Are Your Wheels Strong Enough For You? | Choosing The Right MTB Wheelset
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2023
- There are many factors which come into play when choosing a wheelset for your mountain bike. What are you riding? How are you riding it? How heavy are you? Do you mind pushing a little extra weight on your bike? There are plenty of options out there to choose from and with details as minor as materials and spokes having a big influence on the characteristics of the wheels, how do you make the correct choice to suit you? Doddy has assembled a collection of mountain bikes and wheelsets to help explain!
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Of course, there is plenty you can do besides just wheels! With lots of tyre tech on offer and the choice of running an insert, you can tailor the wheelset you have to your riding style with a bit of work. However, if you're in the market, wheels are one of the most important things to get right!
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If you are not a racer, good alu 30mm rim is enough for trail, AM, enduro...
Yup, 30mm is the sweet spot for trail and enduro riding, 35mm rims get draggy and don't like to corner unless you run 2.6s or plus tires. DH rims are usualy 25mm since DH riders still usually like running 2.3s (though that is changing as the Assegai becomes the front tire of choice in the DH world)
For sure! A 30mm rim is a strong go-to for most trail and enduro riders! 👍
@@mrvwbug4423 2.5 tires work perfectly fine on 35mm rims. Draggy? Give me break dude you don’t know what you’re talking about
I don't really notice any speed difference between carbon and aluminium rims. Maybe carbon are a tiny bit faster for a long race but the rim material isn't at all like the frame feel difference from carbon or aluminium. Frame is night and day difference.
What about heavy riders? Im 300 lbs. what would be a good rim, tire combo?
Another infomercial for a new sponsor.
Talk about pinned vs welded, spoke count. This is meant to be "tech"
"Being realistic about what type of rider you are" - Very wise words for ANY bike related purchase Doddy.
26" would allow wheels to be lighter and stronger than the equivalent 27.5/29". Bring back 26" at least in the rear
Finaly #Doddy Quality #DoddyQuality video! was waiting for this for ages.
Doddy please go back on doing more videos like this1.
Great video Doddy. I have an Ibis Ripmo AF that came with the Ibis Blackbird 35mm internal rims. Here in Phoenix, AZ everything is a rock garden and I have never had any issues - and no tire inserts. For XC, I feel like running a lightweight tire with an insert defeats the purpose but maybe the insert weight is negligible.
Great Video Doddy. I feel like I learned a lot with this one. Being on the heavy side I feel I am more equipped now to choose the proper wheels and tires. Thank you
I love that my ripmo af came with 35 mm internal width rims.
This has fast become one of my favorite channels. I'm on the larger side of things at around 240 lbs (110kg?). I'm not a big jumper, or dropper (well not on purpose anyway). But I'm also not the most graceful of riders. So I go for overbuilt every time. I'm running I9's Grade 300 on my Levo and their Enduro 305 V3's on my Ripmo. 90% of my riding is typical trail/AM.
Really good vid. As a tall heavier rider since the 80s I've always struggled to find a wheel that didn't go out of true and usually go for a stronger heavier wheel in alloy due to cost. Currently run Hunt enduro wide on trail bike and Hunt trail wide on XC bike lol. Thanks Doddy, great having someone in the know with a similar body size.
We're glad the video helped you! Yeah, it's a common issue we find with taller and heavier riders. It's easy to say carbon wheels are the way to go, but that's unrealistic in most cases. It sounds like you've got a good wheelset! Safe riding! 👍
Thanks Doddy, for another video. The channel is great. I'm from Nampa, Idaho in the US. Riding a Polygon Siskiu D7
Here I am with my Berg carbon 30mm ID rims and Extralite hubs (1150grams for the set) on my Stumpjumper.
Such a capable combination and mix of performance vs endurance.
Have them running now with Maxxis Ardent front and Maxxis Ikon back but when I go do more dedicated trail riding I switch it to Hans Dampf front and Nobby Nic back.
Great material, very educative.
Great info. Also need to mention compliance vs stiff to the point of deflection. Aluminum rims are usually more compliant and carbon, stiff. But carbon wheels can be made to be compliant as well. If the wheels are too stiff, they can actually slow you down in technical sections or cause you to loose control. Lots to consider.
Thank you Doddy!! Your a great Teacher!!
You're welcome! We're stoked you found this useful! 🤘
Great video Doddy.
Got a SB130LR with Hope Fortus 35.
Do everything from park to XC on those and just change the tyre if I’m not being lazy.
Great video. Just this week for some new DT Swiss XM481 rims with CXRay spokes for a trail bike.
Nobby Nic tyres are my go to.
Nice, I built a set of FR560s for my Ripmo last year, best upgrade I've done to that bike
Another top overview! - I'd love to give some lighter Carbon Enduro wheels a go - but until then my DT EX511 (30mm) are pretty much perfect for most riding I do.
@Tim Sadler I am planning to upgrade to DT EX511 rims from my WTB i23 rims, which are a bit too light. I imagine that they will be indestructible for the type of riding I do. Still keeping an eye out for any major bargains on carbon wheelsets in online sales though. I like that aluminium rims are recyclable .... which doesn't really apply to carbon.
After years of 30+ mm wheels I purposely fitted 25mm XC rims to my trailbike to get the tread rounded, it worked.
But yeah at 1860 grams with tape and valves for alloys they are almost as light as the ibis carbon wheels on my hardtail...
I'm 78 kilos and I live in the mountains, lots of rock gardens I was sure I'd bust that wheelset pretty fast but I was prepared to replace rims since they were cheap, ehh thing is I get far less rock strikes with the 25mm!!!
Great video Doddy, riding on a COMMENCAL META 29 AM E-Thirteen trs wheels, looking to upgrade, 80kg with gear but my riding became trail and ¨light¨ enduro, thanks! cheers🤟
If you like the E-Thirteen rims I'd probably just go up to their enduro rims. The TRS rims are definitely underspecced for the type of riding the META AM is intended for. Or just go all out and get DT Swiss FR541s, which are the most bomb proof alloy rim money can buy
The stiffness of my Intense/Ethirteen Enduro Carbon wheels compared to the stock aluminum WTB i27 wheelset was dramatic, and it brought my Intense 951XC bike to life! The damping and rolling characteristics of those 29er carbon wheels gave me confidence to attack anything without worry!
Thanks for the support and glad to hear the wheels are treating you well!!
The joy of installing Tannus on a downhill casing tire! All my other bike mechanics know what I'm talking about.
In wet conditions, do XC tires have less traction? If I want an all around bike, does that mean I need different pairs of tires; XC fast rolling, trail wet grip, and downhill thread?
Just in time, i have been trying to figure this out all week
Why don't you guys link all the products you talk about in the description for us to click and buy? :)
nice EWS Whistler 2022 footage
What about rim width and it's ability to affect tire roll?
Love Ya Mr D !
This is perfect I’m in the market looking for a new set of rims
I am looking for a budget pair of wheels for my hardtail which i use for XC. I found Shimano WH-MT500 (24 spokes).. My weight is about 90kg. Do you believe that i' ll have problems, or 24 spokes wheels have about the same rigidity with my old no-name 32 spoke wheel which held well?
lucky me I'm superlight at 56kg/185cm, might not even need inserts with modern wheels. I do tend to be hard on rims though, cheap oldschool 26" wheels just cannot handle bunny hops or charging onto sidewalks/short stairs, that's why i use tannus armour insert
2019 Specialized Chisel Expert with a set of 30mm ID Hunt Wide Trail V2's with S. Ground Control T7 GRID 29x2.35 wide tyres and Rimpact inserts both front and rear. May sound like an odd combination, XC hardtail with 100mm of travel with Trail wheels.
Well you are running XC tires on it still. Ground Controls are the grippy XC tires like a Maxxis Rekon.
I have still managed to put a dent in my Spank vibrocore 359. Granted I was running 22ish psi, I'm now running 32 psi and I still feel the rim bang on a rock occationaly.
Every spank dents, but they won't fatigue at least
I’ve been looking at new wheels for my hardtail bike, I don’t ride hard enough and fancied a pair of hope fortus 26 in 27.5 should be fine for my riding and strong enough for even enduro hope said
#askgmbntech I want to go across the Alps from Germany to Italy (14000m of elevation) on trails, on my trail bike (140/150mm). I am having Newmen Evolution SL A.30 wheelset (30mm) and I have no idea which kind of tire should I choose. Could you suggest something quick rolling with enough protection. Thank you 🙏
I think a fairly regular trail tire would do the job nicely, maybe use a faster rolling rear so something like an Assegai/Dissector or DHF/Dissector in Maxxis tires, or like a Mazza/Agarro in Vittoria tires and stick with regular trail casings (EXO in Maxxis) unless you're expecting a lot of rocky trails then maybe consider an enduro casing (EXO+ or DD in Maxxis)
After seeing carbon wheels shatter I will only consider weight certified alloys. Frame and components also weight certified alloy. I spent sometime challenging UK wheel suppliers for certification and rated weight for their wheels. Only Hope could offer a real response. I ended up with DT Swiss wheels (non UK) as their weight limit was higher at 150 Kg.
DT Swiss makes great wheels, just make sure you get the rims that suit your riding style and weight, as they have a huge range of rims. I run FR560s on my bike and love em despite being on the heavy side.
@@mrvwbug4423 I weight 96kg so H1900 30mm, I was not so much worried about weight as certified weight limit of 150kg as they are fitted to my Emtb which gets used for going down alpine passes as speeds that bother roadies. I found out in the exercise of checking each component on my bike that the manufacturer actually specifies a weight limit for the whole bike of 125kg (bike and rider) the bike weighs 25kg. so new ergon handlebars and stem, larger brakes and the wheels. It's all very nice that Doddy mentions the lifetime guarantee of the carbon wheels but I am trying my best to guarantee my life by not fitting carbon wheels in the first place.
Because hope build there parts to last a while. I’m fancying a pair of hope fortus 26mm internal for my bike. I don’t ride hard enough or use larger tyres, hope said they’d be more than enough for my riding xc light trail.
@@woduk Good choice
I use alloy enduro wheels on my Canon Strive
so the amount of spokes doesn't matter?
I always liked the round wheels.
It is one of the best shapes for a wheel.
Strong? Yes, but light weight enought? Never 😅. Even the carbon ones are too heavy, it is difficult to find a pair in 1kg or even in 1.4kg. I still remember that ones with sould kozak hubs and very light weight rims (ZTR something) in 26, less than a Kg. Now I ride 27.5 (will never go to 29" again) and mine are 1,485kg and are the cross max SL .. SL? Going custom will be the solution. Of course i´m a XC- all mountain rider. Not enduro etc
Wheels on my XC bike are aluminium rims with 28mm internal width at 1460 grams. Why can't carbon wheels go way below that?
What wheels do you have?
@@shwndh American Classic Race MTB 29. They're no longer in business, but I've had these wheels since 2014 and they are still true and I have not needed to straighten them yet. I weigh 85kg, so not really light and I ride about 2000 km per year (offroad). /edit: I see they are actually 24mm internal width. My bad.
A Good Pair of Light Wheels? Not for heavy riders. Nor brutal riders. Bought a light rear wheel. Not really worth-it due to only a few grams being removed. however the thinner, less material making the wheel lightweight, has a severe penalty for heavy riders. Both of the light wheels had the nipples breaking through the rim. And the spoke tension was so freakn' tight that upon hitting a tree rut, I could hear the ping sound metal makes when breaking from the hub. If ya weigh under 180 pounds, and can afford-it, lightweight gram weenie components are okay. I also found that wide rims are a no-go for heavy riders. Try to stick with 26-30mm internal width rims. Narrower, is stronger for heavy riders.
What I don't understand is why is anyone buying anything other than DT Swiss?
I much prefer alu but I’ll ride carbon if it’s in the bike till they crack.
My ebike came with a set of ethirteen dh wheels. If they were made of butter I swear they’d be more durable and tougher. Absolute garbage. This is a cool vid but would be nice to cross reference to other more common brands like dt for example since I don’t have any idea about ethirteen wheels and don’t care to know based on how bad my experience was.
Its the same for raceface. You see no pros using them, Google reviews with 50+ reviewer's all say the same thing.
They just installed them and love them. They went through a rock garden and dented them hard.
E-thirteen paid for this video 😂
@@janeblogs324 Melamed just won an EWS title on Raceface AR30s
Building a new back wheel, wanted weight savings but couldn’t afford carbon.
Solution ?
26” instead of 27.5” so much weight saved for the same moneys ‼️
24 spokes and stiff and secure are oppossites
If they break, it means I need some new ones.
That’s exactly my kind of thing…
I‘m riding a titanium trail Hardtail in a…let’s say a bit harder down country style. Wheels i‘m using are handmade with Newmen SL carbon rims (28hole) with 30mm id, TrailMech XC hubs from ukraine and Sapim Laser spokes. Wheels are around 1450g in 29“. Tires are Onza Porcupines in 2.40 front and back with trail casing (850g each), i’ve installed a Cushcore Trail in the rear wheel. Pretty happy with this choice so far… 👍
Awesome good to no 👍❤🤘
Thanks! We're glad you found this video useful!
There's still no Z in insert Doddy.
XC wheel manufacturers: we want to offer the most lightweight rims, to keep the weight down and we even sacrifice stability to save a few grams by reducing the number of spokes similar to road bike wheels
Also XC wheel manufacturers: we increase the wheel size to 29, so we need more material (adds weight) and the tires are heavier too, additionally we sacrifice even more stability with this increase in size compared to 27,5 or old style 26
The tradeoff is worth it for XC as 29ers just pedal more efficiently, there's a reason you don't see 650bs on XC bikes anymore, even though it would allow for an even lighter bike.
@@mrvwbug4423 I have an 658B XC from 2019. I always wonder why people who just cycle for fun do expensive tradeoffs just to be faster a couple of seconds.
I can understand if professionals do that (a couple of seconds can mean the difference between win or lose) but any hobby rider don't really benefits but has the disadvantages
I think I'll get a pair of BMX wheels with 36 spokes for the strongest wheel for my mountain bike
Why not go for some mid skool 48s
buying a boost hub to try this, but 36 spokes hard to come by
any suggestions 🤔
trying to find a 36 spoke rear hub for micro spline in boost , any suggestions
and pedal like a rabid hamster haha
In short, less tpi is stronger the tire is..60 tpi that is
That is not a hard and fast rule. Example, Maxxis EXO casing (their trail casing) is 60tpi, but their EXO+ casing (enduro casing) is 120tpi
As a fatty and I ride dt swiss ex511
Same, as a bigger rider who likes to get sendy, I have a set of FR560s on my Ripmo
@@mrvwbug4423 I was thinking about trying those out if the 511's fail on me. im also only 2yrs into mountain biking
Up here in the pacific northwest, basically everyone and their mother just runs ex511 (including me) there's really no other wheel you would ever need
Running hunt enduro wheels on my YT Jeffsy.
Unless you enjoy buying wheels for fun just stick with the strong ones that don't bend and buckle 😂
Good advice! 😂😂
in the good old days, a solid set of steelies did a grand job. rust included 😂