Creality Ender-3... it's time to move on.
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The ender 3 has been a go to recommendation for the "best budget 3D Printer" for the past 5 years, but it's time to move on. If you're new to 3D Printing, consider making your experience a better one by going with a machine that has the following features:
- Automatic bed levelling
- Filament run-out detection
- Filament clog detection
- Wifi connectivity
- Spagetti detection
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Cant beat the ender3… when it’s f*ck*ng working
All mine always worked.
Not everyone is good with machines.
Creality sold MILLIONS of these machines. It's not unlikely you just only got the good ones. Plus not everyone should HAVE to be an expert to enter this hobby.
*fucking
@@theninjascientist689i guess you can choose to spend more or save and face the hassle/ be good and utilize the most of the cheap printer
AMEN
One thing that still keeps Ender 3 variants sometimes more competitive for some people are the coupons that Microcenter likes to do for “new customers”. An Ender 3 V2 at $99 is hard to beat, especially for someone that isn’t sure they will stick with the hobby.
yeah if one was closer I would have one myself.. I've only seen in store coupons for it though. You cant buy it online for that price.
@@nwerd7584 i bought ender 3 neo with upgrade kit which fixes 80% of the problems for $150 on amazon. wait for a sale. it's my 1st one and i've had 0 problems. entering month 3 ownership
I agree, that if you are like me and bought a Homers/Tevo Tarantula for about $110 to learn what 3D printing is all about, then sure. I learned a lot, about all aspects of 3D printing. Software, hardware, materials, and I thoroughly learned how to modify the Tarantula. Fortunatly, after I got all the learning out of the way, Sovol released the SV06. That is the printer I use for printing. The Tarantual is in parts, and may get up and running again someday, with a ton of mods. When the Sovol arrived the Tarantula was on its last leg. The Sovol just prints, with very few mods, and it will just print 24-7 without any complaints. Kind of like a Prusa MK3.
Then they try to use it, can't get good print, get frustrated, and tell people how 3D printing sucks.
Not everyone wants a learning curve and tinkering.
@@ScytheNoire Much easier to just start with the Sovol sv06. They have refurbished down to $180. Kingroon has cheap linear and innovative rail printers.
The Ender 3 is the only 3D printer here in Brazil that you can reasonably afford even if you're on minimum wage, and since it's popular, you can easily find info on how to make it perform better or fix issues that arise, as well as find parts for it.
Pois é, comprei a Kywoo3D Tycoon Slim por R$1457,00, plug& play. Não precisei usar meu conhecimento de eletrônica e programação para colocar em funcionamento. Achei muito prática...
What about the Sovol SV06?
@@auroraRealms ender 3 and variants range form 1600 moneys to 1900 moneys, Sovol SV06 ranges from 2200 moneys to 2900 moneys
The ender 3 is an absolutely fantastic printer, I run a small company and we prototype parts on it all the time, we bought a K1 Max and two bamboo lab P1S's and I love them as well especially the bamboo labs but at the end of the day you can get a Ender3 for like $150 any day of the week, and it teaches you a lot about the concepts of printing when you're tinkering with it. But because all the parts are pretty robust you're not going to really break anything. I own 6 Enders and just love them especially when you have a glass bed. Ender3 + FreeCAD = Fun
Stockholm Syndrome
I like the glass bed as wel but as soon as I had a bed leveling probe and a PEI sheet I tossed that glass bed in the bin and from that moment everthing just sticks and comes off like a dream
Quite an endorsement and convincing.
What do you recommend instead
I use a glass mirror for a bed. Works great.
One benefit of getting an Ender 3 as your first printer is it come with about a month's worth of practice projects as you make all the parts needed to make it more user friendly. I think the first prints for mine were different guides, brackets, fan shrouds, etc. 🤣
Same here; different motherboard cover with bigger (more quiet!) fan, different psu cover since the stupid Creality design blocks all air intakes. Dual part cooler shroud so the prints get cooling from both sides.
Same here, still have the same original one, nozzle changed once, new bowden tube, new mobo with TMC drivers (best upgrade), adapter to standard SD card and still up and printing...
Mine is stock and does what I need it to do
Never needed to print any real mods for the Ender 3 honestly, besides a shroud for the intake on the mobo.
It's always been the hardware stuff. New metal extruder cuz stock plastic will 100% break after a month or two. Changing hotend to one with a 0.6mm nozzle+Bimetal heatbreak and also having a whole spare Phaetus Highflow hotend that can be swapped with a couple screws.
Much of that is not especially valuable but it's cheap to print so might as well. The main thing I found offensive as a lifelong technician is the sloppy bed level adjustment hardware. Four star lock washers sorted that but should not have been necessary. Sloppy thread fit is inexcusable.
“Hey Mom, I made it into a Makersmuse video!” 🤣😂🤣
Probably not the way you'd hope 🤣
"I knew my boy was talented in baseball" 👵
I just bought an Ender 3 v3 se, and now i'm seeing a video of a guy who says ender 3 is obsolete ?
@@joelpichetteare you just starting out? It's an amazing printer! I've printed to ton of stuff on it and it is easy to use. There are other printers available with bigger volumes, and resin is also coming way down in price, but the ender is still amazing
Go back to shilling garbage
Hope Naomi is ok. She not only had been a legit Maker for ages, she has been fiercely protective of "Young Makers". Thanks for mentioning her situation.
Vice working hard as the CCP lapdog to hurt Naomi? Wonder if that is why Vice died and Soros was sure to buy it up? So disturbing all the way around. Was George Soros involved from the begging with Vice and sanctioned Vise to essentially HIT Naomi?
Looks like CZcams hid my comment about Naomi. Nice to know CZcams is the lapdog of the CCP too in an effort to hurt and cover-up what happened to Naomi Wu.
The community losing Naomi Wu is a bigger blow than many realise, she was the only person local to the actual production companies and could give real feedback in addition to her OSHW work.
What happened to her? I used to watch her videos and now that I see your comment, I realize I haven't seen anything from her in a while.
@@gunnarbiker The authorities threatened her because of her outspoken views, so she had the choice to either go quiet or be disappeared.
This is a very simp take. It completely ignores all the engineers currently working and innovating in this field. 3d printing is still niche. You cant expect the same kind of progress as other fields in the same time.
@@cambridgemart2075 She actually stopped doing any OSHW advocating after the community and the OSHWA collectively shat on her years before her government shut her down. Both are really sad.
@@creativelyunoriginal You can actually, this market has been suppressed for decades. Do you really think the current systems weren't possible in 2000? News flash I was using one. The problem is that they were very proprietary and some patents needed to expire. The reprap project was about making an open platform to prevent this from happening again as easily and the current industry exists because of those efforts.
Naomi Wu showed Chinese companies that the profit wasn't in hiding code, something they generally don't understand, and she was making real progress until American maker and tech news orgs treated her so badly she couldn't keep going.
Leave my ender 3 alone omg
Lol, I have gotten a way better one, still tempted to get one and put a dual conversion kit on, "CR30"kit + switchwire!!!😅
I just bought my first 3D printer - an Ender 3 V1 (but upgraded with auto leveling). I’ve been blown away so far with how good it is, but I get the impression that the original owner upgraded a lot of pieces and tweaked it to be awesome).
That would be my thought. I’ve been tinkering with Ender 3s a lot and I despise them because of how inconsistent they are
By the time you upgrade everything to match the feature set as the Ender 3 S1 Pro your original build will cost more.
•Twin Screw Z axis
•Direct Drive extruder
•Touch Screen Interface
•Auto-Bed leveling
•Higher operating temperature
•Filament Sensor
All features I mentioned are all that the S1 Pro has that the Ender 3 V1 doesn’t have and by the time the V1 matches those features, the overall build is almost $300 more expensive.
This is coming from me that has a regular Ender 3 Pro and did upgrades over the years. You’re gonna want to upgrade the Bodin tube extruder to a metal one when it begins to slip.
@@robster7787 it can cost that much or more but it does not half to.. you find budget options of almost all those things to hack together something decent for not a lot of cash. that said it is not as easy to find decent budget prices**parts with fake reviews and market places flooded with junk. so yeah as long as you dont include your time it can not be as much.... if you include your time there is no way you could do it for a decent price.
I got an Ender 3 Pro for Christmas and the gifter bought 5 from a print farm who was selling them (and gifted them to various people). They were decently upgraded but didn't have some obvious cheap upgrades like metal extruders and better hot ends. The only thing I want to do now is make it more quiet and add CR Touch for quality of life upgrades. This thing has taught me and my son so much about 3D Printing. It's like a manual car. If you can learn to drive one you'll end up being a much better driver longer. We love this little booger. When I upgrade I'll be looking for a much faster printer. That's about the only thing I wish it did better.
how did you upgrade with auto leveling?
I love my ender 3 neo. I am using the creality slicer software and have printed a number of your challenging prints including the easter egg torture test and all have worked perfectly. I am new to 3d printing and am 73 year old female. It's great fun. I have not needed to make any modifications to the printer or the settings to achieve the results
Omg, you're amazing! 73 years of age and 3d printing?!? I wish you were my grandma, haha. Lots of love, god bless you!
I got an Ender 3 Max Neo, nice to see someone else with a neo printer :D
@@sparkthego0f473 Just got an Ender 3 v2 Neo (first printer), haven’t set up it but can’t wait. I’m nervously optimistic.
Nice,
I think the V2 and Max are pretty similar.
When putting the printer together be sure to mount your display correctly. I didn’t do mine right and now the screws are broken lol.
Also quick tip, make sure your wheels aren’t too tight. If they’re tighter than they should, after a few prints, it will look like there is dust on your wheels. It’s very visible on the wheels that carry the build plate. It’s actually rubber from your wheels slowly “chipping” away.
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I appreciate this video. Until today I couldn't understand why certain people were so critical of the Ender 3. Mine has been a sheer joy from day one. It is still the printer I use the most.
When reccomending a printer, I've always told folks that they'll have a much better time if they think of Creality as a parts reseller, and go into it knowing that they are 100% community supported. That said, the a $99 Ender 3 Pro is a heck of a learning platform - out of necessity. Great video, spot-on.
The Elegoo N2S is a similar cheap platform, you can buy those refurbished and they come with a PEI bed.
I agree and I decided to not buy one for this exact reason. I didn't want to build a printer I wanted to print.
Creality is a terrible company. It's in their DNA--it's part of Chinese business culture. They'll never change. Recommending an inexpensive printer as a learning platform for people new to printing is fine, but the Ender 3 was never good, no matter the price. If you spend $200 upgrading a new printer just to make it work acceptably, you've wasted both your time and money.
Yep, ender 3 pro is a great starting point for the tinkerer but not for those wanting a "just works" device
A better starting point would be a Kit printer with a good manual and instruction videos like the Lerdge iX Kit. The version 2.0 starts at 125 bucks but you could order parts like a direct drive extruder or some lineal rails to have that great modding route and at the end have build a Bambu A1 Mini for 320 bucks by yourself! The learning curve would be tremendous!
With that you build up your own printer and learn so much in like 2 afternoons. And after that printing and trouble shooting is a piece of cake since you already built that machine. And building is always better than buying! :D
That's why LEGO is still so popular between grown ups!
Oh ... and of course it would be open source - so your CAD model is available for you to design your own mods with.
And a Klipper tutorial is also available, so fast printing like the Bambu is obligatory by now.
Ender 3 is like the Small Block Chevy of the 3D printing world. There's way better options but the Ender 3 is good enough, has tons of support, and a huge community.
That’s a good example.
Mainly because the LS has been around for so long and has replaced the SBC in every conceivable way other than making a period correct hotrod.
I have no issue sacrificing it for a working printer and my sanity.
That is a slap in the face to LS owners and swaps everywhere. The Ender 3 is more like a K20 PoS.
@@briankale5977No, it's definitely a LS.
It's essentially the bacon of culinary arts.
"Bro, just throw some bacon on it"
"Bro, just LS swap it"
The community is still what's keeping me from moving to another house. In various groups you will get answers within minutes.
@4:20 - oh man, I remember that. The CR-10 was a massive success with the price point for the build volume. It's like they took a minimum parts needed for that size, and put it all together. Before that, the size contest was strictly expensive, and I still remember buying my first gMax 3d printer :)
Yep! I'm still running my CR-10 Mini right besides me... Not as large as the CR-10 or some of the others since, but luckily hasn't been an issue for me yet...
Got to say you're spot on in your analysis of the 3D printer market.
(My personal experience)
My son got an Ender 3 as a hobby printer as it was cheap and great to learn with and pretty much got me into the whole 3D printer world. I loved the whole design and print side of 3D printing and wanted to get my own printer but could see so many things wrong with the Ender 3 I didn't want one myself. The Ender 6 came out and I talked myself into how it would make a great hobby printer and to learn on and even make some mods to take care of its shortcomings. The Ender 6 has been a great tool but the constant need of fettling to get great prints was getting tiresome when what I wanted was my printed design to come out without any drama. Enter the Bambu A1 combo. The thought of easy colour prints was tempting but the ease of use and self calibrating element of Bambu printers in general had me reaching for the credit card. My, so far, short experience of the A1 has me blown away. Just this morning I sent a print from the web to the printer from my phone and it just works with nothing more than turning the printer on. Bambu have moved things on considerably with their ease of use it's night and day.
Was the Ender 6 a bad printer? No. It taught me so much but now it's time to move on to what I really want to do, design and print, without the fettling.
I hope by "short experience of the A1 has me blown away" you don't mean "the cable shorted, caught on fire and my house exploded". I hope you got news of the recall.
@@bami2 Thanks for your concern but both the A1 and myself are intact. My printer is closer to a wall behind it such that the bed cable was tapping the wall. From new I've had a strain relief print installed to stop the tapping and my cable is as good as it was out of the box thanks.
@@stevecade857 That's good to hear!
Going from Creality to the new Creality... Some folks just don't learn.
8:00 I’ve actually been really surprised for how much Naomi contributed to the tech/open source/3d printing community, that there’s been so little reaction to her getting shut down.
literally didnt even know
Seen her pop up now and then in my recommendations and never clicked on any of the videos because she had her honkers out. The fact that she was a serious content creator is big news to me. Go figure
Sadly with the death of Twitter, she lost her Western Presence; thus she lost the protection of being under our gaze. Because we stopped looking first, few noticed that she's not there.
@@Pudding_Pie I understand and kinda feel bad. Like I've heard from several women creators, two when having a webcam view was becoming popular. One added a cute drawn kitten pawing on a keyboard gif as hers. The other just refused because she had ample assets and knew that she would be inundated with claims she was popular because of or R jokes.
Otherwise the choice is to just take advantage of the attention of having them
I didn't even know about this until just now.
I had noticed I wasn't seeing her mentioned as often, but I had no idea that she had been forcibly shut down.
I fully agree, I love my Ender 3 it is my first and only printer, I have thousands of hours in it, built SO many cool things with it BUT I would never recommend it to someone just now getting into 3d printing. The only thing original left on it it is the frame, the power supply and some of the stepper motors, I have either upgraded or replaced everything else. For me that has been part of the fun, troubleshooting, repairing, testing but there were many times where I just wanted to give up, Im sure someone new to the hobby facing the same challenges probably did.
my first printer was a creality halot one pro
and honestly getting a resin printer is a way easier start then a normal 3d printer
with this its simply leveling and every 100 odd hours a fep film change and every 250 hours orso a carbon filter replacement and its quick and easy to do
the one thing that did take me some time to learn was the supporting for prints
it was quite hard to support em well and get it to print well
but i learned that i need to angle the pieces often
Similar to my voyage too. Made solar tracker and scooter fairing with it, amongst other interesting things, boxes, adapters, mounting brackets etc. Would like a bigger version now!
I admire you, because I always hated my ender3, always will hate it and its just my stubbornness, that allowed me to have some good stuff printed out of it, but with the first opportunity to run for different ones I did. Also it was that close me to just dump it and burn it :)
Is it still an ender 3 when you changed all the parts😂
@@kevinsun123ship of theseus moment
I bought an Ender 3 back in 2018 as my first (and until recently only) 3d Printer. Back then, there wasn't much choice available at that price point and it was surprisingly good out of the box (I guess I also got lucky). I had the occasional problems with leaks in the hotend due to bad fittings or molten PTFE tubes, but generally it worked fine. Of course it got some mods over the years: lots of 3D-printed attachments, a Raspberry Pi (OctoPi) with a camera, magnetic PEI bed, new mainboard with silent drivers (most mind-blowing upgrade), BLTouch ABL, quieter fans, a new, full metal hotend... It got to a point where it was mostly reliable, had good enough print quality and was even quiet enough to sleep in the same room it's running in.
I actually only used it occasionally and for simple enough prints it worked really fine. However, I never got the settings quite perfect for low-tolerance prints and some special cases. I knew I could get there, if I actively spend at least 10h calibrating and adjusting everything (maybe replacing some worn out parts), but I never really wanted to take that time. Over the last months I often thought about cool stuff to print, but knew I'd have to fix the printer first for really good results, so I didn't do it.
Then a friend told me about Bambu Lab. After some thought I got myself a P1S for Christmas and oh boy, is that a game changer. After the easy setup I printed the benchy that's readily sliced on the included MicroSD card and couldn't believe how fast that thing was! And it wasn't only fast, it was also the highest quality print I ever produced to that day. Without any tweaks. That changes it for me and I'm completely back in the printing game again. The only thing I really miss from my Ender 3 is how quiet it was with the upgrades.
For me, tinkering with the Ender 3 was a fun hobby from time to time, but most of the time, I just want a reliable and easy to use tool - which the Ender 3 never really was.
Would I recommend it for someone to buy? Maybe, if that person is good with electronics, patient and wants to have a DIY experience. Otherwise: never. I would consider almost all my upgrades on the Ender 3 to be sensible and maybe even required for a good experience. The catch: if I combine the price of my Ender 3 with the price of all the upgrades, I could get a Bambu Lab A1 for that price, which I'm 100% sure would be the better printer by far in almost every way (except maybe customizability - better printer, not better project).
Great video and well summarised!
I got an ender 3 V2 neo last year, and although I've had no real issues using it, I found the naming conventions of the Ender 3 models very confusing, and could only determine the V2 neo was the "latest model" by googling what date these models were released.
They definitely need a tidy up of their models in the Ender 3 range!
My Ender 3 Pro is awesome. I can turn it on after months of not using it and get a perfect print first time. It’s not very fast compared to newer printers, but it is reliable and asks for nothing in return. It was a great first printer. Agree that there are newer models that might be better, and Creality needs to get the Ender 3 variants under control.
Lucky you, mine was not responsive at all after 6 months of no use.
@VideoNerete dang, I used it for the first time in 1 and a half years, and it's still a work horse.
I have an original Ender 3 that I bought in 2019 and it's the same way. Spent the first few months getting it dialed in and for years now it's been turn it on and go whenever I need it.
I kept my 3 v1 off for about a year and fired it up... Bed was still level, hot end was working perfectly. Printed like it did a year prior.
It's my old faithful, just so slow now that I have the Ender 3 v3 KE.
My Ender 3 Pro is 4 years old now, starting to rust on some of the motors and guide wheels from storing it in the shed, and yet it still prints incredibly well and has always been reliable. Its print quality and reliability is honestly better than the Ender 3 V3 KE I recently bought (and in the process of returning) and I love it to death, best purchase I ever made
Sticking with my Ender 3 too. Its familiar, and Ive learned to fine-tune it over time. Budget constraints can make trying new models a bit tricky.
I'm not sure there's any good reason to upgrade from one unless you need a larger build volume are want to print with resin. Once you've got one of those locked in, there's not much to be gained by switching. It's the folks that got a bad one or can't get it to work right that ought to consider upgrading or switching.
I came to 3D printing with the purchase of a 99$ Ender 3 Pro (thanks for the coupon!). At first I was looking at $400-$600 machines, but since I had no idea if I would like or use 3D printing, I couldn't pass up the low-dollar opportunity to try it out with the 3Pro. I fixed the issue with the Z-axis limit switch and loose vertical springs by filing a bit off the nub rather than cutting it off. Once I re-assembled the x-axis gantry with attention to detail, I was able to get what I consider fairly good quality results. I appreciate this video, for sure. Thanks.
I bought one in 2018 as my first 3D Printer mainly because it was a cheap entry and I knew I wanted to modify my printer, which was actually a requirement for me so a fully framed ready to use unit was not really an option. Many other 3D Printers that had that kind of modularity were either too expensive (especially when I knew there was a risk of breaking it) or required me to already have a 3D printer to make some of the plastic parts (or if I ordered those parts the price usually went up again).
It's still my only 3D printer (although by now other people in my circle have one which I could ask to print something if something is broken) and I am still upgrading it and currently planing the next round of upgrades (Like switching to Klipper, adding an ARM board, finally changing the extruder type, adding a second Z axis etc.)
I absolutely agree, Ender 3 / Pro/V2, should be discountined from manufacturing. But Ender 3 V3 SE is actually a huge step forward.
The V3 SE is still a in violation of Marlin licensing, (you cannot get source), there is zero documentation for the motherboard or the display or the strain sensor... so making any modification or upgrades is limited to firmware creality provides (unless you gut it and start afresh)
I disagree. Maybe in many countries that makes sense, but for somebody like me that lives in Brazil, the original ender 3 is amazing.
It costs 1 minimum wage only, and it's available directly here (no importing taxes, current import tax is 92%).
@@TehKaramelo Where I live, minimum wage is done as a per hour rate.
In Brazil, is the minimum wage done by week or by month?
@@TehKaramelo Tem que aproveitar, pq eu duvido que vai continuar assim nos próximos 2 anos
@@DiscussToUnderstand R$6,00 per hour, $1,19. Here is done by month and it's R$1320,00 or $262,45. Yes, I paid $262 for a stock ender 3. If I had to import it would be $503. At the moment I'm trying to buy the K1 and it costs around 1k dollars.
My first printer was the original ender 3 pro, really happy i got it i learned so much just from upgrading with new parts and printed parts and just generally tinkering with it.
Its only this year i upgraded to the ender 5s1 which i got cheap in a sale and again super happy with it
i've had my ender 3 pro for many years now and recently been thinking about planning an upgrade, it's a great machine but auto-levelling and a few other little tweaks would make such a difference for me - would love a current video on the different price-points for 3d printing and the advantage of the extra features at each level.
Add the cr touch, its not too difficult.
id have to agree with the other guy. shouldn't be too hard to add a CR touch to it.
Great takeaways here in regards to the Ender Product's, and I agree as owning not (2x) ender 3's, a CR-10 and (3x) cr-10s , the product is a platform for tinkering, I have told people to buy one strictly to learn, because 3D printing in itself is a huge learning curve for a lot of people. It prepares them for the unforeseen issues in printing that make you scratch your head. The personal safety of a content creator is certainly more important now than 3D printing. We should continue the conversation about Naomi and figure out what exactly is going on. I unfortunately have been out of the hobby for about a year now, so I'll need to catch up on the details.
She's simply gotten too old to be the honey pot. Her job was no longer needed.
@@oldsjunkie1 Not sure I understand what you mean.
I really hope Naomi is able to get out safe with her loved ones. Its been such a horrible situation.
knowing what they do in "re-educating camps" Naomi will need some counseling and to leave asap back to the west ☹
Sadly I think it's probably too late to 'get out' since they're definitely targeted now.
@@jadesprite yup they don’t allow their citizens to watch CZcams but their police and security forces and wumao army are allow to scan youtube/twitter etc for dissent
tbf, she almost deserves it. she just thought they wouldn't do it to her, she saw it happen to countless other people and stayed.. for money she cant spend anymore.
@@nwerd7584 remember she felt for the propaganda of the CCP “real freedom and stability here” which gets famous people in trouble once they get into mainland China. If you listen to Asian boss interview where they ask Mainlanders about freedom of speech you would be like WTF is the propaganda that great ? But seeing then speak I was like this is what happens when a dictatorship masquerades as a “political party to the people “ 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Thank you for the shoutout to Naomi Wu aka SexyCyborg. She is an awesome maker, her silence/silencing is so worrying and, like you, I really hope she is OK.
Vice working hard as the CCP lapdog to hurt Naomi? Wonder if that is why Vice died and Soros was sure to buy it up? So disturbing all the way around. Was George Soros involved from the begging with Vice and sanctioned Vise to essentially HIT Naomi?
Looks like CZcams hid my comment about Naomi. Nice to know CZcams is the lapdog of the CCP too in an effort to hurt and cover-up what happened to Naomi Wu.
Looks like CZcams hid my comment about Naomi. Nice to know CZcams is the lapdog of the CCP too in an effort to hurt and cover-up what happened to Naomi Wu.
Looks like CZcams hid my comment about Naomi. Nice to know CZcams is the lapdog of the CCP too in an effort to hurt and cover-up what happened to Naomi Wu.
Last year I upgraded my Ender 5 to an Ender V3 Neo, and I don’t think I’m going to stop recommending Enders anytime soon. Yes, the Bambu we have at my work BLOWS ME AWAY with how great it is… but it’s also 5x the cost.
And 5x the quality
@@TEGKCUFTNUC and 5x the peace of mind to leave it printing and not be bother checking it from time to time
Terrible support has Bambu. I have the X1 (not blown away), the Qidi X-Plus 3 (very good), Ender 6 (nightmare), and my trusty Ender 3 V2, which I continue to mod, and it prints just like it did on first day. Beautiful :) I have probably spent more than the previous aforementioned, all put together, on the V2, lol, albeit, it's a tad slow now. Think about that ;)
I did also buy an 'Aquila' back then, (cheap at time, with the crappy mainboard) but it never came out it's box, and I just ended up using it for spare parts (for Ender 3 V2), as I was just too busy getting the Ender 6 nonsense done at the time, so that never got up and running, which I feel bad about. Covid took it's toll. Still, more parts for my V2, rest got binned. :D
Thank you so much. I'm an excited newbie to 3D printing and I just ran into a Ender 3 3D for sale. I'm glad you were in my feed because it sounds like I would just be frustrated. I'll look into Bamboo Labs. Thanks again.
I completely agree with all of your points. Wanted to add however that the recent SE model is actually something a bit different. It uses a strain gauge and auto bed leveling so the user doesn’t have to adjust zoffset or make any first layer adjustments at all. Very compelling at $200. Ok, now I’m off to check in on Naomi and where she’s been.
i was gonna say the same thing. Also no more bowden tube so that is another flaw mentioned that they have fixed. I'm a bit biased of course 😆
Looks like CZcams hid my comment about Naomi. Nice to know CZcams is the lapdog of the CCP too in an effort to hurt and cover-up what happened to Naomi Wu.
I’ve got 3 Enders, only one has had a massive amount of problems and now it’s working beautifully. I just love how upgradable and customizable it is
one reason I liked the ender 3 was the troubleshooting. I'm a mechanical engineer so getting the ender 3 with all the issues ( I was the 3rd user) I was able to learn about what can go wrong and how to go about fixing it. I taught me so much that when I got my CR10 -V3 I had no problems when issues came with that printer, as well as troubleshoot some friends printers. But to buy for production or prototyping DONT _ Its a cheap printer to learn what can and will go wrong and find out what you really want in a 3Dprinter
I love my v2 neo
I didn't have a massive need for a printer and just wanted one for fun and as something to do in my free time.
I was suggested the v2 neo and it's worked fantastic (apart from the blower fan failing, but I was going to upgrade to noctua fans anyway)
My favourite part about the enders is how modified they can be, which is something I've loved doing to it.
The main point I do agree on is that it's more for hobbying than a tool. I've spent a lot of time on mine
Bought an Ender 3V2, largely off of hint and tips from this channel and it's still a great printer for my occasional needs. It has the "must have" bed level sensor and I swapped out the default PTFE tubing.
The thing that stood out for me with the Ender 3 and other cheap 3D printers when I looked into them 5 years ago was the amount of user upgrades out there for them - that said to me they weren't as complete as they should be, that corners were cut in their design/build, I didn't want my introduction to 3D printing to be having to make the printer better, I wanted to get straight into designing & printing, so I spent more and got a Prusa i3 Mk3 in kit form and it's been serving me great ever since.
My ender 3 has 700hr on it since july 14th when i upgraded it to klipper. Over all it have like 5k+ hrs on it.
Even if i never use it again after my version of a vzbot is built ill still never sell it and it will always have a place on my shelf. Its been an incredible machine that got me started in 3dprinting. I now have 4 machines of various configurations churning out parts almost 16hrs a day. My ender has a place in my heart. Bury it with me.
Unfortunately didn't see this in time and got the machine. I'd like to thank you for the advice about the idler pully not being tight enough, because the screwdriver worked like a charm in getting that pulled so I could tighten.
Naomi Wu certainly deserves the credit and the community support. I hope she is ok. As for Ender3 - I'm one of those who bought an Ender3 5 years ago. It's still going strong, but I'm looking to retire it as I'm frankly tired of tinkering with it and moving on to something new. I agree with you 100%.
Naomi wu is as fake as it gets, she doesn't deserve any credit or attention.
@@gfdggdfgdgf Wu is just fine, all she has to do is behave. As a gay person myself, it give me no pleasure to say that the State Department and the CIA use LGBT activists as "disruptive actors" to use as weapons against a targeted state. China is a conservative culture, and as such, has little tolerance for in-your-face sexual liberation activism. Her partner is apparently Uighur, so she is likely involved in activism on that front too, however the notion that they are under threat or targeted for "genocide" is, in reality, completely unfounded. Again, the CIA uses Muslims to antagonize the State, and there have been a number of atrocious terrorist attacks against the Chinese committed by Western-backed Uighurs, and IMHO, China's response to this has been quite moderate. There are hundreds of ethnic minorities in China, and all are protected by the State and given additional resources. They were not even subject to the "one child policy." The CZcams user "Alex from Xinjiang" documents this area, which provides direct proof that this group is healthy and thriving (and in a modern land with advanced infrastructure). Anyone who says otherwise is spreading CIA propaganda, whether they know it or not. As with Gaddafi and Libya, we're not permitted to witness functional states who actually work and use resources for the people, it sets a very bad example, so any State who does this has to be vilified in the extreme. There is nothing too dirty or underhanded for our Z-occupied governments to say or do to keep us mentally corralled onto the reservation.
@@WaffleStaffel Too long, didn't read. Shut up you Chinese Government boot licker.
@@WaffleStaffelby ‘behave herself’ you mean ‘tow the Government’s line of thinking’ ?
@@arbjful If you'd read beyond that part of my comment, you'd know the answer. It means *not agitate on behalf of a foreign power.* And she's not going to be "disappeared..." People are far too gullible, and they repeat the hyperbole they hear in our news media, which has never, ever, proven itself to be honest or without extreme bias.
As someone who fell into the Ender 3 beginner printer trap, this video summarizes it all very well. Dealing with problems I’ve had with the printer even after getting a CR Touch has done nothing but put me off wanting to touch it. I’m currently looking at getting a P1P and either selling off my E3V2 or continue tinkering with it when I have the will to deal with it.
I think reliable printers are a myth. These are just fundamentally wear and fault prone class of devices for the time being.
Go for it, I did exactly that move a few months ago and never felt happier. The P1P is way faster, prints at a higher quality and is super reliable.
@@SianaGearz I disagree. Bought a prusa i3 mk2s years ago; have spent 2 years with it stored and it prints out of the box with no adjustments. never had an issue with it and have lost very little time adjusting anything since building it out of the box.
@@gcm4312 so how many hours of printing do you have on it? Have you crossed a hundred? A thousand?
yes I have crossed a thousand (edit: ~1500h; just checked. never replaced anything on it and like I said never had to make mechanical adjustments) @@SianaGearz and if reliability was an issue prusa itself wouldn't use a massive number of them on their assembly line
My first 2 printers were the anet a8 and the tevo tarantula and both had really bad issues when i first got them. The a8s main board literally caught fire as soon as i plugged it in and i had to get a replacement board. Not to mention that it comes without a power switch so its either on and plugged in or off and unplugged. I eventually printed a power switch mount for the power supply. It was nice until the z axis vertical bearings fell apart and sent a bunch of tiny bbs all over the floor. Then, with the tevo tarantula, it never printed correctly out of the box. The hot end thermistor died, i replaced it, it then was underextruding. Just a massive pain. Then i finally got a cr10 and it has been amazing ever since. As long as you keep up the maintenance like replacing worn out belts, cleaning the dust off of the rollers, and make sure the belts and frame are properly tightened, it works flawlessly
I'm really happy with my Ender 3 Neo. I did add a direct drive extruder, though, which improved print quality and enables printing TPU.
I have an ender 5 Pro print farm, which has done me well for 3 years. You can't have a farm with lots of different printer types. But bambu labs will be my next purchase.... just waiting until Christmas sales come and go... before I move away from creality. Completely agree with the general view of Creality.
Bambu printers don't support the same level of print-farming as your Enders
@@matbeedotcom can you explain what you mean? Do you mean just based on cost you can get more printers for the same amount spent, or is there some other feature you're talking about?
@@doinker50 No, Bambu printers arent currently automated. You have to manually print each item. There may be some automation software available but I havent heard of it yet.
I'm not a 3D printer farm operator... But I'm curious about the automation thing. How do you automate a 3D printer when you have to physically remove the print from the bed before starting another one?
@crooker2 Ive seen people add gcode to push the print off with the print head (cool the bed, push it off, print again) but i dont know if people use that in print farms
Honestly, I will always be thankful for this printer. At the time, the other decent option was to spend ~$800 for a Prusa. It was simply too much for a tool I was not sure to use that much beyond the obligatory Benchy (which strangely enough, I actually never printed ^^). To be fair, it is not a great printer, even with upgrades. But as a tool I use once in a while, it's still fit for purpose, even if better printers do exist for the same price now.
We have an Ender 3 Pro with every upgrade there is. The 2 biggest improvements 1) are stiffer bed springs (or silicone replacements), and 2) the BLtouch or 3Dtouch. All the others just add a few % improvement. We did the BTT motherboard/display, MicroSwiss NG direct print head, dual z axis, BLtouch, silicone bed "springs", ball bearing filament roller (this is not bad and it's cheap). Putting temporary (NOT permanent) Locktite on the bed screws helps keep them from backing off. We don't have a ceramic bed.
I bought my first 3D printer this year and almost got an Ender-3 because of your coverage on it over the years. Have decided to go with the Neptune 4 Pro, as it just came out and got fairly good reviews as a good entry level printer. It had issues as well, but all solvable and I found the 3D printing community to be very welcoming and helpful. There were ~10 different printers around $300-$400 on my list, and tbh I think all of them would've been a fine entry level printer.
This was a really good video. As frustrating as it can be to always be working on a printer instead of using it is that you really get to know the printer and understand how they work at a much deeper level than a typical "user". I have an MP mini select V2 that I was given last year as my first 3d printer. It worked well enough but was far from perfect. I'd give it a 6 out of 10 but for free and for not knowing any better I was still impressed. but once I began to have issues I was forced to either fix them or give up and I wasn't going to give up. I learned about this thing and in my discoveries to fix each problem I slowly improved upon it. I've now modified it significantly and use it as a dedicated printer for filament I make from PET bottles. it does PLA/PETG/TPU amazingly well but due to the small volume I leave those filaments for my other printers. But it has become a great testbed for new hotends, extruders and motors. I understand how 3d printers work so much better BECAUSE this thing was imperfect.
Not the best solution for everybody but it definitely was for me.
I bought an Ender 3 Neo, and so far it's been pretty good. The only issue I have had is adhesion mainly with ABS, but glue fixes that pretty well.
I completely agree with you. Several years back I bought an Ender 3 Pro as my first printer. I still believe it was the right choice at the time but there's no way I would recommend it to a newbie today. It prints better than it ever did right now but that's only because I've modded the hell out of it to the point where it doesn't even resemble the original printer any more. Loved every minute of doing that because I'm a tinkerer at heart but boy would that have been intimidating to a casual user.
The learning curve with the Ender 3 can be a bit steep, but its a rewarding journey. The community support makes it easier to tackle challenges.
Try building your own 3D printer from scratch. 😀 I did that back in 2016, and built another in 2018. I still use the second one, and have put Linear bearings on it. It's not the fastest, although I do intend to upgrade the firmware on it soon to allow me to go faster.
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First I thank you and 3-D printer Nerd for advice on getting the Ender 3 in years past it has been amazing trip learning 3D printing but I'm ready to move on with more technical prints as people are asking me to design and print stuff for them and I need recommendation now for moving on to the next step in my 3D print skills and possibly career With a printer out of the box with all the features I need on a school bus driver income
Still had one it was my first 3D printer, it’s not doing much but when you was mentioning the v-rollers I was moving the bed and the other axis to prevent them to get flat.
Between your videos and Naomi's, I bought an Ender3 V2 and it has been great for me. Though there were a few things that had to be a few things to be replaced.
I hope Naomi and Kaidi are ok. It sucks how she has been treated, even before being disappeared. ☹️
Vice working hard as the CCP lapdog to hurt Naomi? Wonder if that is why Vice died and Soros was sure to buy it up? So disturbing all the way around. Was George Soros involved from the begging with Vice and sanctioned Vise to essentially HIT Naomi?
Ah yes indeed it is time. I started with an Ender-2, modded it for about 90% I guess and got it printing as well as any expensive machine out there. Learnt a TON. So in that sense it was nice to be able to do that, however moving on to the Ender3V2, I ended up seeing the exact same stuff I wanted to mod and throw away, it seemed (and is) such a waste in general. So got me the MK4 and now I have both the knowledge to fix it (if needed), but also just have a printer I don't immediately want to mod. :) I will never go the Bambu way though as I still value being able to fix everything myself with standard parts.
My only printer is still my first, a CR10 that I bought over 5 years and use it weekly. Have done some maintenance, new mainboard, new nozzles... but all very affordable and the thing is a total tank. Has never let me down. Simple design is the key. Paid $360 at the time shipped... crazy good deal. Still on the original rollers and belts.
The first printer that I got was an Ender 3. I had in my mind that my dad and I could use it to print jigs and parts that my dad could use in his shop- he's a carpenter. I had so many issues trying to get the stupid bed levelled and the height correct, then add to that the fact that it seemed like every time I would use it the bed would go out of level again so I'd need to spend another 20 minutes trying to get it right... well, it's no wonder that it's ended up sitting on a shelf unused for over 4 years now. I wanted it as a tool, not as something that I would spend hours upon hours trying to get to work.
Well, a few weeks ago we ran into an issue that could only really be fixed by something that we could 3d print. I did some research and heard just how good the Bambu Labs printers are. I just ordered the P1S a few days ago and am super excited to finally get to use a 3d printer for what it was always meant to be for me- a tool to be used, not a toy to be played with.
I’m impressed. I bought the XVico pioneer because of your recommendation. I still have it, with a Lerdge K board. Now I have the X1C and the K1 and the Kmax as well. Plus the cr6-Se and the BIQU Huraksn also. I didn’t know anything about Naomi. You should really go after that mess. The entire community should go after it. I hope your efforts and the efforts of others get her to safety. Maybe that can be Kick-Started?
I still have my Anet-8 from 4 years ago, and love it.
It did need a lot of mods and calibration to make it great, but I like that route.
Hands-on learning is best learning. It allows me to customize everything and not cry about the price.
Still have my v1 a8 kit from...7 years ago. As of earlier this year when I bought my s1 pro it was still chugging along.
I have my 5 year old original Ender 3 still on my desk. It sits across from my Bambu Labs X1 Carbon. I am really happy to actually "print" with my X1 more than troubleshoot. But, the Ender 3 really did make me learn things about my prints and their quality. It has helped in operating the X1 when it has a hiccup. I won't trash the Ender 3 but rather maybe set it up for TPU duties or maybe convert it to EDM using Rack Robo's new Powercore kit.
I have the Ender 3 v2 and that thing I had to upgrade the springs under the print bed, replaced the extruder tip, and an auto-leveling element to help the thing print without issues. Things I shouldn't have had to get from the start but it is what it is. I am happy with it when it works but frustrating when it doesn't.
I just got the Ender3 V2 Neo about a month ago as my first 3D printer, and I'm pretty happy with it. They seem to have fixed some of the problems talked about here :)
now they have the v3 SE which solves some more issues. Good to see progress.
I agree, there are huge steps moving forward in the last few years. I cant imagine them changing it as long as sales are still up. Micro Center brings them in 4 pallets at a time. More quantity of Ender 3 than any other model they sell. (Yes I live near a Micro Center)
Micro Center also had them on sale for $50 at one point. Yeah, the X1C and the others are way better than the Ender 3, but I can literally buy 10-20 Ender 3s for the price of an X1C. The Ender 3 is the Little Cesar's Hot & Ready of printers: you buy it because of price and availability, not because of an expectation of quality.
Got an Ender 3 a year ago for my 11 year old. Had a heck of a time getting the bed levelled and it barely got used. Bought some of the 3rd party springs (the yellow ones), but didn't do anything with them until recently when I had something I wanted to print. And man, what a difference the new springs make. Why couldn't Creality have just used these from the start? However, with what I know now, I'd probably get something that self levels. Just makes sense and is worth the extra cost. The Bambu printers are really tempting.
One thing I love about the Ender 3 and its clones is its maintainability. That said, it needs lots of maintenance until you fix all the design faults. However, I’m not worried about anything breaking on my Ender 3. I can (and have) fixed all of it.
As someone who gave up many times mainly becausee of first layer issues, moving to a Ender 3 V2 Neo was a HUGE change for me , the ABL is a massive W for anyone just getting into it or someone like myself who just cant be asked to level so often , v2 neo was great, now got myself a p1s and I run them both and id tell people to get a v2 neo or any variant that has ABL
I've had the same issues with the SD card slot & the bed clips; I also had problems with the bed adjusting itself during a print, which was improved by using stronger springs. I added a clone of the BL Touch sensor which made prints more consistent, but had issues with that because of the Z axis switch input decoupling on the control board (it had a 100uF cap fitted which I had to remove). The cable management is also rubbish and I had occasional issues with the cables catching the bed or the extruder. I wouldn't recommend an Ender 3 to a beginner for most of the reasons you mentioned unless you want to spend more time improving your printer than actually using it.
I watched this video while trying to work out which 3D printer I should consider, as a beginner. The Ender 3 (pro/v2/neo/etc.) are the most commonly recommended.
This might have saved me some headaches down the line, but I feel I’m back at square one, with no clue which printers are best for me.
I bought a V2 for 70 bucks, and after a decent bit of fighting with the quirks and random mods, I know so much more about 3D printing than I would have if I had gotten a P1P or something that removes all the headaches. Can’t imagine anyone getting one at full price, but it’s a great way to actually understand all the nuances before you upgrade.
Perhaps the Ender 3 is the Curtiss P-40 of 3D printers. But seriously, it looks like the new Ender 3 V3 SE may be the closest thing to a budget ($199) 3D printer for beginners, particularly regarding bed leveling.
My first (and only) 3D printer is an Ender 3 S1 Pro and overall I was pretty pleased with it, it was just slow. I started looking into what would be involved in building an RPi to run Klipper, provide network connectivity, etc...and I kept coming back to the Creality Sonic Pad, which just so happened to be on sale recently so I picked one up for $125. I basically took a day to get it set up, calibrated, tweaked a little more, and finally to the point where the Ender 3 S1 Pro is producing excellent prints in better quality while doing it in less than half the time compared to stock.
It may not be the best out there, but an Ender 3 S1 (Pro) + Sonic Pad make for a great combo, IMO.
So, I"ve had my Ender 3 for a year and a quarter. BTW, I agree with everything you're saying. I did a bunch of upgrades (auto leveling, runout sensor, glass bed...). However, two months ago, prints started failing randomly about 2 hours in (heat creep). I replaced almost everything and still could not fix the problem. Then I did a massive search for another relatively inexpensive 3D printer and ended up with the Mingda Magician X2. About the same speed & size as Ender 3, but much quicker to put together and lots of features not in Ender 3. Having said all that, I can't quite give up on the Ender 3. Just bought an upgrade motherboard, since it's the only thing I haven't replaced. So I guess I'm hooked for now.
The only thing I could find to fix heat creep on my Ender 3 V2 was replacing the extruder to a direct drive system. I am running the sprite extruder with no issues for over a year now. It is incredible how well it works and I churn out a ton of prints.
The Bowden style is a mess. The tubing, even Capricorn in the heat break always gets messed up.
Thanks! Can you tell me which Sprite direct drive you used (dual gear, etc?).
Yes, dual gear. It has been churning parts for 11 months now and I haven't even replaced the nozzle yet! I used to replace those old brass nozzles every few days.
This is what I got off amazon: Creality Sprite Extruder Pro Kit, All Metal Direct Drive Dual Gear Extruder Upgrade Kit for Ender 3/Ender 3 V2/Ender 3 Pro/Ender 3 S1/Ender 3 Max/CR-10 Smart Pro 3D Printers, with Backplate, Adapter, Flat Cable
It came to 145$. Well worth it. I think it's the same extruder that the new Ender 3s come with. It turned this thing into a new printer.@@mikesheldon4063
I have an Ender 3 v2, but I already changed the hotend since that was rubbish. The thing is, is that there is a huge community who uses Ender 3 which makes resolving issues a breeze. The community on discord is helpful and kind, and since we cannot rely on the manufacturer, this is all we have. Other 3d printers have big communities as well, but not as big as the Ender 3 currently. To be honest, I'm fed up with my machine, I would like something that prints just like a bambulab, but just as cheap as this one. Obviously I'm asking too much as of now, but maybe in a few years...
I was thinking about 3D printer for long time, but gave a shot at it when Neptune 3 released.
Majority of issues were solved with soap water and IPA to clean up bed from time to time.
oh .. and trying out white fillament was adventure.
Beside that as complete newbe I had mostly just fun with designing and prining stuff.
spot on with all the different versions. its such a pain. I looked up 3d printers a couple years ago. heard about the Ender3, saw a bunch of different models, didnt have the time to figure out all the minute differences so didn't bother getting one in the end.
I got one, I changed it to direct drive, I print TPE and TPU a lot, bimetal hot end + copper block for hight temp, second Z motor, auto-leveling bed mesh, removed the springs under the bed for rubber blocks, G10-FR4 for the bed and MRISCO professional firmware. I love my ender3 V2. I use Orca Slicer and Octoprint on a Raspberry pi 4.
We owe so much to Naomi Wu and the way she is being treated by her government is horrific. I hope she's safe and doing well. We love you Naomi!
I missed anything about that, what happened ?
@@dev-debug There's an article linked in the description
First and foremost: Chinese citizens are not allowed to use foreign social media. VPN-s are illegal. You are allowed to post only authorized themes like dining, relationships or weather (unless there's a flood that needs covering up). Anything else needs media pass and those are given only with good social credit. Any criticism towards the party will get you dissapeared from the Chinese internet's like you never existed.
Now, all these rules are not used all the time for all the cityzens. There may be huge amounts of people who use VPN-s for outside social media and blabber on whatever. So it seems relaxed system. Until the point where the hammer drops on specific person and they can't even use metro anymore because the social credit score is too low.
There was this "famous" actress who brought hairspray cans in a bag to metro (illegal). She made a a fuss when being detained. Next moment she was cut out from a TV series they had just finished filming. Absolutely every frame with her face was reworked to use some other face. And that can and will happen to everybody who happens to catch their ire.
I have no idea what happened to Naomi. What I do know is that it's simple as boiling an egg to get scrubbed from Chinese internet. Lucky if that's the limit of what happens to you. So good luck out there and get the f out of that country while you still can.
CCP repossessed her implants?
I lost all my respect for her when she tried to ruin Linus Sebastian's life. She gets what she deserves.
Literally agreed with everything said. I bought a Elegoo Neptune which if we are honest is just a refined Ender 3. Great to tinker with but after find out that after have the product for sale for 3 months, discontinued it (and thereby stopped firmware support) so they could release the Neptune 3 Pro, I took the plunge and just invested in the Bambu Labs P1S. I have been printing for 10 years or so, in fact I think the 1st video I watched of yours was how to use acetone to smooth out your ABS prints. Bambu Lab is the breath of fresh air this market needs for everybody to move forward. People may have issues with it being closed sourced and cloud base but truthfully, it just works so who cares? At the end of the day, I want to just print the stuff I design, if I can do it faster then all the better. The worst thing is having to fault find an issue when all you want to do is print something. Life is too short. So glad we are moving forward from all that. It’s time now
The real issue with the bambus is you are going to spend way too much money on filament 😂😂
I got my ender 3 pro for $99 at microcenter in january this year. After the bed levelling headache i got it set with stronger springs and it stays pretty level. Now thats ive have it nearpy a year ive decided I want a Bambu p1s BUT also want to upgrade my ender 3 pro with dual z axis, auto bed leveling and some other nice little upgrades as a hobby printer, but also have the bambu for rapid prototyping and some other things I want to try like ABS printing and multicolor.
I just bought a Bambu labs X1 Carbon....with the AMS. I'm hoping it's as good as the hype says. I never went down the Ender-3 route. My first 3D printer was a Makerbot Replicator, I bought it for a grand I think, from the owner who had run out of patience with it. Over quite a few years now I managed to get it working, and keep it working and managed to side step any of the proprietary nonsense.
I've used Ender 3's once or twice but never got them to work consistently.
You hit it on the nail towards the end of the video. I held off for years getting a 3D printer bc I just don’t have the time to tinker. When Bambu Labs came out with the X1C I dove in. It was the right choice for me and I couldn’t be happier. It’s not perfect but very good.
that costs 4-10x much? ???
@@petervansan1054 You get what you pay for with Bambu labs. Yes you can pay less for other printers but what’s more important is ‘value for money’.
@@petervansan1054 snobs in every hobby always gloss over that fact
@@shamanschlong A hobby is for wasting money LOL, you should look at the people doing photography as a hobby buying $4,000 camera bodies and dropping thousands each on lenses.
@@FawfulDied that's beside the point
It's wild I've never heard of Naomi but I can see the impact she's had. I got into printing about 12 years ago when it was a huge mess of manufacturers with $10000 models vs the wild west of kickstarters with no working results. After some headaches and failed kits, I took a break and came back to the waves of creality copies. It gave a good foundation for other companies to refine the design while keeping prices low. My sovol sv06 plus was $300 and out of the box it absolutely demolishes the other printers I've had. The trend also set the expectations for resin printers, laser engravers, desktop CNC. People expect a working and affordable option and if a company can't do it, another company will. We get a burst of bottom tier stuff quickly followed by gems and it's kind of unreal to see how fast it happens. I had no idea how it happened for filament printers originally, but its really turned the "anyone can make things** (**with unlimited patience, a lot of cash, and an expertise in electronics)" into "yeah, anyone can make things and its great".
You haven't? Oh wow ..yah she's important, her story is pretty tragic especially how she was treated earlier in life... she's such a wonderful, smart, talented woman and it's a damn shame that wasn't recognized right out the gate.
If you can't tell I've got absolute GOBS of respect for her and what she's done for the space and would gladly straight up lead a team into China to pull her ass outta the fire if they tried to silence her completely or hurt her, she deserves an ARMY of 3d printing guys standing behind her honestly... our way of life wouldn't exist as it does without her work.
Looks like CZcams hid my comment about Naomi. Nice to know CZcams is the lapdog of the CCP too in an effort to hurt and cover-up what happened to Naomi Wu.
I just fired up my two enders that haven't been run in several months (if not more) for a work project and didn't even have to level them. Working great right now.
My first 3D printer was an Elegoo Neptune 2s and a couple of months later I bought a Creality Ender 3V2. Both are upgraded with auto leveling and since a couple of months with silicone bumpers instead of springs and leveling screws. The Ender 3V2 gives me much less headache than the Neptune 2s. I'm at that point when the Neptune 2s fails again with the auto bed leveller I go back to manually bed leveling.
I agree, there better options than the original Ender 3. Before you move on from the Ender 3's check out the latest in the series, the Ender 3 V3 SE. This machine is probably one of the best beginner options out there right now. It is about plug and play as you can get. Easy to assemble in just a few minutes and even has outo z offset and auto leveling. I recently got one as my first ever printer and just love it because of it's ease of use and useability.
The ender 3 was my first intro into 3d printing. While it taught me the basics of 3d printing, it was a massively frustrating experience that wasn't enjoyable on any level. However instead of making me quit, it just made me buy a Bambu lab P1s. That has been everything I wanted out of 3d printing. It's fast, I didn't have to "fiddle" with anything and on 99% of the prints I want to do including those I design myself, it just works. But yes as you mentioned, I wanted a tool first, hobby second.
Just upgraded from a Geeetech A10 (Ender 3 clone) to a Bambu Labs A1 with AMS and couldn't be happier. I'm still very glad I started with an Ender 3, I learned a ton modifying that printer and learning about 3D printing. I'm sure I'll still use my old printer from time to time.
That glass door on the k1 did only survive a week on mine too.
If you're building something with tempered glass instead of acrylic panels, you should make sure it's not as flimsy as that.
Now I need to modify my old Ender to work as a laser cutter to make myself a nice looking new panel. 😅
Completely agree: if you want to learn how to fix print problems and upgrade a printer to add missing features, the Creality printers are a good choice. If you just want it to work, pick almost anything else.
I'm newer to 3D printing (under a year). I bought a Bambu Labs X1 and I've had nearly 0 issues. I'm printing in PA12CF with pretty good results. I'd suggest a Bambu Labs product to anyone who just wants a printer that works out of the box.
@@tedo3332 I really like the X1 Carbon's features but I'm waiting for another year or so to gauge the long-term quality for parts like the gantry rails.
@@Ughmahedhurtz So far so good... I have gone through about 30Kg with only a handful of failures (usually tall skinny prints or forgetting a brim) and a clog. I hope it lasts too.
My printer is an Ender 3 Pro. I've modified it massively over the past 3.5 years - dual Z axis screws, silent motherboard, silent fans, Hero Me printhead, CR Touch, PEI bed... and that's just what I can remember. And it's been fun - I've learnt so much along the way - but once I can afford a P1S it's going to get moved aside.
Yea I enjoyed upgrading the ender 3, but now want a p1p
You’d be surprised. I got a P1P and have had great success with it, but I still go back to my ender just cause it’s my first printer, and I keep adding upgrades to it. Eventually I’ll have to retire it, but one of these days I’ll finally calibrate it the best it can be
@@BillyMayonaiz it’s part of the fun
I have an Anet A8, for about 6 years now ($75 then), and it prints just fine. The only addon is a glass bed (Lowes: $8) and a cooling nozzle (printed). I've put at leat 20kg of material in it. Never have to re-level the bed. Excellent prints! So I'm amiss as to what A8 you're refering to with all the problems you describe.
As an Ender-3 fan, I see your points about quality control. My first Ender was an Ender 3 Pro and, after a lot of tinkering, I got it to print great...in PLA. Then I tried printing PETG and instantly regretted it. I learned a LOT about replacing parts on it. Fast forward to today and I've replaced the Pro with a Ender-3 V3 KE. Night and day in terms of features - Wireless printing, direct feed, auto bed leveling, dual-X with lightning-fast speeds, upgraded frame and bed... I am concerned if/when I need to replace parts, but I'll cross that bridge later. For the price (~$260), I couldn't get anywhere near a Bambu, yet I feel I got the same quality.
I completely agree! My Ender three is in pieces in the back of the shop right now, not sure if i want to spend the time and energy to get it running again!
Great vid and 100% consistent with my experience in getting into 3D printing 4 months ago. I bought Creality (CR10 Smart Pro) and it has been… ok. But the learning curve was steeper than it needed to be. I’m still here, but now strongly considering a different machine - maybe a Qidi X-Max 3
Bambu Labs stuff is not bad, but the main reason why they got so popular is that they shipped free units to every influencer in the whole maker community, which got them a ton of cheap promotion.
And Craptality did the exact same thing... Enough of the Creality Trash already.
You do realize that every 3d printer company does that, right?
Tard brain
@@steveaylor376 Yes, they did the same thing.
I've had a lot of use from my Ender 3 and V2 with very few problems and replacement parts, so I may be one of the lucky ones. This video is helpful though and helps to figure out what direction I need to go in to transition from hobby to business applications.
Thank you for releasing this!! There was a time I liked to tinker with the machines (2015) but now I just want them to work so I can keep being creative!
Exactly what I was thinking the whole time while watching the video, why do they even sell it? In fact, half the printers Creality sells shouldn't be sold anymore. I have the Ender 3 s1 pro and even with ABL it feels like a bit of a dinosaur compared to what has come out in the last few months.
I love my ender 3's because they taught me to buy once and cry once. I wish I would've just bought a prusa and not had the pains of trying to manage the ender 3, but I learned a ton of fundamentals, so I guess it was okay in the end
I just got my Prusa printer and it’s actually quit a bit of tinkering before you can start printing, I originally purchase an ender 3 pro and modded into a v2. If it wasn’t from my great learning curve I don’t think I could have gotten my Prusa running.
@@thattechfpv6307 interesting