You wanna save money? Here you go: Jan Ray is a Timmy (get the MXR version instead), ODS-1 is a Nobels ODR-1 (get the wampler alternative instead), Shanks Fuzz get the Legends of Fuzz by JHS (Bender) and for the Myriad Fuzz get the Smiley from the Legends of Fuzz by JHS. You are welcome!
Jan Ray is better than the Timmy. Sounds the same as the new timmy but it’s quieter. Shanks is better than a Nobels. The Nordland is also better than the Nobels. The Shanks and the Nordland are both better than the Wampler Belle. You’re welcome.
If the Jan ray was a Timmy, I'd still have my Timmy instead of a Jan ray. I've owned a Timmy and it was not the same. The Jan ray is simply a different pedal. It's the only overdrive pedal that has never left my board in 4-5 years and I use it for everything as an always on pedal to stacking with other pedals. It does a better job than any pedal I've tried by a mile. Tweaked Timmy or not, it's a better pedal for my taste and Timmy's are not easy to get. The mxr sounds different and is not the same.
This is like saying all tubescreamers sound identical or all fuzz faces ...they really don't. Jan Ray might be based on a Timmy, but if doesn't sound identical. And in my experience it sounds fantastic...I've kept it longer than any drive I've ever had and it's almost never not on my board which has space for just two drives
The first time I tried a Jan Ray, I'd never heard of it. I was sitting in with a friend's band around four years ago, and it was the only pedal he was using, so I stomped on it for a solo figuring well it must be some kind of OD. I was blown away, and I've played close to a hundred OD pedals over the years I reckon. After the gig I asked my friend, wtf is that pedal? He laughed and couldn't believe I hadn't heard of it. I don't own one, I can't afford it, but if I could this would always be on my board.
The Jan Ray, Shanks 0DS-1 and Myriad fuzz are in my collection along with the Dan Drive - Austin Pride et al.…now if only I could play that style of guitar you guys play. As alluded to I'm not a great guitarist but the guitar, FX etc I really enjoy having. 😃
To give Vemuram their due they make well tweaked if very expensive products. I just don't jive with the BS R&D story they told around the JanRay to justify the price of that pedal. They should have been honest about the origins of the pedal.
Playing those through a $5000 two rock amp sort of ruins the judgement of these pedals. You couldn’t just use a deluxe reverb or something standard that everyone can relate to?
Jan Ray is a slightly modified Timmy, not a unique design and not derived from trying to nail that sweet spot of black panel Fender amps. Not saying it doesn't sound great, but get a Timmy for far less £££
Sounds different and WAY better than a Timmy, BUT if you want the same sound for way cheaper, get the NUX 6ixty 5ive. It's a legit clone of the Jan Ray, with the trim pot and all, and genuinely sounds as good
Putting a bias adjustment on a trimpot on a fuzz is akin to putting the steering wheel in the boot of a car. Only someone Who misunderstands the true sonic wildness of a truly great fuzz would do such a thing. Trunk for those across the pond.
Josh Smith has an original Fuzz Face and he helped them design this pedal. He definitely knows what a vintage fuzz sounds like. This pedal is not trying to be that. It's more versatile and reliable than an old fuzz that is affected by climate and temperature. For the touring musician, a fuzz with an adjustable bias is awesome and very useful. This bias is used to switch between transistors, too, so it allows for both silicon and germanium fuzz sounds in the one pedal, and a blend of the two.
I had the Shanks and Janray, and I don’t get it. Neither one comes close to anything else in my collection. I bought based on hype and learned a valuable lesson: you could have an OG Klon, or a $350 handmade with the rarest transistors, don’t make it even worth plugging in.
I’m gonna get the Ceriatone ‘John Mayer’ amp. So am looking at this brand cause I’ve heard so much about them. Question is I’m looking to play Malmsteen and DIO songs. Which of these pedals will serve its purpose? I’ve already got the BOSS MT2-W. TIA.
Malmteens sound you need a 50 watt plexi Marshall, trannsparent od like 250 preamp DOD, Reverb and Delays.. John Mayer Ceriatone is the dumble sounds..Fender- ish with some tweaking mid .. Not suitable with Malmsteen tone..
You can easily find pedals as good for half the price that are on many big name players boards. Trust me I am a reviewer and have reviewed 2110 pedals since 2014 . I have bought over 250 since then. In fact there are a few pedals as low as $40 that in a blindfold test sound as good. The topography of the Vemuram circuits is taken from other pedals. not that this is not done by others but in short you are not paying for painstaking originally. In short these are hot rodded pedals also hotroddeded by others and their results are very good but seldom better. The casings are sold brass. The sheiding could not be better. They are made to last a lifetime. It is however needless overkill. For one thing you are very unlikely to keep one a lifetime. Pedals made in the 60's are still around and the makers saw zero reason for them to last longer than a few years. Most did indeed go out of biz because we all moved onto other makes offering better sounding pedals. Put a $30 Caline Pure Sky pedal beside a $375.00 Vermuram Jan Ray. Do a blindfold test. Most players will hear zero difference. For those that do add a drummer and a bass player and do the same test. At this point do not not bet any money you can tell anything. My favorite anecdote is the guy who thought that the Caline was the Jan Ray because the Caline was bit tighter in the low end. He is right. I made the same mistake when I heard them together. On a final note it as lot off work for our hosts to put these shows together so you really should give them a THANX ..it takes seconds to hit the thumbs up and Subscribe so please take that few seconds and do it. 😇
The Jan Ray is just a Zendrive with some even more flexible gain and treble-boost/bass-cut options in the negative feddback circuit, but for my taste for a "stolen" circuit heavily overpriced. If you play a Marshall, Orange, Dumble or Fuchs, you hardly will need it, if you play a Fender amp, they can be useful, to compensate the typical Fender sound design fails. (maybe apart from some early flat response Tweed amps) I managed not to play any Fender amps since decades and never regretted it, so I avoided a lot of sonic trouble and always got a nice tone. Without Fender and without a Jan Ray or Zendrive. The other pedals anyway do not interest me. Who seriously needs a fuzz in 2023?
lmao @ stolen circuit. "Bro that car design totally ripped off my bike, only they added 2 more wheels and an engine, oh and plus a trunk and stereo and air conditioning but other than that I can't even tell the difference. Shameful!"
@@JonWickensMusic People love to throw that word clone around. A clone is an identical copy, which means the Jan Ray would sound identical to the Timmy, which it doesn't. Circuits can share similarities, sure.. but to write something off as merely a circuit that was stolen and cloned makes it seem like you have some ulterior motive in spreading misinformation
First of all your "stolen circuit" comment is ridiculous, there is only a handful of basic circuit designs .....Tone bender, FF, Distortion+, Rat, tube screamer, and so on, and literally everything else are either variations upon a theme or direct one for one remakes sometimes with nos parts, or because the original ceased production years ago or whatever. If a boost or a drive sounds better than others its compared to then who cares, and if you dont hear the difference then good for you, save your money. Next your immature comment about Fender amps "failings" ..... Just because YOU find a typical fenders amps frequency response offensive or lacking doesn't mean thounds of other actually famous guitarists haven't made hit records with perfectly awesome guitar tones using all manner of Fender amps. Too bad so sad for you I guess. That and your comment "who needs a fuzz in 2023" is telling ...... Only musically immature people think like you speak.
If you like the Jan Ray, you should probably pay Paul Cochrane for a timmy. Vemuram copied the circuit, tweaked it a bit and passed it off as their own.
Almost every overdrive pedal Is inspired by another pedal. I owned a Timmy and I own a Jan Ray and I that they are almost nothing alike. The only thing that they have in common is that they are both transparent overdrives. Should kingtone be criticized for making the duelist/soloist because it's a copy of a tube screamer? This talk is ridiculous in the pedal world. The Jan Ray is its own pedal and it's in another league to the Timmy.
@@jamesemerson4102as someone who has experimented with pedal building/tweaking, you’re right on. All of our analog dirt pedals are variations on a handful of circuits, in general. Small tweaks to existing formulas
The real reason why guitarists are using Vemuram Pedals:They think these pedals must be good because of their higher price-range. The more expensive, the better. There's a number one rule: You are an excellent player, when you have expensive gear like the Klon, vintage guitars, Dumble Amps and stuff like that! You need to have that stuff like all the famous guitarists you admire, even if it ruins you moneywise and your wife divorces you. It doesn't matter! You need to have it and it's never ever enough. You don't have to play it. Just buy and keep it in your bedroom. It brings peace to your soul.
There only worth what the market is willing to pay. If you can get by with any other tube screamer or nobels they will do the job , these pedals won’t make you a better player and your amp and playing style may not bring out the nuances of these pedals. There blues lawyer pedals . People that want people to know they spend $500usd on one pedal because of some magic resister . Remember all the greatest guitarists never had these pedals.
No way for $30, believe me!!! But there is NOOOO way to justify what they charge, tho. And, the brass enclosure looks great, sure, but has no effect, whatsoever, on the sound. I don’t think, anyways! I make my own pedals, and for a pedal with a similar parts count, probably more even, I calculated it up, and for all the parts and components only, it came to around $65. So say even $85 for top-quality parts and components, add $100 for labor and all, that’s nowhere near what vemuram charge. Insane! I made my own Jan Ray, and it sounds great, but not 4 or 5 hundred dollars great.lol
Good luck buying products at their component costs. You probably typed that comment on an iPhone, which is marked up to a greater degree than a Vemuram. Yep, they’re expensive. They’re also really good. You’re basically paying twice as much as whatever they’re based on, but they sound 10% better. Up to you whether it’s worth it. I have the Shanks and the Jan Ray, and have compared them both to their precursors. I kept the Vemurams. Not sure I’d call it “a joke.” But I also don’t give a finger to people who drive cars or wear watches I can’t afford. We are in an era where there are quality products at every price point, so you can buy the premium stuff or you can buy budget stuff or anything in between and not feel like you’re missing something.
All the poor peasants who cant afford them,would say that Jan Ray is beyond every pedal ive ever heard..even vintage klon sound cheap compared to that. Its the most magical instrument on its own.
@@DevinMeister i can afford to play anything i want but the fact is that i sound better than you thru a 10$ pedal than you do thru a world class rig, so maybe you wanna cry for everybody a little more . Your temper tantrums are a thing of beauty!!🤣
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You wanna save money? Here you go: Jan Ray is a Timmy (get the MXR version instead), ODS-1 is a Nobels ODR-1 (get the wampler alternative instead), Shanks Fuzz get the Legends of Fuzz by JHS (Bender) and for the Myriad Fuzz get the Smiley from the Legends of Fuzz by JHS. You are welcome!
Who asked you buddy?
Jan Ray is better than the Timmy. Sounds the same as the new timmy but it’s quieter. Shanks is better than a Nobels. The Nordland is also better than the Nobels. The Shanks and the Nordland are both better than the Wampler Belle. You’re welcome.
If the Jan ray was a Timmy, I'd still have my Timmy instead of a Jan ray. I've owned a Timmy and it was not the same. The Jan ray is simply a different pedal. It's the only overdrive pedal that has never left my board in 4-5 years and I use it for everything as an always on pedal to stacking with other pedals. It does a better job than any pedal I've tried by a mile. Tweaked Timmy or not, it's a better pedal for my taste and Timmy's are not easy to get. The mxr sounds different and is not the same.
@@jamesemerson4102
agree 100%
This is like saying all tubescreamers sound identical or all fuzz faces ...they really don't. Jan Ray might be based on a Timmy, but if doesn't sound identical. And in my experience it sounds fantastic...I've kept it longer than any drive I've ever had and it's almost never not on my board which has space for just two drives
🤘👍🏿 Thanks Shanks fuzz. 🔥
as a metal player it's awesome to hear how you guys play, very cool. sweet pedal too!
The first time I tried a Jan Ray, I'd never heard of it. I was sitting in with a friend's band around four years ago, and it was the only pedal he was using, so I stomped on it for a solo figuring well it must be some kind of OD. I was blown away, and I've played close to a hundred OD pedals over the years I reckon. After the gig I asked my friend, wtf is that pedal? He laughed and couldn't believe I hadn't heard of it. I don't own one, I can't afford it, but if I could this would always be on my board.
i have the shanks and jan ray / love the shanks !! nice demo guys ; love how you play those guitars!!
My favorite Vemuram pedal is the TSV808. That one is orgasmic for the ears!
I love this store. I just bought my second two rock amp there. Great service. Great gear. Great coffee.
Thanks, Fritz! Hope you’re enjoying your new beast! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
I just acquired the Jan Ray, very pleased
Yo that Shanks ODS-1 sounds killer !
The Jan Ray, Shanks 0DS-1 and Myriad fuzz are in my collection along with the Dan Drive - Austin Pride et al.…now if only I could play that style of guitar you guys play. As alluded to I'm not a great guitarist but the guitar, FX etc I really enjoy having. 😃
Fantastic demo, film and review!
Seen more Vemuram pedals on youtubers and Instagram bedroom guitarist boards that run into neural dsp vs live musicans.
More Please!!1 TY ~cheers
To give Vemuram their due they make well tweaked if very expensive products. I just don't jive with the BS R&D story they told around the JanRay to justify the price of that pedal. They should have been honest about the origins of the pedal.
Playing those through a $5000 two rock amp sort of ruins the judgement of these pedals. You couldn’t just use a deluxe reverb or something standard that everyone can relate to?
Jan Ray is a slightly modified Timmy, not a unique design and not derived from trying to nail that sweet spot of black panel Fender amps.
Not saying it doesn't sound great, but get a Timmy for far less £££
Sounds different and WAY better than a Timmy, BUT if you want the same sound for way cheaper, get the NUX 6ixty 5ive. It's a legit clone of the Jan Ray, with the trim pot and all, and genuinely sounds as good
Putting a bias adjustment on a trimpot on a fuzz is akin to putting the steering wheel in the boot of a car. Only someone Who misunderstands the true sonic wildness of a truly great fuzz would do such a thing.
Trunk for those across the pond.
Josh Smith has an original Fuzz Face and he helped them design this pedal. He definitely knows what a vintage fuzz sounds like. This pedal is not trying to be that. It's more versatile and reliable than an old fuzz that is affected by climate and temperature. For the touring musician, a fuzz with an adjustable bias is awesome and very useful. This bias is used to switch between transistors, too, so it allows for both silicon and germanium fuzz sounds in the one pedal, and a blend of the two.
I'm not a fuzz fan ....at all. But, I LOVE my Shanks 4K.
I had the Shanks and Janray, and I don’t get it. Neither one comes close to anything else in my collection. I bought based on hype and learned a valuable lesson: you could have an OG Klon, or a $350 handmade with the rarest transistors, don’t make it even worth plugging in.
I’m gonna get the Ceriatone ‘John Mayer’ amp. So am looking at this brand cause I’ve heard so much about them. Question is I’m looking to play Malmsteen and DIO songs. Which of these pedals will serve its purpose? I’ve already got the BOSS MT2-W. TIA.
Malmteens sound you need a 50 watt plexi Marshall, trannsparent od like 250 preamp DOD, Reverb and Delays..
John Mayer Ceriatone is the dumble sounds..Fender- ish with some tweaking mid ..
Not suitable with Malmsteen tone..
Because their the best.
Bahn Jahvee...hahaha.
😂
Classic reverb amp good with pedals?
Yes! Great with pedals.
You can easily find pedals as good for half the price that are on many big name players boards. Trust me I am a reviewer and have reviewed 2110 pedals since 2014 . I have bought over 250 since then. In fact there are a few pedals as low as $40 that in a blindfold test sound as good. The topography of the Vemuram circuits is taken from other pedals. not that this is not done by others but in short you are not paying for painstaking originally. In short these are hot rodded pedals also hotroddeded by others and their results are very good but seldom better.
The casings are sold brass. The sheiding could not be better. They are made to last a lifetime. It is however needless overkill. For one thing you are very unlikely to keep one a lifetime. Pedals made in the 60's are still around and the makers saw zero reason for them to last longer than a few years. Most did indeed go out of biz because we all moved onto other makes offering better sounding pedals.
Put a $30 Caline Pure Sky pedal beside a $375.00 Vermuram Jan Ray. Do a blindfold test. Most players will hear zero difference. For those that do add a drummer and a bass player and do the same test. At this point do not not bet any money you can tell anything. My favorite anecdote is the guy who thought that the Caline was the Jan Ray because the Caline was bit tighter in the low end. He is right. I made the same mistake when I heard them together.
On a final note it as lot off work for our hosts to put these shows together so you really should give them a THANX ..it takes seconds to hit the thumbs up and Subscribe so please take that few seconds and do it. 😇
Can you tell me what sounds like the Josh Smith fuzz pedal that is much cheaper?
The Jan Ray is just a Zendrive with some even more flexible gain and treble-boost/bass-cut options in the negative feddback circuit, but for my taste for a "stolen" circuit heavily overpriced.
If you play a Marshall, Orange, Dumble or Fuchs, you hardly will need it, if you play a Fender amp, they can be useful, to compensate the typical Fender sound design fails. (maybe apart from some early flat response Tweed amps)
I managed not to play any Fender amps since decades and never regretted it, so I avoided a lot of sonic trouble and always got a nice tone. Without Fender and without a Jan Ray or Zendrive.
The other pedals anyway do not interest me. Who seriously needs a fuzz in 2023?
lmao @ stolen circuit. "Bro that car design totally ripped off my bike, only they added 2 more wheels and an engine, oh and plus a trunk and stereo and air conditioning but other than that I can't even tell the difference. Shameful!"
The Jan Ray is actually a Timmy clone, but whatever.
@@JonWickensMusic People love to throw that word clone around. A clone is an identical copy, which means the Jan Ray would sound identical to the Timmy, which it doesn't. Circuits can share similarities, sure.. but to write something off as merely a circuit that was stolen and cloned makes it seem like you have some ulterior motive in spreading misinformation
@@JonWickensMusic I could prove you the opposite, but why should I? Become happy with you "belief"!
First of all your "stolen circuit" comment is ridiculous, there is only a handful of basic circuit designs .....Tone bender, FF, Distortion+, Rat, tube screamer, and so on, and literally everything else are either variations upon a theme or direct one for one remakes sometimes with nos parts, or because the original ceased production years ago or whatever. If a boost or a drive sounds better than others its compared to then who cares, and if you dont hear the difference then good for you, save your money. Next your immature comment about Fender amps "failings" ..... Just because YOU find a typical fenders amps frequency response offensive or lacking doesn't mean thounds of other actually famous guitarists haven't made hit records with perfectly awesome guitar tones using all manner of Fender amps. Too bad so sad for you I guess. That and your comment "who needs a fuzz in 2023" is telling ...... Only musically immature people think like you speak.
If you like the Jan Ray, you should probably pay Paul Cochrane for a timmy. Vemuram copied the circuit, tweaked it a bit and passed it off as their own.
Almost every overdrive pedal Is inspired by another pedal. I owned a Timmy and I own a Jan Ray and I that they are almost nothing alike. The only thing that they have in common is that they are both transparent overdrives. Should kingtone be criticized for making the duelist/soloist because it's a copy of a tube screamer? This talk is ridiculous in the pedal world. The Jan Ray is its own pedal and it's in another league to the Timmy.
@@jamesemerson4102as someone who has experimented with pedal building/tweaking, you’re right on. All of our analog dirt pedals are variations on a handful of circuits, in general. Small tweaks to existing formulas
I can tell you timmy are shouldn’t worth that much
They did use the exact same font for the Jan Ray text as is used on the Timmy so I’d say that’s a tip of the hat to it.
Not many 808 or Klones around.
Jan ray is just a Timmy clone
The real reason why guitarists are using Vemuram Pedals:They think these pedals must be good because of their higher price-range. The more expensive, the better. There's a number one rule: You are an excellent player, when you have expensive gear like the Klon, vintage guitars, Dumble Amps and stuff like that! You need to have that stuff like all the famous guitarists you admire, even if it ruins you moneywise and your wife divorces you. It doesn't matter! You need to have it and it's never ever enough. You don't have to play it. Just buy and keep it in your bedroom. It brings peace to your soul.
A lot of money for a bag of flies.
Just a bit expensive…just a bit.
If you got the money or your in a working band, great.
Conspiracy theory and blue mini fuzz face. Drive and fuzz are done… no need for more pedals. I sold a bunch of other things.
There only worth what the market is willing to pay. If you can get by with any other tube screamer or nobels they will do the job , these pedals won’t make you a better player and your amp and playing style may not bring out the nuances of these pedals. There blues lawyer pedals . People that want people to know they spend $500usd on one pedal because of some magic resister . Remember all the greatest guitarists never had these pedals.
A joke what they charge. These are all copies of other circuits. The Jan ray can be built with top quality components for less than $30
No way for $30, believe me!!! But there is NOOOO way to justify what they charge, tho. And, the brass enclosure looks great, sure, but has no effect, whatsoever, on the sound. I don’t think, anyways! I make my own pedals, and for a pedal with a similar parts count, probably more even, I calculated it up, and for all the parts and components only, it came to around $65. So say even $85 for top-quality parts and components, add $100 for labor and all, that’s nowhere near what vemuram charge. Insane! I made my own Jan Ray, and it sounds great, but not 4 or 5 hundred dollars great.lol
Good luck buying products at their component costs. You probably typed that comment on an iPhone, which is marked up to a greater degree than a Vemuram. Yep, they’re expensive. They’re also really good. You’re basically paying twice as much as whatever they’re based on, but they sound 10% better. Up to you whether it’s worth it. I have the Shanks and the Jan Ray, and have compared them both to their precursors. I kept the Vemurams. Not sure I’d call it “a joke.” But I also don’t give a finger to people who drive cars or wear watches I can’t afford. We are in an era where there are quality products at every price point, so you can buy the premium stuff or you can buy budget stuff or anything in between and not feel like you’re missing something.
Jan ray is an overpriced timmy
meh. get someone over 21 to review:)
hype. i had them, they are great , especially the shanks, but not worth the price.
Gripe!.... i have them, they are great , especially the shanks, and well worth the price!
All the poor peasants who cant afford them,would say that
Jan Ray is beyond every pedal ive ever heard..even vintage klon sound cheap compared to that.
Its the most magical instrument on its own.
@@DevinMeister i can afford to play anything i want but the fact is that i sound better than you thru a 10$ pedal than you do thru a world class rig, so maybe you wanna cry for everybody a little more . Your temper tantrums are a thing of beauty!!🤣