Batman Venom - The Real Batman Who Laughs
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2019
- Welcome to Casually Comics today we take a look at a classic Batman story arc from Legends Of The Dark Knight, Batman Venom. Just what led the caped crusader down this path? Is it any good? Tune in to find out!
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Obvious Villain Scientist: “Take some pills, what’s the worst that can happen?”
World’s Greatest Detective: “Okey-doke!”
New headcanon for Batman's fluctuating ability to talk to people: it's just his wildly unstable mental health.
Headcannon? I’m pretty sure that is canon lol
I absolutely adore you for making these videos because here in Germany, it's super hard to collect comic books, especially if you don't live in a big city. I can barely find them in stores and buying them online is really expensive. Oh, the woes of being a nerd...
P.S.: please never stop doing the Batman voice - it cracks me up every single time
There aren't many comic shops even in the US these days. Almost everyone just downloads them. I really like having physical copies of comics, though.
Now I want a crossover event: Batman on Venom vs. Captain America on Ice. lmfao
4 issues, just 4 issues, please!
Batman on Venom vs Venom on... anyone.
Imagine them hanging out in the Watchtower or Avengers Mansion and recounting those experiences.
@@brianl8481 No no, hear me out. Venom on Batman on Venom
@@brianl8481 batman on venom vs venom on moon knight
@@ProjektTaku I’m not sure Venom on MK would work, too many personalities in MK already.
5:19 To be fair to Alfred, I reckon he puts up with Bruce because he keeps hoping one night Bruce'll come home and says something like "You know what? I'm getting too old for this, there's a ton of superfolks out there - I'm gonna retire as Batman" then Alfred can think "Finally, he's come to his senses!"
(Plus, y'know, Bruce pays him for all this)
Batman fights a shark...and no mention of shark repellent bat spray? Such low hanging fruit, I was sure it would be picked...
As someone who's been in lockdown since March... Batmans real superpower appears to be accelerated Beard Growth
High T. Goes through all kinds of razors.
and hair growth...and losing weight instead of getting fat when coming off steroids...
I always felt in my head cannon that Alfred was a Whovian, and a fan of the Hammer Horror movies
Who do you think his favourite Doctor would be?
@@CasuallyComics I'd say probably the 3rd Doctor, both have a great dry sense of humor. But he probably enjoys Jodie's run so far.
@@CasuallyComics Do you know his cannon age? I know Bruce is like 35. So 65?
@@Estarfigam I think hes 67 but I'm not two sure
Only a *FAN* of Hammer Horror? The man was probably personal friends with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing,
The old adage "whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" seems to apply here. Bruce was younger and THIS experience as well as many subsequent trials gave him the discipline and mental armor to BE "Batman". Bruce seeks out and "dares" anything to beat him. He doesn't back down or give up. It stands to reason that caution is something he's learned from experience. DD isn't the only man without fear!
So you used the C word in reference to Batman. I have known for years that at his core compassion compels Bruce. His withdrawal is not unrealistic. This whole arc informed me that someone understood Bruce beyond the cliches. Compassion seems to frighten the comic book community, I don't know why.
I think they underestimate their audience. The writers who make compassionless edgy Batman think their readers can only take toxic masculinity. Or believe in it themselves, a la Dark Knight Returns.
@@George_M_ - I was in a wheelchair when I went to see Rises. Needless to say I rolled out on that movie. Getting to the theater was a logistical and physical challenge. Rolling out of Dark Night Rises mid-movie was easy. I don't think the writers actually know what compassion is. A writer always writes about themselves, ultimately, and Bruce's empathy is not their experience. I loved the Venom arc. I got clean'n'sober in 1982.
I wish it was shown more
@@altalia07- me too.
I think the time the story takes place changes the context a lot. A Batman that’s been doing this for a year or so is a lot more likely to fall for this then one whose going on almost a decade of experience.
I love this storyline so much. Not only is it a prototype for both RIP and Court of Owls (Batman's experimentation, the cave/maze), but also it's a Batman story where he's fighting opponents legitimately on his level who see right through his gimmick and exploit his weakness. But it's also a Batman story where he overcomes that through struggle and hardship rather than luck and plot holes. And it's a story where we see him care about people, have irrational guilt, and get hurt by his own untreated mental illnesses. While Batman experimenting with drugs was a new idea at the time, the further idea it spawned was brilliant and imo that does even improve this story. Of course he would fall victim to addiction at some point if he's been trying _everything_ because he will take any edge he can get. This is a snippet of how he became crazy prepared Batman.
Personally, I never thought batman was unemotional, I've always seen his kindness. Batman may not talk a lot but he cares about Gotham and it's citizens and it shows. I remember reading a comic towards the end of the New 52 where the children of Gotham adored Batman. So that character trait is still there. It actually reinforced my image that batman *is* a father to his boys and a mentor to his girls. They all love and respect him but they're close enough to see and see-through his shit.
Personally that blue beetle comic where Jaime explained to his friends that Batman wasn't humourless he just had a *dry* sense of humor was one of my favorites. Because it came from a kid outside of the Bat family. And it occurs to me: Bruce can *only* laugh when he's not being Batman
What issue of blue beetle was it? Because I can totally see Batman’s prefer humor is dry humor.
@@legoben98productions np idea. It's been well over ....seven years? Love, when you notice time passing you *really* notice it.
Batman is compassionate. Amanda Waller told Terry in the JLU episode ‘Epilogue’ that for all Batman’s tough exterior, she has never met anyone who cared for his fellow man more than him. He does what he does for more than just avenging his parents, he genuinely wants to help the people of Gotham. He cares for them, risking his life every night to protect them. He does what he can to rehabilitate his enemies as well, just not all them want to. In that same episode of JLU, he sat with Ace as she was dying, holding her hand until her time came. If you can’t picture Batman comforting a scared child, then that’s not Batman.
It's canon that Batman has a special pouch in his utility belt specifically for Batman trinkets that he gives to kids so that they won't be scared and that they know they can count on him, because he was that scared little boy once.
Your grim'n'gritty Batman voice made me laugh everytime, move over Christian Bale! Keep up the good work, Sasha; you are funny, beautiful and nerdy.
Batman doesn't need Venom to fight a shark, he just needs some Bat Shark Repellent.
"If only I knew someone more powerful than a locomotive who could hear me call for help from the other side of the world. Sorry kid, there's nothing I can do."
i agree but batman must had something in his belt for that rock i just believe this was just a separated line
This is the biggest problem with shared universe. Especially for batman. The existence of superman makes any issues bats may have null cause logically he could just call for help lol
@@skaionex Unless you explain why Supes is gone every single issue.
Ahh, at this point in the timeline (during Batman’s early years) it can be argued that Clark hasn’t gone public as Superman in Metropolis yet or even met Bruce
Supes was probably kicking Red-K or something, lmao.
I have immensely enjoyed this storytime with Sasha. Also:
"No! Don't take away the Venom!"
"I feel SO STRONG!"
"It burns! It burns!"
'the kindness of batman' would be a kickass story arc title!
Contrast it w a cover showing Batman like, dangling a criminal off a skyscraper somewhere, he's grimacing and holding the pulverized criminal up by his shirt... The Kindness of Batman! Bam! Sales thru the roof. I'd buy it.
ah you forgot that Batman manipulated Porter into giving him the tools he needed in the room by talking about how he'd need weights to build up muscle etc.
They could have connected Knightfall to this story saying that the Venom experiments in Santa Prisca's Pena Duro prison that created Bane were continuing Porter and Slaycroft's research.
In addition to Batman speaking softly to confort kids, he also has various Batman trinkets to give to kids so they won't be scared because he was that scared little boy once.
I know this is an older video and probably this post wont be seen, but I have to say, this was one of those defining Batman moments for modern age version. Right up there with not saving Jason from the Joker and having to live with it. It made him stronger overall, but I also think it would also define the brood push everyone away Bruce we have today.
And I'm in the camp that Batman would take something, especially since he would do anything to achieve his goal. At this time, it would be his physical limitations. He was vulnerable mentally because of the kid he couldn't save. He saw a direct answer to his problem, so he did it. It's very "human", but not the kind of human that we saw with the Heroes in Crisis story. Where in that story, it was no longer about "supers", but people with problems. A comic book is about relating to the character who wears a cape, not about bringing that cape to the real world. Which would break the immersion and create a more nihilistic connection. This had struggle and redemption too, even with it's more depressing overtones about the scientist and general.
I've been a comic book reader for 42 years, and an avid fan/collector for 30+ of them. Your video's are GREAT!
In Batman Inc. Batman injects himself with the man-bat serum, so he'll do it!
I found this one when I was 15 and it changed how I saw batman. So glad someone is talking about it because it's a tragically beautiful story
The way you read *"...then you're the man of tissue"* totally creeped me out XD
Great job, you should be a horror narrator.
Thank you Sasha for being the rare person who correctly calls collected runs of comics Trade Paperbacks instead of Graphic Novels.
Seems like a great mini series to read in detail. I like would like to see more of this kind of Batman, the same brooding person, but not like god tier Justice League level. This comic reminds me of a Spider-Man comic where Spider-Man goes into a flooded sewer to save a little kid. It flashes forward to some scientists who find one of his web shooters he lost in the sewer and in the future he was a major iconic hero. They think he was like Batman, with a hideout, a ton of gadgets, and they make an inaccurate assessment of him. It flashes back and forward a few times; showing it took everything he got to save the kid. Battling the rushing flood waters and only thinking that he has to save the kid before he drowns. Spider-Man saves the kid and gets him out of the sewer with the cops and medical team waiting for him at the top with poring rain. Spider-Man hands the kid over to the cops and never gets a thank you. He's exhausted, has cuts from sharps objects in the sewer, his costume is ripped, and he lost a web shooter. He stands there alone with no gratitude while in the future they think he was like Superman, loved by everyone.
Sasha, I'd love to see a video about Mr. Fantastic. Specifically why you dislike him. I can't stand him either.
Lol don't give me that kind of power
Casually Comics Oh, but I am. Knowingly and willingly. 😂 Take him DOWN.
WhiteRaven696 This video needs to happen.
Casually Comics - with great power comes great responsibility - take Mr Fantastic DOWN!
I too hate Mr Fantastic, and cannnot see what Susan sees in him.
Plastic man, the other stretchy guy uses humor and fourth wall takes to underscore how ridiculous this super power is. Plastic man can be flawed, while Mr Fantastic, much like Cyclops, is a leader of a team of characters that are way more interesting and more powerful than him.
Mr Fantastic is perfectly parodied in Venture Brothers - prove me wrong!!! 😆
Can I join in the Mr Fantastic hate? 1) He's an ass about how smart he is. Like being smarter = being more ethical. 2) it's possibly a relic of his era but there's something sexist in the way he treats Sue. 3) Doom can cure thing while barely trying so exactly how hard did Reed really try? 4) He barely seems to pay attention to being a father. 5) Planet Hulk arc was super believable. 6) admittedly I ship Sue with Namor, Namor is way more fantastic IMHO.
Bruce/Batman's huge energy comes from the compassion that loves and hates with cosmic resonance. Sascha gets Batman. I thought I was alone...
Batman just shouldn't laugh, it always happens at the most terrifying situations, like some demented troll laughing just before chomping on an unsuspecting traveler.
In Mad Love Batman laughing frightened Harley Quinn to the point where she said "I've never seen you laugh before. I don't think I like it." She even jumped when he went back to talking in his normal tone of voice.
"But Superman, without a yellow star, and a planet smaller than Krypton, you'd be an average guy."
Batman.
Literally the best detox story ever conceived/written/drawn. Sometimes "artists" get it. Tell you what: I will write a one-act-monologue utilizing Peter Parker, perhaps a few guests (one at a time) - simple set, a chair, a table, perhaps a laptop and notepad with Sharpies because, goldangit, Peter Parker can draw like an ace, anybody notice? Simple set, one or two or three good actors. I literally live in Hollywood. The best actors, I kid you not, live on the streets of Hollywood, also known as tent city. So Peter Parker is ruminating on his situation after everybody he loves dismiss him due to his adrenaline fix. He is in a cheap Hotel room on Sunset Boulevard. He hears some wacko singing as he walks past Peter's window. I will write this IF you do Peter's voice. I'm not joking. Not much. Your Joker makes my skin crawl...congratulations.
The 24 hour part might've been something added to the pills later. Perhaps only the first batch Randolph (?) gave Batman was instant-acting. The time delay in later batches may have been to help increase addiction and also to control the super-soldiers they were trying to make.
What do you think of the later addition, post-Bane, that Venom was derived from Hourman's Miraclo formula? Would you like to see/have seen Batman and Hourman talk about this? 😊
"I haven't seen someone trip out this much since Cap did a whole warehouse of ice" Love it!
I love what you said about the kindness of Batman. It gives all his heroic acts so much more meaning but unfortunately a lot of writers down play it. It’s what made me love Batman in the first place so I’m so glad you brought it up! Also, I absolutely love your content! Please keep it up! 🥰💕💕💕
My inner Batman has saved my life on several occasions. This is no joke. Impeccability is a thing.
I'm personally of the mindset that this story is *why* Batman would never enhance himself this way today. I think, even with the reboots and stuff, that there is some residual memory that lives in his subconscious that makes him reflexively repulsed to that kind of enhancement today.
“Jose Luis Garcia Lopez”
Me: Praise be his name
I know that they said it was just adrenaline in that one scene, but I think it could be interesting if they adapted parts of this story into the Robert Pattinson Batman's story.
“Knew this was coming...
... wait a minute...
HAHAHAHAHA!!!”
I am your audience that laughs.
Perfect Halloween trick!
Perfunctory 🐿 👧 request!
This was one of the earliest Batman stories from legend of the dark Knight books hilarious when comes out of the batcave with the beard
It's my favorite part! Batman quit cold turkey.
Batman voice for the win.
LotDK was simply the best Batman monthly when it first came out. That was around the time, give or take a year or two, when I first had regular easy access to the full range of US comics and was spending silly amounts of cash to make up for all the years I couldn't get hold of them. At a time when I was still trying to catch up and educate myself on all the history the character had even then LotDK was a series where it didn't matter what you already knew. Partly as the stories were based early in Batman's career and partly as they were entire stories over a few issues, unrelated to the myriad other comics featuring Batsy. It felt much more of an 'in on the ground floor' comic than any other at the time or since.
But it increasingly became part of the overall continuing Batman story. At first, if I remember rightly, by taking part in the (at least) annual crossover events but eventually syncing up with the rest and becoming just another part of ongoing continuity, no longer something to be enjoyed without having to read the other titles. I was reading all the other titles so didn't really notice the change at the time. It was still a fine series, one of my favourites in fact, but something had been lost when I wasn't paying attention.
There's probably a moral in that but I'm too busy with other stuff to work out what it might be...
The first two or three years were amazing. Every few months, I'd read the solicitations and say, "Wow! They got HIM to do a story?" It was crazy good stuff.
Your Batman voice is amazing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is an amazing storyline: I need to get the trade collection someday.
Brian Lewis - "What's that? Drugs? I'll take it, I don't care what it does!"
This is one of my favorite Batman stories ever. I'm glad you covered this, and I really enjoy your channel!
uh....you know maybe this can explain why bane was so damn crazy and when you look at it, there are times when he doesn't take the venom, he's completely normal and level headed
I remember getting the trade for this from the library back before I understood the difference between Marvel and DC. I was envisioning a completely different kind of Venom.
Which is a story I'd _also_ be down for!
@@elenafriese891 Yes please.
Found this channel today and I'm so glad I did! Really interesting content
The best Bat Laugh to accompany all this, is Kevin Conroy's Batman laugh in The New Batman Adventures.
Coming to this after watching The Batman movie, I can definitely see this plotline inspiring a sequel. He's already used something like venom there.
Thank You Sasha! This is one of the best CCs!
Im a fan now!! Love comics, and love the way you explain and immerse into this classics.
Excellent Video and Batman voice. Sasha's breakdowns are very underrated.
I really like your take on these comics. I was about 17 when Venom came out so you’re spot on about how it felt to the comics community of that time. Great job.
Awesome video as always! I really enjoy how you narrate and explain/talk about the issues. It is easy to tell how much you care about the comics and characters. Please keep up the great work.
Now for a bit of an aside...
I just got the ultimatum requiem collection comic and got the ultimatum collection comic on kindle. I am now trying to track down the run ups but dont know if they are on kindle or if I have to track down real copies but I can not wait to read it all in order.
I own individual issues of spiderman requiem 1 and 2 and ultimatum 1 the second variant printing but have never read the full story and am waiting until I can do it all together.
I have heard so much bad stuff about ultimatum and I think that made me want to read it even more. The crazy stuff that happens has really intrigued me.
To everyone who made it this far thank you and I hope you have an awesome life!
I remember reading this as it was coming out. I shared it with my friends as I found it incredibly awesome. Batman off the rails.
Your batman and hulk impressions are 😂💯
Love the new title cards and your hair is so ccuuutteeee 😍
14:37 i have a related headcanon. He's drowning him like his daughter, not because *HE* cares, but because he knows BATMAN cares.
I actually think this is the story that the newest Batman movie with Robert Pattinson is going to lean toward, if a sequel is indeed planned anyways.
I love your channel!!you deserve 1 million subs.
Great video, Sasha...👍
If she ever came up to me and batman voiced about never breaking a promise I might believe her.
Now I need to binge watch clips from Ricki Lake's talkshow.. Goodbye to my productive evening!
Yoooo! Your Batman voice is dope. I'm so glad I found your channel. Good job.
I think we need to see more stories of our heroes in their earliest years, see the learning process they went through to become how they are...which is probably why I liked the Suberboy stories more than I did the Superman stories I read growing up in the 70's and 80's.
As an aside...are you aware that your Batman voice sounds a lot like Jackie Earl Haley as Rorschach in the Watchmen movie?
Good video, and I enjoyed your Jazz Snaps 😀 (Jazz Snaps "sounds" like an ASTRO City SuperHeroine's name. JAZZ SNAPS!)
Just discovered you. Wowww!!! You're good!!! Some of the best presentation!!!
always enjoy your videos, would like to see your take on "no mans land."
omg, your batman voice cracks me every time
You see a similar addictive side to Bruce combined with his thirst for justice in the arc when he gets Superman's powers and goes completely crazed with all that power.
I remember reading this and really liking how dark it was (for teenage me), but I've never read the first part. Thanks!
Thank you for this video. When I was a kid I had the shark issue but *only* the shark issue. I was buying comics with change and birthday money and didn't follow DC, so when I bought this comic it was completely out of context.
It was cool to see the story behind it after so many years.
I actually enjoyed this version of Batman and read the one comic I had a few times. I liked the vulnerability, although I had no real knowledge of the drug addiction aspect since that issue barely touched on it beyond the soldiers they had given it to.
I like the more vulnerable Batman who has to come up with solutions on the fly and is capable of failing over the more deified modern Batman.
More Batman impressions please!
One of my favorite Batman stories. It makes him human
I absolutely love how you do the gritty "Bat-Voice"! You are so awesome sauce! Yes.. I typed "awesome sauce".. you have a new subscriber.
P.s. I too like Ricky Lake, however, I thought of The Richard Bay Show!
I just wonder how elaborate this scientist's plan was. How did he know that that ceiling would not fall on Batman and the girl? It was such an elaborate plan that it reminded me of the Joker plan in Nolan's movie. Where he knew Batman would survive all that crazy chase and still be put in jail, to have time to put a bomb on his henchmen.
Wow, The Queen's Gambit is a lot more action-heavy than I remember
Thanks for recapping this! Part 3 was my first Batman comic when I was 5 or 6 - a sample from a printing company my dad brought home. Clearly he didn't read the contents - the page of Timothy murdering his girlfriend is super graphic and disturbing and stuck with me for years in the worst possible way. Also Part 3 on its own wasn't a great intro to Batman either, going through withdrawal in the cave and barely present. Wasn't until almost 10 years later I finally got the trade and read the whole story.
Yes, Batman is a drug addict. They tried to make us forget it. This is why Batman needs a partner, like Robin. Nobody should have to go at it alone. Goblin Slayer is more socially awkward that Batman, but he has friends a plenty. Those friends believe in him no matter how insufferable he can be with his reticence and dedication to killing goblins.
I'm sold on the idea that Alfred loves trash tv. I now picture him around Wayne Manor, dusting or whatever, but keeping up with his "stories" from room to room. And may God have mercy of the soul of any Bat hero or villain who dares to interrupt Alfred during his stories! Duh Duh DUH!
Your head canon about Alfred and trash TV might actually be true. I remember him scolding Harold Allnut about watching a trashy soap opera, only to turn around and being very surprised about a plot twist...as if he had been watching the show in secret all along.
I own the original prints of most of the Legends series, from the first issue to the last, including this excellent story arc. Thanks for reminding me of such a great run.
Some elements I like, like batman reaching his limits and someone dying at the start. Him doping because of the trauma I think is a good motive although I would have much preferred if batman sought out means of doping instead of having them handed to him. Granted most addicts do have some force manipulating them to begin so I think the scientist dangling the drugs over Batman’s head is realistic but it makes the events of the comic feel very circumstantial. It works well that this is supposedly early on batman, a less mentally prepared or superstitious batman. The super spy stuff at the end I think I could do without. I’d say overall the premise was great the execution was solid.
Your Batman voice is pure gold!😂😂😂
Great video, but one thing. When you showed the Legends of the Dark Knight cover, that's the cover to the modern collected version, which only has modern stories. Legends of the Dar Knight #1 was a silhouette of Batman, with 4 different background colors, with those colors becoming one of the first variant covers.
Can I just say, you have the best Batman voice E-V-A-H! Would you consider creating a playlist of you reading random Batman issues or better yet just short takes of Batman dialog using that voice such as "No, sweat"?
We need to start some kind of petition to make your version of Batman's voice the definitive and only one used in animation henceforth.
This was one of the first Batman stories I read and still one of my favorites.
I love when you do the wackier plots.
So, Bruce normally has full conversations with bats? That's good to know.
Best voices of Batman
1) Shasha
2) Kevin Conroy
3) Christian Bale
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Huh, I kinda wish the new The Batman film was more like this comic(it didn't feel that it on my viewing) or, an actual adaptation of this comic! Really interesting and emotional
Yup, remember this one! Got it back in the day, might have been fourteen at the time? But fuzzy on the detail. That one and Masks really sold me back on Batman even though I was (and am) more of a Marvel kind of guy. Even at 38... ;-) But I don't feel like that is such a stigma any more, a so called grown man liking comics. Because all the people reading comics when I was you grew up and some never left their love for it behind. So we are not alone.
Anyway, as with many I watched re-runs of campy Adam West Batman through the '80, and though I still love that show (got the blu-rays!) seeing a more mature, darker Batman I think was the thing I needed. And that manic Batman cover of that trade collection, phew! Was not aware at the time this was the actual Venom of Bane legends, Bane had been outside my radar. But then I think I had like 10 Batman comics during my childhood, Norway was not big on that sort of thing and my allowance wasn't that great. (AND of course Spider-man and X-Men because Marvel!) But enough rambling, I have to see if I can find this again now, off to the internets! :-D
Nice channel I've just found^^
Also, funny that you should mention your headcanon about Alfred watching trash tv. A while ago I've stumbled over an old mini series called "Joker Time" from around 2000 or so in wich the Joker ends up barely concious after being subjected to, essentially, a parody of the Jerry Springer Show by a therapist at Arkham and eventually ends up being exploited on said show.
Alfred straight up says that he loves watching that show to relax. So, your headcanon has been kinda confirmed.
Hello!!! I just discovered this channel and love the profesionalism and well documented videos you are presenting! I still have a lot of content to check but I was wondering if you plan to make an issue about the Punisher or any other antiheroes? Have a great day and keep it up! ^^
I am just stunned Batman didn't have some sort of tube in his multitude of supplies through which the drowning girl could breathe. Maybe not a snorkel, but nothing resembling a tube in his belt?
I can't belive I just find out Sasha got her own channel ... keep up the awesome work
Artwork is amazing for this story