Why I want to CANCEL my Ducati Multistrada Pikes Peak Order & Why I Don't
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- I am thinking about canceling my Ducati Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak order and keep my V4S instead.
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Would you keep the Ducati Multistrada V4S or trade for the Pikes Peak version?
I would not trade it in for the Pikes Peak for the type of riding you do; So is the handling so important to trade it in? Keep what you got.
Keep the V4S for the versatility if you do ride on larger trails. The Pikes is like a street only Multi, more like a tall sportbike.
If you don’t do any off-road, I’d say f* it, get the PP, I’m just waiting for my current bike to sell to put an order on a PP
I would keep my V4S, because i don't have the level of skills to pilot a PP better than a V4S.
Keep Your V4s - it's an awesome bike and add extended warranty. You will have KTM fun bike anyways. I'm on the other hand stuck between two completely different bikes - R18B and MS V4s. Both are great. R18 is too heavy and V4s is too fast. I didn't like V2s at all.
Once again - it is a pleasure to watch Your videos. Keep it up. Try R18B - I know it's not Your type but I would love to hear Your opinion.
This is the trouble with long wait times, you’ve got too much time to think, and talk yourself out of it.
For spirited road riding with loads of hairpins, the Pikes Peak is awesome. I absolutely love mine, it’s the best bike I’ve ever had. For Florida roads, maybe not so much. But if you want the better handling road bike, won’t be doing any off-road and will be doing trips with fun roads, go for the PP. You can fit all of the things you’ve mentioned to the PP (heated seat/ grips etc), so can make it as comfortable as you like.
I say keep the order in. If you cancel, whenever you see one you’ll wish you stuck with it.
I have a '22 MTS Pikes Peak. Ordered in March, received it in May. Never rode one before I bought it. I love the Ohlins Electronic Suspension - inspires confidence on curvy mountain roads. Also my 1st bike with a Quickshifter - gets up to speed fast! I'm 6'1", and my only complaints are the stock seat - likely going the Corbin route, the lean midrange (thanks EPA), and the not-so-impressive fuel range.
My PP is currently at the dealer for its 600 mile check (yeah, life got in the way of putting more miles on this summer), and install of the Akrapovic Race Ti exhaust w/UpMap. I already installed the panniers, top trunk, Hepco & Becker Crash Guards, RR CF Fender, Evotech Performace Cooler Guards, Tail Tidy, and Axle Bobbins.
I ante'd-up for the Pikes Peak because I wanted to get what I believe is a M/C at or near the pinnacle of ICE M/C design. I'm not getting any younger (I'm 53), and the Pikes Peak just fits my style of riding, and is capable of around town or long-distance touring (once I get the Corbin seat, that is). I also can't complain that the Pikes Peak is fairly exclusive, given it limited production run in '22, so it will remain a unicorn for quite some time, which means it will hold its value as it ages.
You've done everything right.
I've clocked up 5,000 miles on mine.
it's just awesome 😃
Mate, it’s all about how the bike makes you feel! If you can’t wait to get on it no matter where you’re going you love it so much then you gotta get it no matter what take the hit. There’s no logic here, if you consider it carefully you will see that it makes no sense, however, logic doesn’t allow for human beings, we are at our optimum when we feel joy in life and wisdom tells us it’s best when it’s natural i.e. no drugs etc. Pikes peak is next level from the S. I just took a 7k hit by trading my 950s only 3000ks on the clock and got the v4s! Big step up for me and it’ll be the same for you 👌yet another level up I was ready to go without the touring package just to get the v4 most people just don’t understand! We are dreamers and very spiritual beings we need these “Pikes Peaks” in our lives without them we will turn into slaves and reduce to animals, bit of a rave I know but I could go on, just fucken do it you will feel more alive and will become a better human being for having had the experience which most will never have and will never know what’s a few thousand dollars. You can’t put a price on this.
Don’t second guess your self, once you start that shit you’ll shrivel up real quick, reduce and limit your “beingness” then you stop reaching and thus the decline begins and sets in and you end off with a “wish I did that” fuck it just go for it!
I’ve had a similar dilemma to you for the past 2 years - but in my case it’s with my 2019 1260s. I love it and have been on so many adventures on it that I can’t bring myself to change. Short story I’ve kept it, now up to 52,000 miles, still rides like new. I now have a target to get it up to 100,000 - which I’ll probably do in the next 2 years! Stick with what you know…and love..
I think you should keep your bike. Your indeed getting a track bike. You get to enjoy the best of both worlds. Comfort and track when you feel like it.
I would also keep the Multi and put the race exhaust on it. It completely wakes that bike up and you'll have another fun 26k miles or more on it. I can't believe what a difference the upgraded exhaust made on my V4s. That said, you should go with what your gut is telling you.
what a difference the upgraded exhaust made on my V4s......Which exhaust do you have on it with or without db eater
@@stone_p.t I just went with the full Akrapovic system through Ducati. It rips! Sounds like a superbike (or a proper Ducati). Love it
I was in the same dilemma but I was well advised by a Duc-expert at the dealership here. For the city riding I do, it's just not worth it. Given that I am never gonna use the upper end on either, I am one for ALL the COMFORTS (some are options on the PP), and the storage options. TBH I ride to work and back the V4S gives me the smile/grin I need. I think the PP loses its lines as soon bags and a stand is added (more so a center stand). Given the summers I face, I think heat-management is even better on the V4s. Stick with what you have & keep the money too!
FuriousFrankie makes a great point in these comments…… biking ain’t always about what makes sense.
If someone told you that you couldn’t have it, would you be even more eager to have it. Are gonna like knowing that you’ve owned a Pikes Peak?
Will the more capable handling make it more twitchy on the long runs? ProjectMoto do a good review on a direct “back to back” comparison that’s worth a look.
All that said, I’ve been in exactly the same quandary….. I want the ohlins bling, the single sided swing arm, I love the red pillion seat, and the fatter tyres. I live in the twisties in the south of France, so I can use the handling. But I don’t like the number 1 graphic as I find it “cheesy” (wish they’d left it blank), and I’d miss some of creature comforts on the V4s. Truthfully also, I’ve never found mine to have a problem on handling even the complex, tighter canyon roads…..it’s superb! I’d say even better than the hypermotard I tested, because of the added grunt between the bends. I wish we could share photos in these comments.
In the end, I chose to keep my multi V4s, I got the full race pipe (which does make a difference)….. and I still love seeing it when I walk into my garage.
Your friend needs to wait before buying a Diavel because the 2023 model is going to have the Multistrada v4 grandtourismo engine in it.
Yes, he is waiting for the V4 coming out probably in March-ish (Ducati time)
Hi,
I had my Pikes Peak delivered in April this year and I am very pleased. Having said that, I have a few things I'm not entirely happy with. It lacks steering damper and has movable side panniers (to prevent wobble) which make the PP unstable when you emergency brake in a turn. You also feel this on bumpy roads. I will ask my dealer to lock these so they cannot move. It wears out a lot of tires (3 sets in 15,000 km) as I mostly, since I live in Norway, drive on curvy roads. It is extremely easy to lean down in curves since it has a counter-rotating motor and light rims.
I bought my first Multistrada in 2016, a 1200 S (75000 km) and then a 1260 S in 2019 (50000 km). 17" front wheel and single swing is something I have as a requirement and then only PP has this.
I have been an Instructor in our club (MC-A.NO if you want to check out) since 2011 and have tested all of them on the track. Anti wobbel is not something I have use for and have only experienced wobble once with the MS 1200 at 200 + km/h, so this is only useful for those who drive on the autobahn in Germany. PP is as good as 1200 and 1260 on gravel, but they have removed the Enduro mode, but you can of course set this yourself. I also do a lot of touring mostly on asphalt. The MS V4 S with 19" front wheel is no doubt better on gravel but not on asphalt (in my opinion). The Øhlins dampers are really an improvement. It has 125 Newtons against 130 on the 1260 but again 10 hp more. Can't say I notice any difference except that it is easier to lean down in a curves.
My buying argument is the 17" front wheel and single swingarm. Adaptive cruise control are "nice to have" but something I don't really use but blind spot warning is a plus.
That is a lot of tire wear! The pannier back and forth slide is actually a safety correction because of previous problems when they are rigid.
@@RemboUSMC Yes, but it (for my part) create a safety issue rather tha fixing one. I would wish that it had a lock so I can decide for my self if it's a safety correction or not. And of cource I drive mostly on very curved roads in Norway so that would probably not be an issue for "normal" driving. For the record I use Bridgestone T32 somewhat equal to Pirelli Angel GT. The speed tickets in Norway are insane which in turn make us drive on very curved roads with hairpins to challenge our selfs. If you drive 30% over the speed limit you loose your licence.
Hey Rembo! As always, great video. Ok, my two cents after 11k miles and one year on a V4S, I would put the enhanced exhaust system on it to get some added performance. Your V4S has the panniers and is set up for touring, which you will have to add to the pikes peak...$$$$$. I had heard from the "experts" that yes, the pikes peak is superior, but if one already has the V4S, the additional pizzaz, is not really worth trading your V4S in. So, you already have a great machine, you are equipped for touring, which you do, and with the exhaust upgrade, you get improved performance, keep your V4S!
Thanks again Rembo! I appreciate your wisdom!
Had the v4s sport for almost a year and replaced it a few month ago to the Pikes. The handling is unbelievable !! You can not believe how easily it drops from side to side. You have to know that it is less comfortable on long tips due to the revised sportier rider position but it still a comfortable bike. The sportier rubber gives you so much confidence on twistis but you will have to replace them more frequently. As to the suspensions... well once you go Ohlins you can never go back
My decision for me was to get the Ducati top trunk and the Ducabike handlebar risers and the windscreen you have. In the end that made it better for how I really ride than the Pikes Peak would be. The handlebar risers made the seat and my back feel much more comfortable. With the side bags off for daily riding it is more than just narrower. It feels different. Much sportier. All the guys at Newcombs ranch and The Rock Inn pull in with just the top trunk. Also I revisited the damping settings since the Fork oil had broken in since I set that up in the riding modes. I live within a mile of a canyon entrance to the Angeles Nat Forest and ride fast and still think that my bike is the right one for me. I had Pikes Peak fever but recovered.
Rembo, I’m in the exact same situation you’re in. I have the Sport model wit the extras. I pencilled it out, it feasible for me. Yes, I can afford it, and take the monetary hit, but it’s not that big of a difference to lose 10-11,000, not counting the extras I’d have to purchase ie: panniers,Center stand and more. It would be an additional 3-4,000 more. Everyone is different, I’ve wrestled with it for months. I with the money I have saved, I purchased a 2022 KTM 1290 Adventure. They are similar but different. You mentioned the Indian pursuit, that too is on my radar. I ride different motorcycles, for different times of the the year (Weather). I’m not a professional rider, but pretty good rider. It just didn’t make enough sense for me. I hope this gives you food for thought. Thank You for ALL the videos you have done. They have really guided me in a good direction. It’s just funny you and I are thinking about it in the same way. Good luck in your decision. Thank You
Just got my 2023 Pikes Peak yesterday. She’s finally home in my garage. Love it.
Congratulations!!
When I get mine (house first!) I'm going with a Pikes Peak, unless I get a deal I just can't refuse on the V4S. And I know it doesn't make sense, but really, down here (Australia), the V4S doesn't make much more sense ($42,000 AUD vs $50,000, if you get the options I want on the PP), and 1. I'm never going off road, 2. I live near amazing twisties, and 3. I think I'd feel like I was leaving something on the table that I really want.
I was watching another one of your videos the other day, and you said we only go around once. And you’re 100% right, we only get one shot at this thing. To me, the pikes Peak is the ultimate motorcycle. It is everything I’ve ever wanted in a motorcycle.
That's my mindset, how I view it. I don't fault anyone else who has a different set of priorities.
Rembo, wait it out. You can get a 2nd hand one after a year. Or wait for them to work out any bugs?
Rembo- I have ridden both the V4S and the V4PP but purchased ( and have in my possession) a 2022 MSV4 Pikes Peak. The bike was one of the press tour models used during the introduction and had approx 1000 miles on it- that's the only reason I have it now, otherwise I would still be waiting like you. All that said, it is a wonderful bike and coming from someone that does NOT ride off road, I can tell you that it was well worth the money. My other bike is a 2020 Panigale V4S and now I have a bike I can ride more than 50 miles without my legs falling off, LOL. Very happy with the PP.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Do whatever makes you happy. You only live once!
How many of your 26,000 miles are off road? If about none, what is the versatility you’re going to miss? My dealer told me the wait was going to extend months for my PP, so I was going to cancel my order and within an hour they confirmed I would have a PP in 2 weeks. Ride the PP and every 19/21” front tire bike feels so hard to aggressively take into curves. The PP is the best road bike I have owned and that includes over a dozen sport / sport touring bikes. I get it is expensive, but all the good bikes are within a few thousand of the PP. You’re buying a KTM to track a few times, so penny pinching isn’t your lifestyle. Sell what you need to buy the Pikes Peak and enjoy. Best sport touring bike you can buy today!
Off road is less than 1,000 miles, just a few hundred miles off road.
That’s why I stuck with 1260 17 in front rather than get the v4s with 19 the PP is too much new I will wait a few years foR a used one
I had similar thoughts and had an honest appraisal of what I'd be losing out on, versus how often (little) that the PP extra sportiness would make up for those major losses. And decided it wasn't worth it, so never ordered one. I've loved owning the V4S, but I'm thinking of moving on now. If I buy in the same sector, I'm going to try the Triumph Tiger 1200. I like the way it rides, the 10k service intervals, shaft-drive, sportiness over the GS, and its well built, has character, decent dealers, and you don't have to dismantle the entire bike just to do a valve check.
The Tiger 1200 GT version is an awesome bike. I did a review of one czcams.com/video/i1vKh1384i4/video.html
People have preconceived notions based on things they've read or heard. In reality, riding on the street, no one would probably even notice the slight difference in "handling." Which brings me to another point, what is "superior handling" supposed to mean? If you hit a pothole at 90 mph will the head shake less? Does it handle hopping over curves better to circumvent parked traffic?
What sportbike handling generally means is the bike is less stable at public road speeds. As speeds increase, bikes get harder to turn. One that is less stable at road speeds will turn much easier at track speeds than one that is stable at road speeds.
This is true of brakes and suspensions too. There is no superior. There is tunable over a wider range of situations, but all this stuff is designed to work optimally in a small range.
Racers often use Ohlins suspensions. They have a lot of adjustability to shave tenths of a second from lap times based on track conditions and rider preferences. Simply having Ohlins doesn't make its suspension response superior over the roads YOU are going to be riding. Most people have no idea how to tune them and are riding in so many different conditions on the road, there is no optimal tuning anyway.
Ditto brakes. Everyone thinks their bikes need Brembos best racing calipers to ride around the city. Those brakes are designed to haul down mass from high speeds over and over again without fading. They're shit on streetbikes. Just make braking overly grabby and jarring.
Motorcycling is about passion. If you like the looks of the 17" wheel go for it. Just don't expect that in reality it isn't any better for the types of rides you take and may even be worse.
Hey, thank you for taking the time to post all of this information. It is helpful and appreciated
Keep existing since they are changing models like the rally to fix issues like the phone slot. Hopefully they will fix the GPS to an open format so people can used the main display. Best to wait and let Ducati fix all the small issues that detract from a superior motorcycle.
Just get the full system on your v4s and wow what a difference, I have it on my full sport version .
Hello Rembo, after some months since the change, do you recommend the Pikes Peak vs de V4S despite the extra money you have to put??
Cheers. P.
It completely depends on your style of riding. If you have twisties and are aggressive in corners then absolutely yes. If you are an adventure rider that takes it easy and does not lean much then no.
@@RemboUSMC Thanks a lot for responding Rembo, very helpful. So far, happy with my Honda Africa Twin AS, but with de V4 in mind… Best wishes from Spain.
I know that waiting is not easy but sometimes is worthy the way, I also put a deposit for the Pikes Peak and I had never ride one but the dealer where I going to buy it told me that before we make the deal I can ride it to make sure I’m going to like it, of course for a few miles.
Good luck mi amigo:)
Thanks for sharing the concern. We are privileged to have the same first world problems… I have changed many bikes, loved riding them all, Hyperstrada, XDiavel, Panigale V4S but i was in love with the 2016 BMW S1000XR. I am now on a 2022 KTM Super Duke GT purchased because of the PP incredible delays in delivery. The KTM GT has an incredible engine, extreme torque but the reliability is miles away from Ducati and BMW. Plus the GT is not even close to being a tourer 😅 it is a very comfortable and easy to live with street fighter which offers some protection from the wind and some comfort for the wife that will not be hanging off the edge of the bike. I will surely be trading in the GT soon. For road use only, relaxed cruising with the wife and spirited rides solo on twisties, the question is to PP or not to PP? When test driving the V4s, while it is without a doubt an incredible bike, it felt as if the thrill was somehow missing and too much has been sacrificed for comfort, in the BMW GS direction of a muscular bike for pensioners with back problems (no offense to anyone- we will all be reaching that stage sooner or later), so i am hoping the PP with the soft rev limiter the different wheel sizes etc will bring back some of the missing character when needed.. Is it really worth the price jump though or is it marketing and ego fulfilling vanity ? Still think that that they could have done a better job with the PP livery…
I had the last pikes peak and now the new xr. Rode the new pikes peak and it's not as aggressive as last or as aggressive as the xr.
Rembo, I had the V4S and absolutely loved it. I did a 2300 mile trip in Baja on it and really enjoyed it. I did order a Pikes Peak and took deliver of it in May. I can say that I absolutely love the Pikes Peak over the other bike. What I love most about it is that it is a lot better handling bike to me. It feels more fun to ride and since I knew I would never take the V4S off road I decided to go with the Pikes Peak. Both are great bikes, but if its never going to go on the dirt, the Pikes Peak was the one for me. It is more nimble and fun to me. Either way you will win, but the Pikes Peak is just a step up IMHO. Take care!
Sounds like you are enjoying your Pikes Peak. I am a bit jealous ya know.....
We spoke before and you know I’ve just picked up my pikes peak, over here in Scotland, I ordered mine in early December 2021. I’m fortunate to have lots great twisty roads right on my doorstep. I’m not a tourer , don’t go out in groups. Just had 19 years without a motorcycle. But before that had loads latest sport bikes . Had a new 89 exup yamaha , and rode it straight to Bol Dor , south of France for 24 hr race, alone as all my mates slowly dropped out of the trip, so I went any way. Best thing I ever did on a bike. Blew my mind, used to do around 10 /12000 miles a year ,mostly weekends and trips. So After living in Germany over 12 years , America for 3, owning various sport bikes, then having 19 years without. I find myself ordering pike. I’ve only done 700 miles in last 4 rides out, first service is Friday 2/9th. But it fits the way I am now, yes I’m very rusty at moment, but it’s coming ,that feeling ,getting right lines , feeling the brakes bed in ,they bedded in today actually, great feel now.👍. I’ll probably put around only 2/3000 on my bike before Christmas , I’m guessing around at least 10/12000 next year ,could be lot more. Can’t see it being any less😂, as I’m enjoying my bike, I’m making memories. Cause without them you got shit all. Having 26000 on your V4s is cool in my book. 👏👏😊. Respect. You now know your bike. You’ve had an off. But all is repaired and thankfully you were okay😊👍. Memories. 🤔 mmmm it’s tough decision. I sold my first exup after 2 years it had 32000 miles was immaculate , my next exup had 21000 , my SP1 had 14000 after 18 months . Memories . You said it yourself you love your bike , not much you ain’t done. We only here once. I guess this will be my last m big motorcycle. May get something later ,smaller. Who knows . Maybe tomorrow don’t come? 🤔. Live your life buddy. Live your life . Cause I sure as hell am 👍😂😂🕺🏿🕺🏿🕺🏿🤸♂️🤸♂️🤸♂️. All the best mate . Taff 🏴-🇺🇸
Thanks for sharing your experiences Craig!
@@RemboUSMC it’s a pleasure sir. I’m really buzzing having bike again, I guess it could be anything. But I’m falling for Pike. 😂. Oh dear. I’ll be aiming to do the mileage you have , you’ve inspired me, I thank you for that young man. As that’s what we are . In this life we have , we are so fortunate , lucky , call it what you will. I’ve always worked for what I want ,worked hard. It’s the only way I know . So when you GET IT. WOW. Enjoyment is on another level. Go with your Gut feeling as I do. It has never let me down. And I guess it’s never let you down. I look forward to see what you decide, either way You Will make right decision. 😊👍🏴🇬🇧
I have Tenere 700 and a 701 Enduro, both come with a 21" front wheel. With good road tires (A41 or TrailAttack3) I don't feel limited on public roads, even serpentines in the alps, but I bought a set of 17" Excel wheels for the 701 to ride at a closed Go-Kart track, because the 90/90-21 came to a grip limitation. The bigger diameter wheels also have some benefits on bad road conditions and they feel more stable. I think the 19" is a good compromise for you.
Thank you
Firstly, I’ve had the new 2022 Pikes Peak since May and ridden it about 3,000 miles. I’m also lucky to have several other bikes in the garage from which I get a broad variety of riding experiences. From my point of view, I would never consider taking any 500+ lbs bike off road - except for gravel or hard packed dirt roads, which just about any bike can do. I’ve ridden the V4s model, as yours, and these are the differences.
1. Lighter Marchesini wheels and slightly tweaked geometry - provides a very nimble/agile feeling.
2. 17” front wheel & wider/stickier rubber - as above and even more confidence inspiring.
3. Ohlins suspension - firmer ride but very planted/stable - sport bike like - just heavier and taller. The ride is firmer! But not uncomfortable IMO.
4. Looks - the paint scheme is very special and attracts lots of attention - while I appreciate the occasional praise, I simple love opening the garage and seeing the bike there.
Final thoughts - if this will be your only bike and/or money is an issue, you have many other bikes to choose from. The Pikes Peak isn’t a practical choice but more of an emotional one. Given you have already enjoyed your current Multi for 26k miles and the warranty is almost over, your bike will become hard to sell for a decent price. Unfortunately, trading up will most likely be costly. I understand your dilemma. Perhaps a Ktm 1290 Super Adventure R is worth a look?
That is a lot of great information. I really appreciate it.
Well , my point of view . I found pretty fantastic the handlings of the V4S the way I use it. I mean, I am not an ultimate sports driver . I do speed, I do curves, but the v4s is totally perfect for the road, and I would say it covers more than I could use of for now . And the plus ( that's why I chose v4s and not pikes peak ) I could do some adventure roads and have extreme fun with that bike. I am always off the bike with a big smile .
I wouldn't choose a bike just for a truck or the ultimate handlings, which probably wouldn't need them cause I won't push my self to MY limits, not bikes . Every day, I discover that the v4s have more and more to give me .
Hope that helps ! Choose with your needs !
I´ve asked myself the same question. The pp looks so much better and is more sportier. I have always owned sports bikes before so the pp would have been closer to what i was already used to. But on the other hand I wanted the heated grips/ seat etc as I´m using my bike for commuting to work every day and long weekend trips. So I have decided to go for the v4s sport version. I think it all depends on what you will use the bike for. The pp will handle better but might be a bit less comfortable on longer trips. I also like the fact that i can do some light offroad if needed.
I agree. It is a more common sense decision.
Went straight for the pikes peak. Took deliver on 2nd sept went for 600mike service last weekend. No plan at all for offroad use period. Coming from Yamaha mT10 experience, I have always wished for a sport touring bike as next upgrade. Considered fjr1300, bmw gs, triumph tiger 900, 1200 before pokes peak.
To me pikes peak is a perfect all rounder. Early morning weekend ride with my mt10 were full of fun but wind blast made me feel like 150 miles were too long. With pikes peaks I don't miss the aggressive acceleration and handling but 230 odd Miles morning ride and back home for late lunch is amazing feeling. One thing I would echo what rest of the riders shared is pikes peak loves to corner like a sport bike. planning a one day smokey round trip over a weekend before it gets cold.
I live is Nashville area and struggled with the availability when I started looking for one. Finally Greensboro ducati arranged one for me. If the waiting is frustrating you I would recommend worth checking with Greensboro motorcyes NC. My experience was very positive.
All the best and keep sharing your videos.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us. I really appreciate it. I’m glad that you like it, I know my V4S is one of the best bikes I’ve ever owned. Going to the next level to the pikes peak is going to be the icing on the cake.
YES, YES, YES, that my answer to your question!! at the beginning of the video you just mentioned ups and downs but you really love the bike, so my question is why do you want to get rid of it??? I think you are just impress with the PP and want to get your hands on one,but I always told my friends I think is not worthy spend all that money for it, I am in mu way back home from a 10 days ride north east USA 14 states + Ontario and bow I live this bike twice as before, what a machine, more than 8 hrs a day on it, think about it my friend 👍👍👍
Mate, I ordered a pp in March of this year. It was to be delivered in Jan 23. I live in Australia. I have a 2019 1260s. The longer I waited the more I thought about justifying the 45 grand it was gonna cost me and my current bike is an absolute brilliant bike. So I made a decision to cancel the pp and put a full Termi exhaust system on my current bike. Feel so much more at ease about the decision.
As someone who has a PP I’m biased. The best compliment I can give is that I have no desire to even consider another bike.
Maybe you have a subscriber in the Florida area that has a v4PP that would let you ride his??
There’s an idea for a video 😜
Even if you have to travel a larger distance to do this it would be worth it.
If I had a v4PP I would let you ride mine for a day to help make your mind up 😎
Life is too short. You can’t take your money with you. Do what would make your heart sing. These are the things I will tell my wife when mine arrives. She may pop me into a shallow grave because of the PikesPeak price, but my cadaver will have a smile!
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I went directly for the PP... but the wait for it is brutal: the order was placed last November and it should be delivered middle to end of September. We have no end of twisty roads available and some of the roads in Schwarzwald (southern Germany) are perfect for the PP.
I have two other bikes that are great for solo riding (a BMW S1000R and a Panigale V2 Bayliss) but they are pretty much useless for riding longer than a couple hours as a couple. My PP will have the optional ducati cases and heated grips and the center stand is included in the package I added however I am not sure if I want to install the center stand... I did not get the heated seat and I probably won't ever need it, if the seat gets anywhere close to as warm as the seat on a Panigale V2 or V4.
I was offered a second hand PP a couple weeks ago but with the delivery date this close I decided to wait for my 0-mile bike
Enjoy it when you get it and please report to us in the comment section of any of my future videos
Get one! i got a Pikes peak , I love it! KTM 1390 gets better mileage has higher torque but Ducati rules take your extra off the multistrada you own and put them on your new pikes peak . Go for broke! if that's the way your ride .
I recently went through a similar "crisis" with my BMW and the new 1250GSA, ended up sticking to my old bike, since then, I've discovered a new passion for my old bike haha, so I'd say give it another couple of months and see how you feel :)
Thanks for sharing!
Hey Rambo, stick with the V4S mate, with the full exhaust system on it they will all hear you coming! I just cannot see the sense in buying the PP and taking a big hit on your current model. It’s not like you can use the power anyway! I can’t use all the power on my V4S
Dear Rembo, the question you have to answer first is "how do I use mostly my bike?". The PP is surely more sporty but this brings also limits in the versatility of the bike. I have tested the PP and on road is superior for all the reason you know, but if you use this bike for long travel, with passenger and panniers (full load) the sanders V4 remain the best choice. Do not even mention off road, this is a marketing view of V4, off road is another sport not for 230kg bikes come on..
In comparison, I think V4S is more versatility both commuting around town and long distance touring (because of 19 inches front wheel and wider hand bar). I would prefer to V4S.
I agree.
Keep your bike !!! I read a lot of mixed reviews of the pikes peak the suspension is much stiffer for the track others have traded the Pikes Peak back for there V-4S because of that. They claim the V-4S has a better ride for touring, I Love my V-4S .
Have you not considered a 17" conversion for the front, I did it to my 2017 R1200GS made a huge difference, KTM, Tiger boys all do the same, wheel from same manufacturer just need to sort axle n spacers, do you're research, is rear a 5" if so you should get decent 170,60,17 sports rubber.
I wonder if changing the size of the tires even possible due to the electronics
@@RemboUSMC As long as the percentage difference is in the prescribed tolerance the abs traction control are all ok, if not a different sized abs ring is called for a very easy mod been done loads of times have a read up.
Cheers Rembo.....I'd love one too, but, same as your thoughts.....what I have is excellent. Maybe next year Ducati might announce a base version of the PP without the carbon fibre and #1 decal....and with panniers and radar......maybe called a V4GT? After a certain price point, is any bike really worth more than what we've got in the V4S MS?
The PP would be worth the premium if it had a 200hp version of our V4, but it doesn't, so I'll let you off if you cancel your order and wait for Ducati to let us in on future plans for the V4 platform.
Sure it's only money, but.every time I think about fat rear tyres and SSSA's I am reminded just how stable my V4S MS is on wet slippery roadworks and how well it rides over bumpy crap roads....... 👍
I agree David!
All options are good here. I’d pay the $3k for the Akro exhaust and tune on your current V4S and add a warranty (if you want). The KTM will provide plenty of nimbleness when you want.
I would say keep the current bike - you will also be wanting to spend $ on upgrades to the KTM if you do many track days and you can add some nice Farkles to the multi to keep it interesting. The PP is way overpriced and you will see them used in 1-2 years if you still have a hankering. For that $$ you could also get a nice Indian or whatever if you want something different.
Hey Rembo, I will give you my experience with the Pikes Peak after 3 months of riding it. It was a really difficult decision for me to choose this bike as it is track/sport focused. I was attracted to the rear wheel single sided swing arm, fatter rear, and smaller front tires. What I gave up, which I regret, is enduro mode and any “assisted” ability to go off road. That was a miss on my part as I want to get into light off road. Unless someone is tracking their bike, I highly recommend staying with the V4S or go elsewhere. Stick with your bike in my view. You have the best mix of features. Go have fun on the 390 at the track so when you drop it, your not out $28k.
That is some very valuable information and I really appreciate it
I just took delivery of a Pikes Peak V4 after a year of owning a V4S. If you never ride off road it is a much better bike.
much better in comfort ? I dont think so
Much sharper on the road
I’d stick with the V4S, extend the warranty and continue to enjoy the versatility of this fantastic machine. The PP is not a daily commuter: it’s too track orientated. The V4S does it all and the ‘extra’ performance the PP gives you is of little value on the road. Buy this really is a first world ‘problem’ 😂😂. Stay safe.
not sure you'd want to change manufacturers, but the BMW s1000XR is an awesome bike , and it sounds like what you're looking for. plus you'd be saving 7-8 k versus the duc.
I have wrestled with your exact dilemma, and while each of us must make our own decisions based on our own “influencers”, here is what I decided and why. First, (and you’ve said you don’t face this influence), I actually take my V4s off-road just enough that I wanted to preserve that ability - I know that doesn’t factor so much for you. I also find myself on 3-5 hour rides a few times a month - so V4s wins there too. My great PP temptation is I'm surrounded by endless miles of literally-empty mountain twisties in Central Cal. Regardless those factors, however, much like you I started thinking, “When it comes to trade in value vs. adding things like heated grips, seats, panniers (which I also use frequently), I’m going to be shelling out about $12K to $14K to make the PP move”. My next thought was, “For only another $3-$4K, I could just keep the V4s and pick up a brand new Streetfighter V2 to add to the garage - which would probably be a helluva lot more fun in any circumstance where I might enjoy the edge a PP has over the V4s, and still comfortable enough for my gracefully-aging bones to actually ride for more than an hour at a time.” :) So, I’m just waiting to be able to test out the Streetfighter V2, but I have a strong feeling once I do I’lll have two lovely “daily driver” Ducati’s in the garage. Good luck making your decision!! :)
Excellent observations
Rembo,
You ABSOLUTELY made the right decision! For years, I was all caught up in the "Ducati Experience." However, today I'm sooooo over that. Still have a Desmosedici 16RR, 999R Xerox, Paul Smart, 1199R and a tricked out Scrambler Icon. Without question, I've lost more money on Ducati motorcycles than anything I've ever owned. They love to sell 'em to you, at or near MSRP, and "never heard of ya" when you want to trade 'em in on another Ducati. As one of the owners of a competitive dealership once told me, Ducati dealers don't even want to buy back used Ducatis. I'm older than you and my needs/wants may be slightly different than yours. I want a high quality, reliable, comfortable, preferably European brand, motorcycle when I head out on a long trip. Ducati no longer checks those boxes for me. You're going to have a ball at the track with your KTM. Spend all the money you want on that bike to make it EXACTLY like you want it. As the old saying goes...It's waaaay more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow." As you well know, it's all about cornering, NOT opening the throttle on a liter bike while going down a long straight, only to be passed by a better rider on an R6 in the next corner. I had a Ducati Pikes Peak 1200 back in the day. Great looking bike, but it was actually quite worthless. Horrid touring bike that I spent a fortune on trying make into a decent touring bike...center stand, heated grips, panniers, full Termignoni exhaust, different wind screen, etc. Once again, it was the most expensive Multistrada model in the lineup at the time. I left Ducati, joined BMW and have never looked back. I did buy a new '22 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro a year ago and it's a great little bike. Having said that, I just ordered a '23 BMW R1250GS, as I miss the maintenance free drive shaft for serious touring. I've had the GSA and loved the bigger gas tank, but I just didn't care for it. To me, the GS is more nimble. Also had an RT which has a 17" front/rear, but I didn't think it turned in as quickly/easily as my GS. I don't go off road, but just like adventure bikes. Having said that, I ditch the OEM tires and use sport touring tires, such as the Michelin Road 6. Hate to say I'm waving the white flag Rembo, but the 3 year warranty, great German quality, tons of great aftermarket parts by distributors such as Touratech, Wunderlich, Evotech, (read not being locked into buying most, if not all accessories from Ducati) not having to mess with a chain, BMW Owners Association, the ability to easily do most of the routine maintenance myself, if you enjoy doing so, great resale value, and the list goes on and on, that BMW offers has left me with no regrets. I still have a bunch of Ducati t-shirts, but I don't miss Ducati and/or the "Ducati Experience" even a little bit. Wish we could chat!
J.T., Sounds to me like your BMW experience was what the doctor ordered. I do like the BMW GS and spent some time on the R1200GS Adventure. Great for off road the on the road which is where most of my time will be, the MSV4S was a way better bike. I think Ducati really hit the mark with the MSV4 but still can't compete with the off-road capabilities of the GS. IMHO of course. Thank you for taking the time to share your story and thoughts.
@@RemboUSMC Bottom line...I'm just gettin' old! :) :) :) Keep up the great work on your CZcams channel!
GS is fine for cruising, I own one. But if you want to have fun, the wrong bike. Vibrations >5000 und snapping for air. MS opens other bike dimensions.
I've battled with the same questions...although I don't have a PP on order. After 12 months + on the V4s I was excited to hear about the release of the PP and contemplated a trade in. However I've questioned myself (usually while riding through the twisties) about why I'd want anything better than the V4s. I push myself (not the bike) to the limits on the V4s while knowing the bike has much more in it. Why would I spend the additional 15-20k (AUD) on the PP and feel exactly the same. I have zero complaints about the handling of the V4s, so it's difficult for me to understand how the PP would be so much better...although I'm sure a track day on both would help answer that. If the PP came out with 200HP+ then it might be worth the extra $$$s. But for a street bike I've decided the V4s is more than enough for me...although I might try and chase the extra 16HP with a QD Cat delete + tuning module in the very near future.
Also, If you do trade, why not keep the V4s panniers? Looking at the PP they have the same pannier brackets...surely they will fit???
I already decided that I would keep the panniers and engine guards before selling it.
That’s a tough one that unfortunately only you can answer. Would you truely be happy with your S if you keep it or would you be kicking yourself every time you saw a Pikes Peak.
My dealer talked me out of an S (twice) only because he knew I would eventually be getting a Pikes Peak (which I did) as soon as it became available.
I have never ridden any V4 multi other than my own so I can’t comment on the riding differences between the 2. Yes you would take a hit but you also got 26k miles of enjoyment out of it.
I am now 4Ok into mine (paid MSRP) with full exhaust, dry clutch, bags, heated accessories, lights and ……….
I do love it and I have zero regrets as this bike (like my previous 14 Pikes Peak) will be my primary rider for the next 7 to 10 years.
Getting a Pikes Peak over the S is quite the financial hit due to it not coming with bags and the heated accessories which is standard on the S. If you get plan on keeping the bike for a while I think you will be happy.
Fortunately whatever way you decide will still result in you having an awesome bike.
Great information
Motorcycle purchases are not logical and/or rational anyway. If you can afford it, why not. You only live once. Another option is sell it private party and pick up a pikes peak private party. That way you'll get more money for your bike and be able to pick up a pikes peak without the immediate depreciation/taxes/fees hit.
We don’t live in that world anymore sadly. If we did I would agree 100 %. Rembo, I say it ride and see how many miles you can get on a Multistrada - you could set an all time record, dude. Think on it!
That's prefect reasoning from a financial view point but will you keep thinking of the Pikes Peak ? If the answer is no, then yes stay with the V4s and ride out the depreciation until something even more compelling comes along.
I drove my 1260 Pike’s Peak for over two years, and I just got my V4 Pikes Peak. I drove the V 4S for a few days, and the PP is at another level. Best bike I ever rode, and I thought the 1260 was unbeatable.
Sono due moto quasi identiche, potrei comprendere se l’aggiornamento riguardasse la potenza oltre alla presunta maneggevolezza ma… di fatto, è il fattore “emotivo” che prende il sopravvento, il desiderio di avere qualcosa di esclusivo, che nel mondo reale non ha un riscontro, a parte il piacere degli sguardi d’invidia al semaforo ma… qualunque superbike, (Kawasaki ZX 10 R ad esempio), avrà sempre prestazioni superiori.
Possiedo una V4S Travel & Radar, ho valutato anche la Pikes Peak prima di procedere all’acquisto e… personalmente al tuo posto non la cambierei
pikes peak is for aggressive riding kinda supermoto and maintain a good speed. This is a biggest problem of a such high priced moto - people that really need this suspension, brakes, motor, clutch and electronics cannot buy it. But people that not interested in aggressive and sport riding can))
Why trade it? There are none used for sale so it would sell quickly and you’ll get more.
Why don’t you pick up your buddies PP if he is selling his for the Diavel.
Otherwise forget everything else, don’t stress it. If you can sleep at night without dreaming about the PP parked at your place keep your V4S.
If the PP keeps you awake at night, buy the PP and be done with it or you will never be happy with the “what if” scenario.
Can you out ride the 'S' ?
Sure the PP looks hot but for touring and general riding the 'S' has everything you need and put a sticker kit on it and black out some silver and a tinted sports screen and you will have a great looking bike . I wanted a PP until I did those cosmetic changes , not anymore .
I can run with the 1290 super dukes and Tuonos through the canyons with the 19 front and M9RR tyres .
Keep the 'S'
This reminds me of a discussion with a Nephew, he thought that it would be great to get a track oriented Lamborghini as an every day car, no air con, no ice, little sound deadening, so he could use it at track days. I pointed out to him that for over 90% of the time he was using the car he would be uncomfortable and on the track he would be enjoying himself but worried about crashing it. He ended up buying a vintage Alfa Romeo.
Common sense prevailed.
Why the monic of Rembo.. is it because you have a passing resemblance to Stallon?
So when I was in the Marine Corps, they combined the beginning of my first name with the last name of Rambo because back then with darker hair that’s who I looked like so you are absolutely correct. That was the nickname I was given and it just stuck with me
@@RemboUSMC Thought so and nice. Also I guessed it was the younger better looking Stallon, not the botox version now 👍
Tough decision. As much as I want you to get a pikes peak just so I can watch your review videos it really does not make much sense for the money. If you lived in the mountains and could ride great roads all the time it would probably be worth it. For South Florida it may be worth it to keep the current multi and put the full exhaust and have a separate bike. I live in Louisiana and have a V4S Sport with 18k miles on it and have had the same question. I do ride it a decent amount off road and like the 19” front wheel. If I lived in the mountains or out west where I could really do some good off roading I would get a true dual sport and a pikes peak. I think that would be the perfect combination. Good luck with the decision and ill be tuning in to see what you decide to do.
Love my v4pp its a great bike and handles awesome. Save the seats save the center stand save the heated grips and panners they work on the v4pp they did have demo rides on the pp but only in CA
Good to know!
I got my PP three months EARLY--someone must have cancelled. Coming from a 2019 KTM Superduke GT. I was thinking the SD GT does the job. it gets great reviews and and is a but of hidden secret. What would I be gaining? I quickly learned after we got the PP--the GT COULD work as a two-up tourer. But it aint no PP. I have also ridden the stock Multi V4 and owned several KTM adventures. But I ws tired of 19' wheels and would never traverse more than a gravel road ever. So the 17" was the thing I was set on. I will say the PP handled better on road than ANY motorcycle I have had or owned--I have owned 18 bikes in last 14 years--multiples at once. I like trying all these bikes! . The BEST handling--This is saying something as I still have a KTM Duke 890R in the garage--which is universally acclaimed a handler. never felt so confident--solo--or with with on real roads with the pavement flaws than the PP. Your friend trading back for a Diavel; I'll never understand. The GTwill whack that Diavel in every category--EXCEPT LOOKS. The GT has looks even owner can't quite love. But while trepidatious about getting rid a of a very good bike--the PP has exceeded the my expectations and the beat the GT in every category except the massive gut-punch torque of the KTM and fuel mileage. The confident handling is amazing. Can't put a price on it.
Great information. Thank you for sharing with our group.
I hope that this comment helps you:
I’ve test ridden both the Multi V4s and the PP, the PP steering feels a lot more like a Hypernaked motorcycle, it’s not as nimble as the V4s. The Multi V4s and the PP are completely different bikes, the position it’s different, it’s more race oriented. The handling of the PP it’s fully oriented to be ridden hard at the twisties, the handling it’s superior to the V4s when you’re riding fast because it’s more stable, but that also means that to turn with a more stable bike you need to apply a little more effort to make it turn. Also, the fueling of the PP its so aggressive, the throttle response it’s not similar to the V4s.
The suspension on the PP feels like it’s tuned to be raced at something like COTA, you feel that the suspension works better when you go 70MPH+ and honestly on the streets you’re not going to be doing that, that often. So it’s more logical and a better bike for the road the V4s, if you’re looking for a bike that works in almost any environment keep the V4s if you’re looking for a Hooligan “Tourer” get the PP, keep in mind that the PP it’s not lower that the V4s it’s actually taller, the suspension does not lowers as much as the V4s when you adjust the preload, keep in mind that.
Great information Hugo. Thank you for sharing with the group.
I also considered whether the swap to a Pikes Peak makes sense. But it remains basically the same engine and transmission. As a frequent driver with over 20k miles you are also constantly changing tires at the shop. It probably needs twice as many tires..😎That would annoy me the most😂😂😂 I decided against the swap because I only do a few track miles once or twice a year. But that's where the Pikes Peak is awesome! I also don't live in the mountains where I have a lot of tight turns, I would take the Pikes Peak there too. So I like to stay with my Multistrada v4s and ride about 5K Miles a year. Greetings from Berlin, Germany
Greetings Gronem Peter!
The problem is the Multistrada pikes peak is a great track bike but one mistake can run you thousands of dollars in repairs so it really depends on how deep your pockets are if you plan on writing it more exclusively on the racetrack and I know there's a few racetracks in Florida and Georgia then I would upgrade but if you're looking to write it more on the street then I would not sell your Multistrada and just upgrade little small things about it.
Just buy it! You won't regret it. I traded my 1260 for one, couldn't be happier
That is a major difference going from the 1260 to the MSV4 PP. I bet you are thrilled with that. Enjoy.
From somebody who’s been riding for 30 years…. Guess you answered the question yourself already :-). Keep what you’re happy with. Happens to be a lot of money and i believe for your usage your current bike fits perfectly. There’s supposedly always something better around the corner.
I wasn't even sure I wanted to take a crap, but then I did. It was so good. LOL you're ridiculous dude!
Thank you. You are way too kind.
Nobody needs nor the V4 nor the Pikes Peak. A question of desire. Waiting for your next video..
I cancelled my pikes peak for a couple of reasons, firstly V4s sport trade in after one year was awful and the cost to change to equivalent spec PP was 12k sterling!!
Since then I have spoken to the owner who has a pp and he said I should not have one as my riding is to and from work, holidays in Europe and general riding. He said the PP only wants to go left or right, it’s basically a comfortable sportsbike and the ohlins is firmer than the V4s and unless you are on great tarmac the V4s wins every time in the comfort stakes!
I do not regret cancelling 😊
Thank you for sharing.
id keep the v4s and wait another couple of years and trade it for a newer version of it..... v4s u have the best of both worlds
I think you really need to ride a pikes peak to know your own preference for sure. If you can't ride one new, maybe reach out to a friend or even a subscriber for test riding one?
I still can't get my hands on one.
@@RemboUSMC bummer 😕 if it was me, I would personally keep the v4s but I'm a filthy BMW rider 🤣
I prefer the V4S, the price for the extra performance on the Pikes Peak, I don’t think it is worth it. I love my V4S, it does everything for me
Many people share that opinion and I have to agree with you.
Hello Rembo Personally I think keeping the V4S is the best decision for you. PP will never do what V4S can give you for long trips. And if you change your V4S you can give me your QD exhaust......which will go very well on my V4S Sport ;-)😁
If you can afford both, why not? Personally, if you gave me the choice, I'd have the standard MTS, I can't see the point of the PP, why would you track the MTS? And you still have to pay out $£$ for the race pipes. The PP is really no better, it's Ducati's marketing that makes you think you need it, they make you think that your standard MTS is not quite as good, I almost fell for it, I felt I should have bought the PP but then when I broke it down the PP is no better than the V4 and infact, in some ways, it's worse unless you ride it to the track. The MTS V4 cannot be bettered even by the PP.
keep it. no need for the same bike just bc it's faster? id keep it if I were you and focus on your new Ktm or if you want to add a third bike maybe u should take a look at the scramblers? but getting the same bike and losing so much money just bc it's a little faster doesn't make any sense to me.
I'd get the V2S. Unless you plan on taking the PP to the track, then way overkill, IMO. Also, you live in Florida, so the flickable fun factor my not be relevant for your location. Decisions....
From what I understand there is a shortage of them right now I don’t know if it’s just the Pikes Peak were all the cars in general make an umbrella commodities making the rounds more so I would get rid of it now before that problem cracks itself like appreciates even more orders Cuba yet famous for having a multi-Strada with more miles than anyone else in the Guinness Book of World Records
Lol Rembo, I hope you figured out George was using talk to text, he handed it to me and I just hit send. Just re-read from last night’s send and just laughing how it decided to auto correct. It reminded me of playing Mad Libs in the backseat of the car during family vacays. Do you remember those? Fill in the space to see how the normal paragraph would read and it turned into something bonkers. Happy Saturday from Fort Worth
Wow. What a question. If you really love your V4S then keep it. You already have 20k miles on it and it will go 100K miles easily.
If your traded-in is 16K that's a 14K upgrade. For that amount of money, you can practically buy a 2023 Aprilia Tuono and have both.
P.s. Saw that I'm late responding. Enjoy your V4PP. I am but it's a 1260PP and I'm not trading it.
Great point!
Get it. It's only money. You basically have the best multistrada now. But if you love the super moto style pikes peak is the king of the mountain. I like the 1260s actually they are only 10k used and the same as the p.p. if you are concerned with comfort then yes you should get a GS The Old Man motorcycle you can ride
them for a thousand miles in one day but if you want to be the center of attention everywhere you go then you should get the Pikes Peak and be the king of the mountain go ride it up to the top of pikes Peak and take a selfie of your pretty face LOL I love you man keep up the good work
Great observations!! Thanks
Sounds like you need two bikes 🤔 ride the pike peak when it arrives and decide from there ?, you would get your money back on the new bike if you didn’t want it 👍good luck
That is a thought
The one thing no one has said so far is, focus on the race bike, not the street ride. Racing takes much more brain power and energy than street riding. When that bike comes, you should want, if not need, to spend hours feeling it out and learning more about race riding than you can imagine now; well, if you want to max out the KTM and you skills. My second point is, don't assume you are going to like the platinum tier bike over the gold tier bike. What's more, there are far too many questions about the real differences between the bikes to convince me the PP is a good deal. That is, for all the equipment options not available on the PP, especially for being on a near identical mid-frame, there has to be something far improved to want to change. Three, you are not so old you need to make this decision fast before you can't ride anymore. There is no rush to grab the platinum ride and you are not going to go faster down the road. You rode the Streetfighter, was the handling so much better wanted to change, no; at least from what I recall you said in the video. I'm so confused about the specs on these bikes the only way I could be happy with the choice is the ride them side-by-side. Last point, the loss in value of you current bike will probably plateau sooner than later. This means the extra miles will not cost you as much as the first miles. What's more, will the bike be worth more after the 36,000 mile service? I do not know what that service cost will be but, you might get a better deal selling it to a dealer before the service because the math may favor the dealer paying the wholesale service price and getting better profit when it sells. I know this is true for some other kinds of vehicles. You can ask about that. Oh, one last thought and question, if the bike order is not costing you anything then there is no pressure to decide. You could also discover the dealer will swing a deal to get you order back to give it to someone else. They may not be allow to do this. Good Luck
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and post them here.
@@RemboUSMC I was just watching another new review of the PP. The one thing I find confusing about the PP is the reduction of standard equipment and accessory options combined with a massive price jump. I can only barely guess the costs for some of the part changes but none of them come close to the total difference in prices. I fear a massive price gouge is behind the PP. As awesome as I want the PP to be, I fear I would be left with buyers remorse that will be felt a second time if I were to sell the bike. Please get a long test ride on a PP before purchasing one. I don't have enough understanding of the value of the semi-active suspension to know if it is worth $10,000.
I have some curiosity questions about you regular riding. What is your commute distance, what is the average duration and what is an average speed? If the PP is not a touring bike then what would a high end tour bike cost with comparable features? Would you enjoy such a bike for your regular rides? I'm guessing not but it seems likes a comparison question to ask.
Good Luck
@@MattTCfarm Thanks for asking Matt. My commute is just under 10 miles. Sometimes I skip the freeway and take A1A along the ocean with a 35mph speed limit which takes me about 20 minutes or so, sometimes longer. When I take the highway, I am only on it for about 5 miles and my time gets cut to about 15-17 minutes. Although I would love to have an Indian Pursuit set up for touring, I enjoy the aggressive engine of the MSV4S along with the more sportier feel and much better lean angle.
@@RemboUSMC If i recall correctly, you have about 25,000 miles on the current MSV4S so only a small portion is from work travel. I am trying to think through the logic of choosing the right bike for the right conditions and frankly you seem to be the ideal PP customer. I do suspect you could end up on a PP someday but only after getting the most value out of the current bike and a test drive to prove the PP is worth the money. One other unknown issue will be how your biking mind set might change after you get the race bike and use it. All the racing people I know get some sort of truck and trailer to haul any kind of race vehicle nd tools to tracks within 350 miles of where they live. Being on a long peninsula limits your options. Did you plan to ride the bike to the track? Do you know how often you will race? I just realized I have not scanned the other replies since I wrote my origianl so this maybe repetition. I also have been thinking about racing dirt and asphalt tracks but I am in Ohio where I have tracks close to me. I could pour a lot of money into racing, if I had the time. If you were going to become a street racer you would have kept the streetfighter.
@@MattTCfarm Thanks for sharing your thoughts Matt.
I have the V4S. I have ridden Pike’s Peak version.
Suspension V4S more plush. PP rides more like a sport bike. Noticeably lower than V4S. Feet are flat on the ground easily. (5’10”)
Not worth the PP if you already have V4S. Same engine and similar ride. With PP you will loose panniers, center stand, heated seats. With your trade you will probably loose $10K.
MotoCorsa in Portland, Oregon has demo bikes of every model. Come up here for a weekend and I will ride with you.
We have a 4 year unlimited mileage warranty in the UK why not in the USA
That is a great question. I wonder if that plays into the base prices? The UK is close to Italy and we may not have as much control over the quality of the US Ducati techs...?
Seems to me like not be able to test ride the PP is highly risky…. You know what you have with the V4S and you certainly have gotten a tremendous amount of miles. KEEP IT! You will lucky to get 15K on a trade
Good point!
Things don't make you happy. Experiences make you happy. I loved my hundreds of miles on the N.Cal coast.
Good to hear
Like the experience of riding the pinacle of perormance and safety. The amazing Pikes Peak experience! 😉 we know what he chose now.
You seems like a very smart man
Don’t listen to all the review and commercial
There is no big difference in performance between 19 inch and 17 inch
Maybe if you Valentino Rossi
You going to put $15,000 extra.
Keep the bike .
maybe you should show some loyalty to the bike
Excellent point!
Why not buy the used Pikes Peak off your friend?
It will be five or six months before the Pikes Peak arrives. & Your bikes warranty will have expired by then anyway. Plus you will be at 35000 miles and should be selling anyway.
He lives 4 hours away. We are trying to coodinate getting me on his Pikes Peak.
Great decision. Go test ride a 2013-14 PP used bike or even an S version and you will get the handling and sport bike feel you are desiring. They truly were the Multi in Multistrada. Keep your V4s. Save $15,000 and you will thank me. New bikes are just not worth the ever increasing prices when you can find the bike that fills the need just a few years back in time. A 1260 version is not the sporty version, not even the 2015 and newer. Their wheelbase is too long and they are touring bikes essentially. The older 1200s feel faster because they have better midrange power and feel. Their wheelbase is much shorter and the bike is very flickable compared to the V4s. You will notice it right away. The 2013-2014 S models have DSS, traction, control ABS and great feel. The engine is much quicker revving and energetic than the DVT 1200 engines. What you don’t get is Cruise Control, Lean sensitive ABS and your Dash is monochrome.
However Tune Boy offers software upgrades for Quick shifter and cruise control, plus tunable engine curves! Not to mention the 17” wheels single sided swingarm and a 190 rear tire! Oh yea, your gas mileage goes up to 42-47 mpg on the Multistrada 1200 GT version.