ICON Ratchet Torture Test 3/8 Flex Head Destroyed
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- ICON Ratchet Torture Test 3/8 Flex Head Destroyed
As an example the standard for a 3/8" drive 6 or 12pt 19mm socket has a proof torque of 183 foot-pounds which equates to around 2200 lbf /in (pound force / inch, commonly called inch pounds or pound inch)
Standards defined for proof torque as: "When tested as specified tool or fastener shall withstand the applied tensile load without failure or permanent deformation that might affect the durability or serviceability of specified tool or fastener." (ASME B107.2-2002)
So........depending on the size, 150-180 foot-pounds of torque is well within the capability of 3/8, at least 19mm. I suspect that many 3/8" drive sockets, ratchets and breaker bars are at that size are capability of handling even more torque. The ASME standard is the minimum requirement, not an absolute upper limit.
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One standard I recall for a 3/8" drive 19mm socket has a proof torque around 185 foot-pounds at 85% proof torque. So anything over 200 ft-lbs is pretty strong, what are your thoughts on how the ICON Ratchet preformed?
I would say they nailed it for a pro tool so far so good I'm eager to the other stuff they come out with in the Icon line up some of the pits pro is ok but the Icon seems to have really stepped up to the plate of making a quality tool and reliable tool at a lower price so again I'm on the Icon hook so far. I'm not a pro mechanic I just turn wrenches on my own classic hot rod truck but I do want my tools to hold up and last but be affordabe as well. Most of my tools are Craftsman and the China stuff before Stanley bought them out. But they do still hold up so far. But ide love to expand into the Icon line if all is right. And so far ide say they are doing a great Job I like how it performed for sure
I actually was hoping for more. But not to bad I guess. atleast it can handle 200lbs.
As a H F employee,I am loving the testing that everyone is giving these tools. As we get them on our shelves,they are surely proving their value,but time will tell.
Hipsters & Hippies I’ve broken extensions with the Pittsburgh pro and it’s still working fine to this day I weigh 250 and I’ve stood on this ratchet to try to break things loose I’d expect that the icons should be better but yet that could be deviations within individual tools
I’m not as interested in break off point as I am longevity
Just when I was about to say "Now grab an extension bar", behold!
It's a good tool CZcamsr who tests to destruction on a torque meter. It's a GREAT tool CZcamsr who demonstrates the meters getting professionally calibrated first.
Well sounds like I'm buying all icon ratchets from now on
I buy a little of everything, I’m considering one of these
I iust bought 3. Next ill get a 1/2" and a long handle 1/2"
I'd say that should hold up fine if it's used properly, if you need to apply that much torque you would be using a 1/2 drive or bigger not a 3/8.
towboatjeff You sir are totally correct. Thank you for watching and commenting ✌️
I wish half the stuff I work on i could get a 1/2" in.
@@jaybo3687 I put a cheater bar on a Mac 3/8 ratchet and broke it breaking caliper bolts loose.
@@jaybo3687 I have an impact just not access to 220 for my compressor.
I agree 100%
Now take it back to harbor freight and get a new one.
Inverse Universe haha exactly. That is why nothing beats HF if you live close to one.
yes do that cheap Garbage one of those ratches i need to take 400nm atlets.... kines shit
@@PBstx1100 home depot and autozone and oreilys super convinient lol
megadethGUY M yea but HF has cheap tools and if you break it they exchange it for a brand new one. I wouldn’t recommend doing any heavy work with them but for wrenching on stuff during the weekend they are the best
@@PBstx1100 those icon tools really are good. I would consider them professional grade without question. I am a mechanic professionally and have been using some of them for a while now they hold up just as good if not better then my snap_-on.
The simple fact there wasnt gear failure is all you need to know.
It took all the torque you could deliver by hand. It was the 4' cheater bar that took it to point of failure.
The good part - lifetime warranty
Nice audio compression on your videos. I usually have a side compressor running for videos, movies, youtube, etc.. but when someone has good compression on, I have to turn mine off, or risk peaks and stuff. Thanks for your work!
Love your torture tests!
Great torture test, Chris. It's so great to have an engineer in the tool community. Thank you and God bless! 😁
Thanks buddy!
Thanks for showing the internals! Great build quality!
It’s the little things like the internals and knowing how it works. Those are the goodies!
I like your no-holds-barred style. Subscribed.
Thanks buddy! Appreciate you watching commenting and subscribing👉🏻🛠👍🏻
I bought the same ratchet close to a year ago and I gotta say it is my #1 most used ratchet
That actually surprised me I was expecting it be gear failure
Glad they came out with comfort grips for the Icon ratchets.
Great test. Icon is definitely great peace of equipment!
"This thing's been giving me a workout all night long." That's what she said.
So old but works so well🤣🤣
I like how you showed us the gears
Excellent video. 👏👏👏👏
Great video, great info to have. 👍
Good video I just bought 1/2 inch drive flex head long handle today I will definitely take it apart and lube it up a little and be happy I hope you do the same test on the half-inch drive someday
Now try the same tests on the snap-on ratchet its compared to
The snap on would break also. It's only a 3/8 ratchet. Torque like that should be with a 1/2" or 3/4" drive. Lots of torque on thin anvil. Yet what do I know I'm just a HVAC hacker.
@@thehvachacker what's hvac hacker?!
Gregory Lum it’ll make a good video
Hi Chris.. for the flex head 3/8 ratchet which one do you recommend me to buy..tekton,gearwrench or capri tools? Thank you
I was surprised with the results, glad to see someone willing to push the envelope
Michael Cross why not, hes just gonna return it for a refund when its cooked.. he’s not losing out on anything.. amazing video and great presenter none the less. Thumbs up
229 foot pounds on a 3/8 drive? I thinks that is great! That's the kind of torque you would use a 1/2 dive for. I seen a similar video Icon vs Snap torque 3/8 test and the snap on failed a few pounds before the Icon did.
To reduce and possibly prevent ratchet damage.
I purchased 3 very tough Icon breaker bars.
I also purchased the Icon wobble extension set.
My newer Kobalt 90 Tooth ratchets should last a long time.
Great stress test honestly who is going to use that much force on a 3/8 ratchet we all have breaker bars for extreme torque situations and in some cases 20v impact wrenches I've already purchased full sets of 1/4 and 3/8 short and deep socket sets in metric as well as a 7" 1/4 flex head comfort grip ratchet and a 14" 3/8 flex head comfort grip ratchet and I am fully impressed with the quality of these tools and seeing that the ratchet can withstand 220ftlbs+ just reinforces my faith in this tool brand thanks for an awesome review brotha keep'em coming
How did you get what seems to be 1 of each TYPE of Ratchet they're apparently making?
I've busted a 3/8 drive locking flex head Performance Tool Ratchet once and took it right back to the auto parts store I bought it from and swapped it fleet a new one oder the counter no questions asked.
Great test. Pretty nice ratchet 👍
I'd like to see the test-to-failure numbers on comparable ratchets, but from my experience (27 years aviation maintenance), almost 230 ft/lbs is outstanding. I would expect tooth stripping before that on a 3/8's...
Here are the fixed head 3/8” and there is 8 total ratchets in this test czcams.com/video/DAGvL66fghg/video.html
I love the editing in the beginning. Bad ass. 🤜🤛
I use this ratchet all the time at home working on rusty bolts because sometimes its the only thing that fits. Ive warrantied one once because the swivel screw broke taking a leafspring bolt out.
I've been using the 1/2 Pittsburgh to put the wheels on my car. They're 14 inch wheels so it works just fine. The gear may be wearing down a bit now but still works.. Maybe it's just loosen up a bit by now and I haven't bother to check it. I do prefer the quick release on my ratchets though. Specially the smaller ones.
I would like to see you take a new ratchet, and just pull on it till it breaks, without all the other tests you did first. I wonder if it will break at about the same torque.
Is the Icon 3/8 longer or same length as the Pittsburgh Pro?
Sorry if I missed it but I didn’t see a composite ratchet shootout that would be really cool to see how they compare.
A lot of the ratchets I've used over the years, all different brands, most don't come with much lubricant from the factory.
Icon is a excellent tool. Well worth the money
Dude I'm impressed over 200 ft lbs.. AND no broke teeth still functions properly!!! I noticed you did not say if putting such force on it made the head any looser?? But I'm assuming not since I did not see any flexing in the pivot fork. I would say they have made a strong ratchet there I'm sold on it
michael penna Fork looks decent after probably doing around 60 pulls at 200 ft-lbs. The ICON uses a similar tension ring like on the Pittsburgh pro flex head for the friction but it’s slightly larger and has a larger tension screw.
Just a thought... but I've been a heavy equipment mech/technician for 5+ years and I've never been taught to use a breaker bar that close to the head.
Dirt_Road_Nation The point of using the pipe that close to the head is to take the flex joint and handle out of the equation. This test in the video is just for the ratchet failure point.
Yeah it's just for the mechanism noth the whole tool
Wow 229.1 ft pounds is awesome! Icon brand is going to give the toolbox companies a run for products. I wonder if you could go into HF to replace the tool? That would be great! Sending a tool off for warranty replacement is a hassle. Cuz, you are without your tool for days/weeks is crap. But going into your local HF for replacement you have the hand tool right then.
Thanks for all you do making your videos!
As long as they have it in stock they will swap it out, easy pessy.
Super Lube, sold at Harbor Freight, is the lubricant used in every Snap-on ratchet from the factory and on rebuilds.
Super Lube has been around long before harbor freight, totally irrelevant to say that snap on uses the lube. Harbor freight is reselling, they also sell wd40, and rustoleum ect..
@@stv-gq4vi I was merely stating that people can buy it there and that it's what is used by Snap-on in their ratchets.
This is why the flex head ratchets were recalled to improve the strength and quality that our icon brand provide.
That’s an interesting thought. I personally would have thought they should have done 250+ ft-lbs even thought what it hit was still respectable. However, the lockup demo recall video I did was more then enough for me. Patiently awaiting the replacements.
Thanks Chris! I dig on some Dr. Destructive! Pretty impressive Ratchet though.
It's kind of a stress reliever and a little fun, what can I say I'm pretty well vested in being able to destroy ratchets at this point👍
How about a test of the new Milwaukee hand rachets for future videos
Impressed that you took the time and expense to get your meters tested. Gotta be losing money on this channel. Keep it up. Great content. Hope you grow to 100k/1million+
TMo The bar has been set high, guess what else was tested? Maybe an Icon 1/2” torque wrench and another one that’s like 15yrs old from HF. Maybe do a video one day.
Hows it compare to Snap On?
How about testing the new Icon's after the soft recall?
Lol. I love it when tools like Icon, Gearwrench, etc are reviewed and you have those people who say these will make a good “truck set” or “homeowner set”. Like Snap On is the only professional set. SMH. In reality the difference is more like Nike Versus Rebook. I guess both will keep your feet in good shape but one will always be more popular for the cool kids.
Well said!!!!!
Def put it right brother. I own the whole icon set and it def can be used as a professional mechanics set. My stepdad just retired from 40 yrs mechanic work. I showed him Icon yesterday and he was super impressed. Said “ dam this feels and works just like my snap on that I used my whole life” like he says no sense in buying all the snap on stuff if you can get this and not be broke.
OGgator Trapper Payless went bankrupt
Only americans buy snap on. You dont see snap on on latin countries
@@miguelledezma1379 I believe you.
The Ratchet Not being lubricated probably helped the process also because its sticking ...if possibly if it would had been lubricated the gear mechanisms could possibly slip and skip with applying that type of force ...I believe that's when you find teeth chipping in the internal gear mechanisms
It didn’t come greased. However, it was fully lubricated when tested and when showing the internals you should be able to see the shine of the premium, synthetic oil with suspended Syncolon (PTFE) particles
I jus purchased my ICON 3/8 14" long San Diego HF yesterday and I am very happy to add this Professional Tool to my Craftsman tool set.. I sure it'll last a few years...??..
Hey which store had the icon. Chula Vista won't have them until next week
Would have been great if you had done a comparison with another brand such as Snap-On.
Looks like a good value for the money..
I gotta ask, do you have that 3/8 ratchet part number? It appears they don't make it.... Wich is weird and I looked at their sure for it and can't find the 3/8 flex head comfort grip ratchet
They are currently on recall. No one knows quite when they will be back in-stock.
Basically they're all super strong. Even the S-K is built to take whatever you throw at it before going into abuse mode. All that's left to decide is how much you want to spend and other features. The ICON is really sharp looking, where as the tekton is impressive, but kinda dopey looking in my opinion. I have the Husky ratchet and that black finish chips off SO EASY. I'm still tempted to grab a set of 120XP ratchets.
Agreed they are all decently strong and if you use them correctly they should al last a good amount of time. The Husky black oxide looks nice, but it's such a pain as it does literally chips on everything and is annoying. Ratchets are one thing that it's okay to buy up on and use cheaper sockets as neither complain.
@clientgraphics any idea how a Snap-on or Matco would fair at this same test?
Bryan Waldo I couldn’t say for sure without actually testing one. Might be anywhere from 225 up to even 275 depending upon if the internals of their flex are similar to a fixed head or if it was an older 36t vs newer dual 80 or Eighty8.
I like them so far
I've been replacing my Pittsburg tools will icon tools.
Good thing it has a lifetime warranty, walked over to harbor freight and exchange. Snap On got to mail it back, wait about a month 😁
Welll it’s not that the tool was weak
It’s that you were constantly applying high amounts of torque in short intervals.
When you do that
Metals get hot and that’s how it gives out
That’s like getting an impact and hammering a bolt for a long time
The bolts gonna get hot and the head will shear off.
So when put under constant stress
Anything will give out
So icon comes with a lifetime warranty automatically without buying the HF extended warranty? So can you now go swap that for a new one?
Hand tools yes
Yes. Most if not all of the Pittsburgh pro stuff has a lifetime warranty as well. Ive had no issues swapping broken tools at harbor freight. Always in and out in 5 minutes no questions asked.
I wish they had the shorter 3/8 drive with comfort grip and tilting head available because the 1/4 has that option...
Wonder if anvils would be available to buy?
Exchange the whole ratchet?
The snapon 3/8 ratchet breaks around 270 ft. lbs. in the few tests I've seen, so that's pretty much the same. Most occasions you will use 1/2" for any heavy torque, unless the 1/2" is just too big to fit the work area.
What is the point of failure?
The ICON is also 90 tooth, more tooth means a finer gear ratchet and less durable. SnapOn is 80 tooth.
Thats a very common, and a very incorrect misconception. Generally the more (and finer) teeth, the stronger the mechanism is. Reason being that there's a lot more contact area, and holding strength when you have many smaller teeth making contact vs a few larger teeth. There's 16 teeth on the pawl making contact with the gear, which wedges the pawl into the side of the wall. That is an extremely strong mechanism, the gear will not fail in this situation, it will always be either the anvil, or the fastener that will fail first. Its a stronger design than most of the old school 36-40 tooth ratchets, that had a pawl make contact with 2-4 teeth at a time. You also put less wear on the rest of the mechanism with fine tooth ratchets, like the springs, which have to compress less than a 36 or 40 tooth design, to jump to the next tooth. Yes you can definitely design a fine tooth ratchet, that has a bad design, and some obvious failure points, but that's not the case here. Especially since they updated the design.
Only real problem with fine tooth ratchets is they need to stay sealed properly, cause if any crap gets inside the mechanism, or if you pack in too much heavy grease, it'll start messing with the mechanism, and will either start skipping teeth, not locking up, or exhibiting other funky behavior.
Looks like my snap on ratchet , I’m still curious who manufacturers these for harbor freight . 🤔
I notice you going backward on the tester after each test. Does your ratchet get stuck in place around 150ftlb where you cannot ratchet back by hand?
Nothing Promised that slightly annoyed me, cause why.
Morty because I have seen exactly this in a couple different videos. The fact he does this every time makes me think his was getting stuck same as the others
Looks like a good buy for the average homeowner slash General vehicle maintenance
Oh my, Chris I just came back to review this video. And I just noticed something. You put 219.9lbs of force on that anvil. But it only gave way at 229.1Lbs. Do you have any clue how close you came to flying across the room? Real close. Only about 6 more Lbs of applied force on the end of that thing would have sent you flying.😏 so I’m glad that you have the cheater pipes. You just need to but a 4 or 4 1/2 ft one that actually first over the 1/2” ratchets all the way up.
Not bad. You can always tell a good ratchet by the anvil breaking and not the gears (or a flex joint if applicable) the only concern is how much it shattered. It wasn’t a clean fracture like I’ve seen on other ratchets, there was a lot of pieces that came off.
How easy/hard is it to pull the socket off the drive. I like the socket release button, you can change sockets one handed.
On a side note, I own the red torque meter. I tested it against a snapon digital and it was 1lb off all the way to 285lb.
It's a personal preference and I do like quick release as well. ICON sockets on the ratchet are a pretty snug fit. Felt comparable to other tight fitting brands and the 8 or 10mm can be a struggle, but it won't accidentally come off.
Are you going to return it to harbor freight?
Late comment but one thing I've noticed was, if you lube this ratchet with super lube or something thick like so. It will bind up and have the switch flipping back and worth. I gone ahead and cleaned it and reassembled, no lube. it will work like a beauty lol or a light thin oil.
I personally use the SuperLube oil in most of my finer tooth ratchets
I would have guessed the flex joint would have broken first.
Kinda says a lot that it didn't.
some of the reason for the flex joint's survival may have been that he had the cheater bar all the way up over it. I'm guessing that helped support the flex joint. It would be interesting to see the flex joint tested by moving the cheater bar back down the handle a bit.
if theres a rebuild kit ,replace the broken parts ,and see if it still works
I'd like to see the icon versus the Pittsburgh pro
Done, video was put out on my channel here czcams.com/video/LOJDpldW-LY/video.html
Enjoy!
See how deep the lead in is on the socket. Some are dished way too much which moves the stress on the anvil out further. Might be why the anvil failed.
Was that your toes?????
Lmao
That's the best failure you can ask for quick rebuild and boom
Even though the Pittsburgh Ratchet has been put through the same test you should had included it compared to the Icon Ratchet do to harbor freight distributing both Brands but which one of the 2 are actually better than compare the price listings
Stuff is in the works for some other comparisons, but we'll see what happens. Not enough time for everything and life at the moment.
Yes please, do a comparison when you get a chance.
I just posted a video of how I purchased a couple of ICON ratchets at my local Harbor Freight. A Swivel head and 1/4" with comfort grip and pricing. You and a couple of other channels helped influence my decision as a DIYer
Not bad not bad at all 👍🏻👍🏻
That's a pipe, not a breaker bar.
I'm betting you're single.
@@michaelcox3052 what does that have to do with anything?
Icon tools... will stick with my older set of snap-on
Sure, but what if you were buying new today? Icon is getting rave reviews.
Well I've seen Snap on go above 250 and Gearwrench 84t as well as 120xp go above 270 (before breaking the adapter) here on youtube so I can't say I'm that impressed. But if they lower the price I'd buy some to replace my Pittsburgh pro ratchets
Reymon Nolan a 3/8 will not go above 250
That’s BS lmao
Try breaking torque on a triple square wheel hub bolt with a 3/8
ain’t gonna happen
@@osvaldo8393 lmao, you don't have to believe it for it to be true. Look up budget tool's channel. He did the exact same test shown here with 3/8 snap on and gearwrench. Using the same snap on digital tourqe meter.
@RCMOTO seriously, it can
maximagmhondafan88 probably only socket applications ,
Because trying to do that with a bit like a triple square
It doesn’t work
I’ve used 3/8ths and 1/2 brand name ones and they all wanted to snap on the pin
The only breaker bar that did the job was 3/4 drive
@@osvaldo8393 don't go look at the new Client Graphics video. We don't want you to end up in intensive care due to a blown mind lol.
A chain is only as strong at its weakest link. Surprised the flex part didn’t snap or anything
Did J.J. Abrams direct this?? "MORE LENS FLARE!!!!!!"
What 3/8 drive bolt is 200+ ft pounds
How much can the equivalent snap on handle?
Can’t say for sure but just did these that has a SnapOn dual 80 in it czcams.com/video/DAGvL66fghg/video.html
Definitely gonna get me one of those flex heads
That’s what I love about good flex heads, can’t break them until you throw a pipe on it. Mainly because that’s now what those are meant for. Lifetime warranty though!
I wish Harbor freight would make a locking flex head ratchet
Thanks for the video Chris.
Im not a HFTOOL fan. I want 1 to put to the test at work. To see if it holds up in my field of work.
Why is it called an anvil if you’re not hammering on it? I can understand on a impact wrench or driver it would be called an anvil but on a non impact tool?
Nice video! Impressive ratchet.
See the video of the Snap On Tool Truck test. ICON 260lbs no breakages of that one. Snap On started bending like rubber at 160lbs.
Thanks Chris.
Anytime james U 👍
I have the same one its a great ratchet
Men looks like like my $200 Snap on ratchet!
I feel like a breaker bar doesn't allow you to test the bar on the ratchets. I guess the head would the weakest and most likely to break first but we can't be100% using the breaker bar.
Saw a video on a snap on truck where it went to 250 ft lbs no problem