How Fernando Alonso’s shock Aston Martin F1 deal for 2023 happened so quickly
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- Aston Martin rocked the Formula 1 driver market on Monday when it announced the shock signing of Fernando Alonso to be Sebastian Vettel’s replacement in 2023 and beyond.
This came just days after Vettel announced his retirement from F1 at the end of the year, and with Alonso having been widely expected to sign a new deal with Alpine over the summer.
So why has Alonso made this surprising switch, what will the repercussions be for the rest of the F1 silly season, and what does it tell us about the team he’s joining, and the one he’s leaving?
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05:38 Oops (2015) Sorry everyone!
=I KNEW IT AT SILVERSTONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....................YEAH,I CAN SEE THE FUTURE,SORT OF.....
Thank you for pronouncing Haas correctly. Please educate your other colleagues to do the same.
Was about to comment about that
He moved because he was getting his ass kicked by ocon
@@Slinky511nx7 How someone could pronounce it differently? Haven't heard any other version 🤔
Positives: Alonso seems to be serious about spending another 3 years or more in F1, which is good for the sport. And Piastri probably gets his chance. Downsides: Alonso's history in career choices...
How is it good for the sport? A bitter old man that doesnt produce and has done nothing but block young upcoming drivers.
@@mokaPCP "Bitter old man", seems you are taking this rather personal!
@@mokaPCP he’s not blocking anyone, Papa Stroll just wants to keep hiring mentors for Sir Lancelot
@@mokaPCP blocking young drivers😭 maybe because he is 10x better than any young driver?
@@mokaPCP Oh yes those highly skilled young drivers like Latifi, Mick, Mazepin and Stroll Jr. If Piastri was a world beater he would have already been loaned out this year. Who are these young drivers that are better than Alonso? None of them.
Damn, Alonso really did take that scuffle with Ocon in Hungary seriously.
.......I PREDICTED THIS AT SILVERSTONE BASED ON.......VETTEL WAS ENOUGH SO HE DECIDED TO LEAVE,AND STROLL'S TEAM HAS REPUTATION OF RETIREMENT HOUSE OF THE CHAMPIONS.....SO OF COURSE NANDO WILL GO THERE
...........SO,PIASTRI TO RENAULT AND DISPOSAL OF SAINZ THIS YEAR ARE MY NEXT PREDICTIONS
you mean queue of scuffles of course
i was thinking the same thing, i joked with my friends during race at that point "if Alonso catches ocon we might see him fly off track" :D
@@robotnikkkk001 Your caps do not impress anyone.
It does not take a day to do such a serious deal
Hopefully Piastri now gets that Alpine seat. Be good to see him be able to challenge Ocon from the get go.
lol we will see😀
Just wait till you see alpine screwing piastri to keep ocon happy
Not likely. Ocon is seriously quick and aggressive
@@nickenders2215 Ocon is an average driver and the worst team player in F1.
@@Euclides287 exactly
he is basically a mix of Bottas' mediocrity and Perez' unnecessary aggression
Stroll: Finally Seb is retiring I can beat finally beat a teammate!!
Daddy Stroll: *Hires Fernando Alonso*
Hahaha!! 🤣
What if they had brought back Sergei Sirotkin, now that would have been a move for the ages
Great video.
Only thing you’ve missed; Aston Martin more likely to brand a car for Indy 500 allowing Fernando to chase the triple crown which Alpine forbade.
This is absolutely insane! On the 2021 video game I signed with Aston Martin with Sebastian as my teammate. In my rookie year Vettel retired and Fernando came over to be my new teammate. It's so weird how similar it is.
life imitating art
Yeah, had a similar moment the other day, Sebastian Vettel announced his retirement during the Hungarian weekend in my MyTeam... A day before he did it in real life
@@arkangelgaming35 it's like the game knows the future or something 😂😂
The F1 prophet! What else happened in your game? We need to know!
@@matthewakers2659 Shit, then expect Leclerc to move to Mercedes, Norris to be the '22 champion, Piastri in Red Bull taking the '23 title and Williams taking the constructors for '23.
Exactly what Aston needed
Hope it goes well for Alonso there
And I hope Piastri gets the Alpine spot
He will....
@@ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI Yeah, Piastri to Alpine is a no-brainer
Alpine isn't the best team for Piastri, it's either Mercedes or Ferrari that could compliment Piastri's high potential
since alonso unexpectedly goes to AM, I wouldn't be surprised if in the end alpine choose Tsunoda somehow
@@beanlentil Piastri is a Renault development driver you nimrod.
Going off alonso’s history I fully expect alpine to be title contenders next year with the Aston Martins trundling around at the back!
that's the problem, Alpine is basically the French Ferrari at the moment, which only means their potential title challenge will fall flat on the floor even before it starts
@@beanlentil did you read the comment ?
@@beanlentil ye there Strategie and reliability is horrible even if they build the car they will anyways bottle it lol
yeah because Renault fought for the title after Alonso left the team in 2007 and 2010 right? and McLaren also went from mid-low table team to championship contenders in 2019, right? No.
literally except for McLaren 2008 no team has won the title the very next year after Alonso leaves. what fkn history are u talking about?
@@5iverk I did, and you didn't
Alpine (even as Renault or Lotus) have won nothing since 2006, not even a constructors title
also, the likes of Cyril, Prost, and now Alonso leaving the team should tell you how Alpine are nothing but hopeless
the fact that Otmar has not managed an actual top team before, should also tell you how inferior he is compared to the likes of Horner, Wolff, Todt, Dennis, and Briatore
even though what I said tells about Otmar's potential to be a top team principal, it also tells how much he can fail in that position too
Interesting that Renault/Alpine can't manage to keep their superstars (Ricciardo's and Alonso's moves out of the team are very similar), all the while keeping Ocon for... what reason? Just a bizarre situation all around.
If ocon wasn't french, he'd be in formula e
The only reason they’re keeping Ocon is because he’s French and that’s why Alonso had an uphill battle with the team
Ocon underrated
f1 fans will continue to defend drivers that have never scored a podium while shitting on a proven race winner lol
Ocon is pure talent....give him a rb or Ferrari and he will dominate..
Ocon has always been paired with really good drivers, so people dont notice how good he is, because his race positions are never consistent.
He was still a bit immature a few years bk, but now hes definitely championship worthy
The way I see it, here are the biggest pluses and minuses:
+ Aston : Having a driver of Alonso's caliber there will not only provide valuable car development, but if they are smart enough to keep him beyond his racing career, he will help develop the car even further (other examples are Prost at Alpine, Lauda at Mercedes, etc)
+ Piastri : He is all but assured a drive in F1 next year
+ (and -) Alonso: He's moving to an inferior car. I'm sure he is getting an obscene amount of money for it. The pro on this is that if he has a 2-3 year deal he may well see the car score a few podiums towards the end, maybe even a win? Schumache was nearly 44 when he got his last podium.
- (and a little +) Alpine: They are losing an incredible driver in Alonso. But they are still getting what seems to be a prodigy in Piastri
- Ocon: To me Ocon hasn't always seemed like the fastest driver out there. He will be partnered against a rookie next year. The pressure will be to beat Piastri because if he doesn't he may not see a contract extension beyond 2024.
- Williams : They were all but set to take Piastri and replace Goatifi. Let's hope they do still find a proper replacement for him. Maybe Nyck de Vries. Nyck really hasn't had much luck in this regard.
Just a few days ago, they made a piece on how Williams was taking a more serious look at Logan Sargeant recently. If anything, this might also be a plus for them.
greatest ''developer" for Mercedes was MSC
Neither Prost nor Lauda helped develop the car. Those two man were consultants out of the technical part. Prost isn't btw any more.
With all the respect I have for those two gentlemen, they both were mediocre team principals. Prost at Prost GP, Lauda at Jaguar.
Other than that, I get your point and agree with 👍
Regarding OCO, it's amazing for how long he managed to remain in F1 being beaten by every single teammate he had so far 🤔
Having Toto as a personal manager clearly has helped despite being average, at least in F1.
If Nick devry was good enough for a seat he would’ve got one years ago
@@sesvid Prost isn't and so is Lauda
Also worth noting the similarities between this and Ricciardo leaving the team in 2020. Two departures that aren’t exactly a vote of confidence in Renault/Alpine
hope this goes better for alonso than for ricciardo then lol
@@crystallised88 Lance isn't Lando lol.😂
Prost was removed this year, too.
Different sets of leadership too minus rossi
It is pure sentiment on my part, but ever since Renault came back I get the feeling they are 'totally committed to developing a winning car'.....nnjjeeaaah unless Renault management loses interest and cuts funding by 75% in two years.
Maybe this multi-year contract will be his last before retirement. So let's wish him the best because he gave everything so much with this sports his commitments, legacy, spectacular races his talents etc. Wish you the winning next year's Alonso
Alpine didn't deserve him. They wouldn't have had that win if not for Alonso.
They guy is over rated. Fat, slow and old.
@@rumblefish9 And AMR does?
I come from the future. Aston Martin have massively improved in 2023
Schumacher-Seb-Alonso-Lewis-Kimi-Jenson my blood boils when someone tries to make bad comments on them . They are my generation of drivers and only reason why I am still sticking with F1. I started watching F1 in 2004 just when Alonso was catching up with Schumacher. Before criticizing Alonso you guys need to think how driven he is to be performing at such high level and for so long.
Nobody would doubt Alonso's talent as a driver, but he has hasn't made a fruitful contract decision in 20 years. Hence, success at Aston Martin would be a surprise.
It is great that Alonso still has it. I hope his reactions can stay sharp for the next 3 years.
@@thesupremekai1980s Well Fangio was 46 when he won his last championship.
You know that there are people here whoom seen Lauda winning at Zandvoort before his accident. And Alonso is not a bad driver. But his mouth is his worden enemy. Telling 13 years now: I Will win Many races and a titel more. Hè is stelling more fried air than a stockbrooker at 5th avenue. The selfproclaimed Best F1 driver in history.
It's not speaking bad about him, it's more of a concern. Alonso still has a title winning drive just not a title winning team.
Most new teams, can take atleast 4-5 years to develop into title contenders. Aston will most likely use up both Seb and Alonso for development than rather competing. Who knows how long he stays, and 2026 regs effects, plus not having their own engine, and having an experienced knobhead as a teammate.
Alonso is performing at an ELITE level. So he deserves either 1) a front running team or 2) a truck load of cash. Alpine provides neither. Good for Nando for cashing in on his undeniable talent.
Honestly, Lawrence Stroll and Alonso are just the perfect F1 supervillain team. Wouldn't be surprised to see Briatore joining that party 😂
@Rizvan Myrtaj Briatore's strategy = dude Piquet just crash lmao just hit the wall in Singapore bro
Predicting Alonso will be 1 second ahead of Lance in every session. Alonso finds time, Lance loses time.
it would be a good thing if briatore was team principal again
Briatore is as legendary as he is infamous. Brilliant tactician too.
@Rizvan Myrtaj all of that is true but he is also known for under the table dodgy stuff. Prison twice for fraud and banned from f1 for race fixing. That's just the highlights as well.
Can’t wait to hear Alonso’s thoughts the first time Lance does something he doesn’t like. Good move for Aston and I hope Sergeant gets the seat at Williams.
Lance probably won't be anywhere near Alonso so it probably won't be a problem :)
@@bartonez123 and most likely will take notes from him on how to drive
I'm sure he will let us know on the radio and when he's out of the car and in the garage and in the media and social media and...
@@The_Curious_Cat well you were proved wrong, hater
Great news. Happy that Alonso will be around for a couple more years, and it also gives Piastri a decent seat.
Unfortunately there is a rumour that Ricciardo will go to Alpine Renault in 2023, and McLaren don't want Oscar Piastri, they want Colton Herta.
But will Aston still be around? In three years it’s ownership could be different.
More than a couple of years.. Im thinking at least 4 more
@@davidbrown8517 That would be an interesting (and disappointing) development. As an Australian, I really hope it's not the case.
@@alimantado373 Here's hoping! I like his old-school, no BS attitude, and he's still an awesome driver.
It seems clear now that both Dan and Fernando know something about Alpine/Renault that tells us they will never provide a race winning car.. why else would you leave?
They've failed to deliver competitive cars and achieve their goals in 2 different projects (hybrid era & 2022 new rules). the team hasnt even had the internal stability to carry out a winning project, which even Ferrari with a donkey like Binotto has achieved. 3 team bosses in 3 seasons. and they havent lacked good drivers, including their only and beloved world champ, which they've treated like trash this season
infact, if it werent for budget cap, Renault wouldve most likely pulled out at the end of 2020
honestly, looking at how they're treating their only ever world champ, im glad they're failing. that team and specially Otmar & Ocon deserve the absolute worst.
@Rizvan Myrtaj I'm a bit surprised you call Alpine obscure, maybe new to motorsports? I've seen a lot of your comments copied and pasted in various vids so I'll take that as a hunch.
@Rizvan Myrtaj lol, throwing insults will not suddenly make your points valid.
@Rizvan Myrtaj whatever makes you sleep at night
@Rizvan Myrtaj I guess Alpine is obscure compared to brands like Renault, Ford, Volkswagen or similar. But in the world of racing, Alpine isn't obscure (but the name change DID surprise me).
I agree with other points from your other comments, though. Alpine completely let down Alonso.
Honestly, it's good, it's better for Alonso. Im not sure if it's just my feeling, but ever since this season started, you can clearly see that Alonso is much faster and better than Ocon, however for some reason he was let down by the machinery, but also by his teammate and the team. It seems that something isn't particularly ok in the team, especially since Otmar came.
Alonso much faster than Ocon? He's quicker but only just. Its 8-5 in quali and Ocon is occasionally beating him in the races. Sure, Alonso has had some bad luck but he'd hardly dominating Ocon. AT best he's a tenth faster or pretty much even most times. Ricciardo was beating Ocon by a far bigger margin when they were teammates in 2020.
Pointing at Otmar is baseless unless you are an Alpine Insider spending his days posting on YT....
Here is the bottom line.
Renault has been pretending to actually give a shit about winning in F1 since Alonso left for McLaren in 2007...
2 0 0 7!
For 15 years they built 2nd-3rd teir motors and or half assed an F1 team..
Seems only Briatore tha weasel could get the Renault package right to mount a proper title challenge and defense..
Nothing since.
Renault was a logical step after Honda shit the bed at McLaren so ridiculously.. with any luck The AM deal will allow Alonso to perform where he is capable of soon freekin Stroll seems to not worry too much about investing in the team like no other in years.... The comparison to what Stroll has done to what Renault/ Alpine has done in the same amount of time must be stark.
@@areebsiddiqui758
Guess you missed the last race in Hungary where Alonso overtook Ocon and left him 6-7 sec behind. Every race he's ahead of Ocon (unless he has some car issues).
@@areebsiddiqui758 why do you lie ? In Q it is 8-5 for Alonso, keep in mind that he lost 2 of those 5 rounds due to mechanical fails. FYI if you do not count Wet conditions, every time ALO was faster in Q, it was on avg. 0.471 sec. Every time Ocon was faster by merit it was a minimal advantage.
@@Marko-od7eb Ocon outqualified Alonso but was a little bit slower when Alpine put on hard tires in the race. Overall they were fairly even. Ocon has legitimately been the faster driver at a few races this season. And even when Alonso is faster he's only just ahead of Ocon. Not sure if you can classify finishing a couple of seconds ahead of your teammate as "dominating him".
New Factory, new engineers from Merc and RB and the 3rd generation Merc engine with more hp and can run at max power for the entire race, smart move Fernando.
3 races, 3 podiums so far, and Alpine's drivers crashed into each other at the Aussie GP 😂
Oh, so that explains Ocon's defense against Alonso yesterday. In his eyes he was defending against Aston Martin
I came back to this vid to get a refresher of what the sentiments around Alonso's move to Aston Martin were now that we're two races into the 2023 season.
The fact that almost everything from drivers market predictions to how the idea of Aston Martin being in the fight for wins by 2023 is delusional is truly a testament to how quickly things can change in this sport and how unpredictable those changes can be. In fact, it's actually shaking my confidence in the prediction that Aston WILL get at least one win this year exactly because of how likely that seems.
lol, like their comment “you’d have to be deluded to think they’ll be competitive in 2023.”
Even better is the part about Piastri at Alpine.
This only makes sense for Aston as a manufacturer if you think about it
Bring in young talent to drive a sub par car? Or bring in a WC who can give proper feedback to develop the car
Like "GP2 engine!" 🤣
I don't blame Alonso for switching. I'm sure he's looking at this from may viewpoints. Personal/financial, job security regardless if at the moment AM is clearly inferior to Alpine, next year and beyond could be a very different story. We do know Lawrence Stroll is very serious about making AM a championship competing and winning team and his capital investment is evidence of that. Lots of capital doesn't guarantee championships though, Toyota and BMW can attest to that but it is necessary to have a chance in hell of competing against the RB's/Ferrari's/and MB's of the world. Let's hope for us longtime fans of Alonso that his gamble pays off this time.
"Financial security"...ummm. I'm sure he was financially secure a dozen years ago! XD
Alonso was AM's first choice and when he wasn't available, they went with Vettel.
from what I hear Law stroll is the reason the team sucks
Alonso just has a sixth sense for underperforming, money-burning teams
Wasn't that the idea behind bringing on Vettle? Literally their car got worse and worse, season after season. Driver makes no difference if the car is crap.
Alpine were treating Alonso like Piastri's seat-warmer.
The last of the Minardi boys. I'm just happy he's still racing.
Aston needs a senior driver who can bring the team together and also be good at developing the car .. it's a win for them
Vettel looks older and tired. He made the correct decision for himself.
That's not Nando tbh. Nando is a guy that just races and brings results, most often overperforming but he doesn't really galvanise teams, well not in recent years. Although tbf, he hasn't been at very good teams in recent years. I don't expect that to change either.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks he helped develop the Alpine car
@@LimitPro1 I mean yeah but Alpine is a complete unit with facilities, also for all the work they've done, they're still far from a podium contender, which is at least what McLaren and Ferrari were capable of last season and what, I am pretty sure Nando would like from his team. Going to Aston is likely another step back.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks to be honest I don't think everything is looking good at Alpine since Alonso pulled the same move as DR, add to the fact they keep firing staff.
This reminds of Riccardo's split with the team. Strange goings withing the team chasing drivers away the first chance they get 🤔.
It suggests something not quite right behind the scenes at Alpine/Renault. Both moves look like steps down from the outside. Ricciardo’s looked like a mistake, Alonso’s looks like a pattern.
Or it could just be about money.
As an Alonso fan, I'm gutted. Alpine's concepts and design have shown good potential, their development has been as good as any outside the big 3 and Alonso was able to showcase his outstanding ability in as high positions as he is likely to for the remainder of his career.
On the other hand:
a) Otmar's statements have shown a coldness to Alonso
b) their strategies have generally been as poor as Ferraris
c) the reliability of Alonso's car hasn't been great
d) Ocon seems more intent in beating Alonso than anyone else
e) the team doesn't seem too bothered about maximising their point scoring positions at the expense of Ocon's feelings.
f) Piastri is someone who Alpine can’t afford to lose
Do I think Aston Martin represent a step up? I don't. Vettel who I don't think is at Alonso's level, was able to work with a winning Red-Bull and a Ferrari that challenged the Mercedes, but wasn't able to make headway at AM, so it will be tough to see Alonso being able to, as he just drives around problems and probably will take satisfaction destroying another team-mate.
The reality is F1 is flawed. Always has been, but certainly since the late 80s/early 90s, access to a winning F1 seat is far too limited. That a driver with Alonso's freak abilities has spent the majority of his career in cars that are not able to challenge for wins shows the ultimate flaw in marketing F1 as a drivers series.
@@valerierodger7700 I’m not sure how his behaviour has varied from other champions who demand the best car? Let’s not forget Hamilton shared telemetry from McLaren and then won 6 WDCs, Prost won a WDC after being sacked halfway through a season, Senna wouldn’t sign a contract with a team that won him 3 titles and got his shot at the car he desired, Schumacher cheated multiple times, mostly got away with it, Vettel told Whiting to f*ck himself and barged into Hamilton behind a safety car? I would love to know where these angels are?
It is marketed as a driver series. Bar Ferrari fans the rest follow drivers and are led to believe they are difference makers. If you look at the likes of Russell, Ricciardo, Norris they have barely had a chance of competing for wins let alone championships despite their considerable talent, it’s a waste. Ultimately no one will know how good they are if they aren’t given a shot at glory.
@@valerierodger7700 He could have won the championship with Fererri but they THREW it away, just like they are doing to Le Clerc and the McLaren Honda was a complete piece of shit car, is that his fault? Come on your not winning this argument.
@@As-qz5lr It's Ferrari who lost him a title, not him. And no, this isn't his fault, you have to be neutral.
@@kohikappu I think you are responding to someone else
@@As-qz5lr Yeah, my bad.
Since Otomar came, everything has changed.
Alpine started as a hope and ended as a joke.
Still doing much better than Aston Martin curently are.
Renault has always been a joke in the turbo hybrid era.
I am rather surprised. Alonso has been doing great things at Alpine... but young bloods in the rear approaching too quickly. Still a solid driver in his years... hope Aston Martin gives him a similar opportunity
he wanted stability long term but alpine didn't want to give him that and just offered him a one year extension while in aston martin he has 3 years+more which has a exit clause if the team doesn't perform well for him which is a win win
@@maybach8537 Not to mention Alpine has been sabotaging Alonso this year. The endless reliability issues and team mistakes only on Alonso's side may have made his decision to move easy. He was always AM's first priority and they couldn't get him so they settled on Vettel.
I'm just happy to see Alonso will be racing for a few more seasons at least, and his track record of overdelivering with underwhelming machinery gives me some hope of yet another driver's championship for Alonso.
2nd fastest car or even third might do the trick
I think you’re dreaming if you think Fernando can win one last WDC before he retires. It ain’t gonna happen mate.
Aston martin has done nothing to make us believe that they will be a championship contending car in the next 2 years
@@Metal05 hater just let people dream
@@ilias-mu4vt how am I a hater you muppet? I’m just stating the facts. He ain’t gonna win in an AM before he retires. I actually like FA, but let’s be realistic. You clearly are not.
Am I correct in saying that Fernando will be the only driver to have raced with engines from each manufacturer?
yes, correct.
You are spot on my friend.
Well, if we can say whatever he did in his Honda engines was "racing" which imho is quite generous.
@@ivanmacgar6447 tbf, the McLaren Renault didn't fair all that much better because of the shitbox chassis which was made less apparent because of the GP2 engine
When Otmar said that Oscar WOULD be on the grid next year; that was months ago...
Vettel and Alonso's moves have clearly been decided a longer time ago than this week. Also considering there is a clip of Seb asking Verstappen for a helmet swap many races ago...
Who’s here after Alonso’s podium at Bahrain GP 2023?
Classic Alonso, nothing like leaving a team thats 4th in the standings to go find a spot at the back of the grid.
Astin is pumping lots of money for the next seasons. Maybe in his 2nd season for them, it could fight for top 3-4 teams
Alpine is fast because of him and now they prefer Piastri over him and probably didn't want to give him a multi year deal. Maybe they didn't even give him a deal. Combine that with Otmar and Ocon factors, it is only logical he leaves that team.
I don't think he had much of a choice. Alpine were eager to get *Piastri* in as quickly as possible. Can't imagine a generational talent like Oscar sitting on the sidelines for another TWO YEARS waiting for Alonso to finally retire!
He just wants to stay in F1 he can stay at AM for years
He must eithe rknow something that we don't: really want the $sss; or just fancy another 2 years underdogging. Hard to envisage, on current form, AM even matching Alpine on track for the next few years. Matbe AM are also hiring a technical Dream Team with a shit load of new cash injected, as we pontificate
It's great move by Aston. Replacing a champion with another champion & their push to become championship winning team, fits perfectly.
Alonso is a beast and would be challenging for podiums every weekend if he had the right car.
alonso is a old has been it's about time he retired
@@victoralexander848 Aston Martin don't agree.
@@jondonnelly4831 Neither do has been boxers they fool them self they can still be world champion and mix it with the younger guys instead they become punch drunk journey men can't rely on their reflexes anymore,what a shame
@@victoralexander848 silenced
@@F-F01 haha it's only one race wait till the season end before you get so excited, remember when alonso went to ferrari and won a few races he was giving it large saying "lets see who ends up with more titles" how did that went
Just like any professional athlete, they want that long-term security that comes with a multi-year deal.
I have to consider that Alpine wanted to move on from Alonso from the start in private, which is why he's actually going to Aston Martin. Despite Renaults subpar performance over the past decade, This makes no sense for Alonso. I hope it works out for him as an Alonso fan. But this is nothing short of a bizarre move.
Alonso does as he has always done, make bad choices of teams!
@GregoryMoore in how many years though? 2? When he's going to be 44? Aston comes from so much further than nearly every other big manufacturer team, the others won't just wait for them to come back
Hope you are wrong here
fair point, but take the context. renault and alpine have been stuck in the midfield for a long time now, they barely improved from last year to now. aston on the other hand will have a massive new factory/facility before the start of the 2023 season, and a brand new wind tunnel facility by summer 2023. seb made the commitment too early, alonso could be in a great window
@@wasru. yeah but you are missing the point. Renault has been making progress since McLaren overtook them in 2019. They got a win and podiums. Now they are still a good force in the midfield. Aston was good in 2020, but they've had back to back regression years. Even if alpine is still far from the top teams, aston is currently fighting for who's being last in the championship. That's way too big of a gap to bridge in only 3 years. McLaren managed it in 5, Williams is still in the dumpster
@GregoryMoore are you being paid by Alo or AM to write the same comments over and over again?? lol
With Alonso’s track record Alpine is going ballistic next year, Piastri rookie WDC?
@@aosorea Hamilton
I think this is good for Aston Martin. I'm not sure it's good for Alonso. He seems like exactly what they need to get their program in order.
I don’t think Alonso will drive for free.
This is probably quite good for him.
I'm 100% sure he's not driving for free. I think his goals are more about competition than cash though. If they listen to him and move forward, this could be a good thing for him, but he won't be happy mired in the back of the field.
Ironically, given his age, Alonso can wait a year or two for the Aston to get into race winning shape.
@@JohnFromAccounting I agree. And he’s a good driver to get them there. Now the question is if they can capitalize.
@@BlakeMcBride It certainly is a gamble, but worth it to all of its fairness.
Lawrence Stroll wants a winning team and so as Alonso, and they will build that vision together.
Watching Aston’s pace at the end of the races there’s something going on with the car. There’s some real weight and downforce issues but I think they are trending in the right direction. Look at how they are on the edge of pushing more upwards with every race. Stroll is always on the back of Ricciardo.
Sure but the other McLaren is usually 3-5 places ahead...
You know which other team is already 3-5 places ahead... Alpine!
The only issue I see at AMR is Stroll getting the preference. We've seen how despite Vettel developing the car, it was Stroll that would come out on top and it was mainly through strategy. I really hope Alonso's driving proves this wrong and shows just where Stroll stands vs where Alonso finishes.
Alpine: takes Otmar Szafnauer from Aston Martin
Aston martin: Takes Fernando Alonso 😂
Everytime alonso joins a new team, the fans will be optimistic but its usually the opposite but now given his history choices, just when everyone expects the absolute worst, it would be the opposite. you never know!!! time will telll
Nobody expects AM to be good though. He will be a backmarker for sure
How did that go...
@@LegendarySnipez7000 it went phenomenal!!!!
Alonzo wants to go fast. Because if you're not first then you're last! 🙏🏼 go for it!
To be honest, i'm just happy to see Alonso continue in F1 for some more time. With Vettel and Raikkonen retiring, there's not many old foxes left.
Frankly, he is THE only one left (Hamilton still has a few years before he can be legit considered an old fox considering how far back Alonso's career stretches)
Honestly, Alpine's loss. They keep Ocon, a mediocre driver that doesn't know how to play for the team and lose someone who could be the ideal mentor for Piastri. They've been preparing for it for a while now, with Otmar saying he didn't decide on Alonso, hinting he didn't want him there, plus again, allowing Ocon to do what he's done this season when fighting his teammate (It's ok to fight against your mate, but not if it means that the team loses time in the race or that you're putting both cars at risk). Now let's wait for Audi to buy Aston Martin and let's see what happens.
lol ocon is a very good driver u are just sleeping on him and i think he will get lewis' seat in 3 years
@@stwebster3259 there's no way he gets a seat at Mercedes after a reputation of being a shit teammate in 2 teams, and zero defense even if someone had a gun at his family.
I honestly thought he could surpass Pierre, and maybe get the Merc seat but he's been ahead on a faster car, that's all
I actually believe Ocon is a great training wheel for rookies, this guy can let everyone else passes easily while defending his teammate like a lion, truly one of a kind. If you know how to dispose of Ocon in the same car, all other overtaking becomes easy.
@@Nanorisk i like the way you think.
@@stwebster3259 there is no way he would want to be the wingman of russell though, its some drama waiting to happen.
Good one on Vettel for freeing up his seat for this very promising young talent!
Should have a bright future ahead of him! I see him winning 2 championships!
@@user-eh1gc7xo7q no more, no less!
Alonso leaving lowers pressure on Ottmar for delivering the results and if that was Ottmar's goal it speaks very poorly of him. I do hope Alonso made a good decision this time. Overall the Stroll Motors must still be a basket case of a team if Vettel chose to leave it behind instead of milking it to the end as he clearly could have.
Wow.... A veritable truckload of baseless opinion there, well done.
AM can't be that much of basket case if Vettel directly suggested Mick as a replacement to Stroll Sr.
Seeing Seb and Mick have a strong relationship I can't see Seb recommending Mick go into a bad situation.
Neither Alpine or Aston martin are going to challenge for titles in the next 3 years. It makes no real difference to him wether he finished 5th in a race or 9th
@@RaptorV1USA Well. It's 'if', 'hope' and there are plenty of stories out there that everything is not calm and quiet under micromanager Stroll Sr. So this comment does make sense.
@@sindersins3383 perhaps VET tried to save MSC by deliberately creating vacancy
I feel De Vries would be a great option if Logan Sargeant doesn't win F2 this year. I can foresee that if De Vries gets the Williams seat, him and Alex would be a great pairing that's sorely needed by Williams on their path to rise in the constructor standings. In 2024 or 25, Alex may then consider moving back with the Red Bull family, or perhaps even get poached by either McLaren (to replace Danny Ric), Mercedes (~statistically non zero chance of Hamilton retiring), or Haas (if Mick makes the move to Ferrari). This now opens up the seat to a more prepared Sargeant.
It's incredible to think just how much Alonso vacating his Alpine seat uncomplicates the driver lineups of two teams, one of which isn't even remotely related to him.
De Vries would be a good option indeed esp since hes on waiting for LH retirement witch is not happening anytime soon i think. if De Vries can get a couple of season in the meantime thats good as Merc needs time.
thier future is having Russel as the main racer with De Vries
@T S You don't win any championship, even junior formulas while being "slow as fuck"
I would love to se theo in alfa and Zhou in a williams i think he isnt good enough for points team but williams could benefit from him with all him money and marketing
@@ehrlichgesagt863 you couldn't be more wrong, he's had reliability issues and an accident for not his fault, other than that he's been consistent, clean, and bringing the car in points every now and then. Theo might get the seat if Zhou moves up or Bottas retires
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 but still not faster then bottas i dont say he is bad but not a world beater theo has woth 18 year 160 points and 4 races to go if he has a decent run he could be around piastris points (i think he will finish with like 215) thats insane for that age i am sure he has potential of a max or at least charles level of driver they need to give him a seat or meec will steal him!
With a multi year deal on the cards, if Alonso hadn't of taken the seat then surely Ricciardo would have gone.
Aston are making great efforts to build a decent team, hopefully that will come to fruition.
The move makes perfect sense to be honest! Alonso was only ever going to be holding the seat for Piastri as it was evident Ocon and Piastri are the future for the team! Aston Martin gives Alonso the chance to be number 1 driver again and most importantly on a huge multi year contract!
Good vlog! Very insightful and spot on.
Alpine have improved so much - and Aston have shown so little improvement. This was all about dollars and years . Fair enough . I’m just happy this opens up a seat for Oscar which was well deserved 🇦🇺
For an aging driver, dollars and years mean everything. Not that he hasn't made quite a bit in his career, but retiring in your 40s does require a nice nest egg. Plus no athlete wants to give up the sport they dedicated their life too. So if they will let him do it longer, it's a no brainer.
It's not only dollars and years (although both of those are legitimate reasons), it's also Alpine being openly hostile towards him.
@@TheGrejp examples? you mean the inaction of Ocons aggressive defence?
Actually, AM have massively improved their infrastructure and have staff from RB. They are building a massive factory just across from Silverstone if I'm not mistaken.
Alpine has gone from 5th to 4th, only because Ricciardo is having a horrid season. This looks like their ceiling.
Big reason why Alpine & Alonso hadn’t come to an agreement was probably that Williams weren’t certain on taking Piastri since Sargeant has been doing so good in F2. They probably wanted to wait and see what happens in F2 before making a decision, but Alonso surely wasn’t keen on waiting and understandably so.
Alonso shouldn’t even be a question anymore when you have Piastri there, it’s ludicrous, sooner you get Piastri in the Alpine sooner he performs. I don’t know why the prolonged it when Piastri is going to offer more than Ocon or Alonso ever will
@@MaCcAM40a3 Offer more? Piastri is untested. Did you forget who won Alpine's first win for them? If not for Alonso defending against a much faster Hamilton in 2021, they wouldn't never have had that win and they know it. You 🤡
Would be hilarious if Piastri ended up like Vandoorne 2.0
@@rumblefish9 yeah but by saying that he means long term, Alpine could have 4-5 years of Piastri for what they paid Alonso in one year, he means that Piastri is the future number 1 there. However I agree with you, I think its way too early to talk so highly of Oscar, let’s at least see him do an FP1 before people say he’s better for alpine than Alonso or Ocon, he could flop like you said.
@@MaCcAM40a3 sorry but have to disagree, Piastri has done everything right so far but he can’t be compared to a 2 time WDC with 32 career victories, that to me is ludicrous. We’ll probably get to see Oscar in 2023, having sat a year out won’t do him much bad as he’s been well influxed with the team, partaking in constant testing, probably more than every other driver.
Alonso doesn't make strange career decisions - he makes the singular decision available to him. No other team was going to take him. He wants to stay longer than one more year. Simple. One could argue he went to McLaren for similar reasons. No other top team wanted to offer him a seat.
The reason is money. He wants that daddy Stroll money. Simple as that.
"This car lovely to drive"
Given Alonso's history of picking teams, this is a great omen for Alpine.... I'm off to put a tenner on Alpine for podiums in 2023 🤣
yeah just like they did in 2007 & 2010 after Alonso left right? oh no, they didnt
@@aggerktm They took some podiums in 2010 in fact but eh, Alonso finished higher on both occasions.
I saw lots of people joke “they’ll make Alonso their next old champion” last week and now it’s come true 😂
Remember there were rumours and a leaked document that Fernando was approached by Racing point (Aston Martin) in 2020 before Vettel was available
Was just thinking about this Alonso can help with wind tunnel development and giving very valuable feedback to help develop the car over the next two years ! They can only get better not worse they are already at the back of the grid now! 🤷🏻♂️! We will see I hope they do get better for the sport and everyone involved!
He's a great aerodynamsist
I mean i think we see that aston have a way better future they gain over a sec on laptime in that year now being racepace wise in the fight for 4th but obviously there quali is still a bit shit. While Alpine started like exactly next to Merc and couldnt even keep up with them....a lot of reliability and bad call already. I think we could see a good alonso getting some podiums there
@@therealquaid1694 haha. I was literally going to comment the same. Can just imagine Alonso in the wind tunnel, with a pencil behind his ear and a furrowed brow as he trawls through the aero data from the latest run 😂😂.
@@paulm3395 thought the same as you both. We all know how passionate Alonso is about CFD and modelling for wind tunnels.
"Alonso can help with wind tunnel" Is he an expert in fluid dynamics?
In a way Alonso solved Alpines dilemma of getting Oscar a seat. Even though losing Alonso is not ideal it might be the best bet for the future, in the same way when Alonso left Mclaren it opened a way for Lando to join the team. Oscar has a good driver in Ocon to compare to and learn from. Oscar is the future Alpine will want to rely on.
AM : So, Nando, Seb is leaving do you want-
Fernando : Yes. Announce it.
The wealth of experience Alonso will bring to AM and the progress the team will make with his input as well as being a very quick driver, is very smart move for AM.
Hope we now see
- Piastri/Ocon at Alpine
- Albon/De Vries at Williams
Only main question is if Mick gets another deal at Haas now that AM is off the table
Excellent report, much better than the 'inside line'. Thank you.
Fernando's gonna make Stroll look much worse than Seb or Perez ever did...
Eh, Stroll's been up and down with Vettel, but Perez made him look like a pleb. Back then you could argue youth, but not anymore.
I think this is generally a win for Aston Martin. Of the experienced drivers available, Alonso is probably the best bet and is unquestionably motivated by winning. Although there are questions over his ability to work harmoniously with teams, I think Aston will see an opportunity to get what they can from him. If it doesn't quite work, then there's probably a break clause. From Alonso's perspective, it's clear that Alpine are a bit of a structural mess, and I'm sure that Stroll makes a compelling argument with his winning mentality.
Whether it actually works out is less sure. Alonso hasn't made the best judgements in his career, and I think he gets sucked-in by the emotions of it all.
"Questions...Work harmoniously with the teams" thats pretty much bullshit when everyone who's worked with him says he isn't disruptive. Pat Fry, Stefano Domenicali, Andrea Stella, Mark Temple, Rob Smedley and others have said that Alonso gets along with the team. Do yourself a favor and watch the documentary of his last race with Ferrari. He gets along with the team and in fact people have called him a natural leader. Stop believing the British propaganda. If he didn't work well with them would Mclaren and Renault have gotten him back?
One thing I noted, Alonso gets to drive all 4 power units in V6 hybrid era if Aston keeps the Mercedes PU next year.
Nice video. Keep up the good work.
It's obviously a shock signing but when is it not when it comes to alonso
Piastri should've replaced Ocon and spent two years alongside Alonso. I don't understand why Alpine signed Ocon so long and didn't make this lineup happen.
Alpine is French, Ocon is French.
In fact I'm sure there's some in the Alpine board (and I don't exactly mean the F1 team or Szafnauer, but the Alpine brand itself) that are wetting their underwear at the very, very slim possibility of signing Gasly to have an all-French team.
Disregarding the fact that Gasly and Ocon don't really get along to say the least.
Anything can happen, and Alonso's seen more of Alpine's internals than any of us, but this looks like a bad career move. Alpine seems to have a good car concept this year, and has the better of McLaren at a bunch of tracks. one wonders whether Danny Ric will jump to get his old seat back at a team where he felt better in the car. Alonso staying isn't a tough one, but whether Danny ric should stay at McLaren is - it'd suck to jump ship again only to be way slower than ocon because the car has changed.
He said he wanted to make help Alpine back to the front of the grid and judging by the history of his career decisions hes basically just guaranteed their car next year will be amazing
whats that dumb logic? he left Renault twice and the year after they were nowhere near fighting for titles. Ferrari didnt fight for titles until 3 years after Alonso left, so what history are u basing urself on? not the actual one, thats for sure
Aged well eh?
The comments are so funny now.
I know everyone is talking about Alonso's bad career decisions, but I really really really hope this is like a Lewis to Mercedes kinda thing, one can only hope.
Exactly what I thought.....I do hope so.
Damn i was wondering if i was going to have my questions answered about the move and boy did I ever. Great coverage !
"I have watched as the team has systematically attracted great people..." Did Laurence Stroll write that?
Gotta hand it to Fernando. He's already got the AM marketing angle down pat.
I've had high hopes for AM since the rebranding, and want them to succeed, and while I might be snarky about it I think this is a great move for both Fernonso and AM.
Aston has taken lots of talent from Mercedes and Red Bull. They also have Martin Whitmarsh.
Very simply, he left because of Ocon. The team did not behave as a team. And Alpine will never progress like that.
lmao what? He left because he wanted a multi year deal and Alpine CEO Laurent Rossi only wanted to keep him in F1 for 2023. He certainly didn't decide to leave cause Ricciardo passed him because of Ocon's strong defense yesterday. If you believe that had anything to do with the decision you're delusional. Probably a DTS fan.
@@areebsiddiqui758 Well, that's what I'm talking about, he defended himself against Alonso and let the others go by him as if he wasn't in the race at all..
@@nurnberg1561 But that's something completely irrelevant. It had literally nothing with why Alonso chose to leave the team. he wanted a multi year deal. Alpine only wanted him for next year before bringing in Piastri. Are you thick in the head?
I feel like there could be some awesome performances next season with Alonso in the Aston Martin AMR23, but this is something that possibly won't end well. I feel like issues between Alonso and Lance could result in an early termination of the contract, at which time Alonso will want to find another time to finish up with.
Let’s hope for the best. Would really like to see him back on the podium on a regular basis again.
Hopefully Logan will finish well in F2 and get promoted into Williams next year. Also good for Nando, I think he will do well at Aston
All of the points said sound like excuses why he joined AM and left Alpine. I think he joined AM because Alpine didn't want to give a long term contract to a 40+ year old, even though he deserved it. Alpine is to blame for this and if they had given him a two year contract by now, he would be still driving for them.
Alonso got just a simple request, a multi year deal. Alpine is not willing to give him that.
+ Alpine's treatment of Alonso has been disgraceful, on top for vomitive comments from Otmar and Ocon almost putting him in the wall in 2 races. Alonso got fed of it, simple as that. if anything i'm surprised he hasnt walked away yet
At this point, with the amount of resources AMR are committing to F1, I think AMR might be a better get for Audi than Sauber would be. Sauber are a privateer first and foremost, while AMR are looking to turn themselves into a full on manufacturer team with facilities and everything. While AMR has future aspirations in F1, it might also be the ideal ticket for Audi given their own aspirations if AMR already has everything in place. Given how Aston Martin F1 is literally just a branding, could we see AMR switch to Audi branding?
I am eating my words today. Just last week I said there is no way Alonso would go from a 4th ranked team to a 9th, but he's done it. It seems a bit crazy, but "as an older driver" who wants to stay in F1, if someone is telling you, we're giving you 2 years, for X pay (which I'm sure is higher), and you're going to be head of the team, and we'll help build a car around you, I guess you take that deal and run with it. Happy for Piastri too who has been cooling his heels on the sidelines--hope they slot him into Alpine and maybe the likes of Logan will drive for Williams.
Alonso's move basically confirms Alpine will deliver a race-winning car in 2023 or 2024
yea just like they did in 2007 & 2010... oh wait no they didnt :)
@@aggerktm It's just a dumb joke about his bad luck with moving teams, mate
Mclaren and Alpine and the other 4 teams will never win another championship until they invest as aggressively as AM are doing or we get a surprise like Brawn. AM are the only team I see making the the top 3 into a top 4, and hopefully Alonso can be there at the start similar to how Michael was there for the start of Mercedes.
Good move for AM not so good for Alo. If you remember Schumi never got to reap the benefits at Merc. AM isnt going to challenge till 25 or 26 at the earliest by which point Alo will be in his mid 40s.
@@rocinante4609 Fangio won 5 chamionships , starting when he was 41. Jack Brabham won his third when he was 40.
@@john1703 completely different time period though, drivers were on average older back then
@@rocinante4609 age is just a number.
@@john1703 it’s not 1950 anymore bro
commitment to win i dont see them have the commitment to win this year or in the near future, but let see what the future can hold for aston martin
I like this switch because the AM car looks nice. 3/4 best looking on the grid imo
Everyone wins, happy for AM, Alonso and Alpine with Piastri
I’m interested to see the team dynamics next year at Aston Martin! You have the owners son on side and two time world champion on the other ! 🤔😂
Why would there be any tension in the AM garage? Lance Stroll is the boss' son, so he'll keep his seat no matter what!
the stroll family is quite close to alonso actually, so from the get-go there won't be any problem... and most likely, lance will be taking notes from what alonso does
You and WTF1 released the same video at the same time lol. Both are great vids. Oscar Piastri and Logan Sargeant 2023
Gotta admire Alonso, totally ruthless risk taker. Would love to see him in the mix with front runners again but I just can’t see it happening. Hope I’m wrong.