How to Use RedGard Waterproofing Shower Pan Liner
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2021
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Hey Guys This Is a Unique Shower Mud Pan Divot Method, Basically Without The Traditional Pre-Slope But Effective Way. Propose For This Method To Avoid Moisture To The Shower Mud Pan. This Particular Showers Are Being Done This Way Giving That This Place is A Assistance Living Facility And The Less Mold The Better. This Method Could Be Done To Any Shower.
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www.egformula.com/products/waterproof-fracture-fabric
Where i can buy this fabric liner please and thank you
The link that you put.. it say sold out
Hell who needs tile? That looks great! Excellent explanation! 10 out of 10 stars. You da man!
Thanks Man I appreciate that! 💯
Probably one of the best videos I've seen so far. Keep it up and thank you for sharing!
It's amazing how everyone does showers differently. Cheers!
I've always wondered if you could do a redguard shower pan! This is awesome news lol, great video! 👏👏
Very very informative on how to effectively use the redguard on the cement pan. Kudos to the shifu (master teacher).
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Cool thanks man
Thank's. really good video I wish you were in NY lol
Nice job. Very close to the same procedure i use.
I prime the slope bed and concrete backerboard with a thinned coat of Redgard mixed 4:1 water to Redgard as per their recommendation.
And i apply a total of 6 to 9 coats on the floor.
I do not cover the entire floor with fabric though. I cover all seams, corners and the drain only.
I do like your process though. Perhaps ill add that to mine.
Peace of mind is worth the extra effort!
Great job, guys. I have no doubt thats a watertight shower.
9 coats? What ? Why?
@@jcsego1370 - because the manufacturer calls for 20 to 30 mils thickness on the shower floor, or atleast it used to. And when i first started using Redgard i determined it took 6-9 coats, applied with a brush, to achieve that thickness.
I dont just do showers. I do lots of other things as well and generally have other things to do while building the shower so its never been an issue for me to apply a coat of Redgard, go back to something else while it dries, then return for another coat in a couple hours over the course of a day or day and a half, the usual time frame it takes to build up 6 to 9 coats.
Thats the practical reason, the empirical reason or atleast MY reasoning for it, is that the shower floor sees considerable compressive forces bring applied. The static weight of the tile, the dynamic weight and lateral forces of one or even two 100 to 300 lb persons.
Then there are the slight movements of the house during expansion and contraction from temperature and humidity. All these things can have an effect on a waterproof membrane which is attached to the shower slope bed on one side and the tile/mortor on the other OVER TIME.
And not knowing exactly what happens to that material (Redgard) in 10, 20 or even more years, leads me to believe a thicker layer of it, being its my ONLY 100% waterproof layer, is a good idea, so.......
Fyi i also do not like to have a hard transition from 6 to 9 layer thickness of the floor to the 2 or 3 layer thickness of the walls. I feather each of those 6 to 9 coats up the wall from about 6" to 12" or 16" to prevent having that potential stress riser of an abrupt boundary between the two.
This is just the system that i arrived at after many years of use and revisions to my technique. Its what im comfortable with and what ill continue with as ive never had a failure or issue of any kind. It works, plain and simple.
Is it overkill? Probably.
Is it necessary? Probably not.
Does it let me sleep like a baby after each shower job? Absolutely!
Thats worth the extra half a day to build up a few more layers imo, even when im only doing a shower at that particular job.
Well... i understand you concern with the redguard but trust me, with one of those cheap orange roller you can get 14 to 20 mil each coat, i like to do two coats wich adds like 35 mils normally, personally i prefer use redguard speedcoat on the shower pans and regular redguard at the walls ,is quicker ,thicker and works great, after 2 hrs you can do water test, our company did a 56 stories bulding with 25 bathrooms each level with this system and works like champ!!! Only like 4 showers didn't pass the water test but was because the finisher didn't apply correctly at the corners , besides that no concerns , and i fall sleep like baby every day to without doubt.
@@jcsego1370 - i dont like to apply Redgard or Speedcoat in heavy coats like that. It greatly increases drying time and the potential for cracking. I can apply the 6 coats minimum to achieve the required thickness in a 8 hour day or by noon the following day which is perfectly reasonable and like i said, gives time to handle other projects during drying.
Well i tough you're saying you like to follow the manufacturer specifications, which is two to three coats . Of minimum 26 mil total
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excellent technique! Gracias Amigo : )
Is the preslope mortar/ mud the same that goes on top of pvc pan liner?
I did this method and it worked great thanks.
Fantastic. Glad to hear that
Where can I buy the shower pan fabric liner?
Are you waterproofing blue board ? And I’m curious why you dig that whole around the drain it will be filled up later ?
Ever use Kerdi over this redgard divot? Would save a lot of rolling the rest of the pan.
Please add a video on making the flange divot. How do you determine the thickness the pre-slope mortar? Great video.
Thanks for the request, iv been Contemplating about what kind of video I should do next lol..
There is no pre float with this method. It’s a single “final” float with a divot that cancels where the pre float would.
I like your method. But we all (tile guys) should be reevaluating RedGuard as a sufficient waterproofing. Latacrete HydroBan is far superior. More expensive, yes. But huge upgrade from RedGuard. I've seen RedGuard fail. Properly applied too.
Failure is from user error
Excellent video - what was used for the walls?? durock? Hardieboard? I see that it was OK to allow the wall to go benneth the pre slope mortar deck. Will it wick water?? or will the redgard prevent that. thank you
For walls they used DensShield boards, and yes some walls went down below and it's fine because the idea of the divot method prevents the mud from holding moisture.
I did my shower similarly. Sloped mortar bed and then I used Aquadefense instead of Redgard. I did numerous thick coats especially where corners met. I didn't use non-fracture fabric, didn't occur to me that I should now I'm wondering how it will hold up. Did the drain area numerous times as well. Water tested it for 24hrs and verified no leaks from below. Then used shower pan approved thinset and tiled over.
It's been 2 years and it's holding up fine. That said, I do occasionally have a paranoia. Anything goes wrong and you're tearing out the entire thing.
Yeah I hear you lol you should be fine aqua defense is good! The fabric is very helpful but its only a reinforcing method in other words not technically necessary. Sounds like you'll be fine 👍
Is this system used for dry pack?
What it do. Solid video with good explanation bro . If over a wood sub is it ok to use red guard(as pan liner) over preslope then run my wall denshield over that followed with a mud pan then red guard again? That sound right
I would prefer denshield first but doesn't matter as long as after preslope and denshield then you can integrate with redgard pretty much as shown in video 6 inches up around perimeter and preslope.
I start redgard after denshield and preslope are done. Redgard after mud isn't necessary unless you just want to do it.. I wouldn't because then the mud would take longer to dry if water happens to get trap between coats would happen mostly around drian area because you can't integrate the coat thats over the mud with drian properly...
If your trying to protect the mud divot method is the way to go Or you can do traditional way which sounds like thats what your doing which is perfectly fine but I wouldn't redgard over mud I would just do the preslope correctly with redgard and denshield then just finish it with mud.
I hope I explained that correctly lol.. probably not lol.. my next video may be exactly preslope and mud traditional and ill explained everything there.. thanks for watching bro.
@@egformula
Thanks for the reply! That’s makes perfect sense and I feel lot better cuz I was bangin my head over thinkin it. Haha keep it up Tho Brody u got a satisfied subscriber here.
Can you apply red guard on plywood floor before pre-sloping. I’m afraid if I pre-slope the floor without protection it may ruin the floor due to moisture. Great video
Yes you may use redgard on wood just to protect the wood. Don't forget to bond the Pre-Slope mud with thinset motor over that redgard.
However it will still need the redgard application over the mud done properly which i assume that will be the case anyway. 👍
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Where do I purchase the fiberglass fabric?
can u link materials?
Dropped the brush..gotta buy lunch
It would be easier to use a flange drain like Kerdi drain. How did you make the divot thing around the drain? Did you use a frying pan or something like that?
I used the bottom of a small bucket. The bottom circumference size to fit the drian without flange removed it. Then I turned bucket upside down so that I can use a str8 edge when mud packing then pulled it out bucket before mud dried and used a trowel to the edge of drian because it has like a little lip and scrap mud at an angle all the way around.. I will make a video on the mud pack I have one already just have to edit it.. if you want some pictures sent give me an email ill send u pics to better understand
You DO NOT go thick with Redgaurd all in one application as it separates at the seam breaks-several thin coats are required as per the manufacturer..
In your experience do you have to wait full cure time? Like 28 days?
Seems like half that would be good but let me know.
Yes typically you can install after its dry but I think what they mean by curetime is as far as no water should be getting to and sitting on redgard till the 28days for full cure, bcuz iv tested pans not only 24hrs after applying but even waited up to nearly 2 weeks and even then the redgard still turns into a pink blemish color mostly spotted indicating that it may not be fully cure.
In new construction homes or buildings using redgard should be fine by the time they actually use showers but for residential I would assume as long as the installer could grout fully and caulk all perimeters so that even if they use shower as long as water doesn't get to the redgard then it could meet the 28days of cure.
I could see it being a problem if water gets to the redgard and start sitting on it before the 28days. Hope that made sense lol
If you're going to take the care of putting the first sheet over the drain and overlap it with the main floor sheet, why would you not use that same method around the edges and put the edge strips over the main floor sheet? Doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't you want the edge strips to overlap the main floor sheet?
The main sheet does over lap the edges perhaps i should have done the main sheet first than edges after as I show in my other videos, the only difference here is I did the edges first then the main sheet but regardless the main sheet overlaps the edges and once waterproof is done it all integrates. The 6" edge strips go up 3" and down 3" and main sheet over those. I will agree perhaps I should have done the main sheet first and edges next but doesn't mean the main sheet isn't going over the edges, it does.
I just did my first coat and have one little spot where the fabric kinda didn't lay flat can I just cut that section out and redo it how do I fix
Yes, Most definitely
What about the wheep holes?
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Hello, I see that we installed green drywall in the shower, is there no problem with that green panel?
Green drywall isn't that great, but it is allowed in showers however I or most good Installers wouldnt recommend it. If you already have it tiled i would recommend that they caulk every corner in that shower and perimeter around shower floor to help prevent Leaks. They make matching caulk to match grout color.
Care to drop your email? I had a few questions to ask! Thanks for the video too, it's very helpful to see someone using the divot method instead of the traditional liner method.
Egformula@outlook.com
Thanks for the video… What is the name brand of the fabric?
Yeah I’d like to know too. Is it Henry’s 195 polyester fabric?
www.egformula.com/products/waterproof-fracture-fabric
Red guard also makes their own fabric
Sr after you spread redgard how long can you leave it without cover or tile....I read that it must covered within 72 hours or it will peal off...please let me know how you do it...or if it's that sensitive...thanks
Indoor not that sensitive at all, last for days pretty long while not hours. However outdoor direct sunlight definitely will have a bad effect but its not pealing.
@@egformula gracias hermano!!! llamé la compañía de redgard y me dijeron que no lo deje más de 3 días..no importa que sea dentro del baño...es trabajo muchas horas y me toca poner los tiles poco a poco...gracias por tu ayuda
yeah go around the HOHO. oh my bad he's meaning to say around the drain area
Hahaha 😆 🤣 Go Around The Whole Hole 😆 🤣 😂
Do I have to fabric the entire walls or can I just redguard?
You can just redgard, the fabric is mainly use for cracks or between boards etc.. and Pan
can you put the link to the paper strips?
www.egformula.com/products/waterproof-fracture-fabric
I thought the red guard won't dry when covered? Aren't you stopping air from getting to red guard so it might not dry....
No not stopping it from drying at all the redgard bleeds through the fabric. This fabric is also a custom building product meant to reinforce the redgard, also stop redgard from cracking when applied too thick.
@@egformula so maybe the fabric allows air....I know this is not a tca approved method, I mean using the 3 piece drain with a single float red guard but I like it...you are good
Can you tell us what fleece that is ? And where you got it ? I'm about to do my home shower this way if I can get the fleece in a roll that wide
www.egformula.com/products/waterproof-fracture-fabric
Where are you located?
Florida, Sarasota & Tampa Area
So you did only one coat? and isn’t a thick layer a bad thing?
Yes but only without the fabric is a bad thing, the fabric keeps it from shrinking to the point of cracking as it would if no fabric is used.
@@egformula can I apply two coats?
@@21gonza21 most definitely multiple coats is definitely good
Dam that’s a lot of red-guard.
Wonder if tile will stick on to all
That red. I’ve heard of guys that don’t even use it. Because they had one case were they used red guard outside up stairs. applied it over the waterproof board next day all the
Tile was popping right out.
I told them maybe they should have added some prime so that it would really grab on to what ever it is your applying it to. Anyways’ me my self
Have never had any issues with the red stuff. But never add that much. To
Whatever I’m water proofing
Apparently, if you don’t use modified thin set mortar over the red guard for the Tiling, you can have problems.
Research this point before doing your job
Where did you get the fracture free material?
www.egformula.com/products/waterproof-fracture-fabric
"Put it on thick." How many millimeters is "thick"?
19mm for shower pans
@@egformula I hope you meant 19 mils, not 19mm!
@@jbmull did I say mm? lol
Bro your way is so different then anything else on here lol
Yeah most of the stuff I do is big commercial jobs and most ppl don't really make videos on that I figured ill do it because in the commercial industry there's alot of information that works for both commercial and residential.
@@egformula Well I’ll give you credit you are OCD with the details which is good!
Hook me up with a Job !.
Well done. I just used the red guard. The smell is so bad I would never use it again. Yeah it is that bad. They do make respirators that blow in fresh air from outside. Get one if you want to use this stuff.
Well redgard is not for sissi doesnt bad
If u add it on to thick it can crack and
Bubble up. Not good guys
Thats the propose of fabric so it doesn't crack otherwise it definitely would.
theses mf's got they outfits right..😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Excellent job but I’d go broke doing that job . There is no way for you to prove that your job is better than vinyl . I can install cheap vinyl in less than an hour and forget about it .never had a comeback in 40 years unless sloppy Sheetrock guys punctured it .