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How to bend hard tubing for watercooling!
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- A lot of people are still scare of rigid tube bending... so let's talk about the two more common rigid tube materials (Acrylic/PMMA) and PETG and show you how to work with them!
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Jay using the Metric measurements system is proper. Keep the videos coming Jay.
Is it wrong that I was expecting Scientist Jay with the white lab coat?
I tend to have a 4-6 year computer upgrade cycle, so after this video, I'm getting closer to doing custom loop water cooling.
Thank you for all you do!
Custom water cooling is so much fun, and very rewarding. Not just the look, but the performance. Just be forewarned, it's addictive, and expensive. Been doing it for years now. All of my systems are watercooled. Also, you can go straight soft tube or hard tube, or a combo of both. I go hard tube to a point, then soft tube where it connects to the GPU and CPU. This makes maintenance a lot easier. And there will be a lot more of that. All I can say is, take your time, and make sure you buy more than you think you will need, because you will make mistakes along the way. And that's OK, because that's how we learn.
Have a great day! o7
Seriously, we need Scientist Jay. Slicked hair, pocket protector, pens and ruller in the pocket. Crisp white jacket. Chef's kiss.
Back in the day i almost upgraded every year, so new hardware + case mod, but i am back to a cadence much like you.
And ! it is about that time of the century again 🙂
Once you do it you realize the hardest part is just buying the stuff that is compatible
@@cmdrclassifiedsince the gtx 1080s for gpus water cooling hasn’t been as fun for performance as it was. I do it more for looks and silence now.
great title
Too bad it's changed already because CZcams creators don't have freedom of speech
For a second i misread *DON'T LET YOUR LUBE GO LIMP!*
That would be a weird video.
Just a tip for people considering PMMA tubing: If you try cutting the tube using roller tube cutter, 95% of your cuts will create fractures down the tube. I used multiple tube cutter and tightening really slow. They ALL cracked down the tube. They do look soo much better than PETG but would recommend using a hand saw or bench saw to cut.
Dude, this video can be defined in 1 word. "Dedication" thanks man
Trying this for the first time using PMMA corsair 10/14mm frosted tubing at the moment after watching Jay's previous videos. My tip as a newbie, is to leave the noodle in until it is completely cooled and set so you can check the angle BEFORE removing it, if it's not quite right, you can reheat it and adjust it. Once you remove the noodle, if you try to reheat it, the tube will collapse, also you just cannot get the noodle in again once you have bent it!
Do you like the frosted tubing? Can you see bubbles / water flow through it? I'm debating about getting clear or frosted tubing for my next build.
@@KanaalMTS Not original OP but I have used Corsairs frosted tubing. I did not see the water flow with either colored or clear fluid. Only bubbles I saw were at the beginning like the first 1 or 2 hours after filling up the loop. But I cant see the water flow on clear tubings either. Rarely I see a few tiny bubbles rushing through. But thats it.
I was thinking about that corsair PMMA vid he made while watching this! Thank you for the tip, i have a build coming soon!
@@PlebLordThe3rd Thank you so much
@@KanaalMTS Now I have finished it, I love it. The RGB lighting reflects nicely off of it, and yes you can see the water going through when you are priming it.
To those with no experience, Jay left out the warning against PETG. PETG also has a lower heat tolerance in loops. There are horror stories of loops that run up to about 40C on coolant that starts to warp the PETG tube at the fittings, causing leaks. It's always better to use PMMA/Acrylic even if it's your first loop. Buy EXTRA tubes to practice on before you send the build.
Im not sure if anyone else does them, but EK had/has? petg inserts to stop this from happening
This also helped me understand why 3D printing with PETG can be such a hassle with warping and peeling corners. That temperature change is pretty wild with how fast it is!
In the next “water cooling for dummies” series y’all do, can you go over the why/when to flush and clean components before loop filling? Or how to make your own mixture with correct biocide and corrosion inhibitors?
did a first time custom loop with Jay's vids. Great process. Thank you! I picked PMMA after his recommendation, and bought an extra 2-3 3' lengths so I could have some to play with. I practiced on a scrap piece before I ever attempted to use one of my 90's. Took me 2-3 bends to figure out if I pulled it 2 inches away from the heat, and waited for an extra 20-30 seconds, and once I felt the limp noodle thing start to happen, give it about another 10 seconds, I had it without any cracking or bubbling. It was really fun to learn, and if you go into it knowing you're gonna screw some up and budget for some extra so you can practice, you'll find yourself using your practice bends before you know it. Thanks Jay!
I'm not planning to bend any tubing soon, but I love educational videos like this. 👍
id love to see more build stuff like this, tube stuff is the most intimidating part of custom builds for me
Jay I want to you think about you said about the flexible tubing and it leaking plasticizer into the water over time. That it will ALWAYS do that. Now think about that soft plastic disposable water bottles and realize they are doing the same thing.
Yeah ive given up drinking anything from plastic if i can help it. Glass is de wey and also very available and cheap.
Thank you Jay, i am doing my first watercooling build and your videos have been very helpful
Jay is the amin too for pc tips, he isn't the only PC content, but I never overlook a video, honesty and not just trying to sell you the newest parts are why I will never see this man as over rated. Just started wanting to water cool, watched his video on basics and boom this drops.
Yes Jay...thank you for touching on our tubing....types
this was very informative thinking about watercooling in the future and will definitely watch his video again when the time comes
Myabe you can talk about some of the other tools you use. How to clean burs off the edges. Or the Primo Chill drill attachment. Or the air pumps to check for leaks. That was a game changer for me. As you stated once someone builds one, they will build more. All these tools are useful for a long time. Thanks for sharing.
I got a Harbor Freight special for like $9 on sale (probably $15 now) and it has worked great. Heat guns are simple, hot thing + blower fan.
Honestly, Harbor Freight is a good way to go for cheap niche use case tools, or for tools that you don't want to be afraid to get all sorts of jacked up (or even modify to fit your current needs).
I actually did my first loop thanks to your other video and the one showing off the HydroX series. So this video shows off a lot I learned while working on the Corsair pmma. My new rig looks awesome and no leaks EVER. Thanks Jay!
Jay setting us straight on bending tubes. For science.
Love the use of vernier's to get an exactly approximate distance measurement.
Looking forward to more of these. I watched this a day after upgrading from soft to hard tube, after watching your hard tube primer from about 8 years ago 😃
Glad you went over this demo again, really gonna help me on my first acrylic build soon, 😊
The double entendre is strong in this one 🤣
Cool video, guys. I learn something every time I watch your videos.
Thanks to you Jay, I have built my first open loop PC. It looks great partially because of the good knowledge you are passing on! Cheers.
this is exactly what i was needing to plan my future watercooled build which will be my first custom loop and i was desperately needing a video like this with tips and tricks thanks!
Im loving the new editing style your using
Very good tips! I’m about to give this a go for my 14900ks. Some info on pressure testing the loop would be great. Keep the vids coming!
I'm 40 this year, defiantly having to take closer care of my tubes!
8:42 The thermal transfer from air is mostly surface based, so larger diameter heats up faster. You assumption would work if it the outside diameter stayed the same and inside got smaller.
Thanks Jay for the heat gun settings and timing etc, this is what I was wondering about. Brilliant!
Thanks Jay! Awesome video. Looking forward to seeing more "water cooling for dummies" videos!!!!!
I needed a tighter radius than the jigs that I bought,so I used one of my wife's medicine pill bottle as a jig and a little patience to get what I needed, worked like a champ!
Project farm tested heat guns, and the HeatOne from Amazon was one of the cheapest AND best performing.
Also, thanks, Jay! Love you!
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That was so interesting. I just bought some PMMA tubes that I'm going to have fun with for my AMD, Fractal Design North build 👍🙂
Love the video, would love to see your techniques on cutting and measuring some complex bends for the more advanced class. I saw a great video where they used reference points in the case to measure the length of the tube and between the bends and how to calculate it. I'm a little curious if you have any great methods for getting great looks on the more complex builds.
this series will be good as im just started looking at doing watercooling for a up coming intel 13th gen system
Very interesting!
I ended up working on my first solid tubing loop at the beginning of the year and learned lots following what you previously showed (...and shattered an acrylic tube in the process bc I was probably not patient enough at some point XD).
I managed some double bends and was so proud of them, even though fitting them was a pain, but boy did it take time (barely dialed the heat gun up so the warmup took ages) : now I know :D
Thanks for this video! :D
Thanks for this, will show some friends that were freaking out
Topic Suggestion: Modding AIOs. I was really intrigued by the video a few years back where there was the one AIO that could be modded. I know these are meant to be contained, close loops, but I am sure there are some mods that could be done to them (flow meter, adding reservoir, etc.) Could be a fun Science with Jay episode.
When I started watercooling I used those kinds of tubes. But I learn really fast that wasn't for me. since then I used actual glass tubing, copper tubing, and my most recent build carbon fiber tubing and so far the carbon fiber tubing is the best in my opinion. Now you can't bend it but you can buy it bent and 90, 45 and 60 degree angles or straight as well
Hoping to do my first custom watercooling build with the pc case that Jay is designing.
So all these videos are very helpful for a beginner like me.
Looking forward to the next video :D
A nice straight cutting tool for the pipes might be a good thing to have too så you can create clean edges, maybe a deburring tool as well.
I bought a harbor freight heat gun back when you were still making AMD FX videos for my first water cooling build. Damn things still works, pretty sure that's 1500x the average lifespan of a Harbor Freight tool
You sir are a first class bender.
Don't let your tube go limp hahaha the best YT title ever! 😂
Your channel convinced me that i should go custom water cooling, at it was the best thing i did especially for my GPU. its so quiet while i game. maybe i suggest to make a video how to clean the tubes before assembling them. i used frosted tubes and the some of the dirt got stuck in the fins so i have to remove and clean them all.
I know there has been a push in the community for hyper accuracy in all things. I have to say I absolutely love your crossover of getting close to control but still just practical this is how it works in the real world. Keep showing practical demonstrations for all its worth.
When I did this for the first time, I bought 2x the tube I thought I was going to need. It sounds like a waste but it was the first time I had tried bending tube. I took my time trying the bends I needed and if I screwed up, I knew I had plenty of extra.
Soft tube is so dang convenient and easy to use. We don't do things because they are easy though.
Hard line tube looks real good, but what a pain in the ass. Time to do a hard line system I guess, lmfao.
Plastic... 3D printed resin sealed hardline... or metal...
Saw a dude do copper pipe with way too many joints and elbows... so much brazing... looked so good after the polish.
My immature ass reading the first two paragraphs 😂 (Sorry bro I know you’re trying to make a sincere comment but I can’t help it)
@@inff3rno nah, you nailed the right maturity level to be reading my comments at 🤣
I write for hyenas, and the bevis and butthead crowd. 🫨
Jay! I would like to see a match-up with two identical/similar pc's, one with highend aircooling and the another with custom loop.
In light of all the EKWB drama -- I would be interested in hearing/seeing your opinions and reviews on other water block manufacturers such as Byteski, Alphacool, etc. Looking at finally doing an open loop myself and now that EKWB is a mess I'm curious about other manufacturers and their quality.
Check some of his recent watercooling videos, he talks about a much cheaper fitting company that seem to work very well!
@@ravenovatechnologies6554 Yeah I've seen the cheaper AIOs that were featured -- I'm interested in the GPU water blocks for open loops that aren't EKWB given the issues associated with them right now. Thanks :D
@warderkeeju I totally understand, gpu blocks seem to be the hard part.
Absolutely riveting content.
Perhaps a video on the more exotic tubing options ie: brass,copper, carbon fiber, possibly glass
I'm not water cooling my system, but watched the whole video to help out the channel. ;-)
Thanks! I learned things today :)
Lmfao, thought it was a CRT video
I might never water cool but I am learning. In turn becoming more comfortable with the idea.
What noone shows is how to measure your runs from point to point and where to start the bend to get it to mate point a to b
Exactly. I would love to see that video. I can bend tubing all day.
The easiest way is to use 90 degree fittings so you only have to do one bend in a tube. Then you just make the tube oversized for what you want and can trim each end of the tube back so it will fit.
A neon sign artist can do wonders with glass bending.
A limp tube is always a problem!
Jay knows how to handle a bigger blacker tube.
It'd be nice to get your take on the heat dissipation rate of various rads of various sizes. And also maybe some sience on "more rad more better" ☺️
Surprised he still doesn't made a 3d print or adjustable block with elements for bending tubes a different angles. Like a simple plate with blocks you can click in to guide the tubes etc for bending :)
Ahhh good old jay. That is how i learnd to bend. So here is a late Thank you!
Hey will start my first hardline PC later this week; Found a few videos how to bend them etc, simmilar to this one, but I found it hard to find a video that shows me how to messure right? Like how do I get the perfect length on a tube, where do I need to bend, how do I do multiple bends etc. Would be nice if you could make a video about that - think some more people would appreciate :)
Now perhaps, make a jank rig using polyurethane tubing to see if it has the same issues PVC has. One experiment we had with Plexi tubing is engraving, makes the thing look something else on an illuminated loop with colored coolant! Be sure to use the thicker stuff and never dig too fast, too hard nor too deep...
Thanks so much for making these vids
Could you possibly do a video on were to buy the hardware from. Like your opinion/ best place to buy fittings and the hardware
Should do a video on the different types of water cooling liquids and their pros and cons
OOo0O almost got me there Jay hahahah
My tube will never be limp again, thank you Jay.
Some people have been having PETG fail after being in service for a while due to coolant temps in their loops. I've seen several posts on reddit about it.
I would like to see you address fitting,block and pump costs. The best for budget and the best for expensive..
So for me the biggest thing holding me back from doing a custom water loop is finding out what angle you need to get the tube to line up perfectly. If you could somehow come up with a good in depth video on how you go about finding the angle you need to make a specific run in your loop, It would honestly benefit me so much. This video was absolutely perfect in the amount of content and advice and demonstration there was. Thank you for taking the time and effort to make it!
I mean there is ways to calculate it. Measure both ways than use the formula. But eye balling worked for me
I don't get the impression that you calculate the perfect angle. Jay had said before that you make your bend on an oversized piece and then trim either/both ends to fit, so I feel it's more have a general plan and adjust as needed more than making perfectly measured/angled pieces upfront.
@@Juansonos you can calculate it. Just like welders do. It’s alittle much for water cooling and a jig I think is far faster and gets you there.
Jay can we get a video about compound bending please ... I always have trouble with tubes with 2 bends in it ...
Great tube intro 😂
Thanks Jay appreciated
Jay's tube :3
Liam Le has a brand new AIO that exits the hoses on the side, in the middle, rather than on the end. That way, you don't run the hoses over your ARGB Ram. Some people are smart enough to run their hoses at the rear of the case, but are few and far between.
Very interesting video.
The thicker wall pmma bend faster is because the insert is heated up by the previous bend. It also take time to heat up the inner insert.
An industrial build would look cool. Brass/copper/black/Safety yellow and orange/ fire red. Probably not all the colors but a mix of a few. Copper tubing is always my favorite on a lathe. Stainless is nice but it doesn't look as good in my opinion. Then instead of the typical connectors, bsp to crimp Copper would really look nice. Unless you feel like brazing the lines
You can practice bending tubing by using PVC and a stove. They do this for aquarium projects. It's cheaper and you can get comfortable without concern for wasting the nice stuff.
Hey Jay - This is good stuff! Could you also explain inside diameter and flow rates and how (if) that changes things. Old build from 2014 with 3/4" tubing seemed to cool best at slow pump speeds.
jay should make a video on Spirals !!
Copper tubing ❤️
Oh the timing! Drying out my PC now because the main line from the back of my PC to the front got hot and sagged and leaked
Video idea - Watercooling on a budget maybe? I’ve seen many brands on AliExpress and Amazon and it would be actually pretty helpful to see where money can be saved and where it shouldn’t be. I saw You using some Barrow fittings and they look pretty nice, ngl. But is a waterblock from china any good? What about Chinese pumps? Should I start with a simple soft tube loop and expand/change later or maybe go rigid dual loop crazy sh*t from the beginning? Side to side cost to performance comparison, like You did with the PC build?
Have a great day guys! Thanks for all the help throughout the years!
I am all about that Tube Steak Boogie....
Makes me want to get tube and supplies to do this to the computer i did a soft tube setup on.... sad thing is i really dont use that pc, though im currently thinking of reformatting it and making ity new daily since my current daily just crashed the other night and wont boot now.
My tubing went limp many builds ago.
This was very helpful thank you. Are conventional pipe benders useful at all or is it all done by hand?
welcome to fish tank building 101 Jay will be your instructor for this course...
In my experience PETG is the easiest to handle, it also doesn't scratch as acrylic. But acrylic is more bright and looks like glass, PETG is a little bit less bright. But acrylic needs more attention to handle. So both have pro's and con's.
remember, thermal dynamics.
Thicker material insulates heat within itself better than in a thinner material.
ie; more heat temp absorption equal faster spike of higher temp.
Reasonably accurate to a point (recognizing max temp threshold, / type of material),
until the material gets so thick it takes longer to get the heat to max threshold,
not the case with .5mm difference in a plastic tube.
Clear as mud?