THE EASIEST Way To Switch From Lightroom Classic to Lightroom Cloud (Desktop + Mobile)
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
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While I use Lightroom Desktop to manage, edit, and share my entire photo library, there are some differences between it and Lightroom Classic that are worth highlighting, especially for those LRC users who are thinking of switching over.
(Spoiler Alert: You totally should consider switching if you’re on the fence, and I talk about that in this livestream, too!)
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Who else is switching/switched from Lightroom Classic to Lightroom? 🙋🏻♀️
I'm a professional photographer that's been using LR Classic since the very first release of LR. But as a software geek I recognize that technologies and tools change and I'm happy to have found your channel and appreciate all the education and thoughtfulness you provide on the difference between LRC & LR. With the addition of local storage I'm this close to finding LR a suitable alternative to the LRC catalog model.
The only true obstacle for me as a professional photographer is the lack of tethered shooting. For years now I've switched back and forth between using LRC and Capture One as my capture software. Once Capture One switched to a subscription model I had to draw the line on yet another yearly software fee and have been relying on LRC. Hoping that LR will incorporate tethering before sunsetting LRC.
I appreciate the comment and checking out my channel, Rico! as for tethering... I hear you, but I am not sure how high on the list this would rank in terms of features that need to be ported over from LRC. I'm not saying that it's never going to happen... but I know that there are still many other features that would likely benefit a greater number of users. We'll see though!
I’ve already made the switch, back when Matt K put out his course on this. I watched this all the way through Brian and got some added info that Matt didn’t cover. I hope Adobe brings the needed features mentioned. 👍🏻👍🏻
At present I am about 85% convinced to switch.
I've used Lr(Classic) since day 4 in 2007.
I'll keep a catalog active . . . just in case 😉
The #1 con I have about LR is the inability to simply RENAME ❗
I DO have a fairly simple way of renaming the camera-generated cloud-based names. YES - it DOES rename the cloud-stored names!
Would be nice if Adobe made it simple.
I’m so glad to start seeing tutorials that are clearly about Lightroom CC. Hard to cull through the videos that conflate the two in terms of title but then teach only classic.
Agreed 100%. That’s why I always make it a point to add the LR icon to my thumbnails (as opposed to the LrC icon). It’s a small way to help viewers understand what I’m covering. But yeah, this channel is devoted to all things Lightroom Cloud (desktop + mobile).
Hi Brian, This was very educational. I've been so focused on editing that I haven't taken the time to learn how to create catalogs, add keywords, and other things that would be helpful. I do like this format. It's important and I need to back up my photos. Thank you!
Brian, I love your channel and respect your opinions. I've been using Lightroom from the beginning, so my catalog is extensive. I've tried to stay neutral and learn new things, but switching to LC has more negative than positive aspects for me. I use a lot of the panels in Classic and also share photos with my family using Flicker. I don't see any time savers when processing images. What I like about Classic is with all the improvements I can stay in Lightroom longer without opening Photoshop. In LC, anything I want to use a plugin, I have to access it through Photoshop. Thank you for creating a lot of helpful content. Your teaching skills are top-notch.
Brian, thank you for this video! Well Done! I have watched your other videos regarding the new Local capabilities now in LR and listened to podcasts with MattK and yourself discussing Adobe's probable departure away from LRC. I agreed with everything the two of you discussed. After using LRC for many years I decided to migrate from LRC to LR. I wanted to make the change all at once because I feel strongly that LR is the future of RAW editing with Adobe. I believe updates to LR will include some/many of the features some photographers feel are missing and I think updates will continue to make LR even more appealing to LRC users. I suspect updates to LRC will not be as frequent or as significant as those Adobe will make to LR. Adobe doesn't want to alienate thousands upon thousands of LRC users so they will take their time in encouraging/enticing LRC users to migrate to LR by the additional features they provide in the future. They don't want to upset LRC users. They want to bring them in to LR and make updates to it by providing them with everything most all photographers presently using LRC would reasonably need. I travel a lot and having all my photos on all my devices without the hassle of a catalog is a wonderful thought. I emailed you regarding how to migrate photos from LRC to LR all at once a few days ago and didn't get a reply. I am sure you have a lot going on with the new course and keeping up with all of the changes to LRC and LR so no worries. I mention that because other photographers may be wondering about that as well. Turns out that can be done. Adobe has information about that on their website and they are happy to help with that process by contacting their support number. I spent some time on the phone with a very capable individual who worked with me without success because I had some errors in my catalog. So I had to take a more time consuming approach. What I am doing may not work for everybody but it works for me. All of my many thousands of photos have been edited so I am exporting them as a JPEG files of the highest quality without a limit on the size. I am recently retired and I export the photos by folders in a methodical way and it has worked well thus far. Per one of your topics on video or podcast I have deleted hundreds of photos. I just wanted to bring up the topic of mass migration from LRC to LR to you in case that was something you wanted to briefly mention or discuss in more detail on a future video or podcast. I searched in vain online for a long time as no once mentioned it and it may help someone else who has the same question as I had. Once again, thanks for all you do in bringing over past LRC users such as myself to the wonderful new world of Lightroom Everywhere!
There is no one on earth who knows Lightroom better than Brian 🚀 Thanks for the world-class Lightroom Everywhere course!!
Stopppppppp it, homie. 😆
Just got back from a winter trip to Yellowstone National Park. I’ve been using Lr on my iPad for a number of years when I travel. For the first time I ran into two photographer sitting in the lobby of the Mammoth Inn hotel and they were both using dongles to load their images to the iPads and we got to talking. We wondered why others didn’t use Lr as we were. I’ve told others dozens of times how Lr mobile is so great on the road and never got anyone to take it up.
Good for you for striking up that conversation! I'm also baffled as to why so many photographers still don't at least give LR Mobile a shot. It's ridiculously powerful and is an absolute joy to review/edit without having to lug around my laptop. We'll get there eventually. I really do believe that.
@@brianmatiashWhy don’t I? Simple: my iMac monitor is bigger.
I used to upload to iPad, but the big problem was with maybe 30k images in just one week of wildlife photography I soon used up the 1TB online storage of Lightroom mobile. Would be great if Adobe added Local option to iPad as well as Mac
@@TC_ConnerI don’t take my iMac on trips but my images are on the iMac when I get home.
@@JonathantubaI shoot mainly landscapes, architectural, and urban scenes. Rarely shoot high frame rates so I come home after a week long trip with 1200 to 2000 pictures. I also cull images while on the trip so by the time I’m home on the desktop I might have 600 I think are good enough for a second look. I’ll then cull down more.
PS One thing not mentioned which I think makes working with both LRc and LR better is in Catalog settings in LRc under the metadata tab ensure "Automatically write changes into XMP" is ticked. Then any file in LRc catalogue can be opened in LR using the local tab with all edits already made in Classic shown.
Great point and reminder, Jonathan! Thank you!
Thank you Brian. Your description of the differences between LR and LRC is very helpful.
You’re most welcome and it’s my pleasure!
There are a few things in Lr cloud I really do like. 😊
- The AI search function is very handy in many cases.
- It's a little "snappier" and quicker than LrC - good for browsing and culling.
- Love all the preset options and recommendations and edit sharing in communities
Thanks for this video. This has given me the confidence to move from LrC to Lr, and your Lr Everywhere course is my next step.
Thanks for the great class. I've made my move to LR because I was sick tired of the LRc catalogs. The only feature I really miss is the maps tab to geolocate my photos
You’re welcome!
And I agree, a more robust map view would be a wonderful addition.
Local files is what has made me really consider going all in on LR, finally. I'd ditch the LRC/LR/PS bundle for LR (never really used PS much). I've been wanting to utilize my iPad more since culling with it is much nicer for me. Or if I'm on a trip, I can start doing it before I get home. Just the LR/LRC dance is a bit frustrating for that workflow.
The only thing that is almost deal breaking is the publish plugins. I like to mirror my library as a "web quality" jpg version. I use it to mirror into Google Photos as that has been my central sharing (family) method. As well as how good Google's AI search is. But I hadn't realized LR people search was different than LRC. It may work nicely for me (though, I still want a way to have my mirrored library nearly automatic... the family use of Google Photos is too good) from the quick testing I've done (honestly, I somehow just blocked out the People tab).
Hi Brian. Thanks for a very helpful tutorial. I currently use Lr Classic and Lr Mobile. The mobile version gives easy access to my Apple Photos. Does either LR or LR Classic have the ability to directly access the images in my Apple Photos Library? Thank you. Michael
Currently, Lightroom Desktop can migrate an Apple Photos library, but neither it nor LRC can access the library the way that LR Mobile can.
Thank you for this video (and all the rest, they're all very helpful). Regarding the cloud, while it is a great idea and local storage is becoming a bigger nonsense every day, if you have a huge library of images keyworded with L Classic (as it's my case), Adobe's rather arbitrary choice of not syncing keywords between LC and LCC will prevent you from switching (unless you don't care to lose such information, but I can hardly think of anyone willing this). So, for the moment, I can't even consider Adobe's cloud options for Lightroom.
JUST my opinion. When LR first came out - it was a massive 'cash grab' for Adobe. There was zero chance I was going to upload gigabytes and gigabytes of weddings and pay for that storage. There was zero chance. Then more recently, I tried LR and with all the tapping, clicking, sliding, it's an extremely slow workflow. I need lots of keyboard shortcuts. It seems like everything in LR is 2-3 more "clicks and taps" than the same task is in LRC. That matters when editing weddings as quickly as possible. Then, you cannot even "undo" flagging (some basic tasks). You have to unfiltered, undo what you did, then filter again. So many other issues - I could go on forever. Not enough organizational options - like stacking, color labels, etc.) I'd LOVE to just use LR on iPad. iPad is soooo powerful and I feel LR is still in the "consumer" category. I would even pay more if they had a "LR Pro for iPad" or something. Ugh.
Just my experience.
For those who do not want to upload their images to the cloud, due to cost or for whatever reason, can we use Lightroom with a NAS? This would provide the mobility and control that many photographers want. Could you do a video on how this might work?
Great video. I immediately gave Lightroom a try. One question/concern: it seems that a folder loads up much quicker in lightroom classic than when lightroom is just reading the folder. Any workarounds?
Brian, I'd like to switch but LR doesn't have the same Stacks features for bracket sets, and no export presets.
LR Desktop will not be a choice for me, until Adobe adds the same feature in LrC to sync only the smart previews on the cloud, without consuming your cloud quota. Syncing onlt smart previews allows me to have mostly my entire catalogue of photos accessible from my iphone, from my ipad for editing, and even from lightroom web (yes, lightroom web is available also for LrC users). Is it true that smart previews are smaller and lossy, but they are good enough for edit on ipad, and if I need to export the full resolution file I do it from my mac within LrC. Even the viewer and edit panel on LrC most of the time shows you only the smart previews (i think the develop module switchs to the actual raw file only if you zoom to 100%, but I can be wrong on this). So exporting and syncing only smat previews is a key feature still missing in LR Desktop.
Hi! Anyone knows where is the part where he actually tells us the way to switch?
After migrating some catalogs over from LRC and scrolling around in LR one thing stands out and that is the 1-2 sec rendering of each image. In LRC it is using the embedded jpg and there is zero lag when scrolling.
Will LR render theses in the background and I just need to wait a few days and hope it will be just as fast?
I have been trying to develop a workflow to get the best from both. I like the full resolution images being online in LR and being able to edit on iPad/iPhone, but take far too many images as wildlife photographer to upload all. Then I do want the maps module from LRc to geotag my images and it’s much better facilities to export and print. So workflow I am trying now is; 1) on MacBook select images to keep/edit using Photo Mechanic 2) using Lightroom on MacBook import selected images into Lightroom cloud 3) Start editing using all devices as uploaded 4) through the Sync facility in Lightroom Classic, images upload into Classic. 5) once all uploaded and I am back in office, geotag in Classic 6) Edit those outstanding in LRc on desktop in office (those edits sync back to LR mobile) 7) export and print as desired from LRc - can you see any problems with this workflow? I am going to try the next time I travel.
There is 2 things I prefer in LRC when I'm doing my colour correction there is the window on the left to see how it it's going to look .I can't see that in LR
2ND I have 2TB of cloud space .and that costs £20 but dropbox is half that .and im running out of space. I'm sure I can cull a lot as I may have 3 or 4 the same etc .but can I use Dropbox as it's cheaper than Adobe cloud or they will do its a bit cheaper
Lr is lacking one critical feature, in my view: autoadvance while rating or tagging photos, is it on the roadmap? Thank you.
I am on the verge of switching to lr because it fulfills all my needs with a minimum of complexity. The only thing holding me back is the question of migrating my lrc catalogue(s) to lr. My aim is to change my subscription from the photo subscription to the pure lr sub with 1 TB . Any help available on this ? Thanks for a great session.
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This is great. I’m figuring out how to get some of my pictures from LrC into Lr as full images and not just the preview. One thing I’d love to hear from you on, is that I’m trying to see if there’s a way to use Lr with all the photos in the cloud, when it downloads onto the computer, to use an external storage drive to sync to and not the storage directly on the Mac. I only have 256GB on the computer and it’s always filled up, so not sure the way to keep growing the Lightroom folders with running out of room. Hope that makes some sense.
What dimensions are you all using in LR to export ? Like in terms of long side to clients what’s the equivalent to resolution 300?
I just hope that LR Classic survives another 5 years because after that I doubt I will be around to care. In the meantime I’m not planning to abandon a system I have used since inception and can use intuitively. The ability to use LR ‘on all my devices’ has absolutely no appeal. I cannot imagine why I would try editing a photograph on a phone or tablet when I have a perfectly good iMac.
If you’ve never even attempted to edit a photo on, say, an iPad, then I don’t know what to tell you other than it is an absolute joy.
Hi Brian I'm watching this in June. So I have a question. Is there a print module in lr. I do alot of my own printing and the print module in lrc is a must. The other thing I'd say, is why not just use acr with bridge. You can get the best of lr and lrc that way, especially as I only have the 20gb plan.
Lightroom currently does not have a print module, so you'll have to either send the image to PS or export it and use the manufacturer's print software.
Biggest drawback for me switching from LR Classic to LR cloud would be Lr cloud inability print, if that was added I would consider the switch.
I like to use the stack photos feature to keep my library uncluttered. I grouped a few together in Lightroom on my mac and the stacks didn’t sync over to Lightroom classic, or to Lightroom on my ipad or iphone. 😢
The thing that neither you or Matt ever mention is that there is no way to search your local drive in LR. I spent an hour and a half on the phone with Adobe and they confirmed this.
What do you mean? There is searching via the Local tab. What sort of search term/criteria are you using that isn’t working?
I have the same issue. The metadata search is limited. The search feature in Classic allows searches across the entire folder using attributes, metadata, and text. In LR if you click on a parent folder such as "picture" LR says there are no editable pictures. Am I right that there are no smart collections/albums? When LR becomes more search rich I will consider moving over. I am sure that the few features, namely, color labels will be added.
Is it possible to change the dpi export settings in the LR cloud?
A couple questions:
1. Is there actually a need to even migrate my entire LrC catalog to Lr if I can just use the local tab to access full size images?
2. If I make the switch to using only Lr from now on, as images from my mobile device are added where do their full size images go? I have all my LrC full size images on an external drive…is it possible to direct Lr to store future imports/uploads’ full size files to that same external drive? I’ve chatted with Support on this but they struggle to understand what I’m trying to ask!
Great session!! I have switch to LR from LRC witch I used since it came out. I dont miss anything from LRC. LrC demand more data power than I have but LR don`t need so much but have all I need and more :). I save my photos from camera to cloud at first. But after I picket the ones I want to "process" I want to save all the photos to my harddrive. I use the cloud as a "work desk" where I also keep photos that is done. Also I want to save some space in the cloud. Got 2 T but ... Have you done any YT on the topic of saving photos from the cloud to hard drive? /R
Another great show, I picked up a couple of nice tips. Its a long road when your not sure of the way but I think Im heading in the right direction, thanks
Rock on, Alan! Thank you so much for hanging with me!
Brian you indicated you don’t personally use keywords, but many people do and it would be useful to provide some information on this in relation to LR vs LrC.
There isn’t much to say about it, Bruce. Both LR and LRC support keywords, however only LRC supports a hierarchical keyword structure whereas LR supports a flat one. Keywords will port over from LRC to LR if you do a catalog migration and keywords added to photos in LR desktop will sync to all other devices. You can also search and filter by keywords in LR. Not sure what else there is to discuss about it.
@@brianmatiash Thanks Brian, I guess my main issue is moving them to LR with only 20GB cloud storage but I just tested things and they are present when I look at the Local file. I do dislike, quite strongly, the LrC catalogue system and welcome the ability to move to LR but miss the ability to use color codes. I also just noted that when using the dropper in LR to set a white point, the RGB values aren't shown whereas in LrC they are. I find the LrC approach much better as I can search for something close to neutral grey.
This was very helpful. I'm wondering if there is an option to share cloud photos with other adobe ID's? For example, I want to hire someone else to do my culling and editing for me. If I add a folder of raw files to the cloud, I'd want that person to access that folder through their own Abode ID, cull and edit, and then I can see the results on my end. Is that possible?
I have watched Matt's videos on Lightroom, I've read what Lightroom Queen says about it and now I'm watching your comments, Brian and I'm convinced to switch to Lightroom (from Classic). However, I am still not clear about the process of actually making that happen in as good a way as possible. Any comments on migrating photos and folders from Lightroom Classic to Lightroom?
There is a great LR Catalog migration tool within Lightroom that you can use to bring all of your photos and edits into the app. There are considerations that you need to make, though, such as whether you have enough cloud storage for that. One option is to create smaller separate catalogs and migrate those individually. Or, you can use LR Local to selectively copy images to the cloud. There are several options based on your needs. 👍🏼
Thank you for video! I agree that LR Cloud is the way of the future. I'm a little annoyed that .xmp files are accumulating in my folders. Is there any solution?
Any thoughts on not being able to change cache location? Would love to have it on external drive due to lifespan of internal ssd(Mac)
This is really helpful. I want to make the switch but I use tethering. Is Lightroom cloud good for product photography?
Currently, Lightroom doesn't have tethering support. Aside from that, it is an outstanding photo management and editing platform.
Hi Brian, enjoyed watching this thanks. My problem with cloud storage is the problem storing tiff files and the issues they cause re downloads and syncing.I now edit the raw files in lightroom classic then refine in photoshop keeping the tiffs on separate hard drives and store high res jpgs on the cloud. The issue with this is that I do not have the original raw files. Any advice?
Hi Brian, I am subscribed to Lightroom Mobile with the 100GB plan and wondering how can I get the Ai Denoise feature? Is not available with Lightroom Mobile?
LR on the web WOW !!! 3400 unedited images in raw, I need to cull some of them ;-)
Right?! It’s one of Lightroom’s most underrated and unknown features. You can also view your entire library using the Lightroom App on Apple TV (if you have one)
@@brianmatiash Massive lightbulb moment. LR web is huge, I may have to reinstall LrC to export some keeper edits from my catalogs.
The photography 10.00 plan I have doesn’t have enough cloud storage. What do you do if that is the max you can spend? Can’t take advantage of everything in that case, correct?
I mean, you can use LR Local without syncing a single file. It has virtually every editing tool that Classic has, plus you can organize and share.
There are a few things that you miss out on if you don’t sync to cloud, though. Things like AI search (amazing) and Versions (super helpful). Still, the sheer amount of capabilities that Local offers is staggering, especially when you consider that you don’t need to manage a catalog.
@@brianmatiash Thanks again. I will consider the cost of upgrades. I am a current Capture One user. I always keep my eyes open for options and changes/challenges in my software choices.
I don’t understand the G key or move to another image as saving edits. That seems unintuitive.
G key takes you back to the grid view & in so doing tells LR that you have finished editing. Same for moving to another image.
What Phil wrote is spot on. Going to Grid or arrowing over to another image indicates the editing session of the current image is complete and signals to LR to write the metadata to the XMP or image header. It’s very intuitive because you’d burn through lots of system resources if LR would keep writing edit changes with every slider move.
@@brianmatiash oh. Ok. Got it. I’m not familiar with LR so now i get it. Thanks.
Having already taken Matt K’s “Evolving with Lightroom” course, I feel like your “Lightroom Everywhere Course” would be redundant in my case. Had I known about your’s before his this comment would be reversed. (I’ve been using Lightroom in all its many iterations since Version 4.)
So happy you did this. I was really hoping to catch this live to ask a few questions but unfortunately work got in the way.
So a few questions, I shoot mostly on my iphone but do some wildlife on my dslr for that extra reach. Iphone photos I want to edit get sync'd to LRM and I edit them, or will hop on my MBP and edit them in LRC, toss em in a folder, hop back to my phone and export to share on social media. My DSLR photos get imported into LRC, edit them, toss them in a folder and export on phone to again share on social media.
I recently moved my catalog to an external HD, just to free up some space one the Macbook. LR and Cloud seems more and more appealing all the time, as I have the 1tb photographer plan.
Sooo the question is, given my workflow above, would i just keep doing what Im doing but use LR and just skip the external HD? Or how would I do the import of the dslr photos? Import them into LR but save on the external hd? ive got about 15k photos now in my catalog/external HD.
Thanks again sir!
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I have completely converted to Lr
That’s what I like to hear!