Waldorf Pulse 2 vs Moog Minitaur
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- I made the same sound/preset in both synths obviously the Waldorf Pulse 2 have more wave forms and a third oscillators. I try to imitate the same architecture in both synths.
First part of video: WAVES & OSCILLATORS & FILTERS
Second part: ENVELOPES & FILTER ENVELOPE
Third part: FILTERS (Resonance) & ENVELOPES
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I've become fascinated by these little desktop boxes. Actually, amazed at their capabilities is more like it. I'm 65 now, and have been a synth consumer since 1972 when I bought my first EMS Synthi-AKS. Over the years I've had too many synths to count, including two Synthis, 3 Minimoogs and 2 EML-101 + EML 200 Combos. I've had my share of digital synths also. Then, about five years ago, I started selling off my hardware synths, and purchasing software ones. We recently downsized our house and my studio space has shrunken significantly. Hardware synths take up space (at least they used to), so going the software route seemed to solve most of the space problems. Most of the software recreations of completely digital synths (e.g., Korg Wavestation) are pretty much indistinguishable from the hardware (except they tend to be cleaner with less noise), and I'm pretty amazed at how close analog recreations, like Diva, can get to real analog tonalities. When we moved into the new house, I convinced my wife that I could stick all of my "studio" components into one "desk". The one hardware synth I kept was a Kurzweil PC3K8, because I have had a Kurzweil in my studio since the K2000S, and because it's lightweight Fatar keybed is very responsive to my somewhat arthritic fingers (I still have my original K2000S in a closet, BTW). When I got the desk built, I realized that there was a lot of room on the main desktop. On a whim, I purchased a Behringer Deepmind 12D. I never integrated it into the system, and because of its form factor, it took up a lot of room on the left side of the desktop, blocking the lower three rack spaces on the left side rack speaker tower. I played with it a bit, through headphones, but was never really impressed by it. I knew that I wanted to put some hardware back in my kit, so I sold it and the first thing I purchased was a used Waldorf Blofeld. Even though it's a digital synth, the kinds of sounds you can get out of it absolutely dwarf the Deepmind, even in its analog emulation. The best thing about it, though, was its form factor. At about the time the Blofeld arrived, I had installed a newly built AMD Threadripper based computer running Windows 10 as my DAW host (Studio One 4.5, Cakewalk Bandlab, Mixcraft 8). That was when I found that my trusty old MOTU MIDI Timepiece AV (USB) didn't want to work with Windows 10. I pulled it from the right-side rack and replaced it with an iConnectivity mio-10. This was the move that provided an epiphany in that the mio supported USB midi connectivity as well as normal 5-pin DIN MIDI. Since the mio supported 20 physical MIDI devices, I started reevaluating what I wanted to do with my one-desk studio. Then, I saw an ad for the Roland D-05. Back in the day, I always wanted a D-50, and it may be the only synth I ever lusted after but never purchased (newly arrived kid). I found one used at a good price and purchased it. When it arrived I was overwhelmed by how the little box was a real D-50. The Digital Natives never danced with more joy. I now had two hardware digital synths sitting on less than one half of my desktop space. The PC3K8 (in the keyboard drawer) may be the perfect "hammer action" synth for me, but I have always been intrigued by sequencers (my Synthis has the KS sequencer, and I had multiple Oberheim DS-2s and Sequential Model 800s, back in the day). Well, the Arturia Keystep and Beatstep appeared to fulfill anything I could ever want in external step sequencers, with the Keystep providing its miniature keyboard, to boot. Although the Diva produces some pretty remarkable analog synth emulations, it seemed like maybe I should look into some of the mini desktop synths. While I was looking for a monophonic synth, I happened upon Daniel Fisher's (from Sweetwater) demo of the Behringer Model D. As soon as I heard the raw oscillators, I realized that it truly was a Minimoog and sounded much more like the original than the Voyager ever could. So, I bought one. I don't regret that purchase, and I will keep my Model D, but its totally analog format, while nostalgic and quite satisfying, really wasn't fitting into my workflow. I asked myself how much I really would need a Mini in the way I work today, and answered "not much". So, my search went out for another analog Mini replacement (i.e., monosynth with patch storage ability and maybe more performance features. Having been delighted with the Roland D-05, the first synth I looked at was the Roland SE-02. I've been a Studio Electronics fan for quite a while and I thought that, since they were mostly famous for Minimoog mods, their synth should be a killer. I borrowed one and really began to like it, except it really didn't come close to the Behringer Model D in emulating a real Mini, and the only thing it really offered was digital patch saving. I decided I didn't want one. 1970s string synthesizers were a very important part of my music past, and even though I had a Mellotron M400 for most of the 70s, the stuff I produced with it doesn't come close to what I created with my Univox Stringman, Elka Rhapsody and ARP Solina, that far outweighed my Mellotron work. So, before I purchased the Mini+ solution, I bought a used Waldorf Streichfett, even though I had/have more string synth VST plugs than you can count on your fingers. So, now that I have about 2 sq ft available on my "desktop", I finally get to this thread, and the reason I am posting this bizarrely verbose tome. Having the Blofeld, and being a Waldorf fan from about the mid 80s, I decided to explore the Pulse 2. The video to which I'm replying was largely responsible for me purchasing a used Pulse 2, and the wooden rack that holds both it and the Blofeld. However, after reviewing about 20 CZcams videos on the Moog Minitaur, and seeing how much development Moog Music had put into the editor, and becoming assured that the editor was no really Windows 10 compatible, I decided to purchase a used Minitaur. Tonight, I made the purchase.
Must pick up a blofeld at some stage, i like the sounds it can make.
@@lardosian I run a blofeld keyboard paired with a blofeld module. Incredible the sounds and layers that can be made. Only stupid thing is you can only adjust tempo for arps externally.
That was an interesting read
Oh wow what a journey, enjoy your toys!!
Now I absolutely need to know which one you liked best!!!
Pulse2 has crazy deep programmability for a wide range of unusual and weighty mono timbres.
Great shootout! It's pretty clear the Pulse 2 can do about 98% of the Minitaur, but I'd wager the Minitaur can only do 25% of the Pulse 2. Also shows the Pulse 4 pole LP is pretty classic Moogy. With the hard C5 upper note limit on the Minitaur, makes the Waldorf a no-brainer purchase.
4 years, but I had to state that the cap is on C4 :(
If it was C5, I would not be looking further for a replacement (and end up here)
And you can save your patches!
The Waldorf Pulse 2 is definitely more versatile I would say... plus the Minitaur doesn’t have analogue must have stuff like the noise dial. But one plus is The Moog Minitaur is layed out in a way in which you can access all of the functions, which is appealing!
Great comparison
Really excellent
They do work nicely together, layered. The pulse2 is sharp and punchy and the minitaur is smooth and creamy.
Thanks!!! ;)
Playing this while I work, I'm only looking up when something catches my ear. Sometimes I look up to what I think is the Moog (assuming it to be warmer and richer), and the Waldorf (which I would assume is punchier and more "forward") is on deck- and vice-versa.
I don't think you could go wrong with either.
The Minitaur really sounds particularly great from 1:55 through to 2:36. I think it's in it's element there. But I bet you could find lots of nuanced sounds of that caliber on the Pulse 2 as well. The Waldorf reminds me old Roland analogues like the SH101 or SH2 or 5 even whereas the Minitaur reminds of a classic Moog from the 70s. Both are awesome. Probably one of the few times where I felt it would be best to just have both. They seem to compliment each other very nicely.
Moog sounds fuller and deeper. Waldorf more aggressive. Both great. Waldorf more possibilities, not just bass.
Great video! The Pulse 2 have some insanely fast envelopes. Great for drums too. I love mine.
I owned a pulse 2 years ago but had to sell it, I am about to buy another. It's not as quick to edit as several others I've owned but it has a sound that cuts thru a dense mix like few others. This video does a great job showing how truly remarkable the pulse can sound. I've owned too many synths to list here but I'd say it's one of my top picks. I've owned the blowfly keyboard and although I liked it there were too many bugs. I bought the pulse with some suspicions and discovered it is rock solid.
I Love Pulse 2...
They complement each other nicely, here! Thanks! I love that Moog keeps updating the Minitaur’s firmware, but folks also need to recognize that modeled after the Taurus pedals, it has limited octave range. Get both. ;-) Peace out, Daniel
Thanks four you comment!!!
I'm probably a bit biased - I've been into moogs for awhile but only recently bought a minitaur - I like that creamy moog sound better than the pulse. Also, this video is almost 12 months old, nice thing about the minitaur is that you can access additional features via moog's free plugin. There was just an update and you can now hard sync the oscillators, the LFO now has 5 different waveforms you can choose from, and you can modulate each oscillator independently, etc. and in the VST you can set up a chain of up to 16 synths to create polyphony.
very helpful with the mixers above. They are surprisingly close IMHO. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing! IMO Minitaur sounds warmer when you play with its filter. Both synths oscilators are fat! I'm thinking about getting Waldorf for its capabilities
Thanks for your comment. Both synth sound so good. In my opinion the sound of the waldorf pulse 2 is more aggressive. The Moog Minitaur are more creamy. And if you push up the resonance the Minitaur wins. But as you say the Pulse 2 have more large capability of sound (third osc, 8-4 voices of paraphonia, more oscillator waves, modificators...) It's a good buy...
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love the moog sound, but for versatility and experimentation the pulse is incredible - it never stops being inspiring. love the minitaur sound, but it is pretty limited in comparison - but at what it does do is fantastic. if it's your only mono in a setup, the pulse can cover more ground, but if you want that moog sound.....ps would love to see the Obie SEM in the mix too.....
I have the Pulse 2 and love the sounds you dialed in that video. It would be great to have you post your settings somewhere. Keep on the great job.
Hi, sorry but this is a improvisation... I don't save the presets...
Good presentation. Waldorf Pulse 2 is a winner for me. It's much more capable than Minitaur
Thanks... Yes... I love the flexibility of the pulse 2... but the minitaur filter.... is Moog...
Nice. just ordered the Waldorf. I have the ModelD, Peak, Deepmind6 SH-201 and Microkorg1. No idea what Im doing. Maaaaaan I like the way you turn those knobs. and get them to sound the same with ease!!!! Do a peak and deepmind 6 jawn for me.
i personally more digging pulse2 sound over minitaur, but the UI for my preference in minitaur much more suitable.
i can't really understand waldorf's decision to use front panel real estate that way (i know they copied original pulse design, but still that not explains why they did so on original pulse), oem price of the knobs is not that high, but that would make it much more usable.
i hope in pulse3 they do either that, or at least will add sequencer into it.
Hi there, I think we are on the same boat - looking for a more modern digitally controlled fat analogue mono-synth that would be an upgrade over Pulse 2 and Minotaur/Sirin. Are you aware of anything like that on the (used) market these days?
@@RadekPilich i myself chosen Roland SE-02 for this role, it's not the rawest sound, but quite fat (i've used it in several latest videos, including set for palacio)
or korg monologue - on used market i think you could get it very cheap, like for 150
No había contemplado el Pulse 2. Sonidazo. Saludos de Miguel & Mike.
Gracias por el comentario Miguel!!! Espero haberte echado una mano a la hora de decidirte. Saludos!!!
@@dtekproduk Gracias a esta demo y otros consejos compré el Minitaur. Es como un caballo desbocado imparable. A día de hoy lo estoy cambiando por el Pulse 2, que, al ser parafónico, creo que me dará más juego. Pero tampoco las tengo todas conmigo. El Minitaur lleva años en el mercado y con gran éxito. Me ha dado muchas alegrías. Espero no equivocarme. Es difícil decidirse. Saludos y muchas gracias por esta demo.
Awesome thanks you very much !!!...I will be purchasing the Pulse ! :)
Good choice bro!!!
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WOW Waldorf sound AWESOME! Had a Moog Minitaur, issues with midi freeze, patches refused to save/load, unreliable.
Other Moogs I have owned or tested often had problems as well. Moog QC seems off. Really annoying!
si que es algo más chillón y agresivo el pulse. buen vídeo hermano!
Gracias por tu comentario Daniel.. Un saludo!!!
it's a lot about the analoge envelopes and lfos of the moog. these parts are digital in the waldorf.
i have some gear to compare , and all those with analoge control of the vca/filter have much smoother tone. seems i have the ears of a bat. ;)
Sounds like the filter tracking is switched off on the Pulse? Makes the filter sound quite different. Would be nice to hear some sounds with 2 detuned oscs and glide. The moog sounds really good like that, you can hear each osc moving. Would be interesting to hear if the Pulse can copy it. Good video.
3:52 that real organic Moog sound..I own the old rack mount Waldorf Pulse + but really want a Minitaur. Thanks for this proper AB shootout.
Thank you for coment
Yeah Waldorf was pretty close to the Moog for me would be hard to tell in a mix so this makes the Pulse a better buy as it can play pads and get much more interesting sounds so in a more limited setup with less gear this would be it..
Hate that word Organic these are all highly synthesized sounds organic would be for some acoustic instrument you need to mic up & the Pulse + is an old model so i wouldn't be comparing it to the Pulse 2.
@@georgegeorgio1751 o would rather have the pulse +
Buen trabajo!!
Gracias tio, viniendo de ti es un halago... ;)
great video, many thanks!
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Could you please make a video of its paraphonic capabilities please?))
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I thought I'd like to get a minitaur. But thanks, i already have Pulse2
This is very nice comparision video! Thank you.
I already have a Moog Minitaur, but also would like to buy the Waldorf Pulse for this capabilities)
Which one is your personal favorite? I am looking for a dedicated bass synth for techno. (mostly low end, sub bass, deep bass). Have other synths to take care of my lead sounds. What about Bass Station 2 or Moog Sub Phatty?
This is interesting. I have both of these and because of an endless supply of over engineered weak sounding patches on the Pulse 2 I thought that the Minitaur spanked it`s ass for some meat and potatatos Analog beef but this shows that they are not all that different really. Am suprised that Waldorf didn`t really put in a bunch of classic beefy analog patches in the units when shipped
Me too, I dont like the factory presets. I love make my own presets.
yeah, all waldorfs have shitty presets
yes the presets put me off the Pulse 2 & my Blofeld initially too
They were waiting for you to create a a custom bank to include on the next release =)
Same experience here.
great!!
both are very nice :)
I believe it's possible to play a guitar or bass through the Waldorf, to process the original sound, using the external audio input. Is that correct? Does the Moog do the same?
Yes John, you can process audio using the externat input. With the Moog too.
Thanks :-)
Really good video with comparison of these two great synths!!!
However I miss some realy deep, smooth and pure sub with long notes as you did around 2:17 -2:35.
Is it possible to create that kind of sub on these two?
Yes it is possible... Soon I make more videos of this synths and I try to do more deep and sub.
dtekproduk Thanks, looking forward to it
I have both and like both but I get more use out of the Minitaur even though it`s much simpler but then again I have many Synths so I generally only need many of them to excel at one thing and the Minitaur defo does that !
Maybe if you stopped playing around with the easy to program synths for a while you'd open your mind to more complex sounds.
@@georgegeorgio1751 Minitaur is for bass, it`s not complicated, I only expect it to do bass and a bit of sample and hold variation and it does that very well, for more complex stuff then I`ll use my Prophet Rev2 2 or similar innit
Beware of the oscillator's levels on the Waldorf. They have to be really low not to begging saturating. By low I mean low... Like 20% each or something. It sounds very Moogy if you do that.
I agree, they even say so in the manual :)
I bought Minitaur and I hate it gonna sell and buy something better
Why? I was thinking of getting a Minitaur :')
Only for bass tho
Di Sc it has grown on me more since making the comment, I just feel most of the onboard presets I do not truly understand where moog was coming from though you can tweak them yourself for better results.
@@lukecolledge5950
Good. Yea some gear is not so rewarding at first, until you really spend some time with it. But whatever, I was just curious hehe
Minitaur = Les Paul, Pulse 2 = Superstrat (Ibanez JEM / Jackson Soloist).
How do you make a TB-303 like-sound in the Pulse2? Also, does anyone know where I can start to find patches for it?
I prefer the attack, articulation, and tone of the minitaur
wizard
joder es dificil distinguirlos si no ves la imagen
Si verdad... Para mi es un poquito mas cremoso el Moog y el pulse mas agresivo...
+caballote caballo esa era la idea... Jejeje. Un saludo!!!
Moog is smoother and deeper sounding to me. This is the bass sound from Code of Acid czcams.com/video/atUc41GeuOY/video.html
CZcams rubbish for comparing synths with their compression and EQ and stuff... the only best way to compare is demo in in-store through monitors with no compression
Me quedo con los 2
Yo de momento tambien...jejejejejeje
I've become fascinated by these little desktop boxes. Actually, amazed at their capabilities is more like it. I'm 65 now, and have been a synth consumer since 1972 when I bought my first EMS Synthi-AKS. Over the years I've had too many synths to count, including two Synthis, 3 Minimoogs and 2 EML-101 + EML 200 Combos. I've had my share of digital synths also. Then, about five years ago, I started selling off my hardware synths, and purchasing software ones. We recently downsized our house and my studio space has shrunken significantly. Hardware synths take up space (at least they used to), so going the software route seemed to solve most of the space problems. Most of the software recreations of completely digital synths (e.g., Korg Wavestation) are pretty much indistinguishable from the hardware (except they tend to be cleaner with less noise), and I'm pretty amazed at how close analog recreations, like Diva, can get to real analog tonalities. When we moved into the new house, I convinced my wife that I could stick all of my "studio" components into one "desk". The one hardware synth I kept was a Kurzweil PC3K8, because I have had a Kurzweil in my studio since the K2000S, and because it's lightweight Fatar keybed is very responsive to my somewhat arthritic fingers (I still have my original K2000S in a closet, BTW). When I got the desk built, I realized that there was a lot of room on the main desktop. On a whim, I purchased a Behringer Deepmind 12D. I never integrated it into the system, and because of its form factor, it took up a lot of room on the left side of the desktop, blocking the lower three rack spaces on the left side rack speaker tower. I played with it a bit, through headphones, but was never really impressed by it. I knew that I wanted to put some hardware back in my kit, so I sold it and the first thing I purchased was a used Waldorf Blofeld. Even though it's a digital synth, the kinds of sounds you can get out of it absolutely dwarf the Deepmind, even in its analog emulation. The best thing about it, though, was its form factor. At about the time the Blofeld arrived, I had installed a newly built AMD Threadripper based computer running Windows 10 as my DAW host (Studio One 4.5, Cakewalk Bandlab, Mixcraft 8). That was when I found that my trusty old MOTU MIDI Timepiece AV (USB) didn't want to work with Windows 10. I pulled it from the right-side rack and replaced it with an iConnectivity mio-10. This was the move that provided an epiphany in that the mio supported USB midi connectivity as well as normal 5-pin DIN MIDI. Since the mio supported 20 physical MIDI devices, I started reevaluating what I wanted to do with my one-desk studio. Then, I saw an ad for the Roland D-05. Back in the day, I always wanted a D-50, and it may be the only synth I ever lusted after but never purchased (newly arrived kid). I found one used at a good price and purchased it. When it arrived I was overwhelmed by how the little box was a real D-50. The Digital Natives never danced with more joy. I now had two hardware digital synths sitting on less than one half of my desktop space. The PC3K8 (in the keyboard drawer) may be the perfect "hammer action" synth for me, but I have always been intrigued by sequencers (my Synthis has the KS sequencer, and I had multiple Oberheim DS-2s and Sequential Model 800s, back in the day). Well, the Arturia Keystep and Beatstep appeared to fulfill anything I could ever want in external step sequencers, with the Keystep providing its miniature keyboard, to boot. Although the Diva produces some pretty remarkable analog synth emulations, it seemed like maybe I should look into some of the mini desktop synths. While I was looking for a monophonic synth, I happened upon Daniel Fisher's (from Sweetwater) demo of the Behringer Model D. As soon as I heard the raw oscillators, I realized that it truly was a Minimoog and sounded much more like the original than the Voyager ever could. So, I bought one. I don't regret that purchase, and I will keep my Model D, but its totally analog format, while nostalgic and quite satisfying, really wasn't fitting into my workflow. I asked myself how much I really would need a Mini in the way I work today, and answered "not much". So, my search went out for another analog Mini replacement (i.e., monosynth with patch storage ability and maybe more performance features. Having been delighted with the Roland D-05, the first synth I looked at was the Roland SE-02. I've been a Studio Electronics fan for quite a while and I thought that, since they were mostly famous for Minimoog mods, their synth should be a killer. I borrowed one and really began to like it, except it really didn't come close to the Behringer Model D in emulating a real Mini, and the only thing it really offered was digital patch saving. I decided I didn't want one. 1970s string synthesizers were a very important part of my music past, and even though I had a Mellotron M400 for most of the 70s, the stuff I produced with it doesn't come close to what I created with my Univox Stringman, Elka Rhapsody and ARP Solina, that far outweighed my Mellotron work. So, before I purchased the Mini+ solution, I bought a used Waldorf Streichfett, even though I had/have more string synth VST plugs than you can count on your fingers. So, now that I have about 2 sq ft available on my "desktop", I finally get to this thread, and the reason I am posting this bizarrely verbose tome. Having the Blofeld, and being a Waldorf fan from about the mid 80s, I decided to explore the Pulse 2. The video to which I'm replying was largely responsible for me purchasing a used Pulse 2, and the wooden rack that holds both it and the Blofeld. However, after reviewing about 20 CZcams videos on the Moog Minitaur, and seeing how much development Moog Music had put into the editor, and becoming assured that the editor was no really Windows 10 compatible, I decided to purchase a used Minitaur. Tonight, I made the purchase.