Bootleg records, counterfeit records, reissues and how they compare to the originals.
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2020
- A look through some of my original sun records and the differences between them and some bootlegs, counterfeits and reissues.
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You got a fan in me. I’ve been collecting since 2008 and you’re the most authentic and trust worthy channel I’ve found yet. Keep it up. All love
You should write a book on Sun Records, You have more knowledge than what I saw on the internet!!! Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see your sun collection.
Maybe one day!
I sure do like your videos. Thank you for making them.
Glad you like them!
Just found your channel and saw this video. Very interesting! I love learning about bootlegs, and I've been on a big Sun kick lately. Just read a great Sam Phillips bio, and it's nice to see some of those records (even fake ones) that I just read about. Great channel!
Thank you much sir!
Hey, thanks for your quick answer to my request Mack!!! You're the best! very interesting!!😁👍
Any time!
Being wary of fakes, this is the reason why I continue to collect UK pressings. No fakes here. Great video though Mack, very educational and very interesting.
😂😂😂😂I bought two 78s in the 1970s United kingdom where I live. Bootlegs around 1976 in England Jack earls slow down. And Carl perkins blue suede shoes. Both 100% English bootlegs 😂😂😂😂😂
My question? Are records de valued with the centre missing for a record deck or jukebox
@@michaelpearson1272 yeah these bigger holes were for jukeboxes back in the day. Small and big holes were both available at a time until an agreement for the small hole was reached
Nice video, Mack. I’ve heard about someone pressing Sun bootlegs & even forging the fake push marks themselves. Never come across one of those in person tho, at least not that I noticed. ☀️
thank you for your video.... . I never know of bootleg records...... this is a education for me....... thank you....
Good info, great channel. subscribed!
Hi Mack, thanks for the informative video! Just a quick question if you don't mind. Have you ever heard of original Sun Elvis 45s that have a center hole that is slightly larger than normal? My copy of Baby Let's Play House has push marks, old-style vinyl, grooves that are larger than the standard 1mil groove... I'm quite certain it's original, but either the hole was made larger in the factory, or someone "got rid of" some center hole damage by very neatly enlarging the hole. Any idea? Thanks again.
Inspector Mack on the case. This was educational and fun. But mostly educational.
It will be good to see you back on the road again, Mack. Although I've prudently kept a few of your old road trips in the jar for a rainy day, them crows ain't going to scare themselves.
Yes, not yet traveling again, might be a 2nd wave of illness on the way...
@@IBuyOldRecords - New and improved with extra vitamins! (Please pardon my levity; I find despair futile in the face of imminent death.)
@Quentin Gaylord - Good lord, no. Top marks for 'industrial techno', though, Quenters. That gave me a chuckle. I am Herbert of my own dominion, not of that abomination. I'm sure even that other Herbert would admit, now he's had time to see sense ...
Great info……Have you done a lesson on the 78s? I look for old records on eBay, and there are some reproduction 78s that are pretty good
Nice one Mac ,you can almost always tell a boot by the feel and look great info 👍🏼
Yes! Practiced hands can feel the difference.
I have watched a few of your videos and found them so entertaining. I thought I had subscribed, I have now! I love the way you concentrate on old 45s. I tend to show a lot of 45s on my channel too, especially ranking an artists 45 discography. All the best, Richard
Thank you so much!!
Hey Mack, thanks for the interesting video (as always). I really want the get a little more into the history behind sun records (and other labels for that matter) and I was wondering if there is any book (or books) you can recommend.
There's some by Colin Escott and Martin Hawkins that are great, can't remember the names
"Good Rockin' Tonight"
I Buy Old Records The book is titled ’Catalyst’ Aquarius books issued 1975,later updated.
They even issued ’type writer’ printed booklets 1973 called ’Sun session files’.
I love the Sun LP Color Me Country by Linda Martell ( original was on Plantation in 1970 I think ) Linda was first black female country singer on Grand Ole Opry. I also have the original Plantation lp. Donald in Milwaukee.
Thanks for this video . I'm a collector of 45's here in Australia and like yourself specialize in the genre of 50's honkytonk , rockabilly , 50's rock ballads , and hillbilly . I've always had trouble distinguishing original pressings ( originally issued ) from reissues ( reproductions ) . I'm OK about buying reissues if I'm unable to procure the original . I'm a little concerned , however , that some in my collection that were touted as originals when advertised , possibly could be in fact cleverly crafted reissues . One of my most cherished pieces is one that was offered for sale as a mint original copy of Eddie Cochran's "Teenage Heaven " b/w " I Remember" . It is indeed in mint condition but I'm a little unsure now if it is in fact an original , given it's pristine quality yet has a 64 year history . Still think though that it is the real deal ......
Hi - Great video and information. Do all the Sun 45s (right through the fifties) have push marks? Didn't Sam Phillips use various pressing plants (even some in LA)?
No, the pushmarks ended at 236 Jimmy Haggett, early 1956.
I Buy Old Records, I have a copy of JC's 232 Folsom Prison Blues. There are no push marks. But I understand West Coast Pressings didn't have them. Can't imagine anyone bootlegging this record as it's not rare. Any thoughts?
Back when I got seriously into recording collecting thanks to a Pennsylvania Disc Jockey friend of mine in the mid 1970's, I subscribed to the tabloid newspaper editions of Goldmine where Mr. Richard Minor had huge ads month after month selling these Rockabilly records for I think it was 3 bucks apiece. I bought a whole bunch of them and if I'm not mistaken he had some Doo Wop 45's as well. Anyway when I found out that he got into trouble for these records I got a little nervous about somebody showing up at my door telling me they wanted them back because they were illegal. I never found out what happened to Mr. Minor but I had those sixty or so records until I got out of the hobby about fifteen years ago. Great videos. Really enjoy them. Nice to see people perpetuate the hobby. Take care.
Petticoat junction comes to life.
thank you
Not really collecting 45 records other than just for fun and playing them, but I do have a few old well worn ‘ Sun ‘ records - and then I have this Carl Perkins Sun record ( I think it’s Dixie Fried ) that I got somewhere and it looks like it was made last week. I figured it must be some re- issue
Subscribed - great videos! Just started collecting 45s and I have Sun label 281, or at least I think I do 🙂 There are no push marks, but it has the spiral runoff and a pronounced comma after Memphis. What numbers should I expect to see in the deadwax? Thank you so much for your help.
Yes, by #237 they'd stopped with pushmarks, your 281 is doubtless real
I Buy Old Records, thank you so much for your reply. I never realised how much fun it could be to collect records. I hope to buy a '50s jukebox some day and stock it with old 45s - not any rare ones obviously! Keep the videos coming 👍🏼🙂
A jukebox might be a good use for the repops!
and also a 45 from specialty looks pretty original to me
if you ever come across a Sun records with really small letters either in the deadwax or on the label , if you look closely they read MSI.CO but reversed, these records were pressed in Philadelphia, they also pressed for Imperial, Specialty and I think possibly Aladdin
Hi, my copy of 'flyin' saucers rock and roll' by Billy Riley has this in the deadwax. Now I know what they are, thanks to you. :)
GLAD IT WAS OF HELP TO YOU, SOMEONE HERE MENTIONED THE PARAMOUNT PRESSING PLANT, DON'T SUPPOSE YOU KNOW WHERE THAT WAS??@@MGB
@@peterpaszczak4013 Sorry no, I'm learning all the time with these sun records
This a good video
I have the Whole Lotta Shakin 'going 45 RPM by Jerry Lee on SUN 267, matrixnr in the deadwax is 45-4-246.(It'll be me) BMI U- 246 Knox Music, Inc. /Marlyn Music BMI U-247 Everything seems to be pointing out it is the real deal, but because of your video I'm not entirely sure! Do you have some pointers for me how to indentify a real Sun from Jerry Lee from1957? Thanx in advance. No matrixnr in the deadwax on the A side.
Hello mate ive found some of my Dads old Sun records would love you to have a look and let me know your thoughts 1 of them is signed ......;) how can i send the images to you ? thnx Great Video
Any info about Phillies bootlegs?
Hi there, I have the 2 Junior Parker SUN 45s . I know that they are original pressings as the push marks are VERY clear. Is it right to say that the early SUN 45RPM records are best played with a diamond stylus meant for 78rpm records. I have done this and found that the sound quality is FANTASTIC compared to playing them with a STEREO stylus. I also have the reproes of the 2 records which I take out when I DJ at a RnB and Rockabilly club. Can you confirm that early SUN 45RPM single were cut using the same cutting tool as the 78rpm version.
Thank you from Phil " Dr Jive " Sharples. ENGLAND.
Great upload on a very dodgy subject..your knowledge and information on what to look for is exceptional...thanks yet again..Top stuff 👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Mack! Been fooled a few times, but after some time you learn from your mistakes. Usually when I finally have found an original it’s easy to identify the fake.
that's the best way
A few years ago I thought I struck gold when I found a mint copy of “Just walking in the rain “ by the Prisonairies and I only paid wait for it....$5 (Australian dollars) then I played it and the sound quality was poor, so now I know it was a fake, once again thanks for the info Mack
Keep in mind that many of the original son early 45s have fairly terrible sound when played with a 45 needle. A 78 stylus sounds better
I prefer to use a slightly more used 45 stylus and increase the tracking weight, you have to remember that most modern styli are eliptical rather than conical as they were in the 50's, and back then tracking weight could be as much as 5grams.@@macksebayvideos9532
Still like the bootlegs as long as they sound good. I noticed on some originals, like the Elvis ones, the song doesn't take up the full width of the record and has a lot of run out groove.
Keep up the good work
Very interesting from the UK
I can see why that guy who pressed them would get in trouble for bootleggs. They are still quite impresive. Nice video.
I have a copy of "Blue Suede Shoes" that has an extremely glossy label and the sun rays don't touch the center hole. I'm assuming it's fake.
Likely is a vintage repress, but done in '56/7, some operators made their own to sell to juke dealers
@@IBuyOldRecords thanks.
72 denotes SUNS account Number at the Paramount Pressing Plant
Yes it does! Bought a few where the seller thought it meant "1972"
WHERE WAS THE PARAMOUNT PRESSING PLANT?? CAN ANYONE HELP??
Are they bootlegs or reissues?
I have a few that really am almost sure are the real thing from MGM Hank Williams 45 MGM hey good looking and a few good ones from RCA with Elvis singing 3 songs on each side hw do I know if it’s the real deal ? and are you interested ?
which elvis extended play? Looking for spd-23, 3 records
I have a few 45 of Elvis and an Christmas LP album from 1970
No mention of Jack White's 3rd man reissues?
Well, those are not bootlegs as they were properly licensed, AFAIK.
The Sun came out in this video! Wish it was where I live, sick of this overcast!
Are all Suns vinyl? Is styrene a dead ringer for a fake or reissue?
No, some Suns, especially in the #234- 300 region, are styrene. Always prefer vinyl.
@@IBuyOldRecords the styrene pressings don’t sound anywhere near as good as the vinyl pressings.
If you buy em, buy em cheap!😀😀🤣
Hard to believe this is ‘a tha’ng!’ I wonder if that’s what I passed on. They were scratched to hell. Are they just objects at this point? That’s some deep cuts.
I have a 45rpm of "Come on little mama" and the deadwax, there's only the title of the song. Those it means that it is not an original?
Mack here, Yes that will likely be a bootleg.
@@macksebayvideos9532 Ok thanks
Can you help me with mine?
Yes I can
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what is your page name?
There's a few with the same name on Facebook!
just Mack Stevens, I am holding a record up in my pic
Alot of people are also fooled by the compilation albums Shelby Singleton put out in the 70's Of Jerry Lee Lewis,Johnny Cash,Carl Perkins an others
Nice records you have if you Find bob luman red caddilac and a black mustage or Some of Charlie feathers or miller sisters somday you pay on Flip i would love to buy them from you
Greats
I do find those now and then, sadly the last Luman I found was cracked.
I Buy Old Records thanks for your answer if you find one please let me know i liked the last video you posted today of your sun 78 its very rare
Greats from the netherlands
All these guys doing videos about vintage collectable records putting their fingers all over the playing surfaces! LOL!
Like my son told you, thanks for the answer! Really interesting! Now we know... that our Sun records collection is fake!🤣😒
But ya have the music!
Bootlegs are good.
Counterfeits are bad.