The Craftworld Eldar Fire Prism In 10th Edition-“Is It Even Good??”
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2023
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Don't forget that most vehicles also can have benefit of cover or some can activate smokes stratagem, so +1AP on Prism is even more important
It is good honestly! I’ll probably have several lists with them on release
I disagree that Fire prism don't have synergy with fate dice. Fire prisms are THE candidate for your 3s and 4s Strand of fate dice. Together with expert crafters you can almost guarantee 12 flat damage on anything without a inv save. In my opinion having a flat damage stat is a huge bonus, because you are not tapping at your limited SoF pool of sixes or your one farseer 6 per turn. Those can be used to counter enemy AT fire or for important charges instead.
Ya that’s a good point they are great for dumping those 3’s and 4’s into! The only thing I worry about are those overkill moment’s because it counts as a single weapon
Fire prisms are cool but I’m more excited about 3x3 warwalkers and 3x3 d cannons
Oh dude very true that is going to be brutal! Really excited to see the rules for D-Cannons as well!
What did I miss about the walkers? I love the old 2nd ed versions and want to get them back on the table. I dont really need a reason but curious what the news or speculation is.
@@chadfontaine2717 Unparalleled mastery plus SoF make walkers with BL’s a big deal! They are looking really good!
While I have a fire prism, I think I will prefer a falcon for the lances and troop transport versatility
Falcons are going to be extremely effective as well!
Btw saw your collab vid over on your channel! Good stuff! :D
@@ShockArcl1te It really is!
Same here. I want to love the Prism but the Falcons versatility is just more appealing.
@@chadfontaine2717 True! I’m looking forward to bringing the Falcon back with some Fire Dragons in tow!
Intuitively I'm more attracted by the flexibility of "You thought you could hide" setup using 2FP. Most of the armies will align one big vehicle or monster, so the FP on the table will force opponent not to be too adventurous with his big thing and we can decide for the good moment to bring the second FP to trade it.
As usual some dress rehearsal at home will be useful
Definitely agree! I’m actually excited to use it to bust open some big stuff in hiding in the back.
Patiently waiting for Proxy to weigh in on the new data sheet reveals😊
Coming soon! 😉
I totally get the idea that flat 6 damage cheats us out of utilizing fate dice the way we do for a Bright Lance, but the way I see it, it's a free 6 without using any fate dice in exchange for slightly less damage. No need to have a farseer jogging behind the prism to offer up 6s. I know it's still technically a loss over what Bright Lance offers for the points. I guess this is just the glass-half-full mentality.
HOWEVER
I'm iffy on Linked Fire, largely for personal reasons. I don't like the incentive to get multiple prisms. I like to keep my units to one of a kind unless it's troops or unless I *really* like painting them. It might not be competitive, and judging by the data we have so far Anti-vehicle is going to be incredibly important, but I'm just not sure I want to paint up two of these things just to take advantage of a single rule. (This is just a me thing. No shade on those who want to run multiple prisms!)
I would sooner choose my targets carefully from the prism's extreme range, and let a Crimson Hunter with Bright Lances and pulse laser (looking forward to the stats on that gun) pop in and take out the more risky/terrain blocked targets.
Ya flat 6 is totally fine I’m just thinking from a points perspective it might be more cost effective in the first few turns to run the regular old BL but time will tell!
I also agree having to take multiples just to benefit from a rule is kind of annoying 😑 I’m just used to running prisms so it’s not a big deal but I totally understand. Luckily it doesn’t looks like prisms will be an auto include
The flat damage is good imo because it doesn't have use for fate dice. This means you can use them for damage on D cannons, bright lances, and saves which are going to use up 6s and 5s imo
You are totally correct and with the prism getting extra rerolls with CTM it’s going to be very strong!
Painted two Fire Prisms in 9th and didn't use them much, after Daemonic Save arrived, never.
I look forward to play them. Hopefully not at 165 ppm.
Ya same here luckily only one player in my group played daemons so I didn’t have to deal with it all that much
The better comparison to the Prism cannon is the Missile Launcher; long range, two firing options, the anti-infantry option having Blast as well.
In either case, I think Prism Cannons and Missile Launchers are better, because with the removal of battlefield roles, we're likely to see way more skew lists. And with powerful once per unit/battle effects, we're also likely to see "staple" units (units good in every list) which increasingly seem to be infantry sized models.
The Fire Prism used to have three firing modes, and we're still stuck to 2 ala 9th edition. The real kicker to me is, that meanwhile, Thousand Sons get Fire and Fade as a repeatable main army rule, they hard counter psykers, and that Warp creature they showed off had three firing modes. Had to give the bottom tier faction all our cool stuff I guess.
The Warp time from the thousand sons rituals is actually just another move that happens at the beginning of the shooting phase, luckily it’s not after. I do wish to see a return of 3 firing modes for prisms as well I thought that was really awesome!
I’m more a falcon kinda guy. But in any case I’m kinda over this selective drip feed of info I just want the index to drop at this point
I love the Falcon as well and honestly im a bit tired of the drip feed too 🫤 can’t wait for the index to drop already lol 😆
I have been running a pair of Lynxes over Fire Prisms in Ninth. How their pulse lasers come out in the wash of the tenth ed. rules compared to multiple Bright Lances will determine if I invest in a pair of Fire Prisms or not.
That’s fair! Lynxes could prove to be very good if costed correctly!
I'm hoping that the pulse laser will come in around strength 14 retaining AP-3 and maybe getting D3+3 dmg also. If still at 220 pts or even a little less, cerca 200 maybe. They'll be worth running. Also the Falcon has two shots from one of these as well currently at AP-3 and D3+3 dmg each. They've been stronger than BLs up 'til now so fingers crossed...
@@davidfeline5850 Ya I’m hoping pulse lasers get a bit stronger as well! They will probably be S 14 Ap-2 with d6+2 damage
I'm not sure if it will be the first list I play, but 3 Prisms will be hitting the table not long after tenth drops.
They have some really interesting things they can do for sure, depending on the points I’m also really impressed with a single warwalker with 2 lances
@Proxy Hammer and Vypers, and Guardian platforms. Lots of ways to get bright lances and hard target eliminating weapons in a list.
@@eldenwarden9673 Very true! I’m excited to see what we can do!
War walkers are going up in points. At least 20 pts imo.
Probably, they are really good now.
I wonder if our tanks will still only allow you to swap between the TSC and Shuriken Cannon as the secondary weapon.
Probably tbh… the kit is rather limited in that way
Here's an Interesting thought. Falcons. In 9th edition the falcons pulse laser is basically the same as the bright Lance. So if you put a brightlance on a falcon you are most likely getting 4 bright Lance equivalent shots along with the troops it can carry. Also you mentioned in a comment back that you can just grab a falcon turret and slap it on the same chassis As a fire prism. Where do you find just the turret of a falcon?
Oh for sure! Although I think sometimes you will want to give it a scatter laser to make sure you can score a hit on an infantry unit you want to target with the unit inside for the Supporting fire rule!
The pulse laser alone is going to be worth it’s weight in gold! To find the turret you will probably have to comb eBay for one, they are pretty rare now a days
You can just magnetize the fire prism turret weapons with falcon weapons if you have something that makes sense. Looks quite good.
@@Git_Kraken You are totally correct! You could very easily convert it
Without points who knows how good anything will be. Given this edition is a hard reset and we have had no reveals at all for points costs, this is such a huge unknown that it makes speculation fairly pointless. Fwiw, my prediction would be that Eldar grav tanks have t9, the same as a rhino, and I strongly suspect fire prisms will be more expensive than you are hoping. The linked fire/fire and fade combo is fairly absurd, you dont need three prisms for it to be viable nor do you need to hide both behind a single piece of terrain as they only need to be within LoS of each other to activate linked fire. My expectation is they come at a premium cost and are worth it only if there is a meta with a lot of targets bright lances wound on 5s or there is a viable hide-and-seek defensive playstyle - although if there is, we should remember GW nerfed that out of existence last edition.
You could be right time will tell! Although in GW’s history of wanting to sell models I doubt things will be too expensive 😉
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Its only 125 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@scolack123 yeah, a whole load of the points costs are weird, GWs design team are clearly all on crystal meth. There is close to a 0% chance these rules and costs remain as they are though, Eldar are facing a major nerf and I think it will come quickly, probably before the next scheduled balance or points update. Groups like Goonhammer and Art of War are very clear that the Aeldari index is in 'emergency balance patch' territory, they have very good links with GW and have called this sort of thing correctly in the past. Sadly we really don't know what our rules are yet, all we do know is they won't be exactly what is in the index.
@@scolack123 Ya that should probably get fixed lol 😂 it’s ridiculously underpriced
As far as I know fire prisms have never been competitive, mine are collecting dust, and they will remain doing so unless GW makes them, not even strong, just viable.
They were the meta in 5th edition 🫤 I think they might be good in 10th just depends on the cost
@@ProxyHammer1 I wish you're right, still doubt.
@@user-cc7yv9xl2i We can only hope! 😅
Link fire stratagem should be deleted and fire prism should be good on their own, instead of depending on this gimmick.
I agree I wish the prism could stand on its own tbh
Fire prisms aren’t worth the footprint
That may be the case just depends on the terrain layout
Nope not good. To swingy IMHO
Depending on how it costs it might be very viable… either that or single warwalkers and Vypers will outcompete
Which part is swingy exactly? It's got flat 6 damage
@@Sealbag one tank with one big gun. It's not predictable enough. To easy to miss/fail to wound and just not do damage. This is pretty standard problem for "big gun" units throughout the history of 40k. Better to do a bunch of shots from multiple units. And investing in multiple fire prisms is a fun but has a big opportunity cost for an objective focused game.
@@Sealbag I think he is talking about the damage potential either being able to kill a target outright or leave it with 1-2 wounds. 13 wound models would require something else to be able to hit it to finish it off