The REAL Reason Voldemort Didn't Kill Snape HIMSELF - Harry Potter Theory
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- Hey everyone, welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory. Today we’re going to discuss how Voldemort went about killing Severus Snape. Snape’s death is a BIG topic in the Harry Potter story, and when he died it was a truly tragic moment in the series. That is unless of course you don’t like Snape.
As you progress through the books and films, your perception of Snape is constantly challenged- is he good? Bad? What are his intentions? And in the end, it turned out that Snape was almost more devoted to the cause than anyone.
Snape later dies in the Deathly Hallows, after Voldemort comes to the conclusion that he will need to kill Snape in order to become the true owner of the elder wand. However, we do also find out later on that Snape died in vain, as he was never the true owner of the elder wand after all - and was simply unnecessarily killed by Voldemort. However, what was always interesting about Voldemort killing Snape was that he didn’t do it himself-he used Nagini.
So we know that Snape ultimately dies at the hands, or mouth (rather) of Nagini on Voldemort’s orders. But what I found unusual about Snape’s death was the very significant ABSENCE of Avada Kedavra AKA the killing curse. Voldemort is a massive proponent of the killing curse, I mean.. he can’t get enough of it, and it’s very purpose is to kill. So, why wouldn’t he use Avada Kedavra on Snape? Instead, he uses Nagini to finish Snape off? Why?
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He respected Snape, and using avada kedavra takes anger and malice for the individual.
We all know why he couldn't use the killing curse for meta story reasons but in-universe, I always took it as Voldemort showing respect. Being murdered with the killing curse, that's the final fate of the commoner, of the enemy, of those you'd want to just get rid off. Never would he have a loyal servant as Snape suffer such indignified end. Dying by the killing curse, that's beneath Snape. No, if Voldemort had to kill his servant, it would be a way that was noble, special and unique. Like, being killed by a being so glorious it is the symbol of one of the most important wizards in magical history, Salazar Slytherin. Yes, Snape deserved a death, that would honor him, his master and their House, so being killed by a serpent commanded by Voldemort would be perfect.
But previously he's been using "death by Nagini" to kill the teacher in Muggle studies. Like, the absolute lowest of the low?
@@Uberdude6666 Actually, he didn't, not in the novels at least. Charity Burbage was levitated above the table by Voldemort, humiliating her prior to casting the killing curse. After she dropped dead on the table, he summoned Nagini to feed her dead corpse to the snake.
And that places both deaths at opposite ends of the spectrum. Snape received a snake bite that caused him to bleed out, due to the wound and the poison that hinders healing but was further left to be undisturbed. Voldemort didn't cover up the murder, didn't dispose of the body. Burbage was humiliated in front of an audience, killed with the killing curse in an almost nonchalant way, almost as an afterthought and in the end, fed her corpse to the serpent, leaving nothing for her family to bury, simply have her disappear without a trace. One had a honored death by snake, the other was simply turned into a meal post-death.
The closest comparison to her fate, is the one that befell Barty Crouch Sr. who was killed and had his body transformed into a bone, prior to burial.
Ah okay, I forgot about that. That is a difference, yes@@BjornV1994
Nagini is one of the horcruxes aswell. So it would seem even more special for Voldemort, to kill his most devoted servant with a part of his own soul
@@himynameis3664 True!
Simply because JK needed Snape to be able to give his memories to Harry. Authors privilege.😂❤
It's was bad writing
@@rayhoyer4829 funny since millions of people bought and love the books 😄
Maybe check your own grammar before criticizing someone else's writing? .@@rayhoyer4829
@@johnpowell2431doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good writing. I love the books and the movies, don’t get me wrong. I watched the movies before I read the books, and when reading the books, I just had many moments where I cringed hard and actually preferred the storytelling in the movies. Not saying I could do better of course, just saying some things weren’t my taste, or appropriate in my view. E.g. Ron and Hermione’s first kiss scene in movie vs book. Both bad scenes in my opinion, but book was way worse 😅😂
I watched the movies first also and love them. Seen them at least 100 times each. Just reread the books and love them more. As far as I'm concerned it's JKs story so I look at it as if that's what really happened. It's perfect as she wrote it. Anything else is just fan fiction. Even though I might not like certain things it's what she wrote so I'm supposed to have those feelings. Basically it works just like real life. Hell if I didn't accept it as written I would not be interested in it at all. That's just how I look at it.❤️
Because if thought Snape was its master he was concerned any spell aimed at its master would rebound to protect him. Given previous experience with a spell rebounding on him he did not want this fate again.
Then why did he keep using it on Harry even after Harry told him he was the master of the Elder wand?
@@MrSaints74 in movie Voldemort didn't know Harry or Draco were its master, only the question if it belonged to another. In book Harry proposed it as a question if Elder Wand knew Harry disarmed Draco (Voldemort could have assumed Draco was still its master thus didn't think any harm in attacking Harry).
@@donaldfrederick501i always get mixed up with what was in the book and not the movie. You make a good point.
It might go even deeper. Voldemort didn't think the wand would betray it's true master, and may have feared the curse rebounding on him and ending up as in that weakened state again; that was how he died (Harry used Expelliarmus while Voldemort used Avada Kedavra, but his spell rebounded because the wand wouldn't betray Harry, he was too proud not to use Avada Kedavra in front of everyone). As for why he used Nagini, a piece of his soul was inside her, so her killing Snape was kind of like "him" killing Snape.
Excellent point I was thinking something very similar about that part with the duel with Harry, especially if he still wasn't sure about the wand..didn't make sense to me either
I like this theory best
I completely agree. I was thinking the same
"...it's really the wand that chooses the wizard, of course." - Ollivander... Grindelwald did not lie (in a manner of speaking) to Voldemort when he told him "I never had it.", because he didn't. Grindelwald had the wand in his possession, but he never possessed the wand because the wand never chose him. That is why Voldemort couldn't detect his lie because Grindelwald had told him the truth. Grindelwald never truly owned the wand and he now fully understands and knows that. That is why Grindelwald said, "But my death will not bring you what you seek... There is so much you do not understand...". Voldemort could never be the owner of the wand until he defeated Death. Death was the only true owner of the wand because Death gave the wand to oldest brother. The wand never chose him so Death was the only true owner of the wand. This is why Harry became the new, first true owner of the wand when he died in the forest, defeated Death and returned to the forest alive. This is why the Crutiotis Curse did not effect Harry as the wand would not hurt it's master. This is why Voldemort's killing curse would not hurt Harry and rebounded on Voldemort because Harry was the wands master...
So here is my book/film theory: No human is the master of the elder wand. Only Death is. I think that Death made a powerful wand, perhaps the most powerful, as it could mend other wands. But I think the buck stops there. I don’t think it has any allegiance to anyone but Death. I think that it was the pursuit of the power that caused it to have so many owners. I think that Death itself made it powerful in its own right but was its ultimate master. I think Death knew, as with the resurrection stone, that it would cause the death of the original owner and looked at the resulting legend which would claim even more people for himself as being a clever trick. This was why Death was ‘outsmarted’ when the cloak was taken from his own because he didn’t think that the third brother would be different from the first two. I’m patting myself on the back for this one…
Outstanding video. It lends more weight to Voldemort's cold "I regret it" statement; gives him a faint flicker of humanity, however twisted. Definitely would like a video re: the book vs film versions of Severus's death.
slight point here... you said "Snape died in vain". I don't think his death was in vain. By dying he convinced Voldemort he now had control of the wand which is what led to his defeat. In other words, his death was critical to Harry's victory.
Imagine if he knew it belonged to Harry. The one wand he wanted belongs to the one person he literally can’t kill lol.
on 4:31 you quote something, I assume it's the books, it says: "So even if you were disarmed while carrying it... it has developed an affinity with you that it won't give up easily", but that's exactly what happens when the wand switches from Dumbledore to Draco. I really like the movies and the books, but the way the ownership switches from Draco to Harry is ridiculous to me. Harry simply takes some random wands from Draco's hand, the elder wand was not even in the scene... It doesn't make sense.
As I recall, it was because he thought the Elder Wand wasn't going to obey him, so he had Nagini do it instead. Voldemort didn't realize that the Elder Wand followed its own code about who it would and would not bond with; he thought only the killing itself would bind the wand.
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Actually, I think the answers even simpler if he had used the killing curse, Snape would not have been alive for Harry to talk to him after
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Amazing video,fantastic job.
Carlin brothers did a theory on all 3 curses, based off some digging another theorist did. The peveral brothers created them. Just going to cliff note that but in essence the brother who made the elder wand made the killing curse which is considered "unblockable" because he wanted to win all his duels. The second brother made the torture curse, not as a means to torture someone but as an outlet for the emotional torture he was going through after creating the stone. The third brother who made the cloak just wanted to be left alone and made the imperious curse, this curse was described as being pleasant, as if experiencing ultimate bliss, while not being aware of what you were being asked to do.
It's a fascinating video.
Because Snape is the most powerful wizard of the age. Created 7 spells, with counters. Is beyond potions master… most likely taught Voldermert how to fly without a broom, which Snape learned from Lily, Voldermert could never read his mind correctly, which I think Voldermert knew. Also, he had to respect snapes powers for being able to hide his thoughts from Dumbledore, in Voldermert mind… you have mean it, is what Bellatrix told Harry about using unforgivable curses… I don’t think he could bring himself to mean it against Snape. He even tried to let lily live for Snape, and said that he and Snape spoke about it and Snape agreed to move on.
It'd be so funny that Nagini became the master of the elder wand and he'd have to destroy his own horcrux to master it
As always, very nice video. I, also, think he did not personally kill Sbape out of respect for him (although your other points are also valid). Would love to see a book vs movie video. Thank you for spending so much time and effort in putting out these videos.
Cuz Voldemort thought the elder wand may not obey him and kill its owner
Yes I kind of agree with this, except, you said it out right, win a duel the right way, that could be so many thing's, killing or just beating in a match, which could be the disarming spell, voldemort didn't know Draco disarmed Dumbledore, if he did find out Draco would have been killed instead.
Snape knew all of this and said nothing knowing full well that him dieing was only going to save Draco.
You can say what you want about Snape but he's a real one, so much so that he actually knew what Dumbledore's plans were, he was one of three people Dumbledore trusted with everything, the other two were McGonagall and himself.
Because, to the Dark Lord, Snape was his most loyal and capable servant. He earned whatever time a mortal wound could grant him. It was a sick twisted mercy. One that only someone obsessed with their own survival can appreciate.
One flaw in Voldemort's plan: Severus Snape was never the true owner of the elder wand. Draco Malfoy had disarmed Dumbledore before Snape killed him. Yet Draco wasn't the true owner by then either, as Harry had defeated/disarmed Draco earlier on The Deathly Hallows.
The elder wand does not kill its owner, you either have to win it in a duel or kill the owner by some other means. All previous owners were beaten in a duel or killed by other means, stabbed in their sleep and such. The elder wand was used to try to kill Harry, the true owner of the wand, but rather killed the piece of Voldi that was inside of Harry.
What i dont get is how voldemort after killing snape didnt realise that nothing changed like he said himself he felt the wand resisting him
But that shouldnt have changed after killing snape?
And im pretty sure that voldemort was clerver enough to put together that if it wasnt killing the old owner but beating(so disarming or killing) the last owner which would mean that he shouldve known that he had to go after draco
So why didnt he?
I mean he only called the ceasefire because he thought he was gonna beat harry this time
You really gonna tell me he didnt atleast try it out on smt to make sure it felt differend now?
Seems like a plothole to me
(And yes voldemort is overconfident but u would think if he was paranoid enough to kill snape bc it didnt feel right he wasnt gonna risk losing without testing it)
i agree, it is a plot hole that he didnt sense the wand's allegiance changing like he did prior, yet he clearly used it a lot afterwards, so he definitely had a lot of opportunities to piece things together and realize that someone else is the master.
I had the same question, because I thought Nagini was a chick who turns into a snake...so if that's the case wouldn't of Nagini been the true owner if Snape had been the owner? (Even if Nagini was just a snake forever now she used to be human right? Does the elder wand realize this? I feel like it wouldn't...)
If you ask me this in theory could of been a huge oversight by Voldemort, because if Snape had been the true owner and Nagini had become the owner, then he would of had to kill one of his horcruxes in order to master the elder wand...there's no way he could of known whether or not Nagini was still viable to become a owner there just wasn't that level of research on the elder wand I don't think. I don't remember hearing anywhere that Maledictus can't become wand owners.
i agree with this theory. It was just dumb that Voldemort risked Nagini becoming the elder wand's master by having her kill Snape, yet she was a wizard too.
If Voldemort had to kill Snape himself to be the true master of the Elder Wand wouldn't making Nagini kill him make Nagini the master instead? Stupid move on his part icl
That's rather logical
But remember. It was Draco who disarmed Dumbledore so the Elder Wand answered to him.
I wondered that myself when I read the book, it's like a black hole that was ignored. That would make longbottom the true owner of the elder wand due to the Sword kill.
nagini is a horcrux and contains a part of voldemorts soul and the wand has its own will and wants to be used by a strong wizard and not by a snake lmao. the wand would sense the part of voldemorts soul within nagini and would be loyal to voldemort
@@BeastcookieJokes nah thats cap
" Only I can live forever."
There is a massive hole in Voldemort's thought process in thinking that Snape was the Elder Wand's true master. Voldemort himself saw through Gregorovich's memories how Grindelwald took possession of the Elder Wand. Grindelwald never killed Gregorovich he stole the wand from him.
I have to believe that Voldemort would have used Legilimency on everyone on the astronomy tower that night to see exactly what happened. Which means that when he probed Draco's mind he would have seen Draco disarm Dumbledore. One would think that Voldemort wouldn't take any chances and had someone kill Draco the moment he saw that Draco was still alive when they marched to the castle after Voldemort had thought he killed Harry.
Boy, that could have been a hell of a redemption for Lucius Malfoy...
Voldemort see Draco and orders one of the death eaters to give his/her wand to Lucius and orders Lucius to kill his own son. Lucius points the wand at Draco, his hand shaking badly. Lucius is unable to pull the trigger and instead turns the wand on Voldemort who quickly disarms Lucius and puts him in a full body binding curse and forces him to watch as he orders Greyback to kill Draco. Greyback stalks Draco with his teeth bared. Lucius struggles and breaks free of the body binding curse. Lucius tackles Greyback and tries to fight him bare handed but is no match for Greyback. Greyback mounts Lucius and mauls him badly Draco tries to get Greyback off his father but is knocked down. Greyback raises his fists about to deal the final blow to Lucius when a voice rings out AVADA KEDAVRA!! A jet of green light strikes Greyback in the back.
Grayback topples over dead and all eyes look to where the shout came from where Narcissa Malfoy is standing with the wand that was knocked out of Lucius' hand.
Narcissa looks at her son with tears in her eyes, knowing what is about to happen and says something similar to Lily Potter's last words to Harry when he was a baby. 'Draco, never forget that I love you so very much'. As she says the final word Voldemort screams, AVADA KEDAVRA and a jet of green light strikes Narcissa in the chest and she crumples to the ground dead right in front of Draco's eyes.
Fighting resumes between the death eaters and Hogwarts fighters. Draco drags his battered and beaten father out of harms way. He wants to join in the battle but he is wandless. He looks around for anything he can use as a weapon. Dracos' eyes fall on the tattered sorting hat. Draco picks the hat up and much to his surprise the glittering ruby encrusted hilt of the sword of Godric Gryffindor appears to him.. Not because he's a true Gryffindor but because "help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who deserve it".
Draco pulls the sword out of the sorting hat and charges at Voldemort who is dueling three opponents at once. Voldemort orders Nagini to kill Draco. The snake lunges at Draco who swings the sword slicing the snake's head off. Furious, Voldemort tries to kill Draco but a powerful shield charm springs up around him. Voldemort looks for the source of the charm and Harry pulls off the invisibility cloak and is standing next to Draco. The final battle between Harry and Voldemort commences and the rest is history.
In the aftermath Harry and Draco talk. Harry takes a guess as to why Draco was able to pull the sword of Gryffindor from the sorting hat by reciting what Dumbledore told him about help being given at Hogwarts to those who deserve it. Harry repairs his own wand with the Elder Wand and gives Draco's wand back to him. The two would go on to become friends and bond over having both lost their mothers to Voldemort's violence.
Lucius Malfoy survives his injuries but bears the scars. Mentally he would never fully recover and live out his life a shell of his former self.
If you’re rocking the title of master or lord even a dark one. How is it that Tom had no idea about wands? The primary tool of witches and wizards? All the dueling and duels that happen daily even in school with kids being taught how, no one ever realized how wands worked except the people selling them?
Voldemort needed to kill Snape, but he didn't want to duel him. He didn't have time for a duel. He realized that if he had pointed his wand at him, Snape might have had time to dodge and run away. He chose a faster way to kill him.
If Draco became the owner of the elder wand by disarming Dumbledore, why didn’t Voldemort just disarm Snape instead of kill?
If he had too much respect to be able to kill Snape, how did Snape kill Dumbledore? Can't be it, it just doesn't add up.
Snape killed Dumbledore out of respect. He promised Dumbledore he would. It couldn't be any other way
@@SilkyJohnson625 Why would the killing curse care about respect of all things? You either have to hate someone or... respect them?And if you don't mean respect but any reason, it's not like Voldermort didn't have a good reason.
I hope someone can explain this to me. If Voldemort thought Snape was the true owner and he needed to kill him for the wand to change loyalty then why would he have someone else kill Snape? Maybe I'm wrong but while Nagini has long transformed permanently into snake form she is her own entity. Is it just because she is a halcrux too?
Because it didn't fit in with the plot line Rowling needed for Harry.
This has not really anything to do with this theory. But here's something I've been wondering about, and I can't find an answer anywhere.
1. What happened with Kreacher (the house elf who originally served the Black family) after the second wizard war?
2. What happened with Grimmauld nr 12? (the house Harry inherited from Sirius)
these questions sound random as hell, and harry potter has no shortage of random questions, especially after the last movie.
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If you have to truly mean it or hate the person for an unforgivable curse and Voldemort might have had too much respect to be able to preform the curse then how did Snape kill Dumbledore? It seems like Dumbledore was his only true friend after Lilly and someone who Snape have very high respect for.
You have to really mean it. And Snape really wanted to keep his promise, as well as sparing a defenseless Dumbledore from the likes of Greyback. To fullfill a dying old man's request and showing mercy and compassion to your only partner in crime left... yes, i think Snape really meant that.
For the simple reason that he wanted to be cruel and make him suffer.
Because then Snape would have died instantly and no longer had the opportunity to give Harry his memories.
I want to comment before watching… you have to mean the unforgivable spells… Voldemort had a genuine love or affinity for snape, he couldn’t summon enough hate or ill intent to produce an effective avada Kedavra
Voldemort lacked the capacity to love.
Yes please... make the video!
I actually never once doubted whether Snape was on the side of good or not.
It was his bullying of children which he was supposed to be responsible for, his blatant discrimination of non-Slytherins and his generally unpedagogical methods which clearly sabotaged the educational growth of children like Harry and Neville, for example, which I took issue with. I feel like Snape-fans always misunderstand that.
Btw if Snape really was the owner of the Elder Wand, wouldn't getting Nagini to kill him just make Nagini the master of the Elder wand..?
I saw in the comments that Nagini would have taken control of the Elder Wand after killing Snape, if Snape was the true holder, which is what I was thinking.
I like the theory but it’s incorrect. Nagini kills Snape only because Voldemort commands her to. the act is done through his will, not Nagini’s.
The real reason is so Harry could get to Snape while he was dying and get the memories... in the words of Pitch Meeting, it's so the movie can happen
it doesn’t make sense for Voldemort to use a wand that he knows is failing him, against the person whom he thinks is the true master of the wand.
It’s a fool proof way of killing him, from Voldemort’s point of view.
Sounds like pitch meeting was trying to make a video happen.
@charlestaylor7117 disagree, I'm a huge Harry Potter fan but Voldemort swears by magic... it's clearly just so there can be a moment between Snape and Harry in my opinion... your theory does make sense though
Hi! I was wondering of you could address this query of mine in one of your upcoming videos, in case you haven't already.
So, in the Chamber of Secrets, Fawkes came to save Harry from the Basilisk, for which he punctured its eyes, therefore making its stare harmless. But, in an effort to do that, the Fawkes must have had to look into the fatal eyes himself. How did he manage to puncture those eyes without getting killed?
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Because it would have not mattered who killed him as long as snape just died which would make him the owner because the rest of the owners already were death
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I would like a video I like the books scene better. I noticed if they kept it the same Harry and Voldemort would have attacked Snape in the same location. That is if the Prisoner of Azkaban source material matched I only read the 7th book
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What if Crabbe's Avada Kedavra killed Hermione?
I’ve never understood that part. If he honestly believed that Snape was the master based on Snape, killing Dumbledore, then why did he have the snake kill Snape? Cause then the snake would be the master, not Voldemort it doesn’t make any sense.
Well if the snake killed him the the wand would be the snake’s .
Yeah
Please! Do it!
Watch the video first! X
simple avada = no suffering
voldemort sometimes doesnt want you to just die, he wants despaire
Reading it makes it worse Snape was my favorite 😭
Snape could not tell him that the true owner was Draco😮 because of the unbreakable curse
What if Snape escaped and fought back?
I don’t think I’ll ever be convinced he actually died.
What about book version dis proffesor Snape killed himself?
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Cos he thought rightfully that the wand wouldnt kill his master, i think this ones pretty obvious
Yeah it's kinda wild, just think if harry never got his memories. So convenient that he wasn't killed quickly and had time for a blubber.
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But the Elder Wand was not taken from Dumbledore in a duel. Perhaps it”s allegiance had not changed from Dumbledore at all. Except.. it’s not really useful to have allegiance to a dead person.
Draco disarmed Dumbledore, but not oi a duel, Dumbledore had no intent to resist. By disarming Dumbledore, should Draco not have the Elder Wands allegiance? Dracos wand changed allegiance to Harry when he disarmed Draco, not because Draco was killed. So.. Perhaps Voldemort should have killed Draco to get the wands allegiance. Not Snape. Snape probably knew this, but didn’t want Draco killed by Voldemort.
You also have to remember that Severus Snape promised and made an unbreakable vow to Narcissa Malfoy to protect Draco
He didnt die in vain. He died as a trick.
So you're saying that Voldemort respected Snape more than Snape respected Dumbledore?
Thanks for repeating your other videos....
If Voldemort had Arvada Kadavra'd Snape's arse, then we would have never found out about his creepy crush on Lilly and all felt that pity when he said "Always" for having the same Patronas as Lilly. I personally loved the montage of Snape in the book and the film... such a complex character, and Alan Rickman (RIP) was just amazing. I heard there were more scenes where he had acted them to develop Snape's story more, but they were edited out. Perhaps less is more... but I would love to have seen them, for my own curiosity.
It's just another J.K. Rowling's plot hole, if he had killed Snape with killing curse, there's no way Harry can access Snape's memory.
The Elder Wand never belonged to Snape. Draco disarmed Dumbledore that night, so the wand’s allegiance was with Draco. Until Harry disarmed Draco, the wand answered to Harry. The wand never answered to Snape.
He died like a jackass!
Easy answer is that Snape had plot armor. If No Nose used the killing curse Snape couldn't pass on the memory.
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It’s crazy how so many people state that Voldemort didn’t use the elder wand to kill Snape because Voldemort was expecting state being the master of it, and the wand, not wanting to kill it was never stated in the books and Voldemort never had that inner dialogue so I don’t understand how people are assuming that he was thinking that way when it never said anything about him thinking that way lol
So dumb and filled with inconsistencies. When hp disarmed malfoy, he didn't even have the elder wand. The author was just looking for a way to make hp the hero and came up with an excuse that created a ton of plot holes. Im surprized why no one made any comments about it.