East Coast Jet Flight 81

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  • East Coast Jets Flight 81 was a business jet flight operated by East Coast Jets, that crashed on July 31, 2008 while attempting a go-around at Owatonna Degner Regional Airport near Owatonna, Minnesota, killing all eight passengers and crew on board. The flight originated in Atlantic City International Airport, and was scheduled to land in Owatonna. The crew made a go-around attempt after the aircraft touched down, but it overran the runway, hit Approach Lighting System fixtures, stalled and crashed, with the main wreckage coming to rest 2,400 ft (730 m) from the runway end.

Komentáře • 259

  • @slavabtomat
    @slavabtomat Před 2 lety +244

    According to the NTSB report, had the pilots just stayed their course, continued braking, they would have overshot the runway by 100-300 feet, well within the 1000ft "overshot" area at the end of the threshold. Instead, the FO panicked and tried a go-around with too little airspeed or runway to allow for it. The rest is tragic history.

  • @apointtomake1517
    @apointtomake1517 Před rokem +72

    The captain blurting out "fuck" was him realizing it would be going off the runway, and him probably getting fired or losing his license. That is why even nearly at the end of the runway he wanted to do a go-around. He chose an un winnable scenario where the plane executes the go-around and he keeps his job, over the choice of safely overshooting the runway, and dealing with the repercussions of his actions.

  • @mnpd3
    @mnpd3 Před rokem +66

    After realizing the lift wasn't dumped, the Captain waited at least 7-seconds before doing anything. Had he moved the lift-dump lever to the bottom as soon as he realized the flaps were at only 45, the plane would have stopped on the runway. Even if he'd let those 7-seconds pass before he dumped the lift, the plane would have exited the end of the runway but still have stopped inside the safety zone at the end of every runway. The guy had to see the end of the runway when he called for flaps and know he didn't have nearly enough runway for a go-around. Besides, that's something you do while still in the air --- the plane had long since been committed to a landing. Just can't get my mind around this crash. Somebody choked!

    • @Bartonovich52
      @Bartonovich52 Před 7 měsíci +3

      This whole sequence smacks of get-there-itis and failure was not an option. Not to ask for a hold to catch up to the plane. Not to do a go around. And not to accept a bad situation contained solely to the damage or destruction of the aircraft.
      You could tell that the pilot had “willed” everything to happen as he wanted and was sure that somehow a mis-configured aircraft at low speeds near the end of the runway was going to fly by his sheer determination.

  • @riggs20
    @riggs20 Před 4 lety +222

    This might be one of the most horrifying videos I've ever watched. To hear the fear in everyone's voices...

    • @KrakeTube
      @KrakeTube Před 4 lety +10

      imagine, normal day and within seconds you're staring unavoidable death in the face

    • @riggs20
      @riggs20 Před 4 lety +33

      @@KrakeTube Exactly! I mean, as a passenger, you feel relatively safe now that you've landed. Then you hear a little commotion from the cockpit, but you've got no idea you'll be dead in a few seconds. I think that's why it's so terrifying.

    • @KrakeTube
      @KrakeTube Před 4 lety +9

      @@riggs20 Yep. Luckily it was probably a pretty quick death. Better than many get (cancer and etc.). Except the one who survived for a few hours after. If you've ever seen bodies of plane crash victims it isn't pretty.

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 4 lety +26

      I just can't get the first officer's grunting sounds out of my head. It's completely primal sounds made out of the inability to do absolutely anything about the situation, and seen his death rapidly approaching. Or at least a massive amount of pain. This is just such a personal look into such a horrifying moment, I mean there was a microphone right next to his mouth as he died essentially. Not to mention the pilot swearing and the passengers panicked voices as well. The pilot knew he messed up bad obviously, so he must have been going through a whole other set of thoughts about the situation. Not only did he know he was going to die probably, but so was everyone else, and it was on him.

    • @SergiMyself
      @SergiMyself Před 3 lety +8

      Play the video x0.25 and you'll see what's scary. I did just to read the transcript.

  • @IAmNotARobotPinkySwear
    @IAmNotARobotPinkySwear Před 2 měsíci +6

    The pilot saying "she's not motherfucking flying" was almost like him trying to convince himself that this is out of his control or that he's confused as to why the plane wont do what he wants it to. Its the desperation in his voice to try to blame something other than himself for this situation. How the hell you attempt a go around w/ such little runway left, having just put the spoilers up. I can't believe some people would rather die than get fired. Unbelievable.

  • @OutgrownThings
    @OutgrownThings Před 10 měsíci +33

    It’s that last grunt you hear from the FO just before impact that just breaks me. I can’t imagine the horror.

    • @jonnyhammerwielder3951
      @jonnyhammerwielder3951 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Gahh! I just discovered this video, it’s even harder to listen to than Western 2605.

    • @letzrock1675
      @letzrock1675 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@jonnyhammerwielder3951 Nah not even close, Western 2605 is one of the only CVRs where you can hear the pilots full-on screaming...this one isn't near as horrifying.

  • @michaelvitiello9960
    @michaelvitiello9960 Před 3 lety +95

    Probably one of the biggest cases of piolet error ever!! He made a panic decision to execute a "go-around" maneuver. Where you go throttle up and take off and come back around and make a second attempt at landing. He was so worried about originally wrecking the aircraft that to avoid that, which they would've 100% survived and good odds nothing would have happened to the aircraft except over run the runway in the grass, but deciding to attempt the go-around which was too late for, he killed everyone on the plane and completely destroyed the aircraft.

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 3 lety +26

      Indeed, this was seemingly entirely caused by the captain's fear of getting in trouble for overrunning the runway. Human brains are quite weird, we are more afraid of public reprimand and humiliation than death itself, like a famous survey about people's fear of death versus public speaking showed. I think logic and rationality is something that has to be taught and continuously drilled, otherwise we'll forget what actually matters, like saving lives versus your job.

    • @revokdaryl1
      @revokdaryl1 Před rokem +1

      @@R2Bl3nd Yes, but let's not forget about the importance of having money. If you don't have money, you have fewer options available to you. If you lose your job, you lose your lifeline. Most people only have once source of income, which is a job. This is why some people tragically throw in the towel after losing a job unexpected.

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před rokem +6

      @@revokdaryl1 I'm all for work not being a requirement for food, shelter and healthcare. If you have to earn a living then that means you have to earn the right to live, rather than that being inherent like it is for all other animals and was for our ancestors.

    • @revokdaryl1
      @revokdaryl1 Před rokem +2

      @@R2Bl3nd You know, I've never heard someone put it like that. That makes a lot of sense. It doesn't seem right to have to fight for a life you never asked for in the first place. It's like that line from The Sunset Limited "Banish the fear of death from men's hearts and they would not live a day. Who would want this nightmare if not for fear of the next?"

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před rokem +4

      @@revokdaryl1 exactly. Holding basic needs like shelter, food and privacy over our heads ensures that we will just keep our nose to the grindstone and not try to change our situation since we're working hard just to survive. Our pre agricultural ancestors only had to spend about 10 hours a week looking for food, the rest of the time was spent adventuring and on leisurely activities for the most part. Medieval peasants had way more days off than Americans do these days. We're all being worked to death just so a few thousand people can live lives of unprecedented disgusting decadence and luxury. These people don't care about human lives, they have amassed the wealth generated by millions of people who have toiled away just to survive. Every dollar they have represents somebody's blood, sweat and tears.

  • @jackwoods9604
    @jackwoods9604 Před 2 lety +17

    Bottom Line seems like DEATH was staring him right in the Eyes and He cared more about not damaging the plane...This Accident was so Avoidable

  • @chocolatebar4654
    @chocolatebar4654 Před 7 měsíci +7

    whats scary is that nowadays you can still see the cuts of the wings around the end of the Runway of the Owatonna Degner Regional Airport

    • @codyking4848
      @codyking4848 Před 3 měsíci

      No, you can't. 🤣

    • @1rr3gular
      @1rr3gular Před 3 měsíci

      yeah i flew around the airport and couldnt see anything@@codyking4848

    • @chocolatebar4654
      @chocolatebar4654 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@codyking4848you didnt even try to see.

  • @Mikerulez101
    @Mikerulez101 Před 2 lety +21

    This is clear psychological denial. The pilots were so averse to the possibility of ANY type of crash, that they made a blatantly wrong decision to try to avoid it & made the problem much worse. It's like if someone told you to choose whether they shoot you in the hand or the foot, and if you don't choose either, they'll shoot you in the head, and you go "No, I don't wanna be shot in the hand or the foot!", leading to you getting shot in the head. It's so hard for us to make a decision that ultimately leads to a bad outcome for us.

  • @vangelis_2000
    @vangelis_2000 Před měsícem +11

    You were on the ground, man. You had the greatest gift anyone could ever ask for, and you threw it all away. To hell with V1 and all that, staying on the ground should be the rule, and lift-off a very carefully weighed exception. No, I wouldn't have made this mistake, because I know as sure as I breathe, nothing beats being on the ground.

  • @Desh727
    @Desh727 Před 3 lety +60

    The sound from the passengers is so low, how did they actually make out what they were saying so clearly. And how at one point, one passenger have enough awareness to ask "what the hell is he doing?"

    • @TheNapalmFTW
      @TheNapalmFTW Před 3 lety +10

      They can see thru the front window

    • @brandondenver4331
      @brandondenver4331 Před 3 lety +17

      With a good pair of headsets you can hear it. I was able to hear it and I am sure the equipment that the investigators used is far superior to mine.

    • @gatorpilot
      @gatorpilot Před 2 lety

      Good catch. It's a fake audio production, the script is based on the real CVR, but only the crew's voices were captured by the microphones on the flight deck. Those microphones are nowhere near good enough to pick up passenger voices unless they were all shouting at the top of their lungs and even then they might not pick them up. The idea of these conversational comments being picked up from 10-20 feet beyond the crew is ludicrous.

    • @billiebobbienorton2556
      @billiebobbienorton2556 Před 2 lety +4

      @@gatorpilot So you got it all figured out? What accident reconstruction courses did you take when you received your aviation engineering degree gunny? Dufus.

    • @kewkabe
      @kewkabe Před 2 lety +15

      @@gatorpilot The comments are in the accident report, so obviously a microphone picked it up. How else would the NTSB know what was said if it wasn't recorded?

  • @AJ7813
    @AJ7813 Před 3 lety +49

    For any Hawker 800 pilots, who’s primary responsibility was it to apply the brakes in this scenario? The pilot who is actually landing the airplane or the co-pilot? Also, was this a case of not fully engaging the “lift dump” handle or not applying the brakes along with it. I’ve heard that the “lift dump” on this particular airplane is typically very effective at stopping it. Very sad.

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 3 lety +24

      The lift dump is so effective that the manufacturer actually requires pilots commit to the landing once it's used. The incident pilots didn't know that.

    • @jessbeitler8653
      @jessbeitler8653 Před 3 lety +19

      From my understanding the co pilot was landing and was not familiar with the airport. The runway was shorter then expected and he didn’t think there was enough room so he tried to get it back up. This is just what I heard from my sister who was engaged to the pilot (Clark) It was so sad to hear them.

    • @jakedaniel66
      @jakedaniel66 Před 3 lety

      @@jessbeitler8653 www.findagrave.com/memorial/151275261/clark-jon-keefer

    • @d.s.v.6404
      @d.s.v.6404 Před rokem +1

      You need flaps 45 in the Hawker 800 for lift dump.

  • @brspo1987
    @brspo1987 Před 2 lety +19

    One of the most interesting things I took from this that I have not read in any NTSB report or case study, is the possible impact of the passengers on the pilot. The passengers start talking about a go around and one even mentions he will have to get flaps to takeoff position, if this transcript is accurate, and immediately afterward he calls for flaps (which the FO incorrectly sets but wouldn’t have mattered anyway). We will never know, but curious anyway. This video also does a really good job of showing how little runway was remaining when he decided to go around. The NTSB found fault with missed briefings, poor CRM, etc, but at the end of the day he had the aircraft down in the touchdown zone at the appropriate airspeed. The only thing that precluded this from being a safe landing was failing to set one handle to the proper position. This created what was obviously a mentality in the cockpit that they had two choices left to them, and believed both were likely to kill them.
    Until recently I didn’t realize exactly how little runway was remaining whe attempted to go around. It’s no wonder as he calls for flaps he has a very serious sense of “ohhhhh shit.”

    • @mnpd3
      @mnpd3 Před rokem +1

      I doubt either of the pilots heard anything the passengers said. For all the crew did or didn't do, they were focused on the task at hand.

    • @ko7577
      @ko7577 Před rokem +1

      @@mnpd3 Yes, if you consider that the task at hand was making the worst possible decision imaginable and killing everyone on board.

    • @ko7577
      @ko7577 Před rokem

      It was a mentality of, I'm going to lose my job if I overshoot the runway, not fear of death.

    • @brspo1987
      @brspo1987 Před rokem

      @@ko7577 Well, neither of us were in that aircraft, much less the captain's thoughts. Perhaps you're right. But a runway overrun has the potential to be every bit as deadly as crashing the airplane on a failed go-around. Now, clearly, the captain chose wrong - but to act as if the most serious consequence of a runway overrun is losing your job is just disingenuous.

    • @soccerguy2433
      @soccerguy2433 Před 5 měsíci

      as a pilot, there is zero chance either of them were thinking about that.@@ko7577

  • @hugorissling8464
    @hugorissling8464 Před 3 lety +4

    thank you anon, very cool

  • @cybercitytimecard
    @cybercitytimecard Před 4 měsíci +2

    This Crash Is Twice To Ghatanian Airlines Flight 98

  • @MusicWizard85
    @MusicWizard85 Před 5 měsíci +12

    The death grunt at the very end is haunting. You're listening to the moment of the cockpit hitting the ground and a man die instantly, along with everyone else (except the 1 that died from injuries shortly after the crash). I've heard that same death grunt from videos where people are shot to death by cops.
    What a horrible way to go in a plane, especially as a passenger where you have no control over anything. All this pilot had to do was continue to break on the runway and worst case scenario some messed up grass and a few nicks/bruises from being 100ft off the runway.

    • @Chorizo727
      @Chorizo727 Před 3 měsíci +5

      Imagine all the organs spilling out and exploding from the force of impact

    • @Joeybago12
      @Joeybago12 Před 2 měsíci +4

      ​@@Chorizo727chill

    • @alanwatts8239
      @alanwatts8239 Před 21 dnem

      That wasn't a death grunt. It was a panic grunt and the effect of being thrown around the cockpit as it hit the ground.

    • @MusicWizard85
      @MusicWizard85 Před 21 dnem

      ​@@alanwatts8239No it was definitely a death grunt hence the likes on my comment. It's the sound of instant death.

  • @victoro6829
    @victoro6829 Před rokem +1

    To think that your last word is "shit"... Resumes very well our lives.

  • @jimdean294
    @jimdean294 Před 3 lety +7

    Unfortunately, the only statistic they never seem to equate...

  • @Spyke-lz2hl
    @Spyke-lz2hl Před rokem +4

    It’s like he heard someone in the cabin say something about going around and he thought that’d be a great idea.

    • @bellamafiaquackafellarecor7770
      @bellamafiaquackafellarecor7770 Před rokem +1

      One of the passengers says “get flaps” as if he’s telling the pilots that do that

    • @UnitedAirlinesDC10
      @UnitedAirlinesDC10 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@bellamafiaquackafellarecor7770 I thought it was one of the pilots? Why would a passenger be in the cockpit?

  • @arcadeshift5071
    @arcadeshift5071 Před 14 dny

    This is one of the most frustrating plane crashes in existance. Making 5-6 major mistakes in a precarious situation like this is baffling. This isn't LaGuardia where planes end up in the water if they overshoot the runway. The speed they were at wasn't catastrophic. The plane would've been damaged but the passengers would've survived. I can have empathy because humans are flawed and make mistakes, but these type of egregious mistakes ended several lives that should still be here.

  • @Themheals
    @Themheals Před 2 lety +11

    Awful pilots are everywhere. You have seen them. Dangerous unskilled undisciplined pilots are as plentiful as grains of sand on the beach. Pilots who live in a bubble of arrogance. Pilots who not just think the rules are for other people but KNOW the rules are for others.This captain is one of them. Its unfortunate that he took the others with him

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 2 lety +4

      I think putting the blame squarely on one person is ignoring the greater context of why they ended up up in that situation. It was a series of poor and selfish decisions by both pilots, by their company, and even by the FAA. The captain messed up terribly, yes, but the first officer could've helped but did nothing. Both pilots had sleep disorders and were very fatigued that day from lack of sleep. Their company didn't have any incentives for reporting such disorders to them. The company also did not train first officers formally; they just put them in a seat and made them learn on the job. Both pilots were fatigued because they had made decisions in the days before that sacrificed their sleep. The captain would normally get 14 hours of sleep per day but had instead gotten only six in the 24 hours before, mainly because he was up late the night before playing a poker game. The first officer had ambien in his system, which he was not prescribed, and he had stayed up late the night before watching home videos.
      There were more factors but overall it was just a mess of a situation. None of those individual factors were necessarily the smoking gun, it's just that the stars aligned that day and a bunch of systemic and personal issues is all combined together to create this disaster.

    • @wh0racle3
      @wh0racle3 Před 2 lety +4

      The people in the cabin should shut up and let the pilots do their job.. Its right there in the transcript. The one male passenger was telling him to get flaps and told him to do a go-around. Distracted him and gave him the wrong idea.

    • @lbowsk
      @lbowsk Před 2 lety

      And you know this how?

    • @htf5555
      @htf5555 Před rokem

      ironic

    • @codymoe4986
      @codymoe4986 Před 27 dny

      "As plentiful as grains of sand, on the beach"
      LOL! I'll bet you dislocate your shoulders, every time you tell a fishing story, huh?
      What a ridiculous overstatement...

  • @Ryuuu6581
    @Ryuuu6581 Před 22 dny

    1:29 the passengers went to a different dimension

  • @mnpd3
    @mnpd3 Před rokem +1

    Seems they had finally gotten airborne and would have all survived the go-around, except for hitting the structure a thousand feet or so beyond the runway end.

  • @dickbeale9731
    @dickbeale9731 Před 2 lety +2

    I hate when stupid incompetence leads to innocent people dying.

  • @TexasMan77
    @TexasMan77 Před 2 lety +1

    Is this the actual CVT recording or a recreation? Also, had they stopped in the grass could they have lost their pilots licenses? Thanks…

    • @YouTuber-ep5xx
      @YouTuber-ep5xx Před 2 lety +11

      It is real.

    • @UnitedAirlinesDC10
      @UnitedAirlinesDC10 Před 4 měsíci

      If they overran the runway and slid on the grass they would get a temporary suspended pilot's license

  • @Seathal
    @Seathal Před 4 lety +36

    I know hindsight is 10/10 and all of that but... why they didn't just break, maybe eat a bit of grass, sure damage the plane, emergency exit and a lot of explaining to do... but lives would have been spared. At what point when you're over 60% of the runway and low speed do you think it's better to take-off again and go around instead of hitting the break hard and slowing the speed you're going to crash at? I'd love to know why this split-second decided their fate when it seems the intuitive thing to do is break and let the grass stop you after a small bumpy ride.

    • @Peter-jy9rk
      @Peter-jy9rk Před 4 lety +9

      They would have lost their jobs and probably their license and career. Braking was guaranteed damage but a go around had a chance of no damage (tho obviously not in this situation).

    • @WV-mx3dr
      @WV-mx3dr Před 4 lety +26

      My thoughts exactly. Fuck my career, were mowing the grass rather than trying to get airborne...

    • @woodrax
      @woodrax Před 4 lety +10

      That is actually exactly what the NTSB said.
      "Investigators determined that the pilots hadn't begun the go-around earlier before overrunning Runway 30. The pilots failed to apply full brakes, and moved the airbrake handle towards the OPEN position instead of selecting the proper DUMP position during the landing, which would have safely brought the aircraft to a stop even after it overran the runway."

    • @tomperkins5657
      @tomperkins5657 Před 2 lety

      "20-20"...just sayin'

    • @232K7
      @232K7 Před 2 lety

      @@tomperkins5657 nah it means their vision had a 10 out of 10 score lol

  • @tranthithu2114
    @tranthithu2114 Před rokem +1

    Like video 👍

  • @enigmadrath1780
    @enigmadrath1780 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Maybe the simulation is misleading, but it looks like they would have been better off just rolling off the end of the runway. Plane seemed to be slowing down quite a bit. It's attempting such a late go-around that proved fatal.

    • @natedoggcata
      @natedoggcata Před 2 měsíci +1

      That is what the NTSB concluded in their report. He should have kept the plane on the ground and while they still would have crashed it wouldn't have been as catastrophic as this was. The people on board may have suffered Injuries but would have been survivable

  • @icannotpretend5834
    @icannotpretend5834 Před 3 lety +6

    Was this a take off or a landing? I'm a little confused.

    • @user-qm7ut6tt9z
      @user-qm7ut6tt9z Před 3 lety +9

      They could not stop in time so they tried to go around for another landing but they couldn’t takeoff cause that were too slow (this is what I know about it)

    • @icannotpretend5834
      @icannotpretend5834 Před 3 lety +1

      @@user-qm7ut6tt9z Ohhh ok thank you!! Is that what the "dumped" comments referred to?

    • @user-qm7ut6tt9z
      @user-qm7ut6tt9z Před 3 lety +3

      @@icannotpretend5834 I think the dumped means that the plane’s flaps weren’t out or something like that.

    • @icannotpretend5834
      @icannotpretend5834 Před 2 lety

      @Frank Rizzo I saw it land and i saw it take off at 00:37.

    • @kewkabe
      @kewkabe Před 2 lety

      It was a landoff. Landing then (attempted) takeoff.

  • @WindowsXP781
    @WindowsXP781 Před rokem

    At the end I could here the furniture in the background their like bouncing when that plane crashed

  • @Adriano-il3gx
    @Adriano-il3gx Před 3 lety +5

    I dont understand, they were landing but then tried to take off? Why?
    Was it a go around?

    • @seriesmaker1209
      @seriesmaker1209 Před 3 lety

      They tried to keep it on the ground but the flaps on the plane made them take off

    • @theretep6494
      @theretep6494 Před 3 lety +6

      @@seriesmaker1209 what does that even mean? This was a failed TOGA. The pilots made them take off again not the flaps. Tf you on about?

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 3 lety +10

      They came in a little hot for the landing, with a tailwind, and also they had missed a bunch of items in the before landing checklist due to the captain overloading the first officer by making him do unnecessary radio communication with the FBO at the airport as they were coming in to land.
      So, the plane's spoilers called lift dumpers were not deployed ("dumped") at landing, when they should have been, so the plane wasn't slowing down nearly fast enough until the captain pulled the correct lever, which was seven seconds too late, which really affected how much speed they had.
      According to the aircraft manufacturer, once the plane's spoilers go into full dump mode, you are committed to that landing, and you're not supposed to go around again. Unfortunately, the captain realized that the plane was going too fast for them to come to a full stop on the runway, and so he decided way too late to go around and try the landing again.
      However he never went over the go-around procedure with the co-pilot, and so in his frantic scramble to try and get the plane configured for a go-around, he calls out the non-standard phrase "flaps", meaning he wanted to get the flaps configured for a go-around, but that never happened. You can hear the engines start to spool up, meaning he configured the plane to have go-around power, except there wasn't nearly enough time for the engines to come up to full power.
      So, the end result was that the plane was not going fast enough for a successful go-around, but it was made worse by the fact that the flaps were never configured, meaning that they wouldn't have even had enough lift had they been going at the appropriate speed.
      So, the plane ended up still being on the ground right before it would have hit the antennas at the end of the runway. The pilot forced the plane into the air, but it's wings hit one of the antennas and got damaged, sending the plane into a stall and an unrecoverable roll, which caused it to impact the ground, inverted, in a nose down position. The accident was classified by the NTSB as completely unsurvivable.
      Both pilots made a lot of poor choices, both resulting in actions and inactions that led directly to this result. It was later found that both pilots had sleep issues, and they were both experiencing a severe lack of sleep that day, unbeknownst to each other. They didn't tell their airline about their sleep issues because it might have affected their ability to keep their jobs, which is very unfortunate. The captain had stayed up the night before because of a poker game that he was playing. 10 people ended up dying as a result of this compounded carelessness.

    • @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid
      @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid Před 2 lety +3

      @@R2Bl3nd 👌!!!
      Any chance you could share sourcing for the lesser-known details?
      e.g.: the captain's poker game the night before.

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 2 lety +2

      @@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid I googled the flight and read every article that appeared in the results. I don't remember the source for that piece of info, it was either in one of the articles or in the NTSB report, which I also read, but not in full.

  • @definitiveenergy1878
    @definitiveenergy1878 Před rokem

    Is it possible to un-watch this?

  • @dominicwayne924
    @dominicwayne924 Před 2 lety +1

    Cut the power and apply more brakes ,the make a mistake of a go around in such little runway its better to overshoot the runway

  • @thomaswood7495
    @thomaswood7495 Před rokem

    That looks like it was the worst decision I’ve ever seen flying.

  • @chloehennessey6813
    @chloehennessey6813 Před 5 lety +13

    Seems like pulling up the gear might have been better. Like more stopping friction.
    Who knows. But that’s why I’m not a Learjet pilot.

    • @chase.b2967
      @chase.b2967 Před 5 lety

      Chloe Hennessy the time from when the aircraft took off to crash was hardly enough Time for the gear to even start to retract the main reason it stashed was because it struck the ils structure at the end of the runway destroying the end of the wing causing the wing to stall

    • @CjPinheiro_
      @CjPinheiro_ Před 5 lety

      It was not Learjet. It was an Hawker 800. I need to read the final investigation but, I guess the total retraction of the flaps, it was a of the aircrash's factors.

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 4 lety +14

      That would have cost them their job and gotten them into who knows what kind of trouble. They were looking out for themselves, trying to salvage the plane and their careers rather than just bringing themselves and the passengers to a safe stop regardless of the damage it might have caused to the plane. They broke one of the most basic unspoken rules in piloting, which is to not turn a small accident into a disaster scenario. If they had used all the stopping power they had once once they realized the landing wasn't going ideally, the worst case scenario wasn't that everyone was going to die. Trying to take off so late, however, opened up that possibility. I believe the decision that led to their fatal mistake was self-serving. But of course that wasn't the only factor, it just contributed to what happened.

    • @BeatleBailey
      @BeatleBailey Před 3 lety +3

      You can't retract the gear with weight on wheels. When on the ground the squat switch is open, disabling the gear retraction system. It's a safety feature.

    • @methdxman
      @methdxman Před 3 lety +1

      Lmao

  • @ronrubicon1593
    @ronrubicon1593 Před rokem

    Can someone please explain why the plane didn't stop, in layman's terms? The brakes weren't applied? How in the world is that possible?

    • @AITCHESSPEE
      @AITCHESSPEE Před rokem +5

      the NTSB conducted an investigation into the accident and they found that the pilot didn't steer the plane properly during landing and didn't stop it even though he knew it wasn't aligned with the runway. The report says the pilot didn't apply the brakes, which caused the plane to go off the runway and crash. But it's not clear why the pilot didn't use the brakes. He said they didn't work, but the investigation found no problems with them. It's possible the pilot didn't use them correctly or was unable to for some reason, but the investigation couldn't say for sure.

  • @vedder758
    @vedder758 Před 4 lety +19

    This aircraft takes off at Flaps 0?

    • @TigerDriver66
      @TigerDriver66 Před 4 lety +24

      It’s not even a true go around call. There was no brief before landing so the copilot probably had no idea. Either way, they weren’t getting off the ground even with correct flaps. This is shocking pilot error. Just take the overrun and everyone’s lives. Going around at that point is all the captain trying to save his ass from questioning.

    • @richardbelt3716
      @richardbelt3716 Před 4 lety +6

      vedder758 Yes the Hawker takes off with Flaps 0. We occasionally will use flaps 15 for shorter runways and heavy loads.

    • @richardbelt3716
      @richardbelt3716 Před 4 lety +6

      The Tiger Driver They used this accident as a example during my initial Hawker training. Never attempt a go-around after the lift dump has been deployed. Or just in general when you don’t have sufficient runway remaining . That poor FO must have been mortified when the Captain pushed those Throttles forward. Your choice of using the word “Shocking” to describe the captains decision is dead on. Rip to the Crew and passengers.

    • @R2Bl3nd
      @R2Bl3nd Před 4 lety +5

      @@richardbelt3716 I understand that the first officer wasn't trained at all by the company, so CRM was pretty much non-existent. They had no training procedures in place at. Essentially, as I understand it, they took pilots straight out of flight school and put them in planes as first officers to more experienced pilots, and then just let them figure out how to learn the ropes from there. So the first officer might not ever have had the training or self-assurance to be able to speak up in that situation, I'd think. They were also both suffering from severe sleep loss, unbeknownst to each other. Every crash involving loss of life seems to have many contributing factors, this one being no exception. Although it's hard to say what was the deciding factor in the crash happening, I think it was the pilot self-serving choice to try and salvage his poor landing by going around, rather than just getting the airplane to a stop regardless of whether or not it would have gotten damaged or giving people a rough ride. He was looking out for his job I think and not anyone's safety or well-being.

  • @lenadams854
    @lenadams854 Před 7 měsíci

    I somehow want to see Mayday Air Crash cover this

  • @linmoegaming1283
    @linmoegaming1283 Před 7 měsíci

    He starts shaking

  • @FASTBOOBS
    @FASTBOOBS Před 3 lety +7

    what means "dump" on the flaps?

    • @TheNapalmFTW
      @TheNapalmFTW Před 3 lety +1

      Air brakes

    • @FASTBOOBS
      @FASTBOOBS Před 3 lety

      @@TheNapalmFTW and 00:08 :" we are dumped?".. Then replied:".. we are not"

    • @Bartonovich52
      @Bartonovich52 Před 3 lety +2

      If you look at the flap gauge in the corner you can get an idea.
      Dumped is when the flaps over extend to provide a large amount of drag. Kind of like air brakes.
      It’s only used on the ground.
      What I think happened was either the plane bounced and deactivated the dump or the copilot made an incorrect selection.
      And rather than the flaps being set for takeoff position, they were completely retracted for the go around. Had they been set the plane probably would have still crashed but the crash would have been survivable since an aggravated stall with a wing drop so close to the ground would have been less likely.

    • @FASTBOOBS
      @FASTBOOBS Před 3 lety +1

      @@Bartonovich52 but whats the correlation of this word to the real meaning of it ( garbage)?.. I heard it only on this video. On the rest of the world we don't say that thing

    • @devintariel3769
      @devintariel3769 Před 3 lety +2

      @@FASTBOOBS in English dumped means to get rid of so in this connotation the dump setting on tbe flaps is to get rid of speed and lift in combination with the brakes and reverse thrust. The pilots made the mistake of trying to take off again, and didn't communicate properly. At worst they would have overrun the runway and lost the plane but probably survived.

  • @thejasonknightfiascoband5099

    What did the pilot mean by "we're dumped" ??

    • @johnjill4355
      @johnjill4355 Před 2 lety

      The brakes.

    • @d.s.v.6404
      @d.s.v.6404 Před rokem +1

      @@johnjill4355 Wrong. They thought the aircraft was in a configuration called, “lift dump” which deploys the airbrake and flaps to 75.

  • @Philippine_Airlines747
    @Philippine_Airlines747 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Flaps might be as f*ck

  • @easysimple7191
    @easysimple7191 Před 3 lety +2

    maybe better if not going around

  • @EvilSnipa
    @EvilSnipa Před rokem +2

    LOL

  • @scouttroopergaming
    @scouttroopergaming Před 7 měsíci

    I heard a brain fart at the end

  • @RedzClapz
    @RedzClapz Před 4 lety +7

    Looks like a scene from the movie FLIGHT

  • @Alex_maybefrench614
    @Alex_maybefrench614 Před 5 měsíci

    ngl but that was the goofiest touchdown for a crash..

  • @maryapplesaavedra4645
    @maryapplesaavedra4645 Před 3 měsíci

    What game is that

    • @HunterGT4G
      @HunterGT4G Před 15 dny

      its not a game, its a animation or 3d blender or somthing.

  • @Religious_man
    @Religious_man Před 6 měsíci

    They're dumped.

  • @mikebyrd8278
    @mikebyrd8278 Před rokem

    Sucks they try to take back off again

  • @erahcee9425
    @erahcee9425 Před 4 měsíci

    What game name if it’s even an game

  • @angelicagaleno4730
    @angelicagaleno4730 Před 4 měsíci

    crashing to runway 12

  • @aviciouscornucopiaofanger
    @aviciouscornucopiaofanger Před měsícem

    Shouldve stayed course

  • @Glaggle120
    @Glaggle120 Před měsícem

    Kinda remind me of Yak 9566

  • @unionpacific2
    @unionpacific2 Před měsícem

    Did anyone survive that

    • @Goksman
      @Goksman Před měsícem

      No one survive

    • @MusicWizard85
      @MusicWizard85 Před 21 dnem

      1 person briefly but died within a few hours from injuries. They were sitting in just the right seat to minorly reduce some of the impact based on how the plane impacted but not enough to keep them alive for too long.

  • @rhuanramos6087
    @rhuanramos6087 Před 2 lety +1

    really total madness

  • @biggobot3253
    @biggobot3253 Před 2 lety +11

    Captain was a clown. Shoulda been working a desk job.

  • @Spyke-lz2hl
    @Spyke-lz2hl Před rokem

    Huge mistake.

  • @Ryu1478
    @Ryu1478 Před rokem

    Overshooting is much safer...

  • @TexasMan77
    @TexasMan77 Před 5 lety +7

    How did they overrun the runway? Didn’t brake in time?

    • @sparrowlt
      @sparrowlt Před 5 lety

      @Ranger.Infantry This wasnt controlled flight into terrain.. this was trying to go arround AFTER touching down

    • @irn2flying
      @irn2flying Před 5 lety +5

      That is hard to watch...It sounds like they came in hot, floated, and then had minimal braking due to heavy water on the runway. I don't know the details, but I'm speculating they had a better chance of survival staying on the ground, just trying to steer clear of the light bars, and take their lumps, till she stopped. RIP

    • @methdxman
      @methdxman Před 5 lety +25

      @Ranger.Infantry The landing was perfectly well within normal limits. The fucked up the braking procedure and instead of owning up to their mistake (and overrunning the runway slightly and getting a citation) the guy decide to do a dangerous go around and killed everyone. It's as simple as that. Weather had nothing to do with this accident.

    • @methdxman
      @methdxman Před 5 lety +7

      @@irn2flying Weather had 0 to do with the accident.

    • @CjPinheiro_
      @CjPinheiro_ Před 5 lety

      @@goldairways6017 Was the flap in position 0 not a contributing factor?

  • @AmericanF-16
    @AmericanF-16 Před 9 měsíci +1

    *fuh-laps*

  • @SamsungSamsung-go6jt
    @SamsungSamsung-go6jt Před 2 lety

    Name game ???

  • @rjharvey8162
    @rjharvey8162 Před 4 lety +10

    I could have lived without the sound descriptions

    • @pandab34rYT
      @pandab34rYT Před 3 lety +11

      [Sound consistent with a computer mouse left-click, likely on the thumbs-up button for the above comment]

    • @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid
      @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid Před 2 lety

      @@pandab34rYT [sound consistent with a guy laughing in anticipation of future replies in this format]

  • @Ral9284
    @Ral9284 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Hard to believe this wasn't on purpose, very hard to believe.

  • @Tiger98291
    @Tiger98291 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I Can Barely Here The Female And The Male

  • @-j66-
    @-j66- Před 27 dny +1

    0:24 fuck

  • @user-bj9mo1uu1t
    @user-bj9mo1uu1t Před 2 lety

    逆切れしてるのはくさ

  • @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid
    @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid Před 2 lety +10

    This is one of those ones where you just wish there were zero passengers.
    At least in that case, this crash wouldn't represent tragedy - it would represent justice.
    These pilots are murderers.

    • @crashstitches79
      @crashstitches79 Před 2 lety +3

      Murder is a legal determination. You are obviously an emotional turd who reacts instead of thinks. This is obviously a case of incompetence and not intentional homicide. Murder infers malice aforethought.

  • @Nobody1982xx
    @Nobody1982xx Před 4 měsíci +1

    this is so irresponsible from the pilot. he killed those on board.

  • @paulinenaulak4881
    @paulinenaulak4881 Před 5 měsíci

    🎮game

  • @drumdude46
    @drumdude46 Před 3 lety +1

    Wasn't the Power 'Pulled aft'...by the end of the runway? why the hell did the aircraft actually get 'lift again' and invert...if there was no fucking thrust happening? Jesus.... Just awful, no matter the engine and flaps config.....

    • @pegg00
      @pegg00 Před 2 lety +1

      They tried to go around

    • @graciegjj
      @graciegjj Před 2 lety

      It was a bad idea because you know things like antennas and stuff... But maybe if they hadn't of hit that they could have done it but unwise.

  • @NusaFly002
    @NusaFly002 Před 3 lety +8

    0:40 OOF

  • @elmersugian6967
    @elmersugian6967 Před 7 měsíci

    0:22 & 0:23 i olmost laft

  • @duckyTV
    @duckyTV Před 2 lety +3

    Lol

  • @jak3andl3ah
    @jak3andl3ah Před 2 lety

    moral of the aviation accident: always dump fuel when u land.

  • @jimmyjames6318
    @jimmyjames6318 Před 5 lety +2

    And maybe quit having shit sticking up in the air near the runway for planes to strike? Just saying.

    • @joshuaburdette5531
      @joshuaburdette5531 Před 5 lety +10

      Jimmy James that “shit” that you’re referring to that they hit is called a localizer antenna. It’s is part of the ILS(Instrument Landing System) and most regional/major airports have them. Without getting complicated, it allows the aircraft to line up with the runway even when you can’t see it.

    • @JeffRoss1122
      @JeffRoss1122 Před 5 lety +5

      Most idiotic comment I've read all day. Well done

    • @chase.b2967
      @chase.b2967 Před 5 lety +2

      This comment is very stupid. Do your research buddy

    • @TigerDriver66
      @TigerDriver66 Před 4 lety +6

      Dude come on. Stick to being a passenger.

    • @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid
      @ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid Před rokem

      @@joshuaburdette5531 I would have been wayyyyyyyyyy less polite about issuing that answer.
      Stupid people don't know they're stupid...gotta tell em!

  • @kinmanwong72
    @kinmanwong72 Před 3 lety +7

    Too many foul words

    • @Sashazur
      @Sashazur Před 3 lety +17

      It’s reality, real people’s last words. Not everyone censors their speech when they are terrified for their lives.

    • @alexbob7799
      @alexbob7799 Před 3 lety +13

      "oh no bad words ewwwww!" can you don't

    • @peterbarlow7781
      @peterbarlow7781 Před 3 lety +7

      That’s what you got from that video? Sheesh!

    • @slink5986
      @slink5986 Před 3 lety +9

      What would you say in the last moments of your life *huh?*

    • @kinmanwong72
      @kinmanwong72 Před 3 lety +1

      @@slink5986 Who are you? An idiot?

  • @chalklounge
    @chalklounge Před 2 lety +1

    All time favorite comedy video.