Fluke T6-600 Part 1, High Voltage Breakdown Testing, With a Human Hand
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- In this video we have a look at Fluke's non-contact voltage probe.
The data for the meters I have tested may be found here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Answers to Frequently Asked Questions may be found here: docs.google.com/document/d/1g...
Links to other videos that I reference:
Mike's Tool Shed
• Fluke T6-600: NOT DANG...
• T6-600: Last one, I pr...
Mr. Modemhead
• Fluke T6-600 Tester
AvE
• BOLTR: Fluke T6 Contac...
Fluke
• Fluke T6-1000 Electric... - Věda a technologie
Worth the hour-long watch, thanks!
If you stuck it out for the full hour, you deserve to be pinned.
@@joesmith-je3tq Joe, do you have a degree in E.E. or Applied Physics?
@@Midnitedreary88 Burger flipper.
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Funny story but I use to flip burgers with a fella my age who had a B.S. in Chemistry so its certainly plausible.
But, Honestly. I'm pretty interested to know. I am an electrician apprentice for local 164 in NJ. But, I have always had a fascination with electronics and electronic equipment. And, I'd like to know if this just from years of you tinkering on the side or if there is a formal education associated with your knowledge.
Electronic Technology A.A.S. or higher
E.E.
A.P.
Thanks Joe. Excellent job!
Thanks again Joe for another great test. Really took it up a level from other T-6 vids. Would love to see your follow-up. Best wishes from Northern Ireland.
excellent test Joe, thorough as usual.
Unbelievable review with extraordinary high quality analysis. Fantastic!
Hi Joe great video as always,watched the whole thing great start to my day!
Alex.
What an amazing, in depth testing! I've never seen anything like this! Thank you so much for your dedication and your time for making this happen! Once I started watching, I couldn't stop till the end
Love your approach and the knowledge you are showing. Stay safe! Grtz from Sweden.
Excellent in depth video Joe!
Nice vid, great tests, thanks for posting.
This was an OUTSTANDING video Mr Joe.... I feel better now and getting mine in the mail today I copied and paste this link to the guy who removed the back plate to his tester that you mentioned and showed on this video....
I'm glad you found the video helpful. The meter does appear to have some problems when using the non-contact sensor with some distorted waveforms. I demonstrated this in part 3. It's certainly not as bad as it was portrayed in AVE videos. I suspect there was some other motive. Drama = viewers perhaps? Part 3 can be found here: czcams.com/video/JeX87PklmEU/video.html
Thanks for the clarification about the tests, especially on the safety, since i was too concerned with this tests in that matter and they are for robustness and i mixed with safety which are different things. The loop probe looks very simple for it's price and once again the clarification shows how to measure properly the voltage .
How do you not have a whole lot of subscribers. Your test are awesome definitely will be subbing.
This is amazing, small electronics have always been an interest of mine, really neat how you blew the meter then tracked the problem down and repaired it. Thanks for the video!
There are a few other videos I made testing this Fluke in other ways as well.
great vid as all ways. keep up the great work.
Very informative. Very good analysis of the meter.
The T-6 sure has made the rounds on CZcams now. It is good to see the joe take on this model. Props to Fluke for at least trying something different, even if maybe it is not a total grand slam right off the bat.
Keep it up the great work!
This is late comment but when I was watching the video, I really thought I lost the author of one of my favorite CZcams channel. :) I am comfortable watching ElectroBOOM channel without fearing real electronic shock, but your channel is always serious test. I am relaxed seeing the next video being uploaded. :)
I take my time and am careful when I run test involving potentially dangerous sources. I like PhotonicInduction's channel. He works with much higher level energy sources than I would ever attempt at home.
I am perfectly confident of your skill and knowledge. It was thrill when I saw your hand shake at 46.03. I will also start watching PhotonicInduction channel. Thanks for valuable video.
I had measured the current levels during a breakdown prior to using my hand. This gave me some idea about the voltage it would breakdown at as well.
Thank you great video, keep up!
Best regards from Sweden
Hello Sweden!
Very good study. I saw the AvE test first and have scoured the net for other opinions. I understood it just reading the diagram
manual. The sensurround circuitry seems to read voltage while cutting current to a safe level. It is sensitive, I assume it
will become more dependable in future iterations. AvE is still my man, though, due to his extremely broad knowledge base.
Almost equal to mine LOL. Thanks very much. -SDC PhD
The non-contact voltage reading may fill some niche market. It has problems with some waveforms but then again, so do many DMMs. I'm surprised it performed as well as it did. One of the video shows a scope, monitoring various waveforms and comparing its voltage with this meter. You can get some idea what the limitations are. VFD can be a problem with it (and some DMMs).
Nice work Joe!!
I was surprised by the original video where they spent the whole time just ranting about Fluke. The real problem was the person making the review couldn't seem to read or comprehend the basic instructions. I had several people asking me to look at it to the point of sending me the meter. That's when you know it's bad.
Everyone is an expert now days. That same person had made a video talking about multimeter safety. They were going on and on but if you looked carefully, they had replaced the special HRC fuse with something from the local hardware store. The contrast of seeing the wrong fuse and listening to them talk about safety was pretty funny. I think they may have pulled that video.
Joe! Great job! Everyone hates on mybfield sense and I love it, like you mentioned I'm a high voltage field electrician and you proved that the small difference in voltage isn't something I'm concerned about and the fluke is less expensive and more rugged for a field application compared to the Bremen
You had me wondering if Brymen produced a non-contact meter like this. It appears unique to Fluke. Do you do any work with VFDs? If so, are you running into problems when using the meter with them? It appears to be a weak point.
this meter is designed for commercial electricians to get an idea what nominal voltage is present, ie 208/120, 480/277, and 240/120 single phase 50-60 hz. thats all we typically need to know on a daily basis. if we need a precise measurement we will throw our leads on it. its perfect for that application. we measure current to determine if a circuit breaker is tripping prematurely, or if the load is to high for the circuit. or sometimes to see if a motor is struggling. thats its design.
When you basically said you blow up meters or test them till failure is when I hit subscribe lol
This is really interesting thanks. It seems like the decreased voltage readings on the Fluke at 20 hz are due to the increase in capacitive reactance at those lower frequencies.
Great video! After seeing you do all that definitely I’m not buying it from eBay (use) 🤣
Dear Sir. I've just bought an TMK model 500. What kind of battery should I use (15 and one 1,5 volts. It's hard to find.
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does it still read if you put it around a piece of romex? Ive only seen everyone try a single wire but in a wall you are sure to come across all 3 wires in a sheath. Just curious, I find it interesting how it picks up the voltage with out contact though. look forward to seeing how it does that. (Im sure you will dig in and explain) Thanks for the videos!
To me, it makes sense that it would not work very well. I suspect the reason it did not work with the the Klein 60409 current splitter is two fold. The neutral is combined with the hot and their distance from the detector. If we look in the Reference Guide, #1 states, "wire must contact the bottom of the fork opening" and "1 wire only". That said, I tried some tests when I was making this video and could get it to throw up some decent numbers some of the time with two wires but romex carrying the ground as well, maybe not.
It seemed to me at 29:05 when your finger momentarily pushed the wire further into the clamp it did in fact read the voltage modulated with a decaying sine wave.
i noticed the same thing.
Seems like his finger had to actually be touching the wire to get a reading.
Actually, if I take my finger and place it into the probe area by itself, it will detect my finger. It should not be a big surprise that I am some sort of conductor. I suspect in this case, it could actually be picking up the stray AC off my body or perhaps I am acting as a low pass filter. I want to play around with their detector to get a better understanding how it works.
Very nice video, quite informative
its not a product for me but i can see its usefulness (but i really would not rely on this to see if a wire is energized or not before cutting in to it unless there is no other option, but a good way to find what wire you should be working on)
And i have had a dog chew up a multimeter before as the green and black meter looked very similar to one of his toys, but i never thought about ever using that meter again, board and switch were taken out for parts and the rest was tossed
John Ward made a video on proving a line was dead before working on it. Someone mentioned having one bouncing around in their tool box. Any of the equipment I use on CAT III stays in a hard case and is opened on-site. I have a healthy fear when it comes to AC mains work.
Luckily i don't work on cat III but even cat II around the house i be sure to wear my boots and keep one hand in my pocket
Greate video, the slots the wire has to go in seems a little deep if electrician would use it a box for current measure. But I'm not a electrician.
Hard to say. For myself I can't see it being much of a problem, if at all.
So just a bit of noise and it gives an indication that could easily be mistaken for no voltage? Seems like they need to do a firmware update to at least switch on the "voltage present" indicator.
If interested, read my last few posts. www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hear-kitty-kitty-kitty-nope-not-that-kind-of-cat/2525/
Joe. Is that the Fluke 189 at the end of the video? Thanks.
Yes it is. For it's age, it is a very nice general purpose meter. I doubt many electricians would ever use such a meter which may be why the only meter they offer now with some of these basic features is the 289.
I've been taught to never ever never ever ever! ground your self especially when poking around live wires/equipment, if that thing gets a little wet (Yikes) I'll be in the ground 6ft under, well cooked with no seasoning, just because this meter "passed" the test it's still crazy, so many things that could go wrong..
Like I said it gets a little wet maybe get a bad one from the factory like you said a dog nibbles on it.. I just can't see how people are now teaching us it's ok to ground yourself because of this new technology
My first shock was when I was 10 Very scary but it never stopped me from learning 👍.. A meter like this is teaching us youngins to do it wrong in my opinion... Would you poke around an industrial panel with that meter while grounding yourself? I doubt it 😂
Awesome video btw.. I watched the whole thing.. Very interesting you have alot of awesome test equipment, and its a cool meter but meh I like my fluke multimeter) no ground contact for my fingie 👆
I would imagine if you are using a standard DMM in the rain where you may need to make a physical contact with a live conductor with a probe, you may be worse off. In the case of the Fluke we have a non-contact sensor. The wire insulation and the Fluke's sensor would both need to break down. In the first case we have a single point failure, in the second a double.
When you are talking about grounding yourself, I assume you are talking for DC, or in other words physically touching a metallic grounded surface. Because we are dealing with AC, as the manual mentions and I demonstrated during the video, your body can be isolated DC and the Fluke can still make a measurement but with lesser accuracy.
Great video sir, I'm the one who ripped off the sticker. What kind of measurement did you want to know from it
If you could carefully remove the lamination to expose the components and measure the resistance and possibly the capacitance of each part. I don't need this to be checked with anything more than your basic handheld meter. Thanks.
joe smith would my fluke 375fc be able to read nano ferads, I'm not as familiar with the symbols on the spec sheet
Never mind, it will not. Not sure of I have a meter that will read nanoferads
The 375fc is limited to 60Kohms and 0.1uf. I suspect you would need a meter that could read higher resistance and lower capacitance. Maybe borrow one from a friend if you don't have one.
i only have one meter that could possibly do it, i'll check when i get home, if not, this is a good excuse to replace the fluke 87 i lost like 5 years ago
Hi, Joe - you mentioned that DC non contact meters are made. I'm looking for a non contact DC meter for tracing automotive wires; but I cannot find one. Lots of AC detectors, no DC non contact detectors. I hate piercing insulation in order to read DC voltage presence/absence. Can you post a link to a DC non-contact detector? Thanks - Charlie
I have never seen a meter that could be used as you describe. If you find such a meter, post a link. I would be interested in having a look. Any of the ones I have seen are meant to measure the charge, like a pith-ball on steroids.
OK, Joe - thanks. I'm no where near as educated in electronics as I'd like to be. It occurs to me that a wire with 12 volts flowing through it ought to generate a magnetic field - I wondered if it would be possible to sense that field, and flash an LED. I don't need to know the voltage, just whether it's there or not. Are there sensors that would respond to that small magnetic field?
Current flows through the wire, not voltage. Google could step in and explain the basics much better than I could.
Yes there are sensors that will detect this current flow. I even show one in this video and talk about its use in automotive.
Thanks, Joe! I appreciate the information. Really enjoy your videos!
What about this one?
www.omega.com/pptst/HHMA2.html
HHMA2 DC / TRUE RMS AC NON-CONTACT MILLIAMMETER
Non contact measurement of DC is quite different from AC. In AC you measure gradient of magnetic field, and the meter can rather naturally self-adjust sensitivity and guess actual max values. In case of DC you have to measure actual magnetic field, and detector calibration on site is a must.
btw just few months ago I've seen a clamp like this Fluke. RS PRO ICMA5.
You mentioned you were in bare feet on carpet. I assume most people out in the field would be wearing shoes with rubber soles.
Please people: CE-mark is NOT a safety mark!
It just indicates that the manufacterer guarantees the thing is compliant with lots of EU-regulations. Also it is NOT proof of independent testing; it's self-certification.
When it's about safety, i look at TÜV/KEMA/TNO/UL... And those still, are NO GUARANTEE that the product is actually safe... Most certification is about a device not interfering with other devices and/or that it won't be susceptible to that.
I just realised, while typing this, that i actually don't know at all how to find out if a device would, or would not, kill me (when used correctly ofcourse ;) ). Do any (trustworthy) marks actually exist that say "This thing will not kill you."?
" Most certification is about a device not interfering with other devices and/or that it won't be susceptible to that. " Interesting. That has not been my experience at all when dealing with hand-held meters. The vast majority that have been certified are for 61010-2-033 which in the title states:
"Safety requirements for electrical equipment for
measurement, control, and laboratory use - Part 2-033:
Particular requirements for hand-held multimeters and
other hand-held meters, for domestic and professional
use, capable of measuring mains voltage"
Very few have been certified for 61326 which is the EMC standard.
Yeah, i screwed up there a bit. Sorry :P
I was thinking too much about consumer electronics, where people see anything that even remotely resembles a certification mark (usually that CE-mark) as something that's safe. We have all seen those cheap, bad and evil wall warts having just some random markings printed on 'em to fool customers...
Ofcourse when dealing with professional devices, verifiable certification is a must. Because safety/trustworthy measurements (=money!)...
I heard the CE remark, then felt triggered and went on a rant :P
(BTW: excuse my bad English; it is not easy for me to express exactly what i actually want to say in English; my natural language is Dutch)
If we looked at all electronic products, I suspect your comment would be correct but I am not looking at toasters. A handheld meter can be designed to be used in far more hazardous environments than a toaster and why they have their own safety standard. It's also why we have independent accredited labs certify the products meet those standards.
As an electrician, if a meter is not robust, the meter is not safe.
It's a toy showing all over the place. No thanks. Fluke should do better
That HP 20S calculator has such an amazing keyboard tactile feeling..... hp at its finest...