SMART BREAKERS - Remotely Controlled Circuit Breakers
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 20. 07. 2024
- If you ever get into the commercial service side of the electrical industry, you'll most likely come across SMART BREAKERS. In this episode, we talk about what smart breakers are and how they work.
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A smart breaker is very much a standard circuit breaker, that operates on electromagnetic and thermal protection. They trip like a standard breaker, the reset like a standard breaker, but they're a bit more complex than one.
A typical smart breaker has both line-voltage and low-voltage terminals that get wires landed on them. The line-voltage terminal is just like a regular breaker, accepting the load conductor that goes out to a circuit. The low-voltage terminal is a much lower voltage signal input that allows communication to happen from a low voltage controller. This controller will communicate with the breaker remotely and can command the breaker to turn on or turn off. There's also a manual override switch on them that will allow a user to "break" the communication circuit manually.
The reason smart breakers are used, for example in large grocery stores, is to be able to monitor specific equipment that food is stored in (refrigerated deli cases). If something happens to that piece of equipment, and it just shuts off, the workers may not know anything has happened and the food could spoil quickly. Extrapolate this to the entire store going down, you could imagine the catastrophe that could cause. So when there's a problem, the remote monitoring service that watches over the store can see it and address it immediately.
Another use for smart breakers is for lighting control. For the same reason as above, if several rows of lighting go down, monitoring will know about it immediately. So in a way, smart breakers are similar to shunt-trip breakers in that they can signal the breaker to turn on and off from a remote location or an event, rather than the breaker only being able to be manually turned on and off while standing in front of it.
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I watched this video since I was looking at smart breakers, but for a slightly different purpose: Energy monitoring in a residential setting. As part of a smart home it would be nice to know how much energy is used by each circuit. I looked at the Leviton system, which looks like what I want, but there are other systems as well (one thing I liked about the Leviton panel is no pigtails with AFCI/GFCI breakers, but that is really minor, although it makes for a neat and easy installation). Other smart features such as notifications when a fault occurs and remote turn on/off is a plus, but less important for residential. All part of a smart home / building. Would love to see future video on that and hear your thoughts. Thank you for all of your videos, you are fantastic! Love your work!
You should look at emporia vue monitoring solution. Cheapest solution on the market, can be jailbroken for totally stand-alone integration and off-cloud monitoring.
It would be nice to get a room by room breakdown of consumption. I work from home, and it would be nice to know how much I spend on electricity in my home office for business purposes. Local control on a LAN would be nice, but if an internet conection isn't optional, I'm not interested.
â @@willdwyer6782The breakdown would depend on your wiring since you can only measure entire circuits at the panel level. If youâre just interested in your home office you could use smart plugs or something like Shellys to monitor your consumption that way.
You Miss the Schneider Electric smart panels, used in Europe for a while and now in the US New home are been installed. Regular electricians canât deal with it because they are not trained. Took me a few weeks to been in classes to install and setup those new panels but is gonna be the future in service. I love it.
Great video. I've worked with these systems b4 some even have a user interface on the panel to setup and test the "zones" locally. Pretty cool stuff bruh.
Yea B4. What's the point of b4 . Why don't you just finish the whole sentence like that bruh.
đ Great vid! Have you installed a lot of these?
Wow dustin that was a good video ive been doing this for about 8 years and i never knew about them. so something funny i think youve talked about it before but ya i was a second year in school doing commercial electrical and i thought i knew it all. once i got into 3rd year i finally relized i dont know shit so i used my ears more then i used my mouth i just shut up and listened and its actually got me in better situations . i listen before i speak now anyways im sure you can relate but fun fact.
I was just thinking about this the other day. My rental house for example. Having a smart switch to notify myself if there is an issue, as well monitor power usage. I saw leviton has a new system out. Still unsure as some think it won't last.
Good job amigo I appreciate your video
Entertainment venues have started using these type of systems to remotely turn on and off theatrical lighting and audio equipment via DMX lighting protocols. Itâs less expensive than putting in a theatrical dimming system. Plus, a lot of live theatres are changing over to LED instruments and not using tungsten sources.
So cool! My school has the hallway lights programmed to bell schedule. Every time the lights turn off i hear an audible click coming from closets. Must be what they use.
could be an older relay system. Was common for schools in my area.
@@intertan ahh cool. You are probably right. It's an old building
Seems something like this too if you needed to shut it off to do work on that circuit even a LOTO would need a special process like put in manual only mode then turn off so that the monitor service does not re-activate it while it is being worked on.
What about just a plastic placeholder, and you can remove the entire breaker and place a lockable placeholder in its place?
Man I would love to see some of them with zwave integration for residential.
Leviton Has a smart panel for Residential with smart breaker.
Do any of these exist for drop in replacements for single breakers on a normal US home breaker panel? (Not talking about the ones that need their own box)
So if you manually flip the breaker off, the monitoring service can still turn it back on? I'd make darn sure the circuit I was working on was set manual so they couldn't. Their ability to monitor doesn't take priority over my desire not to be shocked or worse.
In Europe these smart breakers are booming. They work via Alexa (or other app) and ideal for 2nd home lighting, poolpump, irrigation system etc. When it rains you turn off the irrigation. With a remote camera you can check if it works too!
You can also shutoff breakers as people come and go. Eliminate phantom power use when no one is home. Motion can control circuit instead of switch
Safer and more environmental to turn off all circuits that are not critical when no one is there. IE bathroom circuits that have heaters. It prevents fires from left in heater (common) or just failures that cause shorts and possible fire.
There is this one big wiring network on ground floor of my folk's house. I have narrowed a fault to just 2 rooms and want to install a WiFi RCD at start of each of these 2 rooms. Is that possible? At the moment the fault triggers the one RCD which controls the ground floor and causes blackout until I wait 10s and put the switch back up.
Love your videos. I myself work with Rogers electric âĄïž.
You are the best. I'm an electrician in training. I watch your videos every day.
Nice to meet you my friend, thank you for watching!
This would be good for a pool subpanel. Can solve a lot of automation issues (Turing on pumps, lights, etc.)
Look for a better solution.
This is not a relay, it's a circuit breaker.
have you seen the new leviton smart load centers? line and neutral actually screw into the panel, and the smart breakers just snap on.
Square D has a similar solution. It's temping to put one of the new load centers like that in my house when I upgrade to AFGF breakers.
This is very dangerous having someone other than yourself with the power to decide when and where you have power. Big brother is extremely deceiving right now. A shady electrical contractor just installed one of these on my momâs house and now I have to check if these breakers are in manual or auto. Iâm now looking at traditional panels and breakers to replace what they did. This guy butchered the walls and outlets throughout the house. The whole purpose was to get a reputable company to verify the safety and integrity of electrical system in this older house which only had a 100 amp main. With all these extra appliances and electronics now days, she was starting to have issues here and there throughout her house. She gave him a $2000 deposit and now wants an additional $2900 for work that is now more dangerous than before.
i think this would be overkill when you can buy a smart switch puller and just pull the breaker left or right using a phone app
Any links to various smart breaker spec sheets?
Can you make an updated video of this. I have solar and want to create demand control for my solar. That is connected to wifi. So if I want to shut off my water heater or my room light outlets
There was a papanel and breaker setup that had dual (utility and emergency) or built in transfer swicth that you could program wicth loads swicth over and when that could be programmed to switch to the generator side without a loss of power or flickering lights
The cool thing is the that breaker can also sense amperage and set at a very low amperage
I can't remember the name of the company
Are you talking about a UPS system?
@@Ephesians-ts8ze no
I was telling my journeyman about how i watch your videos because he said he worked for rodgers at one point lol
what are your thoughts on the Leviton load center and the associated smart breakers? Any pros/cons I should be aware of?
It's heading that way whether we like it or not.
You should see some of the heavy switchgear Iâve been building lately
I'd like to see a video about the risks of locking in to one brand of internet-connected cloud-hosted startup company tech for something as basic as home utilities. My house has two Square D QO panels installed in the 1980s, I can still buy breakers for them today. For goodness' sake, you can still buy replacement breakers for Federal Pacific panels and they're... well you did a whole video on that. If I install a smart panel, and five years from now I need to add a circuit, am I going to need to re-do the panel all over again because I can't get an 'obsolete' 2022 model year breaker, or the company folds and I can't reconfigure the panel without their cloud server? Smart panels are a really interesting idea but I need to have confidence it's going to be done once and last 25+ years, and "smart" devices are not known for longevity. Am I mistaken? Do any of these smart panels at least use some sort of open standard that someone else might manufacture parts or independent controllers for?
When did this start? And which panels do it?
Does anyone know of a company that provides Smart Breaker installation in Maryland?
I'm building my house now and I've been looking into this smart stuff. I just can't find a real value for a single family residential use except thermostat. It feels like more problems to solve.
The French Guy smart switches are good for me at least. Especially when you have pets at home when traveling for a couple days. Being able to turn lights on n off as well as outside security lights. Almost to the point where youre already in bed and forget a light somewhere or your kids forgot you can use your phone to kill the lights
If you are looking to justify the cost of smart devices I can believe it hard to justify the cost. So let me give you a few examples that give a friend of mine value.
A friend has a lake house used by family and friends.. yes she loves the thermostat, but there is a smart valve on the main water line, the outside porch lights can be turned on from the her parked car. She can water the grass remotely. The front door bell/camera is important and the last device are the door locks...
These devices give her peace of mine and that alone was enough. She had a flood once now the water sensor will shut off the house water... tripping on the front entry stairs is a real problem when they are not light... strangers at the door...
Think about these smart devices how they help day to day... and how they help when something goes wrong. Then you will see their real value.
Not worth it for residential to have smart breakers, though energy monitoring is handy. Smart lighting is useful too. I've been slowly introducing smart automation in my home and that's where I have found the most use along with door locks. One press of a button at my bed and all the lights in the house go off and the doors lock.
How it works for real this time
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Check out the new Eaton Power Defense Circuit breakers!! Just announced this week, they have revenue grade metering integral and go down to 15A! It's a game changer there's a lot of other new features too
Jon Topham do you have a link? All I find is their molded case models...
@@adorsett www.eaton.com/us/en-us/catalog/electrical-circuit-protection/power-defense-molded-case-circuit-breakers.html
They are molded case but have much more built in versus bolt on capabilities. They don't have any reclose capability but they are all individually addressable thru TCP with revenue grade metering. Expect them on the west coast first but don't hold your breath.
So it's not actually switching the breaker it's just a smart switch the is integrated after a breaker?
Thanks
That must be on the new code book
Do they make a smart breaker that can monitor power consumption on the circuit that it's connected to? I'd like to keep track of the kilowatt hours on the circuit my home office is connected to so I can get an accurate account of the electricity I consume for business purposes.
Do you have any recommendations where I can source these types of breakers? I need a lot of them... Thousands...
I would recommend reching out to a menufacturer directly instead of a supply house.
How do I get into SMUD ?
Could you please explain the difference between 208,220 and 240 volts?
Just different voltages bruh. 220 and 240 are the same thing, where 208 is a voltage you get with a 3 phase system i.e. 120/208
About 32 volts
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Why would you not mention that the "remote/Manual" switch should be used to lock out remote control while you are working on that circuit? Other than that, great video!
Ä° like your ameteur videos from 3 years ago much more. They are more teaching and also entertaining.
+ And advice:
Dont get me wrong i am not complaining about seeing your face but you should put visual while explaining something to make it better understand. Either on board with drawing(like you did on your first videos which were really good maybe the best) or you can show the real thing you are explaining about. Thats my opinion as an amateur trying to learn things. Still good videos of course.
Q - Can the monitoring service be myself? In another word, is there a controller available for the consumer to control without an outside service subscription?
I'm guessing that there is an absolute need to install a firewall, to protect the panel?
Anyone with the change to put in these things with ethernet integration is going to already have a firewall.
Depending on how critical the application is, you could have an air gapped stand alone network.
@@Jeeperanthony That could potentially add security, but it's very difficult to get right. It definitely isn't safe to use a separated network as your only security, because that makes the whole network and everything on it an attack surface, and if any attack succeeds then everything is compromised. It can even be done accidentally - somebody plugs a patch cable in the wrong port, and next thing you know all your VFDs have ransomware installed on them.
And how much does a 200 volt panel cost?
how can I get this circuit breaker and at how much?
Are there available remotely to shut off and restart a breaker via an IoS or Android app ? Please advise
Yes, Leviton is one that comes up if you quickly google search - you can shut them off remotely via the app but must manually turn back on, according to their website.
@@ElectricianU much thx
Where or how do I find a smart circuit breaker in my panel?
Thanks for the education. Did not know these existed. Iâm planning on getting Tesla solar/storage system. Seems like ideal remote load management method. Can these Smart Switches be controlled with an iPhone App? Great presentations!
But! Before switching the breaker to auto, just check the area and make sure noone is actually working on that circuit for whatever reason
These suck. got called to a store today when half of their lights went out. It was these breakers. When I turned them to manual, everything came back on.
part number, where to buy link?
I for the life of me don't get why they didn't focus on backwards compatibility. With proper design, there would be no need for a special panel (just have plug at top of breaker). They could have had wireless/ethernet module in a small side box, then just run connector cables from each breaker to side box. Nope, rip it all out and replace it all.
Cut out most of the potential market due to that choice.
Another part to fail good for overtime :)
Personally i see this more like a novelty and looking for a solution for a problem that never was there in order to sell more, the only logical use of such brakers are on lightning control panels but those are already there long time ago with the use of relays or contactors with computer boards in then, the reason why i see this useless its because if there is a problem with a load and the braker trip then an electrician its called anyway to deal with it and fix the actual problem cause turn the braker back on remotely could just worsen the problem or be a hazard also why anyone would want to kill the power of loads that don't require to be killed like servers,computers,medical equipment,refrigerators other than actual loads that you want to control like lights but like i said there are tons of solutions already for that and this is just a fancy way to keep sales up.
chancho00 the residential market for these is intelligent load shedding when tied to a solar battery system. Look at the partnership between Sonnen and Pantech Design for a great example of how this can be put to great use as solar battery systems gain in popularity.
I totally agree. This is nothing that a split buss panel with integrated contactor canât handle. I just installed a time clock and relay to control one less than a month ago. Who needs to shut off and on individual circuits remotely? So dumb. Sounds like some engineers designed something just to justify their job.
Incredible how much do they cost
I saw neighbours power go off same time ..off for 5 minutes wondering if they are able to control my wifi in power supply.
Iâm an IT guy. You are obviously an electrical guy. Iâm wanting assurances about the security of what Iâd call the âcontrol plane.â The control plane is obviously the Ethernet controller. Iâm extremely curious how someone securely authenticates into that low voltage controller. If you say a PIN - prepare for me to scoff! :) Even if you say a 6-digit PIN - âhard pass.â If you say SSL certificate - then youâll get my attention.
Can a burglar turn smart breaker off remotely if it's on auto wifi system
cool... but how secure it it????? any thing that talks outside ( wifi, ethernet) can be hacked.. so how secure is this...???
I'm just a dude with a family. Not an electrician. Every day our kids leave on 20 to 40 lights when they leave for school. I have to go around turning them off. Why aren't there wifi circuit breakers where when I'm leaving the empty house I can just click a button and all unnecessary circuits turn off. When I return I turn them back on. Seems like a simple idea but probably isn't.
You could install smart lights and present sensors in each room. They are easy to program and connected to each other. When nobody in the room for x minutes, turn off the lights. When somebody enters the room and itâs dark, turn on the lights. If itâs still bright in the room, donât turn on the lights.
What smart breakers do you recommend?
I'm assuming that part of the reason that new homes are so expensive is because they now have some advanced technology in every aspect, including the electrical. Also, are you a master electrician?
What is your opinion about Wi-fi circuit breaker that Chinese sell?
Itâs to spy on you đ
This stuff you show is ancient. Leviton Load Center All Plug-On smart breakers connect wirelessly to a hub inside the panel board and WiFi/Ethernet connects to homeowners network to run My Leviton App to check each intelligent smart breaker or shut off remotely.
Jules Bartow wired connections are more reliable. I only use wireless devices if I canât pull a wire between two points.
Lmao I hope your not leaving any breaker in the rain.
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its called CARRIER CURRENT
I noticed my power supply in was still on
Where are the diagrams???
I wonder how much those cost
Way more than what it's worth.
I will give everyone a little advice out there on smart breakers and a monitoring service. I work for a company where "someone" signed a lifetime agreement with a monitoring service. Lets just say the service is lousy at best. The only way different locations get removed from this service is when the company "sells" the location to a franchisee. And this agreement has been in force for more than 19 years.
Pro tips are dont drop them and dont bump into them? xD
A huge additional usage is to be able to conveniently shut off bedroom circuits at night to disable the 4 problematic types of EMF propagated by house wiring: 1) 60Hz Magnetic radiation, 60 Hz Electrical radiation, Radio Frequency radiation, and Dirty Electricity. That strategy can lead to a huge health benefit for many.
$500+ for a double pole 30A? No thank you!
I have something like this for my home to turn all electricity off in my room and surround rooms for health reasons
nathan ellison Donât be stupid
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These are completely useless ! When the circuit braker activates or being activated your wifi is out as well . Now you are also out of luck since you cant turn it back on remotely without your home wifi signal .Rendering the device useless .... FAIL !