Are You VEGAN or Just FUSSY?
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- My reaction to "After 3 years As a Vegan I'm Making A Change" by Mark Lewis.
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0:00 Intro
0:26 Obesity & Gorillas
1:59 Labels
3:50 You Do You
6:17 It's Boring
7:25 Veganism is Not About Health
9:00 Anti-Vegans are Goofy
10:47 A death for no reason
11:32 Fussy, Not Vegan
14:18 Eggs & Elk Steak
15:49 Outro
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i think it is very important to have "normal" people being vegan without them telling everyone. people who have followed this guy without knowing, and stumbles into know later, might have a chance of accepting veganism in some shape or fame in their life. a no pressure way to lean in a little closer.
Amen. Veganism is an issue where moral posturing, whether justified or unjustified, is a horribly losing strategy. Yet with rare exceptions, vegan activism is full of moral posturing. People lost their minds over Alex O'Connor going from full vegan to a mostly vegetarian diet when he's still doing great advocacy for animals.
Absolutely. I’m educated on the matter and am prepared to answer questions if they come up, but I do not broadcast my veganism everywhere I go. I want people to see that it’s simply the way I live, it’s not my life. There’s a difference, and one is way more approachable than the other.
@@synchronium24 Is he? I haven't seen him advocating for veganism anymore. I thought he was more of an omnivore than a vegetarian at this point.
Personally this exact approach has given me the best results in terms of making people receptive to vegan lifestyle and plant-based nutrition. I never talk about my veganism until I absolutely have to. People get to know me without prejudice or stereotypical thinking first, and one day they just find out. Does wonders.
Yup, I was convinced of veganism by watching Alex O'Connor (Cosmic Skeptic)'s video on it, when I was previously watching him for his atheist content.
I believe his story about his peers being the way they were described 100%, guys spaces can be cut throat and void of awareness, as a guy at 30 I can anecdotally confirm this is the sort of shit that would casually happen and it would just be moved past.
I can confirm this as well, and it is not limited to male friends. In all seriousness, I could not call myself and my partner even close to strict vegans. Yet, for some reason, when you are just a normal person who does not want to finance animal exploitation and actually put your money where your mouth is 90% of the time, some friends will treat you like you are difficult, or even millitant.🤷
@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear That's insane! What is really extreme here?!
Same, it’s a guy thing. We can all laugh at each other, no harm done. I usually return the favor with meathead jokes. At the end of the day, those guys are still friends who will help me and support me. Like Swayze said, actions! Not words.
@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear Yeah, I haven't had meat in 15 years and I started dating a new guy and his brother is carnivore. He keeps obviously offering me meat and saying "OH I FORGOT" but I don't know how he would forget when he actually got very angry upon meeting me saying "WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BEEF?!!??!!" and demanding an answer when I was just standing there amazed someone would act like that. I never comment on his diet. After 8 months he stopped when I privately mentioned to my boyfriend I felt unwelcome and dreaded going over to their house every weekend to spend time with them.
@@TurtlePlant You need those words to have a normal conversation as it internalizes biases and logical fallacies. Being aware of those concepts help people reflect whether or not their reasoning holds weight. People need to understand what drives the way they react or think.. why they utter nonsense and become easily defensive.
About dealing with negativity toward Veganism, it can really be tiring. People bombs us with absurd takes about nutrition, ethics, sustainability, philosophy, religion and history, and we must know how to answer to all of that, all while being perfectly polite and nice. And even by being perfect, that's often not enough...
It's like fighting for just existing and getting "othered," even by your closes people.
I think that whole story is true because he's british and his friends were probably being sarcastic, which is why they called him, the fit one, uhealthy and that started complaining about not having a carseat extender.
Yes, English humour is hard for the rest of the world to get. We are always hunting down pomposity.
Joey Carbstrong's aggressive advocacy style when he was doing interviews 5ish years ago worked on me.
Everybody responds differently to outreach and some need a hard push to have that Eureka moment
i agree to a certain degree, but the truth is, aggressive approach turn most people off, thats where the term militant prob comes from. How many people in a restaurant will go vegan when people break in screaming murder and throwing fake blood around aka calling them bad people? few to none
@@Rafa-nn3zw some people just don’t want to go vegan anyways. And then blame it on the. “approach”
I agree they will often use a variety of excuses including the approach, but still, most grown ups do not want to hear they are evil people and be talked down to... not only that the tribal elements is so strong that if people are from the "opposite tribe" to veganism... being harsh like that wont even plant a seed in someone@@choco1199
@@Rafa-nn3zw I disagree it works on some people and that's all that matters. It's an effective tactic whether you like it or not.
@@vendetta.02 Once again, I do agree it works on SOME people, but not most, not only it doesnt work on most, people start associating veganism with the aggressive approach. You do the math, go to the streets and start shouting at people about it, then go around and ask who changed their minds, and the ones who didnt, ask how the perceive vegans now and how attracted to it are they? Its not about how you feel about it, its about how effective it is FOR THE ANIMALS, is not about you.
His videos seem like they might motivate people to remove some meat or dairy, etc from their diet, which would be good, without feeling like it's all or nothing. A casual approach is a good way to reach some people.
Mark’s channel is so good. I like his mantra ‘better than average’ when it comes to fitness. He is also funny so entertaining to watch. It’s impressive that he gets his results. It’s harder to build that sort of muscle as a vegan but he is making it work. It will make a lot more people think about it because he is so low key about it.
I'm pretty sure hes just being sacrststic. British sarcasm is on a whole different level.
3:38 Swayze... THAT’s the joke.
I facepalmed so hard 🤦
I've never hid being vegan even if it makes other people uncomfortable, but I do always lie about why I don't drink. People can't accept "I just don't drink" as an answer and often get in my face about it, so I've just started telling people I'm sober or on medication. They are more likely to respect that for some reason lol
I love his humour. Been watching him for last year or two. CZcams suggested his original vegan video to me and I’ve watched him since then. It’s very British 🇬🇧 humour I guess
I pretty much watch all your videos and the same for Mark. His videos are very down-to-earth and funny, but also very inspiring.
I watch his channel and he IS joking most of the time. He is very dry. I enjoy that type of humor and think he's funny!
I've watched Mark Lewis on and off for about the past year and this is the first time I'm hearing that he was ever a vegan.
Same here!
I think I am the rare viewer of yours that is not only, male, but also watch all of your’s and Mark’s CZcams videos! I was dreading your video after just seeing the title, but was presently surprised by your take on his video. I agree with all your points and his mostly, and am glad both of you are putting out the content that you do.
I have been a fan of Mark for over a year. I’m just going to randomly comment as the video goes on.
Pretty sure he does his own editing. I enjoy it and think it adds to the humor.
He talks about being vegan when it comes up but isn’t everything about him. I think he lives his life to better himself. He’s not trying to be an example for others. So why would he care about what they do?
I think it’s interesting you assume (maybe because of his appearance) he is incredibly confident and can’t have people in his life that talk down to him. He has had a journey with his health and fitness that you may not expect.
If calling himself fussy makes him more comfortable then he should do it.
I think watching only one video from someone is always “dangerous”. It’s easy to assume things about that person like you thinking he’s not serious when this is in fact in line with all of his content.
Lol idk man, as a vegan that will literally eat a block of extra firm tofu, plain, cold, straight from the container for dinner... I would have a really hard time calling myself "fussy" 😂 although I guess I get his point
As someone that chows down on dry soy curls like dog treats, that’s pretty wild 😂
It depends on the context and circumstances. In some situations e.g. in my professional life I don't necessarily want the label "vegan" to be the first thing that people associate me with. I eat what I want and I don't need to explain myself to anyone.
It’s funny how I was watching one of your shorts right now and I just got a notification of this video. 😂
Regarding hunting: my father used to hunt on weekends, the kind of game people who are not too wealthy hunt in my country (birds, rabbits etc). We had many arguments about this (which now he's passed away I do regret because I wasted a lot of quality time I could have spent with him talking about other topics).
While I can understand some of the reasons that drove him to it (the outdoors life, the camaraderie, the physical exercise, the celebratory meals after the hunt, being together with other men for a few hours with a common goal) what I find very regrettable is getting pleasure from hurting and killing animals. Same thing for bullfighting which is also quite a thing in my country; people who are into it can give you a thousand reasons for it, but at the end of the day, is getting pleasure from the pain and death of others.
Hunting kept my father in very good physical shape until a very old age. I wish he had accepted changing into a different outdoors activity like hiking. Besides, more often than not he didn't know what to do with the meat, and it was quite pathetic to see his freezers full of dead animals and his unsuccessful attempts to get his many friends to accept his gifts of game meat.
Having had this very close experience to animal death has probably been one of the most important factors leading me to choosing eating a plant based diet first and going vegan afterwards.
I have followed him for some time and find him pretty inspiring on the exercise front. He is pretty convinced of there being many benefits to eating this way. The part where he spoke of his super unhealthy diabetic friends razzing him on his weird diet definitely resonates with me. Got that a lot myself. Bottom Line: His wife Jenna is Vegan, and I'll bet she does all the cooking. No changes on his part likely. Great analysis!
Great video as always, thanks.
Great video!
Blanket statements like "nobody's ever gone vegan because of XYZ" really downplay the journey aspect of going vegan. E.g., a person who doesn't even know being vegan is a thing would most benefit from hearing that it's a thing. A person who knows it's a thing but thinks it's just weird might benefit from hearing about the reasons to be vegan. And a person who has heard the reasons but isn't quite ready to make the change may even benefit from being told "you already know what the right thing to do is, so take your thumb out your ass and do it" by a mean vegan, lol.
Telling a person the exact thing they need to hear at the exact time they're ready to hear it is complicated, and "x is always persuasive, y never is" is simplistic crap. Even flies sometimes like vinegar.
I use the label "animalist" sometimes to mixed results. Sometimes people just get it, or even take it more seriously/respectfully than "vegan". Other times they ask what it means, and after explaining it the same terms as veganism, often they say "so you're vegan basically", and I say yes.
I prefer “selective palette” 🤣🤣
Started 2024 going vegetarian, I’ve been watching you for years! Think, cats in the apartment and just you, that long ago.
Labels are awkward. My friends who eat meat more or less think of me as vegan. But I don’t want to get burned at the ‘steak’ if someone’s who’s actually vegan sees that I don’t ask a waiter if they use trace amounts of egg in the onion ring batter.
New video! Yes :)
I'm fussy AND have been vegan for 8 years. What now? 😀
I think identifying as vegan is very important because if you "slip" you would know it's wrong and that is not how you identify. Catherine Klein's most recent video addresses this well.
Also he said "buy chickens" for eggs and that just sounds like supporting the egg industry to me. Never buy chickens!!
P.S. if you do have backyard hens it important to make sure they stay on their eggs as long as possible to decrease production and let them eat their eggs to regain lost calcium. It's a fine line and easy to start seeing the eggs as products. Be careful.
I reckon the dinner party story was hyperbole, to highlight how his peers were actually the "fussy" ones. Seems like a classic case of British sarcasm to me. Ergo, now we're all just "fussy" - happy now?
Why say happy now? xD You sound so put off about someone not understanding humor from another culture.
"happy now?" is a reference to my takeaway on Mark's mindset/endgame for labelling himself fussy. I got the impression that he finds the debates and projections - from vegans and non-vegans alike - around veganism and vegans tiresome, hence the sarcasm and underlying "happy now" central conceit of his anecdote and for now "identifying" as just fussy. I hope this clears things up for you (and anyone else reading my original post). 👍 @@Senfree
@@SoHoundHouse Ah okay. Thank you. I was rather confused. xD
No worries at all! @@Senfree
A veganuary switch to only vegan processed food is only going to happen in a household where they mainly eat omnivore processed food.
He might have friends like that. I don't know how accurate British shows are, but people seem to have friendships like that in the shows.
I don't know, if there are any people from England in the comments, let me know, is that just how friendship is there?
That meal conversation is 100% like what we'd have as British blokes and it gets exhausting that being vegan is always the topic of conversation
I watch Mark Lewis. He’s great. Easy watch. Challenges partner. Just not too serious. I’d recommend a watch. He’s deeply into sport and funny. He has done eat and burn 10k Cals in 24 hours and ended up in a bad way right at the End challenge hour 23
Claire from plantiful soul just came out as not vegan yesterday (on the "intuitive, meat is medicine nonsense). Would love a video of your take, redundant or not 😂
isn't this the fate of all vegans? although I'd not agree with meat is a medicine thing; rather, meat is a physiological imperative.
@@v.a.n.e. you can say a psychological imperative, if you've been brainwashed by meat-eggs-dairy industries.
@@v.a.n.e. You must be new.
@@v.a.n.e.Like Swayze here maybe? I think she might be in her fifteen year or so, has been pregnant three times, delivered three healthy children, is a well balanced person taking care of her family and her online business.
Or like the many vegan health professionals in other channels who have been vegan for decades and are healthy and fit even well into their 70s and beyond?
Please do some research before posting about the necessity of meat for survival in a channel where lots of us are plant based or vegan, have read or watched so much about this topic and prove daily with our example it's perfectly doable and, if done right, very healthy.
@@sachamm well, kind of; I'm not ready to consider myself old yet.
Like for me, telling someone I'm on a diet turns into one of two things, they either try to get me to break my diet or they get TOO invested in my diet. They ask if I'm keto or paleo or doing some cup thing or weightwatchers and it turns into a whole ordeal. But if I'm just not hungry and my stomach has been upset when I eat meat then it isn't a crime.
Huh, I come across his content from the endurance space and knowing he tried it and still performs similarly makes me think I could reduce my animal product intake from vegetarian to closer to plant based
What is your faverate home cooked vegan meal? I want to learn how to cook it.
We'll have fewer vegans if advocacy or activism are required. That seems counterproductive to me.
you're a sane voice in all the noise!
I still think raising chickens and eating their eggs is wrong because chickens weren’t meant to lay so many eggs! Modern egg laying chickens were bred by humans to continually produce eggs for our consumption. Reminds me of dog breeds with compromised airways. How is that ok?
Interesting video. ❤
Nice video, thanks. I think some of what you found difficult with Mark's video may be cultural rather than philosophical? I love Mark's content and his very British style humour. Dry and acerbic. I could fully visualise his banter with his mates.
I found the more aggressive and confronting form of activism to be more effective personally. Gary Yourofsky did it for me 10 years ago now.
I thi k that tge more we use the term vegan (in the context of not harming animals) the more it becomes normalised, and less of an outlier position. Hopefully, one day, there will be a tipping point.
It depends on who I’m talking to in order to explain what I eat. I went plant based for health reasons. However I live in the rural Midwest. People here will understand the label “vegan” better than “plant based”. When companies don’t truly understand what plant based means, I look for the vegan label on food. However when I’m around ethical vegans, who have been vegan for ages, I use the plant based label.
13:56 me 🤝 cows
Not wanting to be grilled
I am a very confident person so I am a PROUD vegan and I never back down from arguments, confrontations & I try to educate people and just show that a Vegan diet is healthy, tasty and better for the planet and the animals above all. But for the animals we HAVE TO to spread the Vegan information. So much suffering going on everyday we each have to do our own tontry to alleviate that even if it means convincing 1 person
I don’t like ‘fussy’. To me it diminishes the reasons why we are vegan. I hate when people say I’m ‘fussy’. No I’m just trying to not eat animals or their body parts.
Depending on the Person to avoid confrontation I sometimes don’t even say I’m vegan. I just say I don’t eat meat. And then if they ask if I eat eggs cheese etc I say no. Let them come to their own conclusions lol. Can also get a conversation going without them getting their back up as just saying the word vegan sets some people off
I've been watching his video's of and on for a few years and was very surprised to learn he was vegan. Liked this video, except for the last part. But he's being honest at least.
I like labels. I like being able to use just one word, for people to know exactly where I stand and what I eat.
I don't think a lot of people know that hunters kill deer and other big animals mostly by a lung shot and only to some extend they hit the heart. A lung shot is by no means painless or instant as hunters claim. I could not find that info in the mentioned hunting video. I'd love a video of unnatural vegan showing the the failure rates of different stunning-/killing methods including the praised "killing of cattle via gunshot method". Even in best case scenarios, this shows, that painless killing is just a fever dream that would need futuristic technology to work consistently.
It's a weird take that activism is the moral baseline. What is a morally optimal way of living may well be something nobody could adhere to. Being a good person is kind of a nebulous concept. We may well have to acknowledge that no one is a good person because good = perfect. What's important I think is that somebody is striving to be better i.e. having their own baseline and making attempts to go beyond it. That being said there might be things that are so terrible that how you respond to it does require a much greater engagement with trying to stop it. Like I'd think that being in nazi germany you may have been obligated to do things that risked your own life for instance. And with animal ag and climate change, we may well be in a situation where future generations will look back and be astonished at how few people were taking action beyond lifestyle changes.
what about if you only eat vegetarian food that is about to expire? Like when the supermarket reduces the item's price on the day they go out of date? Does this still encourage dairy consumption?
(sorry a bit of a ramble)
In terms of labels, I think I'm not yet fully a vegan. on rare occasions I eat an organic egg or cheese, I also don't (yet) avoid unvegan candy (though I do avoid unvegitarian candy) also where I live most mock meats aren't vegan (just vegetarian). I'd be ok with using 99% vegan or loose vegan for myself.
I'm not sure I'll go 100% since I feel like the amount of animal products I can cut is relatively small for quite a bit of effort. Lately, I do get a bit depressed when I see something I'm eating isn't vegan, so maybe I will switch eventually. I think I'd also switch if I lived with someone who is already or also wants to go vegan.
I’m interested in your take on backyard chickens! I’m inclined to think the chickens I would actually own would be ethical, but I’m still encouraging the breeding of chickens, and for every hen I buy, the hatchery kills a rooster (assuming chickens are 50% male).
Well, Some people do rescue them. City shelters sometimes have chickens and ducks that were taken away for either neglect or because someone had them illegally
where the zoning didn't allow for that. I live in a kind of grey zone. It's a burb, but also against the hills and in an unincorporated area so we're seeing
more and more people keeping chickens as pets and using their eggs. Other animals too. Pot bellied pigs and goats. Strictly as pets, not to eat them.
Chickens will lay eggs no matter what, so where's the conflict if the chickens are loved and well cared for?@@LucyObi
@@racheltania2464 cause it sets a really shaky precedent. A slippery slope, if you will. It's why we have factory farm eggs in the first place, for the same reasons people started farming eggs. To put it bluntly, the eggs aren't yours, and rescuing a hen and not taking her interests into account is more of the same animal exploitation. It doesn't challenge anything. It merely reinforces the status quo about animals existing in relation to human utility only. The hens also eat their eggs as well, so there's that too. Laying puts a lot of strain on their bodies, and sometimes they will eat them to survive.
Also, isn't this the same argument carnists use when they talk about meat? They only wanna eat animals who are well looked after, raised in open fields, loved and cared for. So what? They're still being bred into existence and their lives exploited for human taste pleasure- what's the difference if they live good lives or not? It's irrelevant. Same with the chickens for eggs. Whether you rescue them or not is irrelevant, especially if the whole purpose behind rescuing them is to also use their eggs. It's a contradiction and it doesn't sound very vegan to me.
There are no roosters involved. Just hens who lay eggs on their own. No one is making them lay eggs or breeding them in these situations. Had they not adopted them, they'd have been killed by the animal shelters. It seems a win win honestly. Hens get a loving home whether they lay eggs or not, and human gets chickens to love as pets with eggs as the bonus. No one is getting rid of Matilda if she stops laying eggs. She's a member of the family.@@Raziel433
I never said the chicken owners were vegan, just that they keep chickens as pets and love them. They're not the ones who bred them, they are the ones who gave them a home, good food, vet care and love. Sometimes what gets lost here is actual concern for the animals. You may not care if they had good lives or not, but that's you, sitting in your human form dismissing the quality of an animal's life. To that animal it probably matters a LOT if they spent their life in a dark cage or out running around in a field. @@Raziel433
I usually just say "l dont eat meat" as lot of people have a strong reaction if l say "l'm vegan" and usually gets very defensive like l'm attacking them and then starts debating about veganism and finally say they could never because beacon
Gorillas also eat insects, small animals, and their own poop.
13:15 I feel like his stories are half true, exaggerated for comedy or shock which makes them more entertaining. I do like the way he tells his stories though and his dry humour is very British.
Don't take Mark too seriously: it's called British humour....🙂
I find animals wanting to live to not be a compelling reason for not ending their lives. Their will to live ends immediately on death anyway. There is no afterlife where they suffer from it in some way.
As for the care factor - I do care, I also have other relational and ethical priorities - love and acceptance come first. I understand that what works for me doesn't work for everyone and I will make an impact just by being myself. I don't need to proselytise veganism in order to change hearts and minds. I alone am enough
I had to avoid calling myself vegan during classes in college (I studied Earth Science) so that teachers could take my arguments seriously. Once they found out I was vegan they would treat everything I said as biased and not scientific, even though I was always talking with evidence from scientific literature. Some teachers even went on contradicting themselves and describing Lamarckism as the “correct” theory of evolution because they believed the only reason I could still be alive and healthy as a vegan was because my family had “evolved” since my grandma became a vegetarian. Other teachers would be teaching about the environmental impacts of animal farming, but as soon as a friend informed I was vegan, they would start saying “no, veganism isn’t the right way, if everyone turns vegan the world would colapse, we would break the food chain we are in, we would risk environmental crisis”. They would say things with no scientific foundation nor anything, it just came as a reaction to thinking I was extreme for being vegan. That’s when I realized it was counterproductive for teachers to know it. So I kept on making the arguments while hiding I was vegan and then everyone would simple agree with me that migrating towards plant based foods was environmentally relevant.
I think sometimes I end up receiving some sort of discrimination for being vegan. I’ve felt this way since I was little (I grew up as a vegetarian). As soon as someone found out I was vegan/vegetarian they would all start criticizing the way I eat and tell me I would die or began pranking me with meat. I would even receive birthday letters saying “one day I will make you eat meat”. I often felt isolated in school because I was the only kid not eating meat.
10:39 you haven't changed at all. looks good. i noticed a lot of vegans look the same after 10 years but non-vegans definitely change over a decade. which is why i laughed when that one vegan degradation or whatever said one vegan was visibly degrading on camera in the past few moments of her watching the video. When y ou can click oldest videos and compare the thumbnail to the newest videos and they look exactly the same. The lighting in the room changed. Thats it.
I think it’s just the cultural differences - his very British humour and cultural sensibilities (having friends who shit talk each other to their faces etc) would rub up against your quite American cultural sensibilities imo
Hmm, hunting.I think one of the worst things abount hunting if you are intending to eat the meat is that you hang it. Many men in my mother's family enjoy hunting, especially deer. When I was a kid, 6 or 7, I think, it was very common to see a dead deer or two hanging from a tree in my uncle's front yard in season. It's awful what happened to the animal, but it also broadcasts to the world, "This is totally okay and I'm proud of what I've done." And then the deer heads on the wall in the house...
“It seems like someone socially awkward is more likely to be friends with those kind of people.” Do you have any studies to prove that? Any randomized control trials? It can’t be remotely true otherwise
I like a lot of Mark’s content but he clearly has a lot of hang ups from his days as a self professed “fat person”, and I think he often strays a little close to the line of body shaming.
But his videos about his endurance races crack me up, and the editing does entertain me.
12:55 it’s an inevitable guy thing I guess. I have non vegan friends who - occasionally - tease me with such questions. I return the favor usually and we all have a laugh at eachother.
New viewer. At 14:45, I was surprised by their lack of concern about chickens and egg care. Speculating on biological priorities, reproduction ranks no less than second or third after self-preservation? I'm open to it being a joke and they simply see it as relatively harmless when compared to hunting or factory farming (15:15).
I have to imagine you've already answered this somewhere, but I HAVE to know- what the hell is up with that blue/flesh-toned caterpillar thing you have on your shelf?? It creeps me out SO much, and I get the feeling that that's the intention?
Edit: thanks for people letting me know it's from Labyrinth! I've seen the movie but it's been a loooong time!
I don't know if she will answer but its from the Labrynth movie.
Yeah, it’s the caterpillar from the movie Labyrinth. 😆
@@Mama24loves Ah! Thank you! I've seen that movie several times, I'm not sure how I didn't recognize it. I suppose it's been like, 15 years since I last saw it. Thanks again.
@@Strega_del_Corvo Yeah, somehow I didn't realize that! Thanks!
The Labyrinth worm is adorable, you clearly have no taste lol 🐛
I think being a vegan and not judging myself for slipping a little here and there helps me to stay less judgmental towards people who eat meat.
I have watched a fair few of Mark’s videos over the years and I would say 5-10% of them have touched on his veganism which could explain why his discussions around the topic are not particularly nuanced. Also, he did have a brief go at stand up comedy when he was younger - hence the dry sense of humour and possible embellishing of his stories for comic effect.
still like your vids somehow
Mark “above average” Lewis
He has such contempt for his friends.
This is why I call myself plant based and not vegan 👍
Strange to me that the idea of having principals is not mentioned by the man. Not a fashion but a principal. Not always easy to follow.
9:50 can not tell. You have your microphone still in the way 🤦
It seems really obvious to me that he's making a silly vegan joke, and it's just a touch on the sanctimonious side with the diabetes stuff. Sorry. I don't judge people for not getting sarcasm or knowing when people are making a joke, especially as this wasn't particularly funny. But unfortunately I have experienced English humour across a spectrum of abilities, they don't care, they just have to do it.
I’m plant strong.
Maybe this isn’t obvious but isn’t being vegan a form of activism?
Yes
no, actually; an activist must have a patreon account and live off clicks and merch sales
Mark is there to entertain, he's trying to be funny.
Trying? 😂
@@MarkLewisfitness ... and succeeding ;)
I think you’re missing the point. In some circles “vegan” just means “not eating meat” and that’s it … it’s easier to say vegan instead of “whole food plant based” … do I care I’m not hurting animals .. well, not really. I’m glad I’m not, but don’t really give it a thought. I’ve recently added back in sardines … do I feel guilty…. Absolutely not … why … cos at 66 and now doing crossfit I wanted the protein without the carbs … it’s that simple. So, 2 cans of sardines 40g protein, omega 3 … no carbs …
I stopped caring because I just burned out from caring, if that makes any sense.
Eat what you want, wear what you want and leave me alone. I choose to focus on myself.
I just wish that healthcare in my country would become more expensive for people who have an unhealthy life style but I also realize that there is no way to check that and that the logistics would become impossible lol
I’m definitely fussy and I don’t care
Tbh I think being an ethical vegan and still believing people should be allowed to eat how they want...isn't necessarily mutually exclusive. I suppose I'm in the minority here.
So you’re against animal exploitation but also fine with it?
@@v_gan I don't support it, but if somebody doesn't care and wants to continue eating animal products, wtf am I supposed to do? Nothing, they can and will live their lives as they please. Your logic can also be applied to plenty of other things in your everyday life btw.
@@Devthesportsjunkie Fair enough. I was taking “should be allowed” to mean even if you could prevent them you wouldn’t.
@@v_gan Unfortunately there are plenty of carnists who know they could be living an alternative lifestyle, but choose not to due to convenience and taste 😞
@@Devthesportsjunkie it can. But when it comes to animal expliotation, there's always a victim, no matter what. It's a principle thing. Whether it's clothing, food, breeding, the end result is the unnecessary birth/death of an animal in some way shape or form. It's why the whole personal choice argument doesn't work when applied in a vegan context. Do you agree that there is a moral imperative when it comes to animal exploitation tho at least?
I was a junk food vegetarian for over 12 years. I now eat a plant-based diet. I don't feel the need to label myself. My friends and family do call me fussy. lol
I can be vegan for the animals but I absolutely do not believe it’s better for the environment. I just don’t buy it so I wish people would stop using that as a reason to go vegan.
Then convince them first that it is not better for the environment. So what makes you think so?
I eat 90% meat but I am a vegan because I don't enjoy animal cruelty.
Meat is food, plants are medicine
Eat Meat, Not Too Little, Mostly Fat
Some wild animals get over populated and have to be hunted. Unfortunately.
That microphone is way too high and blocking you. It either needs to be lower or up above you, but completely out of sight.
it's really challenging to understand vegans, sometimes. why do vegans, who are persistently trying to give higher priority to animals, get upset when they eventually achieve that goal?
Your definitely wrong objectively on the vegan label thing. You can’t eat animals and be vegan. Js.
just love hearing you say nonbinary they/them swayze 🤩
I can't watch the video if the mic is not in front of the tIts, Swayze. Next time, put it on the side or in the air.
Well you're not a vegan.
I unsubbed. you think exploiting chickens is ok bruh T-T
Where did she say that?
14:49 she thinks it's okay to own hens and take their eggs. Aka exploit them. Which is the reason we factory farm them now. Cause we thought it was okay to have them in our back yards and take their eggs the first time and look how well that turned out. It's an pretty glaring oversight, considering an ethical vegan would not be advocating for owning or rescuing hens with the intent of taking their eggs.
True. She didn't think it through.