Ducati 2022 Multistrada Pikes Peak vs V4S (motorcycle comparison)
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- What is the difference between the Ducati Multistrada V4S Travel & Radar and the Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak? The new 2022 Ducati Multistrada Pikes Peak Version is very different from the regular Mulistrada Adventure Bike. This is a different animal altogether with an emphasis on racing and street riding.
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What would you buy for the money? The Ducati Multistrada V4S Travel & Radar or the Multistrada Pikes Peak?
V4S with spoked wheels and engine guards. More bike for less money.
Pikes Peak - every time!
I’m in the North. Pikes Peak for me. I still love the styling with the single sided swing arm. And that puts the smile on my face and helps me forget the extra $$$ coming out of my pocket! Of course I’m not taking this to the track. I have a Panigale for that. But because I’m getting up there in age, this will keep me (and my knees, back, hips, wrists) happy for those longer all weekend rides with my crew.
I think the touring pack is expensive because it is the aluminium pannier set. The plastic panniers are in the individual options packages.
Pikes peak for me!
My Pikes Peak delivered to me at the end of February greetings from Belgium
Enjoy and keep us informed!
I have one on order. When the original came out I was disappointed with the 19" front as I have CF wheels on my 2015 and wanted to swap them over. Plus the dual swing arm made that no go too. This one is exactly what this street oriented X-Race wanted. Adding heated grips, regular screen and hand guards for sure. Yes expensive, but after taking 40 lbs off my current I had no where to go with it really and the electronic Ohlins are simply awesome. So... old man with a fake knee bucket list bike found. Thanks for the vid! Stoked!
If like yourself Rembo you already have the V4S, and myself the V4S Sport. There's no real reason to lash out the huge amount to opt for this Pike's Peak version. OK so it's got Ohlins, carbon and a few pounds less in curb weight. Us Normal road rider won't feel any of the upgraded benefits, apart from the loss of funds from our bank accounts. If you're not a Multistrada owner then it may be tempting, but it's a big ask for this type of bike.
Beautiful paint scheme though 👌
Cheers Rembo for the videos 👍
Mille grazie, Rembo, for taking the time and comipling the data + transforming & delivering it as a YT video. ;). P.S. @10.40, talking about passenger seat - "you can probably skip that" :)))))).
prego!
Thx Rembo, great comparative!
Think is too much difference for the extra value, I would keep my V4S but let's wait for the full review of the PP to see if it is worth it.
Great comparison, thanks. I won't be changing mine.
Great video. I laughed at the gs part at the start. Subscribed !
Thank you for being here and commenting
Hi Rembo. Nice work on the video! I too have the MSV4S and have no interest in changing to the Pikes Peak. I think the V4S flat out rips, and I don’t need any more sportiness for the road. I do live in an area with lots of hills and twisty roads, and the MSV4S absolutely crushes everything. In terms of rider set up, the video published recently by Ducati states the Pikes Peak has pegs that are higher and further back, and the handle bars are lower. Which makes sense, given it is designed to be even more sporty. I like leg room, so the Pikes Peak is less appealing, to me. But I do find the bars on the V4S a little high for my tastes, and often use the cruise control to give my shoulders a rest. Thanks!
Great comparison! Thanks mate
Excellent! Very good Work. You really helped me.
Congratulations.
Glad I could help
Thanks for the info. I ordered a PP V4 after watching the video!
Enjoy!!
Great review, thanks Rembo
You are welcome
Great video. Thanks for keeping it real. I’ll stick with my V4S which won’t be seeing any track duty or dirt. You’re right about the 19” front wheel, it comes in handy on occasion.
Thanks for making this video, reviews I've found so far aren't really reviews just rambling "reviewers" on the bike haha. Nice to see a summary of the differences. I think they also moved the foot pegs and handlebar position slightly? Not a huge change I don't think though. This thing sure is expensive.
I have plenty of rambling videos if you want to watch...LOL
Excellent. Thank you, sir.
multistrada PP it’s awesome.
But the MTS V4S is more than enough and here in Colombia there are many offroad rides that couldn’t be visited on the PP.
Nice video👍
That’s the best breakdown I’ve heard on these two. I think the PP looks amazing but since I’m mostly using it to tour with my wife maybe the v4s is the one to get.
I would agree. The PP is overkill for your needs and not as feasible even if you can afford it
They had me at 17" and SSSA. They lost me at more sporty riding position, race mode, the big silly 1 on the livery and the price. Guess I'll be on my '17 1200S for a while longer. Nice work on the vid Rembo.
Thank you
Love my 2013 multi S. It’s been a great bike Diablo Rossi’s on. It looks like I’m going to buy a V4 soon. Thank you for the review. I’ve wanted a new one but won’t go for the big wheel. I live where the roads dictate longer suspension travel but riding off road on such a huge bike is not fun. You need 12” plus of travel to do that and very light weight.
I am 73” tall and like the roomier Multi. I don’t need any more heat as it is always hot here. The PP look too good !
The Pikes Peak is tempting.
Rembo. Get the Pikes Peak... you will love the 17 wheel on almost your 70% riding time. Cheers from Portugal.
I think you are right.
As always great video and cool Strat. If I had a V4s would I trade for the Pikes Peak? Most likely not.
However the reason I do not yet own a V4S is because I was waiting for the PP to arrive. Their was no doubt in my mind that this bike was going to be released (ok it may have been called something else but yea a 17 inch, SSSA, Ohlins was definitely on the way).
I will pay extra for the panniers and heated grips but don’t forget that some of the cost will be offset thru resale value.
I would stay with the regular V4S Sport with spoked wheels. I like the versatility what the 19 inch front end gives, it doesn't mean that I would go off road, but I would be at least capable to do it. The more equipment is just icing on the cake. That being sad, the Multistrada V4S is such an expensive bike, that I won't be able to afford it in my lifetime, unless something serious changes. It is still one of my favorite bikes out there along with the new Honda NT1100
Howdi Mr Rembo and viewers👍
Great post, well pitched, comprehensive comparison.
I’m in the same boat as you - I have a V4s “Full” (as they call the fully loaded version here in France), and was quite clear I’d be shifting to the Pikes Peak when they released it…….mostly because I wanted the single sided swingarm and Ohlins, and cos most of the roads in these parts are “canyons”. Since seeing the spec. I also like the carbon beak and paint scheme, though I’d prefer it without the number 1 in the white zone. Keep the white, but remove the number…..it’s too cheesy on a classy bike.
But like you, the additional cost of achieving the same spec as the V4s “Full” has made me ask some serious questions. Now if it came with the full race akropovic pipe, with the additional hp & torque, or if the engine was tweaked for more in race mode, then that’d be a whole new ball game. But it ain’t.
The last point I’d like to add is that having lived with the V4s and enjoying its looks (only difference to yours is I have the spoked wheels and carbon from mudguard), I now think the 17” front wheel looks odd and too small. It almost looks a little too “chopper” like, with too much air between the fender and the beak.
So, where I was 90/10 certain to switch, I’m rather thinking it’s 30/70 and in favour of keeping the V4s.
……all this might change when I see it though 😍
I think our thoughts are the same.
Hi there. I asked myself these same questions about the accessories /cost but I already order a v4 pikes peak anyway. I wanted a sport tourer and not a mostly adv bike as I don’t ride any dirt and would use something lighter if I did do dirt(desertX) I’ve been wanting this model since the new v4 was introduced and almost bought the previous , leftover that thankfully sold. I’m in California and live near lots of twisty mountain roads. I also do track days but I have a track bike already(it’s common to see $30-40K Ducatis on track as well) And will take my pikes peak to the track just for on site professional suspension tuning. I plan on adding a top case and heated grips, no need for side panniers as lane filtering is allowed here and I wouldn’t attempt this with side panniers.
Good one 👍
Thanks for the visit
I only do road touring and twisties, Pikes Peak for me, plus it looks much better and feels like you have something a bit special. Plus, I would trash / rip it like any other bike. I see many pikes peak with low miles, people are afraid to use the bike or something. I would tour on it, twisties, everyday riding. I don't do offroad, I just want something comfort and precise.
Having owned a 2015 MTS 1200S and now ride a 2023 MTS V2S I prefer the 17” front wheel. I don’t think I would spend over $30K on a motorcycle but would love to get my hands on one for a test ride. Great points and appreciate your perspective.
Fair enough!
Picking up my V4s Travel and radar tomorrow,
wasn't tempted by the PP apart for the 17" front tire,
I wanted a allrounder.
Hi , as soon as i read the spec on the PP i was sure go for the regular v4 s sport verison . Reasons : 1 , no more power 2 , not lower seat hight 3 , not sky hook suspention (i am not sure if i understand it correctly , but i think you can not set the suspention on the ohlins on the fly ? ) 4 , too big difference in price . Regards Per
Nice video and totally not worth it for me to switch especially when they didn't tune the engine to deliver more horsepower or give a engine from the sport bike class motorcycles they have, I personally love the Ducati Multistrada V4S & staying with that. Go Ducati and everyone ride safe 🙏
Fair enough! Thanks for posting.
I'm picking up a pikes peak shortly. At the end of the day, it's a ducati. You can't pinch pennies. Supurt your brand if you really like Ducati. They have to make money to give us new cool toys. It's just money. It's not intended to be a frugal option. Just like any exotic car, you pay a premium. I almost picked up a Larimie 3500 Ram but last minute opted for a Limited. Once the soreness of saving a few grand has worn off you may want those extras that are now out of reach. I hate to say it but in the spirit of one upsmanship, those small details matter. For me, the si gle sided swing arm alone is worth it. Everything else is a bonus. Especially going from a superduke to A v4s and a multistrada, that is the move. Imo those small differences are a big deal. You have to ride it everyday or...frequently. it's also noteworthy that I live in Colorado Springs and Pikes Peak is in 70% of pictures taken in the springs. I digress. It's not intended for everyone to have. There is a prestige to any special edition. Not all will understand. If they offer a higher edition, take it. You only live once.
I drove the multistrada 1260GT and the new multistrada and I liked the handeling because off the 17 inch wheel tyres more than the new model. And I know how good the ohlins suspension is from the SP fireblade. So I really think when you have a sportief driving style the new pikes peak is a lot better. But when you are not a racer kind of guy. You can safe a lot off money and buy the normal V4s multistrada.
Interesting.. i got s Hyper SP and probably the PP MSV4 is the only bike I’d consider
I was looking at getting the V4S next spring. I test drove the V4S and would love to have the option for a slightly stiffer suspension. With the release of the Pikes Peak I am back to square one on choosing the right bike. I am undecided about the 19" vs 17" front tire. I ride a lot in the Swiss alps where the 17" is ideal, but I also tour through Italy where the back and twisty roads are often in terrible condition where the 19" would be nice.
One of the things I really like about the PP is the adjusted foot pegs. I am used a high foot peg from my S1000R. It would also be interesting to directly compare the two just to see if the changes in geometry and suspension really makes that much of a difference on the roads I ride.
I have compared several options for my touring bike such as the Kawa Versys 1000SE, the BMW R1250GS and the BMW S1000XR and I was not happy with any of them. Versys ride felt uncontrolled and way too soft in tight corners, S1000XR has the most uncomfortable seat ever and I kept bumping my shins into the boxer of the GS. I had none of those with the V4S.
Of course Ducati would have to tempt me with another option:"Psst! We know you would like the V4S but look what we just came up with...". 2022 is going to be a very expensive year... at least the options (cases, heated grips and seats, etc) aren't quite as expensive in Switzerland as they are in the US
Great comment 😃👍 agree with you fully regarding the shins on the GS…..and I also found the engine a bit flat when riding with a bit more spirit.
I’m heading through the Alps from The Var in France to Berchtesgaden once the weather breaks again, and whilst I’ve done the Como/Mont Blanc/Gotthard routes, I’m wondering if there’s a more spectacular one you’d recommend?
@@alanprice9938 There are so many breathtaking routes. Some of my favorites are: Grimsel, Furka, Susten, Nufenen, Oberalp and if you can tour during the week I highly recommend the Pragelpass (closed on weekends for all motor vehicles) and if you love fast curves through hill side scenery Schwarzwald (Germany) is an absolute must. In Italy I totally fell in love with the twisty and challenging back roads between Genova and La Spezia (not the main roads... but anything between the ocean and 50km north of it)
Thank you so much 👍 I’ll give those a scan and see which I can best hook up into the route. I’ve tended to avoid Genova due to the endless tunnel bridge tunnel bridge strobe effect of the autostrada, being so tiring, and of course the major bridge collapse, but it makes sense that the smaller roads could be far more appealing.
Very Good Points. As a panigale Rider Living Next to Schwarzwald in Germany the pikes Peak would be the only „Touring“ bike i would sell My beloved panigale for. Trackdays? No prob. Touring in alps ? No prob. Everyday use Riding to work?
The ultimate Tool for Every use for ex-supersport Drivers! Love it ….
5:23 Ive hit that on the 21 Multi coming in hot on a right hand just prior to getting on the highway. I startled myself cause I tossed it so hard to the ground. I found its limit.
I just traded my 20 V4S Pani for the 21 Multi. I love the bike, I can only have one. Ive taken the thing camping, many off road tracks, long distance trips. Its fantastic. I wanted to take it to the track but tires are limited. Then this thing comes out. FRAK, now I have to trade up next year. I HAVE TO!!!!!
LOL and yea i run from the cops all the time on the Multi. It does it well. Vmax for me is 140mph on level ground due to weight so on the highway its not nearly as good as the Pani. But in the city. I bet I could dust myself on the Multi vs the Pani. Its a fantastic ride.
Right on!
Ugh yea after watching your recap im now meh...i wonder if i can just swap front wheels and call it a day.
I bought a R1250GSA, now that I know where and when I am riding I want a Pikes Peak as well (almost bought one originally). I'm glad I bought the GSA first though.
Good choice!
I’ve ordered a PP the only negative is the price but as I would only require the heated grips as an extra the price is fair . By the way the riding position is different as the bars are lower and the pegs are slightly higher and a little further back 💁🏿♂️
I love my 4VS, and i have a Streetfighter V4S for my more spirited riding! :-) The Multi V4S is way more versatile for my needs, as i plan to go to Alaska next year..
Enjoy Alaska!
@@RemboUSMC thx Mate!
I have a V4S Sport that I'm looking to chuck in against a PP. I'm going to make the change.
Well, you definitely have a point there!!!
Preface with the fact I have not ridden the PP, but All in all I'd probably stay w the V4S. I like the 19" for off road , and bumpy, pot holes on public roads (also debris in the roads). With respect to the ride modes I would probably use endure more than race. The only thing about race is the rev limit is raised and you can over rev on down shifts on a track. So, still remains to be seen pending a ride on the PP. I think it would be definite advantage to the riders community to see what your perception is having ridden the V4s so many miles.
I am on the fence because I was eagerly awaiting the Pikes Peak but the price and loss of standard items on the V4S are missing is a major issue.
Seems like a good competitor to the S1000XR, but you can find used low miles 2020-2021 S1000XRs for $17-$18kish or a KTM 1290 Super Adventure S or Super Duke GT for $14Kish. I think the price makes it the most expensive production bike (MSRP) from a major manufacturer on the market.
That is my concern. I agree that the S1000XR is a great bike for significantly less money.
I am in agreement with changing out an existing V4S for the PP, but what if buying either for the first time? I would like to mention this isn't a complete comparison of the two. The items the PP comes with aren't mentioned and in some cases can't be upgraded - custom pillion, carbon fiber beak (looks amazing), carbon front mud guard, forged wheels, Online suspension (mentioned). You would need to start with the V4S Full which is $27,945. that gets the same exhaust and similar carbon mud guard. Add the missing parts to the PP and it is $31,362. So is the custom paint, sssa, forged wheels, lighter weight, carbon beak, Ohlins, panigale brake pads, and custom seat worth $3400? I should think so. But I still wouldn't trade one for the other.
I will be in the market for a new bike this coming spring. Interested in the Multistada V4 and the GS 1250. The GS has a slight nod because there is a dealer (Max) 10 minutes from my house. Nearest Ducati dealer is 2 hours. The Pikes Peak could change my mind! But, $30 grand is a big chunk of change! There is talk of BMW coming out with a M spec GS 1300. Hopefully by sparing there will be more info.
Let us know what bike you choose.
@@RemboUSMC Will do. Right now I have a 2004 998sFE. Love that bike but not good for long journey's.
Let me begin by saying that I like this new Pikes Peak model. It comes with everything on my wish lists: electronic Ohlins, forged wheels, SSSA, 17" front tires, sport tires and then some. However, I can't justify trading my (fully equipped) 1260 Pikes Peak that only has 15,000 kms on the clock. Moreover, my season is also shared with a Monster 1200R that has 17,000 kms on it's clock. Notwithstanding, I may consider trading the Monster for a Panigale V4.
Hi rembo thanks for the video
what about the Ktm Super adventure and save some proper dollars🤷🏻♂️
It is certainly worth a look, especially the price point.
Not sure if he mentioned that the PP also comes with forged Marchesini wheels. I currently have a 2018 Multi 1260S. It goes to the track 3x a year. It’s amazing on the track. I’ll be looking at a used V4 PP in about 5 years or so. :)
Smart move. I may wait too.
I think everyone's reason for a particular bike is going to be different. I previously owned a 2011 Multistrada, which I loved, and wanted it again. I wanted the "Cadillac" version, so the V4S with nearly every option except carbon fiber parts (which don't do anything for me). I don't use the Sport mode at all, and once I get a set of Enduro tires, I'll start to make use of that mode. It really wouldn't make sense for me to trade Enduro for Race, and spend all that extra just to do it. Though I don't think any bike is perfect, I'm fairly well satisfied with my V4S.
Much as I love the look etc of the PP I’ll be keeping my full sport with full system I just could not justify such a jump in price when mine is such an amazing all round fun bike.
I’m intrigued by the full system. Did it make a significant difference? I know it’s a bit lighter and a bit louder, with a bit more grunt through the mid range, but would you say it was worth the extra couple $grand?
I think this is the question that has yet to be answered because it is so subjective.
@@alanprice9938 difficult to answer as it was installed before I received the bike, but the sound is amazing and the power so smooth and grunty, no bog down at all just linear power, very addictive.
Well, yer using all the right words to convince me 😃😃
The air box sound is quite appealing in its own right ain’t it, but I do find the standard akro end box a little lacking in “occasion”……. So maybe I should add the full system.
I have a 1260 pikes peak multi and ride the v4s multi and found it really impressive, but there is too much off-road stuff for a on road bike. The pikes peak v4 focus more as a road bike just ordered one delivery February
Enjoy!!
The Pikes Peak version is literally everything I want in a motorcycle, but here in Australia it's going to start at $45,000. The V4S is about $36,000. I can't justify paying that much more.
For that matter, I can't justify a Multistrada at all right now, as much as I want one - we're saving up for a house. I do want one, though. Esp one with Ohlins suspension, a single sided swingarm, and a 17" front wheel.
I hear you. It does not make financial sense based on competition and other bikes. I can get a $10,000 track bike and a nice $20,000 touring bike and have two for the money
Great comparison, I've got nothing against the PP, but I'm not jealous of people with a PP. I have the V4 and they are essentially the same thing, the PP isn't really 'better' in my opinion, Ducati haven't made the PP better than the V4S for the road, the PP is more track/race focussed, it's a few Kg lighter, has a racey front smaller wheel but still needs the Akrapovic race system @ over £2k the race mode is just a variation on a theme, it's SPORT mode with everything turned off. it's not really faster, it turns better, but better on the roads? maybe not and the po-po may pull you over more often, I like my V4S stock, I don't like all the racey add-ons and the dry clutch is a bit of a gimmick, it sounds good on the old Ducs. I'd say, if you're gonna ride to the track a lot get the PP, if you're not going to track it that often then the V4S and save money for fuel. You're also into buying race specific tyres as you're going to track it, and you really don't want to use those on our roads which have more nails and screws than the back of a tradies van.
I love the absolute crap out of my V4S, it's absolutely fcucking brilliant, If I had the $£ I really don't think I'd have the PP, I wouldn't get the use out of the differences as I wouldn't track it that often, and I think the way I would use it the differences would be to race specific for the road. Trouble is, you just want to nail it everywhere and you have to make sure you're within range of a petrol station with the 98RON, I'll only ever sell it for the next MS! If I had the money, I would probably have a V4S with the Akrapovic race system and then have a dedicated race/track bike, I don't really think the PP is right for the track. But again, if you've got the $$$ then who cares?
Excellent observations. Thank you for taking the time to reply with your thoughts. I have to agree with you. With that said,........I have a Ducati Multistrada V4 PP on order..
The V4s seems like the better value so I’d go with that!
I would agree
So he did not touch on - Ducati race exhaust - drops apprx. 5.2kg and gives an upgraded ecu map and adds approx 9-10hp. The Pikes has learning suspension not just modes. But his review is fantastic. Foot pegs are about half an inch higher and further back. Bars are approx. one third inch further back....not sure I would feel a difference.
I am so glad you went through this in great detail. ThenPikes Peak version was just a trim update and who is Ohlins to demand so much more money than other competitors who offer the same functionality. It used to be a trade off for the Pikes Peak version. You loose the center stand and a few other bits like Skyhook but gain manual Ohlins suspenders. Wheels and tires are also swapped out. I think the bike is over priced to begin with. Your talking 50-75% of a family SUV cost now. Talk about loosing marketability.
I agree. They must have a specific demographic in mind for the Pikes Peak.
In your sitcon trading the V4S for the PP is if you want. We all have different priorities and needs in a bike. Because you commute, you should trade maybe every two years anyway maximum.
Me I did buy a 2014 MS1200 GT. With 1700 miles. It fits my touring needs and style. I created a list of needs to pick the correct MS for me. The following are what put the 14GT on the top of the list.
1. Large saddlebags
2. Trunk
3. Luggage rack
4. Larger shield
5. Heated grips
6. Stability Control
7. Dynamic Suspension
8. Auxiliary lights
9. Engine guards
10 riding modes
11. 17” front wheel
Some other MS1200s had these but the GT came standard so I searched nationwide. Two bikes made the cut at
I think it's all in one, you can go touring with it and race at any circuit you like at the same time, I guess you can enjoy it even it's the only bike you've got
Do you think the cost factor will deter some from taking it to the track?
@@RemboUSMC I think with this bike ducati aim for specific kind of costumers
Ducati appear to have updated the packages - the $2750 is for the aluminum touring pack, the standard pannier touring pack is $1400.
Thanks for the update. Looks like they caught their mistake.
you are golden. What you hace said is just honest. I own The V4s i toured in sicily and cloked 5k. no comlaints at all. I would have not bought the pikes peak even if I had the option to do so when bought mine. I am. not a racer and i am never gonna go on track, So pikes peak is not my option.
Thanks for sharing! Great perspective
@Rembo Would love to see you review the '22 GSX S1000GT.
I have to wait for a special test riding day because that particular dealer around here does not allow test rides
My plan is get the v4s and add the racing exhaust and still be under the price of the pikes peak
PP is a sport motorbike to be used only in street and not in offroad. The V4S is a more a versatile motorbike, for adventure and for all types use and is very good in offroad too and for adventure. The V4S is a total motorbike. So I keep riding my wonderful V4S
I agree!
I cant believe the wheelbase is longer. It makes no sense on a full on sport version.
I'd buy the V4S again, its more suitable for my riding. The new PP is way over priced IMO, people will buy it for the Oehlins suspension, the 17" front and wider rear tire. They would tell you for better handling - sure whatever turns your crank. I'll bet they have a nice markup in the PP, it would make a great track weapon for the affluent though.
I agree with everything in your post
You'll never have a track weapon with that kind of weight. You can find greater track weapons for less than the full Akra system. Seems people forgot Ducati was about to run a SFV4 at Pikes Peak, not a Multi.
@@JeanOi for the average rider that hits the track every now and then I would think a PP is a good tool. Unless a rider hits the track every weekend, attended various racing schools and so forth, you will never get the max out of a Panigale or SFV4 - not even close. If you are over six feet and old AF you will have a hard time on a Pani or SF anyway.
@@thor8640 For the average rider that goes every now and then to the track, the limiting factor is the rider, in which case even the current Multi V4S and its controversial 19" front wheel will do great. I fail to see a scenario in which the PP belongs to the track, or fits any track rider profile, beginner to pro.
For me the Multi V4 Pikes Peak is a pure marketing exercice, nothing more. The targeted audience is the folks who can't get satisfied with the V4 or the V4S, they have to have to PP. You will likely see all those PP listed next year, as "never tracked" when Ducati releases a Multi V4 SP with BST wheels.
I am actually debating if I am keeping my tuono v4 and adding a second bike or sell the tuono and get a multi PP cause my wife cant ride on the back of the tuono anymore and I dont want to loose the sport riding side of the tuono so if I only go to one bike the PP could do the job I think
I have decided that I will never be taking another pillion on the back of my bike. The multi-Strada is just a little bit too high to feel comfortable like when I had a pillion on my cruiser. Not sure if that feedback helps.
@@RemboUSMC well thats my other option keep the Tuono and get a cruiser for 2 up/relax rides
@@RemboUSMC I can’t get my wife to ride on the back of any of the Multi’s because of the seating position. So, I have a Streetfighter V4S for solo riding and a Diavel 1200s for two-up riding which she loves.
@@jsgiroux A good combo for me has been the Streetfighter V4S for solo riding and a Diavel 1200s for two-up riding- the wife does not like riding on the back of the Multi - too high she says and it doesn’t “look cool” like the Diavel.
Whilst I’m on here, does anyone else feel the V4s could benefit from a 7th gear or a taller 6th?
To me it would just be that bit happier on long runs if it sat 1000 or 1500 revs lower at 80mph.
I’m sure the engine has the torque to handle it nicely and who goes beyond 5th when carving canyons?
That is an interesting take. I can tell you the the V4S seems to be a bit happier at the higher revs however.
I was considering the Pikes peak to replace my V4S , but...
Hi. Is there an app showing the lean angle on the V4S?
Not on the bike but there are apps out there.
You mention your lean angle is >30 degrees. How do you know your lean angle? Do you use a phone app?
On an app I’ve done 37 deg but the MSV4 is capable of 52
If you're going to track the MS then the PP, if not, I wouldn't really bother unless you have the $$$ and want the best.
Great analysis, thanks! First, I absolutely love the new Pikes Peak and I’ve already thrown enough customization onto my V4s that it’s sitting above the acquisition costs of the Pikes Peak with all the add-on’s you mention - so it’s not really a question of cost-comparisons for me so much as use-cases. I’m blessed to live near hours of empty canyon roads, and work in a few days a year of track riding - so there is admittedly appeal in the setup of the Pikes Peak. But - many of those same twisty canyon roads are in questionable repair, some so filled with potholes that I actually shift into Urban mode on some stretches for the necessary added traction/controls - that’s the “real world” of canyon twisties I suspect for most (i.e, the real world isn’t a nicely maintained race circuit). And I can and often do hit 45-degree lean angles on the V4s - it suffers nothing in terms of being able to throw it from side-to-side so I don’t feel like I’m missing anything performance-wise on real roads just because I have a 19-inch front. In the final analysis for me, my work frequently dictates I’m out on heavily rutted, mountainous dirt roads where I absolutely require the spoked wheels and 19-inch front, so the Pikes Peak just isn’t an option for my lifestyle and riding requirements. That said, its a beautiful piece of machinery and I’d definitely love to take one out for a spin sometime!
The V4 Multi is definitely the bike for you based on the descriptions of the roads you travel. that 19" front wheel suits you well.
That makes a lot of sense to keep the V4s. I haven’t fully scrubbed the sissy strips on the sides of my tyres on the V4s yet, so am I really gonna benefit from a 17” front wheel? Unlikely.
Wonder how different the ohlins will make the bike feel? I think if I change then it’ll be that I’ve succumbed to the bling 😃
@@alanprice9938 That sure is some tempting bling though, right? :)
@@2BWiley2 yeah, it really is 😃
I really want the single side swingarm, ohlins shocks, and the paint job.
I’m guessing the real decision will be made when I see one….. if they threw in the full system pipe, then it would be decision made already
I stretched for the MSV4 and it's my second one in 7 years. There is no way I could justify almost 35K including taxes here in California for this bike. Can I afford the money, yes. Do I want to look stupid in the mirror, no. If your numbers are right somebody in Italy is looking at the wrong spreadsheet. I actually thought about trading in my new V4 for the Pikes. Not now.
You are not the only one who has been rethinking the swap to the PIkes Peak. Apparently there are a few of us.
If you want tackle the curves with knee and elbow touching the di ground, buy a PP. Personally I prefer 19” on the front, if I want to go offroad . I have a 1260 and those tires are not build for heavy rocks and gravel !
I think if you want one you’ll buy it ,I have a new v4 sport ,which I love ,so I’ll have this conversation next year 🥴
I'm guessing the accessories kit is not priced incorrectly or by accident. Shopping for a large-ish family taught me long ago that buying in bulk or in kit form, is not always the best pricing by any means. For instance, a six pack of Coors Light can be $5.99, and a case of 24 cans might me $25.99. This pricing is for people too lazy to do the math.
So, I have a first generation Multistrada and would never buy the PP edition. Way too advanced for me and expensive as well...Ive found some v4s with between 100 to 300 miles at $21,999. I'm also debating on waiting for the Desert X. So, either Multistrada v4s or Desert X for me...
Makes sense to me.
its worth it everywhere but florida
IMHO the extras you have on your v4s will fit your Pikes Peak move em over to the PP
yeah, we have to travel just to get to mediocre twisties
Think the PP also has a full system exhaust?
No, it can't due to emission compliance. They are asking $3,200 for the exhaust as an extra.
@@RemboUSMC yup, its really exp…. I believe the brakes also have some enhancements and have the same setup as Pinnagale in terms of pads etc.
I’ll take the V4s and a cheap GSXR750 for the track
Great choices
+1
Package is for alloy panniers
Ok, the wait is over. If the Pikes Peak had 200bhp I would buy it. But at the current state I will go with V4S
That seems to be the overwhelming sentiment. I think this will be a more boutique bike with less sales than the V4S Travel & Radar. Just too expensive.
For me the Pikes Peak is business - it was in 2012 and 2013 (which I still own) - all the light weight goodies. The subsequent models did not have the same top specs - which was very disappointing - They seemed to just have a different paint scheme! I would choose the Pikes Peak any day of the week - I would just need to plan a bank robbery or something! ;)
For me, the v4 pikes peak it's not an upgrade or downgrade compared to the v4s performance. In terms of track the pikes peak would be faster but you can still go on a track with a normal v4s idk why would you take a multistrada if you really want a track bike if not only for some rare occasions of track days. But in off road terms the v4s with it s double swing arm is very good which the pikes peak only has one and you can t do the same off road as well with the smaller front wheel. And something not a lot of people consider, in my opinion the fact that the v4s has a double swing arm it's very good and makes it very stable. In my opinion both bikes are great and depends what would you like more but only for some rare occasions of track days i would choose v4s performance and i have my hyper for that crazy fun . Also the suspension on pikes peak i m sure it s better for track but you can make the normal one hard too and it's ok for sporty riding or even crazy riding. Still crazy bikes !!! Ducati Power !!!
Excellent observation. Thank you for sharing with us.
I don’t see why you need to be careful re 1250GS. I own one, and I think the Duc is an excellent bike also.
I have no idea what this motorcycle is good for. The technology is fantastic and the appearance is great except for the number "1". The Skyhook suspension is already quite good. The Ohlins would only be worthwhile on a track. I would like the PP wheels on my MS. The horrible fuel economy doesn't make it a good touring motorcycle. If you are not going to tour, the Streetfighter is a better choice. It isn't good for off road. It is too heavy and expensive for the track. I love the single side swingarm. For me the 2020 Multistrada S is a much better choice. It is great for touring and can go off road. The V4 engine is marvelous, but it doesn't make significantly more power; and the power is more useable on the twin. The V4S is great competition for BMW. I met a group of Ducati riders in Santa Fe. For a 200 mi ride, most needed fuel twice while I did not need fuel until I finished the ride. It is no fun getting gasoline while waiting for a group to get fuel. I refuse to sacrifice fuel economy.
Excellent observations and info. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
What is the seat height of pikes peak.
That is a completely personal choice
@@RemboUSMC Thanks for your response. I want to know the seat height because I am a short rider and cannot ride tall motorcycles. I am 163 cms and want to know if the seat height is accessible for me. Thanks
@Yugesh Bhatia the standard seat height is the same (840-870 adjustable) as the V4s. The V4S lowers itself for 2022 like the Harley but I haven't read how much it lowers.
Having the Multistrada V4S make it easier to say no to the Pike, don’t have a V4S it much difficult not to resist buying the Pike. Honestly If I knew the Pike was coming out I would have waited only because of the Ohlins.
That is a really great way to sum it up.
I would never ride hard enough on the street to make use of the Pikes Peak's potential. So the V4S would probably be my choice. Not that it matters but I think the 19" wheel looks better.
Excellent point.
Time just slowed to a crawl. Deposit paid and waiting has begun.
Oh I know that feeling.
Mine not delivery yet
Which one? I bet you can't wait no matter which one it is.
PP^^
mine today: 30000 miles 2012 Pikes Peak, I am not a day to day rider.
192 kg dry weight. 30 kgs less than v4.
same fuel consumption, where is the 10 year progress?
V4 PP more sporty? will have to be seen.
in 2012 it cost 21000€, had the single arm at the rear, 17 inch wheels, Termi, carbon screen but, guess what, the 280€ heated grips and 600€ panniers were extra. sum: 22000€, oh, it had hand protections for free!!
At the time it was 20% more than the normal S. It was slimmer and had finer looks than the 2022 PP, my view.
Now to the choice:
Trading in my bike will return 6 to 8000€, it will hence cost me nearly 25000€ for the upgrade.
Worth it?
isn't it as with I-Phones: until 3 months ago I had a 5S (2014!!) You could phone, internet and take pictures. So can my new 12. It does all better. I changed it because the battery was dying and software upgrades were finished.
It's the same with motor vehicles. After 10 years, there will be technical issues and and spare parts will be hard to come by.
coming back to the choice:
25000€ difference to get a bike that on back roads will not be more fun (you don't need radar or selfcentering something electronics when you do not ride freeways) - hmmh
is new always better? what will we say in 2 years when the novelty has worn off? many PP riders still regret their 2012. so wait again for the next generation? - hmmh
finally does the decision not just come down to emotions, pure and simple??
All well said. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
If I didnt have a Multi V4S already, I would probably be the typical Ducati customer and pay for the Pikes Peak. However, I would do so mostly for the bling, acknowledging that the Multi V4 was born as a touring bike first and foremost, and pretenting otherwise is just falling for Ducati's marketing bs. All the reviewers and journalist will fall for it, but you can bet none of them will ever buy one.
From the comments I read here and there, it seems most people are expecting this PP to be a Panigale V4 on stilts, it is not. And usually those people have no experience on the Multi V4 at all.
I will not do the switch. The price gap to keep the same level of equipement is too big. And I would rather keep my Enduro mode for the occasional off-road ride than putting slicks on a tourer and pretend it has any sort of potential on a track.
If money were no object I would have both but it is an object and the price difference is too much.
PP is beautiful but it could have about + 20 hp ✊🏻
I'm not a Ducati guy, but I like the concept of the Pikes Peak. It really is, what I'm looking for, but... I live in Austria and the price of the Pikes Peak here will be aprox. 33.000,00 € (40.500,00 $) which is really too much. This is almost the price of the Goldwing here. I think this bike is overpriced... A lot... I would buy it for the price of V4 sport version but this is 3.000,00€ more.
Cheaper in USA than Spain or rest of Europe
Hi! V4s is more universal
Agree
PP has a great specification. But it cannot catch the Panigale v4s on the track. So in my conclusion multistrada v4s will be more effective and sufficient bike in Ducati adventure. What I expect in Ducati world primere model is not the PP but the Panigale v4s facelift coming soon.
Say it again, the PP never catch the panigale superbike ever on the track.
In adventure genre, BMW (r1250gs adv.) never make a super charger r1250gs adv. at all.
I totally agree that the PP will never catch the Panigale. Two completely different bikes. One if for long distance trips and fun on the track, the other is race oriented and much lighter.
@@RemboUSMC Thanks for your reply. If the pp has a 207hp engine like panigale I will buy the pp. But same engine I prefer the mts v4s. :)
lol on paiper is 170 HP not 150 HP
This is gonna sound really lame, and hardly the words of a ruffty tuffty biker……. But……. I was just chatting to my wife about whether we should switch the V4s for the Pikes Peak. Cos hey, summer is coming in the northern hemisphere 😃👍.
We looked at the pictures and the vids (she doesn’t care about the Ohlins or single side swing arm), and she’s firmly of the opinion that the 19” front wheel makes the bike look better, and that the no. 1 is “naff”.
I begrudgingly think she’s right.
Not lame at all. Truthful. Thank you for sharing.