping hawk or warp spider DS, you can really lay out the fire down on heavily guarded spots. If you got warp spiders, even better. You can have both WS and Asurmen + DA Overwatch to double dip on shooting. Really good for missions like the Ritual

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      @@mageofsymphonia Absolutely agree! You can really just shut down whole areas of the board

  • @abcdodd
    @abcdodd Před 10 měsíci +2

    LOL! I'm now tempted to join your Discord community.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      You should man it’s free with a patreon free trial!

  • @Xileph_0_o
    @Xileph_0_o Před 10 měsíci +2

    Im no master strategist so my ideas are usually defunct, But I've found some success with Assman 10 man and a gaggle of warp spiders for overwatch wont take down big targets but still fun against hordes, also devastating wounds so some guaranteed hits

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Dude that’s a fantastic way to use them! Didn’t mention Spiders in the video but you are 100% correct! Great for clearing infantry!

  • @markroberts6403
    @markroberts6403 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I love Ass-man! He gives some much needed combat ability to avengers. If you get it right, you can really wreck face. Shoot, charge kill unit, consolidate, overwatch, phantasm. Rinse repeat.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yep! Investment in the with strats is key to their success because yes as you said they can wreck if used properly

    • @markroberts6403
      @markroberts6403 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 I love your idea about 2 Squads of Avengers owning the board though. After listening to your vid, I went straight to Battlescribe and knocked up a list.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      @@markroberts6403 in my experience it works very well, the only thing I think it would really struggle into is IG

  • @RR-jz9sw
    @RR-jz9sw Před 10 měsíci +1

    With the wording on tactical acumen, can a clever opponent bait you into using overwatch on him before using overwatch else where and negate the effect of getting two overwatches. Quick example. Your opponent moves a threatening unit of 26 Guardsmen in range of Asurmans unit, but not any other unit you control. If you use overwatch on Asurman now, you lose the ability to use a normal overwatch strategem later?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      Correct! That is exactly right! Unfortunately makes it a bit awkward but there are a few counter plays an opponent can make

  • @SanDan3rdDan
    @SanDan3rdDan Před 10 měsíci +3

    The problem is that GW aren't making new kits and they wont restock the old stuff.
    I ordered a Spiritseer 5 months ago. Asurman is constantly out of stock. They don't want my money.
    Rant over.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Spiritseer still hasn’t come yet?? Damn man 😔 ya seriously though it’s ridiculous

    • @SanDan3rdDan
      @SanDan3rdDan Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@ProxyHammer1 Not only that. I paid in full, up front and all I can do is wait and hope that they deliver. It's a borderline scam.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      @@SanDan3rdDan That’s so shitty 😔 I have a spare finecast one I’m thinking of selling if you can’t get this one in and you end up getting your money back just let me know

    • @SanDan3rdDan
      @SanDan3rdDan Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 Thanks for the offer, I'm currently painting a finecast one. I'd like to wait for the plastic one due to visual diversity.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      Oh absolutely man I have both myself so I feel you! @@SanDan3rdDan

  • @KapnScumdreg
    @KapnScumdreg Před 5 měsíci +1

    A other great video, thanks.
    I was wondering, the +1 to hit that he (and indeed all phoenix lords) gives the unit, does that apply on overwatch (ie they'll hit on a 3+ when on an objective) ? It just says "each time a model in that unit makes an attack, add 1 to the Hit roll".

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 5 měsíci

      Unfortunately it does not apply on Overwatch as Overwatch is always 6+ unless specified otherwise

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 5 měsíci

      And also thanks!!

  • @Doomsong83
    @Doomsong83 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Dear God, please give us an updated model.

  • @davidfeline5850
    @davidfeline5850 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Asurmen, 10 Dire Avengers and a Wave Serpent are 325 points. I have decided to go with Fuegan, five dragons and a Falcon instead for 15pts more. Partly because I like Dragons more aesthetically, the Falcon is an absolute gunship with Shuriken cannon and Brightlance, and partly because Fuegan is just great this edition. Also provides a very nasty deep strike threat your opponent has to seriously consider. Yes they can whiff but the falcon helps with that a bit...

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci +1

      I absolutely love that fuegan combo! I have a list that runs both asurman and fuegan

  • @axefonky4547
    @axefonky4547 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Asurmen with 10 avengers overwatch combo with warp spider is dope ! Spiders could come from looooong way and put the opponent in a very tricky situation. And Asurmen tend to be VERY annoying to kill and his damage output in melee is good. He s almost all the time mvp when i bring him in batlle. To me his only drawback is the the model is old/horrible AF. Bring new model and he ll become almost auto include to me xD.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Dude for sure! I love running him honestly I have a proxy I use for him so it’s not a big deal but ya the old model looks terrible lol 😆

    • @jamiemunn9200
      @jamiemunn9200 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I built my own Ass Man from a few different kits. Looks better, but not perfect.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 9 měsíci

      @@jamiemunn9200 Nice!

  • @enriquedelolmodemedina4586
    @enriquedelolmodemedina4586 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Can u share a kind of list using 2 units of 10 DA?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Sure! Here it is! 2000 Point Mechanized (2000 Points)
      Aeldari
      Battle Host
      Strike Force (2000 Points)
      CHARACTERS
      Asurmen (135 Points)
      • 1x The Bloody Twins
      1x The Sword of Asur
      Autarch Wayleaper (115 Points)
      • Warlord
      • 1x Dragon fusion gun
      1x Howling Banshee Mask
      1x Star glaive
      Farseer Skyrunner (115 Points)
      • 1x Eldritch Storm
      1x Shuriken pistol
      1x Singing spear
      1x Twin shuriken catapult
      • Enhancements: The Phoenix Gem
      Fuegan (115 Points)
      • 1x Searsong
      1x The Fire Axe
      DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
      Wave Serpent (120 Points)
      • 1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Twin shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Wave Serpent (120 Points)
      • 1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Twin shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      OTHER DATASHEETS
      Dire Avengers (140 Points)
      • 1x Dire Avenger Exarch
      • 1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Close combat weapon
      • 9x Dire Avenger
      • 9x Avenger shuriken catapult
      9x Close combat weapon
      Dire Avengers (140 Points)
      • 1x Dire Avenger Exarch
      • 1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Close combat weapon
      • 9x Dire Avenger
      • 9x Avenger shuriken catapult
      9x Close combat weapon
      Falcon (140 Points)
      • 1x Bright lance
      1x Pulse laser
      1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Fire Dragons (85 Points)
      • 1x Fire Dragon Exarch
      • 1x Close combat weapon
      1x Firepike
      • 4x Fire Dragon
      • 4x Close combat weapon
      4x Dragon fusion gun
      Night Spinner (180 Points)
      • 1x Doomweaver
      1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Night Spinner (180 Points)
      • 1x Doomweaver
      1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Rangers (55 Points)
      • 5x Ranger
      • 5x Close combat weapon
      5x Ranger long rifle
      5x Shuriken pistol
      Rangers (55 Points)
      • 5x Ranger
      • 5x Close combat weapon
      5x Ranger long rifle
      5x Shuriken pistol
      Vypers (85 Points)
      • 1x Bright lance
      1x Twin shuriken catapult
      1x Wraithbone hull
      War Walkers (110 Points)
      • 2x Bright lance
      1x War Walker feet
      War Walkers (110 Points)
      • 2x Bright lance
      1x War Walker feet
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  • @anselme9493
    @anselme9493 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Asurman and Kerendres

  • @robhutchinson8243
    @robhutchinson8243 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Seems like could do drinking game for everytime *ssman is spoken.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      The warhammer drinking game is not for the faint of heart… or liver!

  • @GTXanatos13
    @GTXanatos13 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I was planning on getting him for collection purposes anyway, but how to find one, oy.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      I know man I can’t find him anywhere under 50$

    • @GTXanatos13
      @GTXanatos13 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@ProxyHammer1Not to mention I take some pride in building painting my minis myself, I'd prefer one that's not already done. And then ebay shipping to where I live is horrible.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      @@GTXanatos13 haha totally feel you!

  • @aaronlutz6235
    @aaronlutz6235 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Seriously bro do you induce fever dreams on yourself to come up with these thumbnails? 😂😂😂

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      I’m just clinically insane 😵‍💫

  • @TobiasBukkehave
    @TobiasBukkehave Před 10 měsíci +1

    How do u typically deliver those 2 squads to the midboard t1? Serpents? If you would post your list id die happy.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yes two serpents! I’ll post the updated list for you below!
      2000 Point Double Asurman Control (2000 Points)
      Aeldari
      Battle Host
      Strike Force (2000 Points)
      CHARACTERS
      Asurmen (135 Points)
      • 1x The Bloody Twins
      1x The Sword of Asur
      Autarch Wayleaper (115 Points)
      • Warlord
      • 1x Dragon fusion gun
      1x Howling Banshee Mask
      1x Star glaive
      Farseer Skyrunner (115 Points)
      • 1x Eldritch Storm
      1x Shuriken pistol
      1x Singing spear
      1x Twin shuriken catapult
      • Enhancements: The Phoenix Gem
      Fuegan (115 Points)
      • 1x Searsong
      1x The Fire Axe
      DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
      Wave Serpent (120 Points)
      • 1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Twin shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Wave Serpent (120 Points)
      • 1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Twin shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      OTHER DATASHEETS
      Dire Avengers (140 Points)
      • 1x Dire Avenger Exarch
      • 1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Close combat weapon
      • 9x Dire Avenger
      • 9x Avenger shuriken catapult
      9x Close combat weapon
      Dire Avengers (140 Points)
      • 1x Dire Avenger Exarch
      • 1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Avenger shuriken catapult
      1x Close combat weapon
      • 9x Dire Avenger
      • 9x Avenger shuriken catapult
      9x Close combat weapon
      Falcon (140 Points)
      • 1x Bright lance
      1x Pulse laser
      1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Fire Dragons (85 Points)
      • 1x Fire Dragon Exarch
      • 1x Close combat weapon
      1x Firepike
      • 4x Fire Dragon
      • 4x Close combat weapon
      4x Dragon fusion gun
      Night Spinner (180 Points)
      • 1x Doomweaver
      1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Night Spinner (180 Points)
      • 1x Doomweaver
      1x Shuriken cannon
      1x Wraithbone hull
      Rangers (55 Points)
      • 5x Ranger
      • 5x Close combat weapon
      5x Ranger long rifle
      5x Shuriken pistol
      Rangers (55 Points)
      • 5x Ranger
      • 5x Close combat weapon
      5x Ranger long rifle
      5x Shuriken pistol
      Vypers (85 Points)
      • 1x Bright lance
      1x Twin shuriken catapult
      1x Wraithbone hull
      War Walkers (110 Points)
      • 2x Bright lance
      1x War Walker feet
      War Walkers (110 Points)
      • 2x Bright lance
      1x War Walker feet

    • @TobiasBukkehave
      @TobiasBukkehave Před 10 měsíci +1

      Wow, Dude. This looks so good. Very similar to What i run for mechdar atm except for the spinners being prisms. One thing i thought about was cutting prisms and going a third serpent with 2x5 tempest reapers for some more Boots on the Ground actually. There would still be points for shroud runners to give Them lethal. Feel that package fits Well. Between dragons, fuegan and the war walkers you still have decent anti tank. And avengers/reapers should cover your needs in regards to infantry. But maybe 2
      Spinners is just better.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      @@TobiasBukkehave If you want to go for more damage reapers are going to give you way more bang for your buck, but if you want board control to compliment Asurman and the Avengers then the spinners are going to be the pick every time. Really just depends on what your strategy is going into the game
      The list I’m running is nasty and had a couple of my opponents in fits about what to even do about the insane level of board control.

  • @datdude119
    @datdude119 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Where is the discord link? Starting my first Aeldari army and I'd love to join.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 10 měsíci

      Join a patreon free trial, it’s free for 7 days then you can just cancel if you want. I do it that way to keep out the bots and other miscreants 🫤

  • @PhO3NiX96
    @PhO3NiX96 Před 8 měsíci +1

    when you say 2 max units of dire avengers, do you mean 2 squad of ten or 2 squads of 5?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 8 měsíci

      Two squads of ten 😎

    • @PhO3NiX96
      @PhO3NiX96 Před 8 měsíci +1

      So you're saying if i run a single squad of 10 then it's not worth it correct? @@ProxyHammer1

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před 8 měsíci

      @@PhO3NiX96 Not necessarily I like running a single squad of 10 myself but I’ve found that running two squads maximizes the Overwatch coverage and really gives Asurman a lot more influence.