What is a Bootleg? Vinyl Questions Answered
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My first bootleg album was Kiss Fried Alive on marble vinyl.
Led Zep-Going to California was a great ole boot as well as, Blueberry Hill, Mudslide and Gone to California . Used to have all of them. I remember back in the day walking down the boardwalk and seeing a rack outside a music shop for $4.99 a piece.(singles)
Bootlegs also consist of alternate takes, home recording, and studio takes
Yes alternative mixes demos live unique TV recordings early mixes & as you say home demos all fascinating for the true collector who has everything official .
Late 60’s and early 70’s bootlegs were fun to find and collect. I have more than a few in my collection. I can recall trolling through Peaches and Rocky Mountain Records and Tapes bins grabbing everyone I could find. Did the same thing for Imports. Made collecting really fun.
I’ve only recently started getting into vinyls and your channel has been so helpful and insightful. I saw in a local record store a bootleg of Frank Ocean’s Channel Orange (I’m pretty sure that never released in vinyl) and a copy of Blonde, which I believe was very a limited release. I didn’t buy them because I knew they were bootlegs and wasn’t sure about sound quality but I love Frank Ocean so now I’m having second thoughts!
Very cool and informative. I love Eddie Van Halen and that booleg named because of him cracks me up.
Melinda Murphy haha yeah! It’s a great one though.
You know your stuff laddie, great video once more!
There is a cool video around here of when Neil Young found some of his boots in a record shop and confronted the store owner. Seek it out. You inspired me to show some of my boots from back before digital times.
Norman Maslov haha yes I’ve seen that one! Very funny video 🤣
Really cool video. I love seeing other people's records and hearing their stories about them. I have maybe 15 bootleg records. Some Pink Floyd, a few Nirvana bootlegs, a few Rolling Stones and a few Led Zeppelin boots, even a Queen bootleg. Maybe I should feel guilty about them, but I enjoy them too much. Really looking forward to seeing your Led Zeppelin collection!
Kurt Reichenbaugh I don’t feel guilty about them because the more bootlegs I get the more I am interested in the band. I have purchased everything on vinyl that zeppelin and Floyd ever released, so I’m in full support of the bands. Thanks for watching!!!
Thanks,love your videos.
Glue eater 500 thanks for watching!
I've always wanted to hear a Grateful Dead or Pink Floyd bootleg! This was quite an interesting video! Learned a lot!
MikeGuitarPlayer07 czcams.com/video/_-BNvHmP66c/video.html
Enjoyed it A LOT
Love boots! I picked up lots of REM bootlegs back in the 80s, LP and cassette, really got me more into the band. Thanx for your take on it😎
Darren Krivit thanks for watching! I’ve had a few REM boots over the years!
I picked up a couple of their boots went abroad for a few years came back in 84 and there was a booklet out detailing appro 500 radio shows and boots so I stopped collecting their stuff.
Nice to hear a younger persons perspective about boots. I (being ancient) bought my first one early 1973, Led Zep's Mudslide, cost me £2.25p (4 maybe 5 $). I also bought going to Cal... TMQ double colour vinyl same as yours, different colour sleeve though, pastel cream, that one was £4.25p (8 maybe 10 $), Blueberry Hill was that price too. The Doors album you showed is a counterfeit, not a bootleg.
Superb video enjoyed it
my intro to boots was similar to yours. my friends older brother when i was 14 had a copy of the who " closer to queen mary" tmoq label. powder blue jacket w/ blue stamp. on clear blue wax. thought i was going to pass out! later i sent for a catalog from the back of rolling stone from a place called " still rare records" if im not mistaken they were from Carolina not sure n or s. anyway 1lp 3.50 2 lp 7.50 etc. and my sickness began.
Everyone Read Bootleg: a history by Heylin
Just bought an unofficial pressing of Cake's Fashion Nugget on yellow vinyl from Rollinrecs. Didn't think I'd ever be able to get a copy of this record on vinyl!
I find it interesting how a lot of bands would issue official albums that were made to look like bootlegs (The Beatles with the white album, The Who with Live At Leeds, Led Zeppelin with In Through The Out Door)
My top bootleg is The Rolling Stones Live’r Then You’ll Ever Be Oakland show November 9th 1969, brought it in 1970, I think it’s still the Stones best live album 😊
I remember the bootlegs that came along in the Nineties -- there was a tremendous number of Nirvana boots. In fact, what killed the Nirvana bootleg market was the box let that came out around 2002 -- it had decent sounding versions of all those songs. I remember one of the bootleg labels was called Kiss The Stone. There was a great Smashing Pumpkins unplugged boot (from a Paris show, I think) which came out on that label.
That’s interesting! Thanks for watching! 🙏
I had bootlegs of all of System Of A Down's albums, and Alice In Chains Facelift since they never re released then after the original releases.
SOAD finally reissued their albums, now for Alice to do it
Assisted Listening Devices and Radio/TV/Web Broadcasts are also sources. Also, may want to distinguish between a bootleg, counterfeit and pirate recordings. Many people use them interchangeably, they are not the same.
Bootlegs were fun to buy but the sound always kinda sucked. That being said I use to buy and trade Dead tapes. Lol. Enjoyed it man
happyhippy the vinyl guy ,some of the biggest bootlegs come from the U.K famous for bootlegging American Music,from Rock ,Soul ... I’ve picked up good pressed bootleg records sound very good better then the original press
I love my Stones bootlegs. Bought a lot of them in the 1970s, often shortly after the Stones would finish a tour.
Gary Kuhlmann there are some great stones bootlegs!
The 1st pressing cover-of great white wonder was blink. The 2-lP has a serial number
Do you have any sort of Beatles collection? Would love to see your collection and especially bootlegs.
Love the Zumbo lp!
Dillon, you need to read "Bootleg: The secret history of the other recording industry" by Clinton Heylin. Gives the lowdown about the bootleg industry. Specifics about Rubber Dubber, TMQ, TMOQ, TAKRL and many others. A couple of points, first bootlegs were not illegal was a very grey area at the time most of these 60s and 70s recordings were made. ASCAP and BMI had to have legislation enacted to try and stop the bootleg industry. Second the TMOQ colored final is second or third generation as most of the initial albums were black vinyl. A guy nicknamed "Dub" who was one of the originators has/had a site that got into the history of TMOQ, very interesting read. The book also details the artwork of Robert Stout who was very prominent in those early pressings. Most art was on a 8 x 11.5 xerox copy inserted into the shrink. Anything larger than that is again a later pressing. Third, the Doors you showed is a pirated cover, was the record an exact copy of the original? I've collected boots for a long time and probably have a couple of hundred of various artists. BTW I like your vibe! Cheers
Michael Danieli good info! I’d love to read that book!
Great video Dillon! I have a question about bootleg pressings, how did many of these LPs get pressed? From what I understand, the process of pressing an LP is difficult and requires a lot of equipment. Did these guys invest in their own machinery to press these bootlegs?
That’s kind of what I was wondering haha
I'm learning english with Dillon. Thanks Dude 👍
i think the bootlegs i got are Macadelic(?) faces and i love life thank you mac vinyls but can you tell if they don't have a barcode?
Great video thanks for the info, im just getting into vinyl properly now and just bought (i think) my first bootleg from ebay sold listing 153765786517 quality looks amazing, from the casino records entertainment press? managed to get a load of liam gallagher stuff from LA to the UK. crazy
4:24 - 'Some of the top bands that were bootlegged...' You forgot to mention the Beatles - if I'm not mistaken, they're the most bootlegged band in history.
I'm a fellow vinyl bootleg lover. Now I'm gonna research Mike the Mic. Never heard of him. I really want to get some Beatles Soviet Union X-ray bootlegs. Do you have any to show us? Apologies, if you've already covered this.
Great video and excellent information. I know in the 80's there were what looked like legitimate repress's of VJ Beatle Lp's sold right in big name record stores. A friend who owned a record store once showed me a copy of a recently released Billy Joel LP, except for a few tell tale signs it looked legit right down to the Columbia label , but in reality it was a well crafted Russian boot. Speaking of Russian bootlegs, have you ever seen the records that they cut on old xrays?? Talk about a flexi picture disc.
Take care
Onteo yeah i would love to find an X-Ray bootleg!
GREAT , VIDEO I ALSO LOVE BOOTLEGS , SOMEONE SAID YOU CAN GET A LOT BOOTLEGS IN JAPAN, I DON,T KNOW IF THAT S TRUE. ENJOYED IT MUCH PAUL
PabloRock that’s interesting! I would love to go to Japan to look for vinyl!
You can definitely get a lot of bootleg cds from Japan still have not seen much vinyl though
Finally heard somebody else bring up Mike Millard.
All the records I heard from Mike are heard sucks amateur at best like hundreds do not stand out as better or different sorry 😔
thanks you best regards
This might be a common question now but do you collect Beatles bootlegs and have a video on them, if so ?
Got a question for you..I have checked and I cant find it online but I have a bootleg of CSN in the studio and there are a couple of songs on there that I have never heard them play..either live or on lp/cd cassette etc.Ever heard of it. I almost forgot..If you are seriously seeking recordings of you favorite artist..check out guitars 101.all i am gonna say.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that there are collectors out there who don't know what a bootleg is, but I kinda was. I remember there were bootleg labels that could be relied on to have better quality material. Trademark of Quality was one of them. The ToC release of David Bowie Santa Monica was superb. The official CD release was taken from an off air recording that had been recorded with automatic recording level, so when the band kicked in, the volume suddenly dropped. I only played once.
Bootlegs are illegal, period. I doubt anyone would get into trouble for owning one, but selling them is different. Try to sell a bootleg on Discogs, or Ebay. If it's a known boot, it;ll be blocked. If it's a less familiar one, you may get away with it until the copyright owners find out.
Well you may have started a bookleg thread. I added my two cents this morning after viewing yours.
Norman Maslov loved your video mazzzzz
great cast man. Remember to differentiate between bootleg, pirate and counterfeit. As an example, Bob Dylan GWW, is a bootleg, The Doors is a pirate and Zay Z is a counterfeit.
Amazin!
Sons of Otis thank you for watching!
Iv some amazing ABBA Bootlegs also .
Cool video...thanks for all that information. What's up with VeeJay Introducing the Beatles? Why are so many of those called bootlegs? Didn't VeeJay have the rights? I have one that is a bootleg but I've never known why they're called bootlegs. I used to have tons of Grateful Dead tapes. Never paid for one...just the cost of the blank tape...gave 'em all away now. Enjoyed it - thanks!
Randall Weaver VJ did have the rights but only for a short time. The only album they had the authority to produce was “introducing the Beatles” but a lot of bootlegs got out that we’re allegedly by VJ but probably just by some bootleggers using the name.
What I understand that a bootleg is - Studio outtake, radio & television performance and a live concert recording that is not authorized for release.
A counterfeit is a copy of a record, my first copy of the Beatles "Let It Be" album was a counterfeit. It even included "Phil + Ronnie" in the dead wax.
A Pirate is a record of legitimately released items in a different order. You are right about William Shakespear as he never authorized any of his work to be published. So everyone that bought any book that is written by Shakespear has partaken in bootlegging.
Holy shit I didn't know one of the best record stores in CLT had a youtube channel
... selling bootlegs is illegal ... or at least they used to be .... about 15 years ago, while setting up at our local record show in Des Moines, Iowa, about 15 minutes before the doors opened, all of us dealers got a heads-up by the promoter to put any and all bootleg albums and CD's under our tables ... he had seen what he suspected were law enforcement agents waiting at the front of the line ... there was one dealer, from out-of-state next to me that had nothing but bootleg CD's for sale, his table would have been empty because that's all he had with him, so he took a chance and left them all out ... sure enough, when the doors opened, about 5 local, state and federal agents busted the poor guy ... they inventoried and confiscated all his stuff, packed it into boxes, loaded it all into a van and after about an hour of checking out everybody else's tables, etc, they took the guy away in handcuffs ... I haven't heard of anything like that happening locally since then.
MondosBongos that’s nuts. I know they cracked down on it more in the 70s and 80s. Who knows. 🤣
At a garage sale I purchased an original copy of "Pb" by LZ. Bwahahahaaha...
Awesome! I wish lol...
The only bootleg i own is Limp Bizkit chocolate starfish on white marble lp it said import but im not upset it sounds absolutely killer even tho the pa stamp on the front is huge lol but u know
I love my Kate bush Bootlegs one i own is called a bird in the hand IS WORTH TWO IN THE (BUSH) SOME bootlegs albums are superb ..
I have the Enjoy Jimi Hendrix Bootleg vinyl. Wish it was in better condition , however lol.
Springsteen was a much-bootlegged artist because of his legendary live shows. Of course over the last few years he has gone back and officially released many of these performances, but in his early days (especially before he had released any official live albums) there was a lot of surreptitious recording going on. I haven't even looked at my bootlegs in a long time but I have one of him at Winterland in 1978 (or at least that's what I think it is lol), and as I recall the sound isn't too bad. I believe I also have a Van Morrison boot of some kind and maybe a Dylan too. Now that I'm back into vinyl I may have to pull these out and see what they are. :)
I had a few of his as well. Watching this video I can't believe Bruce wasn't mentioned as one of the most heavily bootlegged artists in history.
Do you make mixtapes out of your bootlegs?
I know a guy in Toronto, Canada who has over 1500 Grateful Dead bootleg tapes.
Bootlegs are interesting.
Some of the most collectable ones had artwork done a guy called Robert Crumb. Tales from The Who is one of my favorites
I think you might be a tad mixed up. The artist was actually called William Stout. Robert Crumb did do some artwork that was related to musical culture and the hippie movement.
that would probably be stout, love his work, crumb did do the cheap thrills lp tho
During the late 80s and early 80s bootlegs were huge grails and you would be shaking trees looking for them. They were hard to find them and still hard to find now. Now Russia prints and sells them to the mass market. Lol. At least Discogs considers them a bootleg. Funny how you had companies put out bootlegs in volume, how did they not get shut down? I just picked up a Pink Floyd bootleg that must have been recorded from the sound board. I was looking at another one but it was an audience recording and it did sound awful. Fun stuff, I love finding bootlegs just hard to find. Steve
Vinyl Community- Steve Carlson yeah, I’ve been at it for years. I have a ton of zeppelin and Pink Floyd boots, but it took a while.
mike millard is a true hero in the music community check out joe maloney masters he made some really good recordings of david bowies 1974 tour
What record plants & presses issued the boots?
Is the kiss vinnie vincent brazil promo a bootleg?
I was fairly clear on the whole concept since I collect action figures and there are several bootlegs in that world too. I think you did a good job on this video. My question is, do you actually enjoy listening to these or just collecting them?
Jerry Read I do like listening to them but some sound terrible and are more for historical significance than anything 🤣
I have a bootleg of the outlaws. Have never been able to find anything about it
Have you got any Genesis with phil collins era bootlegs or phil collins solo bootlegs?
Great white wonder with stamp
nice vid. good info. i just made a video about Prince bootlegs.
You have forgotten the whitelabel bootlegs that in the electronic scene are also big.
Can you tell me, why if it’s illegal, Phish has a bootleg series and the band selling them. Is there something call license bootlegs
justin patterson well some artists get their bootleg tapes and issue them officially which makes them official releases and not bootlegs. It can be a marketing scheme. That’s probably what they did. Dylan and Zappa did that too.
My first bootleg was Paul McCartney in Scotland, 1975... I paid for it too, if you know what I mean. I get it home and the sound was horrible. Now, I'll wait for him to pass and sell for a profit.. (ouch, that sounded bad....sorry Sir Paul).
Chris S. Yes some sound quite bad. I used to have one where Jimmy Page passed out from a heroin OD half way through the set 🤣
@@noblerecords Wait.. are you saying that Page was on mind altering substances???? lol
What puzzles me is they mass produce these in Europe, South America Etc. Ok, I can see them getting away with that, but then there are US Distributors that are selling them en masse. In fact I just bought (3) GNR Boots this past week. How do the US Distributors freely sell them with no issue with the law?
My guess is that the 2010s vinyl boots would better than the older ones of the same recording. The cd versions of many came from better sources as they went through the years, and I'm sure the Vinyl now comes from those improved sources. The Beatles Star Club '62 is waaay better sounding than the first vinyl versions. On the other side, Your Rubber Dubber Zeppelin LA 70 (the only pressing) is the only source for that recording (though there's at least 6 of that show), as is Going To California and For Badgeholders Only.
Hi. In Scotland it is illegal to reseĺl bootlegs . It is called resetting. Selling stolen or illegal goods for profit.
There are dozens of Led Zeppelin bootlegs considering their manager, Peter Grant, hated them. But most bands record all of their shows to listen to next day for quality the audience hears, and they ‘get lost’!
i have been collecting Pink Floyd bootlegs for many years. I see the bootleggers ( like Miller) people who have captured a concert forever, a piece of history. Studio outtakes are also good for the more enthusiastic fan. But studio copies are not bootlegs they are counterfeits, like fake Channel perfume. My bootleg albums and CD's give me hours of pleasure because pink Floyd in the 70's played their live material very different from the studio release.
Pretty much got the law down right
It's illegal to manufacture and sell the bootlegs but the bootleg itself isn't actually contraband that's illegal to own. Same with those game consoles you get off Ebay or Alibaba that are obviously filled with stolen roms
It's not illegal to buy and own them but the manufacturer and distributor can get into deep shit if someone ever tracks them down and catches them
There is a difference between a Counterfeit and a bootleg
Well yeah but people call the counterfeits bootlegs too
would the doors be a pirate or a boot?
Neither, it looked like a counterfeit to me, probably from Asia not likely from some guy in the US who had a lathe or cutting machine in his basement.
Greatest dylan bootleg Bob dylan 12 of swords 12 album set
Hi again, noble , don't know your actual name but my first comment ( actually a question ) must not have appeared; let me know and I'll repost it for you but I basically asked you if you collect Beatles bootlegs and which ones do you have?
philip franklin hey! I have had a lot
Of Beatles bootlegs in the past but don’t have many now. My buddy Mazzy has a ton and recently made a video. He’s a Beatles genius. Here’s a link:
czcams.com/video/pBOvfVdLLjE/video.html
Bootlegs sound better while drinking moonshine for some reason.
Funny thing is, Bootlegs wound up winning the war anyway though it took decades for the artists, managers & industry to come around to the fan's way of thinking. It was stupid to waste so much money for them to get all those busts of people from the 70's on, because look at the internet today. They're all over. And if any of the artists are still upset about "bad night concerts out there", well, welcome to finding out you're a human being, because the fans are largely joyfully celebrating all the legit issues since that time! Come off the high horse & understand your FANS for once.
One thing I have never understood. If you are caught with any stolen property it is a crime. Obviously the recording itself is stolen property.
What is a very daft beard? See Dylan 😆
It might be just me but there's some strange videos in this playlist...Shrek & Cricket movie clips??
HAHAHA my son added those. I’ll fix it, thanks 🤣
@@noblerecords Thank you Dylan...I thought I was going mad..or that Shrek & Cricket were part of the VC ha ha 😎
@@noblerecords can a album with outtakes that was never officially released be a bootleg I know some studio albums and cds by all artists can be bootlegs they can make up there own record label to print that record or cd and sell it and make profit a legally
I collect the Byrds and I'm pissed off I paid good money for radio shows and now most of the live ones are being released and I have ended up buying stuff I already have. I have all their lp boots too. They have the worst boot to their credit the original live in Lincoln not only is it appalling quality but some of it is live in Amsterdam. I draw the line however at companies releasing official releases in different color vinyl it is a rip off to far. There are Italian releases that were official there but classed as bootlegs here. Stuff from the east pays no royalties therefore are a strange case. My gripe is I buy a second hand record the artist receives no royalties yet secondhand boots are banned on e bay discogs etc because of the royalties so called argument. You forgot to mention things like the Michael Jackson picture discs which are both boots and counterfeits which is some achievement. A russian made up some picture sleeves for Beatle singles which were revealed as a con yet today are extremely collectable. Theres an interesting book about the subject but I forget title and author it had a white cover. You should tell your viewers to beware many boots are shite. Interesting topic lets see your zep/yardbirds radio shows please.
I make bootlegs of bob Dylan concerts
The black TMOQ label are just later European counterfeit . So, bootleg of a bootleg of a bootleg
Jazz and classical concerts were heavily bootlegged
Dillon, here's the "Dub" link, enjoy reading: douglasongww.blogspot.com/2010/03/it-coulda-happened-this-way-dub-dubbed.html
But please people never buy bootleg albums from smaller bands that hurts them more then the big hitters.
AOIO
I just bought a Sodom/Hellhammer split bootleg and there’s a song missing from one of the albums despite the fact it is listed on the LP itself. Another thing to be aware of buying bootleg records
This might be a common question now but do you collect Beatles bootlegs and have a video on them, if so ?
I may still have a few...
I’m a year late but... just look through the bins at your local record store. Found a Soviet Beatles “Help” bootleg for like $15. Take your time and look. It’s crazy what people just pass over.
@@natalierichardson6707 I think I know what your talking about the help Russian release is a bootleg I have some Rolling Stones cds that are Russian pressings when they came out on Vinyl they were British records printed in the U.K but on cd there Russian imports that are bootlegs I just found out the Russian stones pressings were bootlegs