Why Scania Made A V8?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Speaking of trucks, there is hardly any engine more typical for a brand than the Scania V8. Currently, it is produced in the second generation and demand after does not calm down. In countries with a higher load limit than 40-ton as in the EU, such as Italy or Scandinavian countries, it is a preferable power unit. With the latest 770 hp and 3,700 Nm engine, it has a lot to offer, but where does the original idea to create it even come from?
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I like how Scania has stylized the V8 logo to look like the first generation engine head cover. :D
I got that on sight too. Interesting!
So?
V12,V16,V20 etc
See MTU google
Fuss about a V8...??!
Never knew that before reading your comment and getting glimpse of that 1st gen engine. You're absolutely right indeed. Nice idea from marketing department.
@@jothain I noticed that in this video. I actually compared both before commenting to be 100% sure the shape is the same.
Its not scania who made tha V8 logo. Its a company called Svempas here in sweden. Svempas just patended the V8 logo so scania bought the whole company 😂
You can always tell a straight piped V8 Scania comming a kilometer away.
Godlike sound.
Yesss, there is one often coming to the factory I work at and the sound really is godlike like you said
Here where I like I can hear them and Mercedes trucks accelerating well over 3 km away. They straight pipe these things and put turbos with ungodly sounds, both in quality and loud. It's pretty nice, brings back a lot of childhood memories and the sound they make is definitely louder than any vehicle ever. Many times I remember walking on the streets and one of those would accelerate after a stop and everyone would have their ears ringing for a good while, when they are there, you can hear nothing but them.
I used to be a truck driver for about a decade when I was younger, and one if my fondest memories was driving my timber truck with the 580-horsepower 16-litre V8. I still love that lumpy idle and that awesome drumming heartbeat of the V8 when you gun it for a long uphill with a full load! There really is nothing like a Scania V8 👍
Huh fwolf!
Sadly, I'm driving a Volvo FH540 Dual Clutch with a 13L I6. Though, the company has a few Scania trucks as well, but mostly G480s and G490s. I think they have 2 V8s. An R560 and an R580. I do, however, think Volvo is better suited for our jobs, though, since it has electric steering and I find the I-Shift transmissions are better for reversing. Just my opinion. Otherwise, Scania makes damn good engines and really comfortable cabs.
@ժʝ_ Not really sad about it. I think the I-Shift Dual Clutch is the best transmission to have ever been mounted on a truck. And the reason why I find it better for reversing is that when you let go of te pedals in a Scania it goes into neutral and just rolls, but in a Volvo it stays in gear so it's like letting up the clutch. So when you need to do precision reversing it's easier to just operate the brake pedal. I don't really know what causes it but when steering full to one side or the other, in a Scania, it sometimes starts to jump up and down a lot. Might be the differentials, but idk. And we need to steer quite a lot sometimes when we reverse, especially when we reverse at an angle. Sometimes the truck can be at a 45° angle or more but the trailer is straight in the gate or at a dock. We use slightly more complicated trailers in Sweden than the rest of the world.
Interesting that it only had 580 BHP but was 16 litres. My AMG V8 was only 5.4 litres (a third of the capacity) but was already 350 BHP.
@@EnglishLaw Can your 350hp V8 pull a heavy trailer? Don't think so. It's the torque that's most important. I'd guess your AMG has somewhere around the 500Nm torque mark. However, a 580hp, 15.6L Scania V8 has around 2800Nm of torque. The transmissions also does a lot for the pulling capacity. 1st gear in an OptiCruise is usually around 15/1. That means 1 rotation of the wheel is 15 rotations of the crank. That means the torque is now multiplied by 15. Let's say you have 3000Nm of torque (almost like a Volvo FH16 700). You now have 45 000Nm of torque. All of these stats are quite impressive, considering the engines only use about 4x as much fuel (on average, over one day's work) as a normal car, but are made to pull 50-60 times that of the weight of a normal car.
There is something satisfying about a brand sticking to it’s heritage
Pedigree
The Truck V8 will also die out eventually.
@@jody024 can't wait for 2L inline 4 diesel trucks
@@kazsmaz they are already a thing in smaller trucks
Its rare to see other companies doing that too :(
You forgot to mention that Mack partnered with Scania to make their legendary E9 v8 engine. They're pretty similar engines except mack used 4 heads per engine while the Scania used 8 per engine, also mack used a V style pump while Scania used an inline 8 injection pump.
Too bad Volvo killed Mack before they could develop their engine further, I think If it works in Europe it would work in the US.
I was just about to comment that one sounded like a Superliner!
Scania and Mack had a partnership for around 40 years, joint development of the V8 engine, producing buses, trucks for each other. But Volvo killed that, they wanted Mack to use Volvo engines
Scania developed the diesel direct injection combustion chambers/heads for mack, since they were using gas engines and lanova diesel heads but those were low output. That's how the partnership was born. They co developed many projects together. Fun fact renault was owned by mack and they supplied mack e9 v8 engines for the magnum trucks. So even though renault and scania v8 trucks were competitors they essentially used the same engine.
@@Numer1Polak Yeah I knew that mack was one of the first in America to use the lanova design but Im not sure what the advantage was. Scania and mack also shared some truck design like (my favorite) the Mack Mh looks very similar to the Scania cabover designs.
A straight 6 is cheaper to make less components means more reliability cheaper to rebuild makes the same power as a similar sized v8 and more efficient smoother running
As hilly as Italy is, I absolutely understand why they love that power density so sooo much.
Actually, the Scania V8 diesels, came about in the 1950s. They had a partnership with Mack, to develop Mack's "Thermodyne" V8, in return, Scania had received bus chassis, for Scania to sell/distribute in the European markets, under their own name.
Another nice thing that Scania intruduced was the modular cab system.Using the same "basic platform" scania offers a variety of cab configurations that fits it's customer needs.Like the P,G,R or S models.
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I work at Scania's factory in Brazil, I'm very proud of this brand.
My dad works at Scania Cape Town. Truck driving runs in our family.
you mean VW factory. Scania is only a brand.
@@hagestad No my friend, the factory was built before the control made by VW, in fact many of the policies and concepts are Scania's own, don't talk about what bc doesn't know.
@@danieldvk1979 common. Scania got Aladeened
@@hagestad Luckily not here in Brazil, it's still a great company to work for.
Scania just made their way back into the US market(Marine) with the DI13 and DI16, a 900hp inline 6 and a 1150hp V8 respectively. They look like great engines but I have yet to work on them. I know the old Scanmar 6SY-720 was a good engine just didn’t sell very well stateside hopefully they have better luck this go around.
It’s a shame North Americans don’t get to use Scanias. If you think Volvo VN is good Scania would be even better.
Scanmar? Is that a Scania and Yanmar partnership?
Scanmar? Is that a Scania and Yanmar partnership?
@@robwhite3241 yes it’s a Scania engine that Yanmar marinized and distributed.
@@billybellend1155 scanias are amazing trucks to drive, the extra character if the v8 makes them that much more desirable too, you never get sick of the v8 sound
First time I really paid attention to Scania V8 was in the army listening to CV-90's rumbling DC14. Absolutely epic noise!
The engines are good. Especially in the newer ones. Many trucks here in Norway run them. You’re never late in a v8:)
In finland theres a lot of shit talk about scanias v8´s... example they have chanced to aluminium blocks to weight reduction and people have had it broken even under warranty.... volvos keep their price better than scanias... scania v8 engines has nice sounds but volvo staight six is always better way to go if you think the money and the company´s perspective.
@@Janterox it's THE thruth
tell that to the countless number of late deliveries i had in eurotruck simulator 2 XD
I used to have a Scania 144 rated at 530 hp, was a beautiful drive, I've loved the thumping sound of the Scania V8 since childhood, such sweet music to my ears.
Maybe I should refit my Kenworth with a Scania V8 😁🤩🥰
If ya got the $ why not 😁👍
There may also be another reason for the cab. In many European countries, there are rules for how far the freight train may be. So having a long nose only for the engine is a bad deal as it will cost on the length of the cart and therefore how much cargo it can handle.
Plus with loads of roads and cities that are centuries old...it makes sense to have trucks be as nimble as possible since many roads or cities weren't planned with them in mind.
Also its quite common for European trucks to go on ferries where space is VERY limited, also the cost for ferry tickets increase by the meter so you want to keep the trucks as short as possible.
Great video and hi from Australia. Love the sound of Euro V8's like the Scania and IVECO's. The Cat 3408 and E9 Macks would be my favourite thumping sound.
Personally own a 400hp VT903 V8 Cummins powered cabover Kenworth and a screaming Detroit 6V53 powered L series Ford.
Even though I'm American, when I was little my favorite toy was a matchbox Scania 143 T type. I had no idea what kind of truck it was at the time other than what stuck out as unusual was that the hood over hung the front wheels kind of far and it was right hand drive with a big Aussie road train brush guard. I would play like it was the truck in The Road Warrior. I only learned that it was a Scania several years ago from a mod on EuroTruckSimulator2
"why Scania created a V8?"
Easy. It's cool as fuck.
Hell yea Definitely.
Because an inline 6, doesn't fit.
@@ruckus__ hello? This is Volvo.
@@JakkeJakobsen what ?
I wish these were easier to get in the US. At least an engine, transmission, and PCM. I haven't seen anyone put a Scania V8 into a classic American semi yet. It would be an incredible European/American hybrid work horse/show truck.
I'd totally swap a Scania V8 into a Peterbilt 379, it'd be so cool!
international lonestar use Scania Engines in Dakar international scania race trucks.
would love a special V8 lonestar edition.
Case used the 11 liter straight six and 14 liter v8 back in the 70's in their big tractors. Look up case 4994🥰 I have also been in a boat with 2 ds14 engines, 1100hp below deck🤩
Scania tried to set foot in NA but failed.
They however still make engines for marine applications in NA.
That’s something I’ve put a fair bit of thought into. You should be able to get a crate engine sent over or at least a used one from anywhere in Europe. Those engines are bulletproof and run like a dream. As mentioned above they have marine applications where they make twice the power of the road going versions, the limiting factor is cooling as there’s only so many radiators you can fit under a bonnet, who knows perhaps you could fit two radiators in-line behind a long nose pete. I’d love to see one of them all done up, they do sound awesome even without a straight through pipe. The ones to have are either the ones out of a scania 164 or a 143 if you want a 14L. Sure you could go bigger, as they say there’s nothing as sweet as a 16L. You can get one out of an early R series, and the 620hp is the one to have out the 4 options. There’s people still running euro 5 620 at 1.5/2 million miles, never opened from the factory and still on all stock internals.
I live near a highway.
You always can tell when a Scania V8 passes, a very iconic and indistinguishable sound.
My grandfather was chosing between Volvo and Scania for his first big rig in the sixties, he compared the turn ratio an found out that the Scania was able to do circles inside the Volvos turn ratio!
He stayed with Scania to his death!
Miss you grandpa! ❤️
Scania is one of the most trucks appeared in Car show either on CZcams or TV.
Clarkson (Ex Top Gear presenter, now on Grand Tour) once said : "There are 2 kind of truckers in the world, one who OWN Scania or one who WANTED TO OWN Scania" This phrase is accurate at his time because Scania is most common in Europe alongside with Volvo too.
Matt Watson from Carwow once pissed of how he hated Scania because his Mercedes Atross he drove has lack power and displacement and he sweared alot of it and said "SCANIA SCANIA SCANIA" like mocking that brand.
There is so many things that you can found in Scania and even they meme it too.
on average Mercedes trucks are the most popular, if you go by historic new vehicle registrations and data provided by European Automobile Manufactures Association, Volvo and Scania often sit in 3rd or 4th place in terms of truck sales, there are also plenty of truck drivers about for whom if given a free choice, Scania would be a distant pick behind offerings from Mercedes, MAN, Volvo and even others, as headline numbers like power and torque don't tell the whole story.
Thank you so much for creating this, there’s a few documentaries out there by scania themselves but it’s really nice to see someone dig up all the history behind it.
In Denmark in Svendborg you can find an old ship from 1924 called m/s Helge that got a 1985 scania V8 engine. And as far as i know. 4 years ago they even got a exhaust catalyst installed to keep it up to date. Beautiful old ferry.
The Scania V8's and Detroit 2-strokes have always held the top spots for coolest sounding diesels in my book. Another great video Visio!
Love the Alfa Giulietta/Giulia Spider on the tow truck at 2:28, some things never change!
Excellent video and presentation. Learned a lot I didn't know about Scania trucks!
interesting,
i had just started working on a scania R for ets2 in Blender, an had been reading up on the history a bit on the v8s an then i hop on youtube an here you are with this amazing video with great clips of the best scanias :D thanks bro ! Stay Blessed !
Great content Sam!
Seeing those 143 Streamline clips, gorgeous. Back then Sweden had 36 Tons was the limit, and after speed limit increase, unwritten rule "10hp on 1 ton" appeared in hard Scandinavian applications. And Scania just made it with 350hp back then, then up to 580hp since 2000 in 60 ton era, and now having 770hp with newest 74-76 ton regulations in Scandinavia. In mid Europe 410-450hp is still most common for those who are driving standard 4x2 + 3 axle semitrailer variations, so we are not far from 50 year old 10hp/ton rule
430-440 hp is really enough for a 40 ton 4x2+3 axle trailer , I use the combo daily
@@egefe97 Yeah I have driven them too, 10hp/ton will bring you everywhere
@@egefe97 it depends, here in the alps most semi trailer trucks are between 500-560hp, very few modern one are under 500, sometimes i see 600+
Another good video thanks for the upload.👍
The Scania 143 is the most iconic scania ever.
A roaring brick? Must be a 143 lol.
As a truck lover, and now truck driver, I loooove the sound of big diesel engines through its short low/hi gears...I've never driven a V8 and I probably never will, but sound wise, an inline-six with a nice (or straight through) exhaust is my preference. 😍
I can't even imagine feeling the torque of a Scania 770S. That has to be one of the most satisfying things ever!
My dad and I were talking just a few days ago about how quiet modern trucks are, because professional drivers get tired of hearing their engine all day. he has permanent hearing loss from the time he spent driving for his dad, who had worse hearing loss. having driven a 70s "screaming" Jimmy with a V-8, I can understand why.
@@kenbrown2808 Absolutely! My dad used to drive a Mercedes 1634. For a few days, the exhaust was "free" (I can't remember the problem it had), and it was amazing to hear it for a while, but he said that it was kind of a torture to hear it all day. 😅
Love your informative videos!
Interesting stuff! Thanks.
The Scania V8 is the second-best-sounding series of diesel engines ever made to me, behind only the 2-stroke Detroits (particularly the V8s, but all of the 4+ cylinder Detroits sound absolutely AMAZING). I wish we had them here in the States.
Great video! Funny to see my yellow 140! ❤
This a reason why i love Scania than other... 😘😘
I like your new videos where you go more into depth on engines :D
My pleasure!
Well researched, lots of data, well presented.
In the USA, curbsniffers still exist. Curbsniffers have an advantage over cabovers and that’s the crumple zone.
I think Europe have more cabovers because rules about maximum length of the entire vehicle making them more economical.
@@vfr492 majority of EU trucks are cabovers. And yeah It's because of length restriction. And also because of alot of narrow, winding roads wouldnt be ideal with a standard US truck.. Even worse in the city.. There are some nose trucks but mostly show trucks..
you know if you crash whit a truck what ever is in front of you will most likely be gone and the truck will be straight
yes long nose kitties allow some space between driver and collision for safety..
I heard that it is harder to improve the aerodynamics of a COE truck, that's what caused the decline.
Engine sounds amazing at 06:54
Great sounds
Such a great soundtrack produced from that engine...
Sounds so nice
Cool, thanks, as always, good vid
i drive scania with V8, i love the sound and power especially
Hello from Canada to the Swedes. Love that V8 Scania sound. There's nothing like it!!!
I like when we are getting into trucks. We should do this more often.
Another cool fact on older V8s of Scania is the double water circuit. It's using two thermostats, so the water is divided in 3 temp ranges: hot, warm and cold
Please explain this system in more detail.
i'm actually 100% sure that the 5 000 000km is not actually the most one of those engines has gone. i took transport in highschool and we got to go to transport Companys and just be a trainee to just see how they do stuff and such. one of the old Scania they had was already past the limit of the odometer and was already 1/3 on it's way to max the odometer again. they told me they changed the engine a few thousand km before the odometer maxed itself out and reset. when i was there the truck was used to transport iron powder in bulk with at total weight of 64tons.
There is no doubt that 'SCANIA V8 IS LEGENDARY". 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great engine and the quality that Ava is puts into its design and construction is exceptional. Scan is also develops it’s entire drivetrain in house unlike other truck manufacturers that buy off the shelf engines, gearboxes and diffs.
We have a Scania tipper truck with the V8. I love the sound. Never had any problems with it
You have to take a look at the Mack V8 and the Fiat / Iveco V8. I did a lot of driving with both of these and they are as good as the Scania V8. One Renault AE truck did 2.500.000km and another which is still used has 1.300.000km both without any major problems. I have a friend in Australia who did 4.500.000km with his Mack Superliner and than had the engine rebuild and has now again did more than 1.000.000km. The V8 coupled with the B18 gearbox in the AE is a very good combination.
Noticed the distance between piston cylinders is a great distance , eliminating cracks in engine block .
"Why a V8?" Because they sound COOL AF!!
You've scored some points with me! 1:43 shows an Aussie R142 V8 Intercooler
Scania v8 make such a beautiful sound wish we had these in the U.S.
Wish they had a 4 L version for passenger cars );
Toyota make a 4.5 v8 turbo
When I was a marine engineer working aboard tugs and ships, all the propulsion engines were V diesels and in a few cases inline 10 cyl opposed piston engines like the Fairbanks Morse. The backup generators were small inline diesels. The V diesel is very desired IMO.
THe existence of the Scania V8 I think is one of the reasons why IVECO in the 1980's gave to the Turbostar a V8 engine option as well
Ora capisco perché alcuni hanno come trattore stradale dei loro sogni il Turbostar, per il V8... Adesso se vai a vedere il "Nuovo Turbostar" è solo una S-Way con grafiche Turbostar (non si sono nemmeno degnati di fare un nuovo V8 sia per la Abarth che per l'altro)
I used to drive a 143-450 about 20 years ago, which was old back then, it did pretty well considering it had done well over 2 million kms. I preferred the 113-360 with the smaller cab for most jobs.
The sound!
Nice video! Now with the new V8 range scania has also stepped away from egr and now run a pure SCR set up with the newley developed aftertreatment with two urea dosing points.
Must be less trouble by carbon deposits..
That's great news, EGR is the worst smog device ever to happen to diesels.
Scania is actually right now the only truck manufacturer that runs pure SCR system, the D13 have been without it for some years now
I wonder if that would be possible in California, USA. They have the hardest smog laws of all.
Scania made an I5, you should do a video on big inline 5 engines!
probably less fuel consuming than a v8 i guess..
We use Scania 9.3L inline 5 in town buses in south east Asia. It doesn't make alot of power, but they are very reliable. Getting 4km/L in congested city.
@@fleurdewin7958 If only it was swapped out for a trolley bus or streetcar system, bus service creates tons of diesel fumes in urban places.
Damn, crazy power figures from those behemoth engines
And don't forget about the 3700nm in the new top of the range 770! That is an insane amount of newton meters!
Would love to have a scania Love the sound of the scania V8 diesels...
Good video🇸🇪
From memory the 1st Scania V8's actually used a MACK built (16L Superliner)bottom end . 😁🕵️🇦🇺👌
Our locally built trucks has the same engine output (PS) with 60's Swede :(
Many truck manufacturer turns medium duty truck into heavy duty. Anything above 300hp is expensive. Hence those truck climbs very slowly and causing traffic pileups
Godlike sound.
Dope!!🔥
Makes me want to get a truck licence watching this video!
I wish Scania would offer trucks here in the United States. I love Kenworth and Peterbilt but... I'd love to have a R or S 730/770.. be sweet as hell & be king of the mountains. And Scania V8 just sounds so amazing.
damn that turbo sound of the older trucks
1:54 scared the hell out of me, was so loud lol. Thought my roof was coming down hahaahhaha
The sound of its v8 and turbo alone is enough to satisfy a grown man
I HATE V8s in cars and light-duty trucks, but man, I really love heavy-duty V8s from trucks. Scanias are rare in the US, but we have Macks, Cats, and old Detroits, although they're all rare anymore.
Awesome video, lots of cool older footage. This one is a good one.
How tf can you hate them in cars and pickups?!? Seriously?
8:45 sounds like a real beast.
I’d love to see a video on the Volvo straight 6 too!
The Detroit 6V92 is my favorite diesel sound ever, but the Scania V8 is a close....close second
But sadly, the scania v8 is counting their death date. Because electrification kills them😭
Not really. Electric trucks won't achieve a long enough range anytime soon.
8:03 wow it sounds good
Excellent video. These more in depth videos are great.
Thanks
Scania had a very interesting motor: DTC11 - It was not a normal turbo intercooled engine but a turbo compound one. Maybe that worth a video as well...
i've got a 2016 R450, couldn't afford a V8 yet but can't wait to get my hand on one
8:44 Also wenn jetzt nochmal jemand sagt: "Ein Diesel klingt nicht gut...", verstehe ich die Welt nicht mehr... XD
Oh, man I still miss my 2002 SAAB 9-3 SE I loved that car, but now I drive a E46 sedan 323i 300HP NA.
Scania V8 can easily be spotted on the road just by the sound!
(and also because top of the range V8 trucks are heavily customized by their drivers or owners, with lots of chrome, lights, and even full custom paints).
People who can afford Scania V8 can also afford to do customization to their truck.
I've got a scania 143 with dsc14, great work horse, with no electronics, it's such a simple engine.
Wow......too good 🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🤘🏻🤘🏻
but the scania at 6:56 is 144 that used ds14
Dang now I want one.
thong slappin...BBW diesel V8 is everybody's fave...honourable mention CAT 3408,Fuso 8DC series.
Reminds me of the the Detroit Diesels from back in the day. Different sound thou, the Detroit's screamed at high rpm.
Best thing bout them is the music they make not single other truck sounds that good
Mack E9 v8 is close.
Meanwhile i am running a 3 cylinder in my VW. I really wanted a naturally aspirated engine in it. A 1.6L. But hey, we dont get to choose this anymore. Kudos to Scania for this. I love the sound of these.
6:54 that's dsc14 not dc16 engine that you're mentioning
Some PHaTT sounding trucks