Common MTB Suspension Mistakes To Avoid!
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Our resident tech expert Doddy certainly knows a thing or two about suspension tuning, and in this detailed video, he's here to explain some common mistakes even the most seasoned of riders can make, how to avoid them, and how to properly adjust and set your suspension on almost any trail bike!
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You should make a video in which you setup your suspension in a normal way and then with a telemetry kit and compare those and then also set it up like a world cup racer suspension and compare that
This is the best simple explanation of suspension I've ever heard. Doddy has the deep knowledge but also has the rare skill of being able to explain it to his audience.
Doddy, you always say lots of “links below” but they are never there.
@@beat1stellung No, they are the standard links for every video. He says he’ll add specific ones.
@@winerrider Ah, I see.
I thought im dumb because I never find links
He referred to it being in the description twice as well. Very annoying
Not his fault it’s the producers
is It just me or can others not see or find the links mentioned about the Fork body weight air pressure links?
I would add one more Doddy, and it's a big one.... Not writing down your settings. Once you have your baseline settings you have got to write them down somewhere so as you sneak up to your optimal settings (and write every single change down) then you always have a place to get back to.
One of the best video's I have seen thanks Doddy. When the rain stops I am going tuning.
I've been trying to learn all about this subject recently as a true beginner and I have to say yours is the best explanation I have found. Thanks 😊
This is AMAZING!! Thank you for providing this plethora of information all in one place!!
Glad you found this useful, Paul! Safe Riding! 👍
Finally, a suspension tutorial that makes sense past the setting sag step.
the best thing I ever did was spend time and set up my suspension I swear I was way faster and felt more confident on drops and tech if you got in to biking by a pump watch some videos and get ready to shredy.
thanks doddy I swear I've watched you for a little over a year and that you have basically helped me build and work on all my bikes.
Hey, Erik! Thanks for your support! It's crazy how beneficial having the perfect setup is. It inspires so much confidence as you spend less time thinking about the bike and more on the trail you're riding.👍
Very sturdy, and easy to clean.Excellent product
Top quality tips here. This is a great tutorial for both beginners and advanced riders alike.
Thanks, Jeffery! Thanks for the feedback. It's great to see that we can appeal all riding abilities with this one! 👍
Great video Doddy and I now have a much better understanding of my Mega’s suspension and going to check my pressures and settings 👌🏻
Glad you found this one useful! It's well worth a good check! 👍
Ex motocross racer here and that is a great explanation of how and how not to set up suspension! Thank you Doddy! Oh, and I love my top of the line Fox fork and shock on my new MTB 👍✊
That was awesome Doddy thanks heaps for all the knowledge Love your work mate🤠
Great video, thanks for the infos 🙏🙏
This is a great video Doddy. I just bought a new MTB and had no clue as to what my suspension could do. As I just upgraded from a 10 yr old hardtail so lots of this info is new to me. As you were talking about the air port on the front forks, I took a look and mine has one. Go figure. I didn't even know it was there. Anyhow, this was great timing so now I can set up my bike properly and ready for a great 2022 ride season.
This was what I needed and explained wonderfully 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
Excellent video! I was wrong all this time about low and high speed compression. And the info on dynamic spring rate was great too..I have more tuning to do before spring! :)
I just use the recommended setting then turn the knobs a click either way as I ride to see what it does. I don't think I'm good enough for any dialed setup to make a real difference haha. I think as long as you don't have your suspension way out of wack like super stiff or half as much air pressure as you need then you should be just fine.
My thoughts exactly. Haha
wow - very good, if not the best video about all those topics!!
Very informative.
Love these videos!
Very good information in lamen terms 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Excellent video. I love this format.
Clearly explained without going to, deep in the woods. Pun intended.
You can also chase suspension settings forever and so never get used to how the bike handles. Get it somewhere near, leave it and ride it more!
Why have I not watched this vid before now!
I understand about lsc, hsc, etc but every possible option of adjustment was explained in easy, understandable segments that a noob could confidently set their own up.
Doddies infinite wisdom even gave me a few tips I didn't think about when setting my own suspension.
Brilliant video. Ty
Thanks, Brian!
Wow 👌 I new very little about how to and know I have a better understanding of how to do this 🙃 thank you that's awesome info.
tbf, there are better videos out there to help with suspension setup. They actually SHOW you what to do. Seb Stott's 10 minute suspension setup video is very good.
Glad you found this one useful! Thanks for the support! 👍
Really great to see you cover dynamic sag here, Doddy! Like you say, car-park sag is where to start, but the key is to bring the pump along and tune further for actual riding conditions, not least descent grades.
Exactly Dynamic sag or 'race' sag, will always be different than static sag. Something worth looking at for basic reference and understanding is how to setup sag on a Motocross dirt bike.
Great points about dynamic sag, never heard a MTB'er get into that. refreshing!!(coming from an MX background)
well done! thought I was good at setting up my suspension but didn't know to setup SAG in the fully open position - makes sense when you think about it!
Cheers, Ian! At least you're good to go now! 👍
I grew up riding north shore style trails here in BC and always set up 20% front / 45% rear sag to reflect the angle of the trail and features.
Would love to know more about setting my Reactor up for the bike park…with a focus on jumping doubles and doing big drops.
16:41 this is how i broke my leg in 2018. Hit a drop off i didn't know was there and the rebound on the rear shock was set so fast\stiff that when my weight went forward the shock unloaded and flipped the bike 7 feet in the air with me and my leg clamped to it by the handlebars.
Ouch that sounds like a rough one! Having the correct rebound speed can be one of the most important factors when setting up a bike. 😬
Great episode, Doddy!)/* Suspension has come a long way and this was a well thought out and densely packed refresher..) Thanks!
Many thanks. Got my first full suspension bike and it is great to have it all explained so clearly.
Brilliant and fantastic explanation as always Doddy, going to have to watch this a few times to take in all the info. I also like the fact that you cover all biking styles and not so race focused as other presenters as I feel this appeals more to the majority of viewers who don't race. I do wonder if tire pressures can positively/negatively effect the suspension system settings?
Thanks so much for the support! It's important we make videos like this accessible to everyone as all riding abilities need a good suspension setup. Tyre pressure has a small effect on the suspension. For example, running high-pressure tyres will mean more energy is transferred into the fork or shock as your tyre movement is reduced. However, a low-pressure tyre will move more and put less load/energy into the fork or shock. Therefore using less of its travel. We hope this helps!
Nice explanation, Doddy. Thank you. Can you do a similar video using a tubeless tire? The problem I always have with those is getting the bead to seat against the rim, because the air leaks out of the tire past the rim and there's nothing to stop it. I do one of two things. First, I use an air compressor with the regulator turned to a very high pressure. Failing that, I take it to the local shop and have them do it. But your suggestion of soapy water on the rim could be just the ticket for tubeless tires.
Can you do a piece on the Rockshox Megneg and how that changes setup ? Maybe show how a Shockwiz works for setting up the bike too ??
The MegNeg is one of the best things I've done to my bike. The literature on it is pretty self explanatory. It increases air volume, so you need to increase air pressure. The beauty of the 'neg is that it allows you to add mid support through the red bands (I believe that's what they're called). Such a great improvement to my bike. I believe the '22 Norco Sight's are coming spec'ed with them.
Very helpful. Im running a a 20+ year old rockshox duke lol.
Good stuff
Sunday morning it's time for Doddy's suspension masterclass🙏🏻
But for yourself, write down all the changes you do to your suspension!
Haha! Make sure you've got your notepad and pen! 😅 Thanks for the support!
That reactor is gorgeous, he's got a matching lid too!
The Nukeproof Reactor is a very beautiful bike! 👍
Yes to rebound damping, totally get that. But you're saying you shouldn't run the compression damping dial totally open? Mine just has two padlock symbols - one closed and one open - so I always have it open. I didn't think I would ever want even partial lockout, but you're saying we should?
#gmbntech best suspension video I’ve seen in a really long time. Thank you!! Would someone use the same settings for normal fun riding as they would racing enduro?
The "not enough low speed compression" is a good one. I like to dial in 60% low speed comp on my fork while keeping the PSI on the tad lower side. Keeps it plush AND supportive in pumps.
And how does it work? What's your goal with this setting? Still trying to set my Pike 2015 well...
Thanks!
@@GaedeRafael My 2017 Sektor Silver just doesn't configure well - it's a budget fork that came with my bike. In theory, I want my initial input to be resisted so that I can push the bike into the rollers so low speed compression damping "should" help there. Keeping the overall PSI lower "should" help absorb small bumps. I need a Pike/Yari/Lyrik!
Dude you left Trek off the list.... great vid and very helpful.
Really beautiful bike
The Orbea Rallon is very good looking! 😎
Informative & good, Doddy!
Do you/anyone think I'll find any Sag-info of my RockShock SID Race (Dual Air) from 2001 somewhere?
You are great !!!! I like to see your authoritative video. You are the Bible of mountain bike suspensions tecniques. Have a great Day 🙂
Class is in session!
Best free suspension advice.
Thanks, Dan! Glad you found the video useful! 👍
Always struggled with suspension making adjustments and nothing happening….just took my bike to Brink!👌🏻 sorted, a lot different to the recommended settings completely custom sag, pressures, settings etc! Bike rides so much better!
Hi! It can be hard to get the perfect setup. If you struggle, it's well worth going to see a professional. Having a good setup is key to building confidence on your bike! 👍
Hey Doddy, i cant find the links for the suspention setup in the description. :/ I need help guys. Great Video btw, now i have much better unterstanding of my New Canyon 125. Just arrived yesterday. :)
So before setting the sag, make sure to COUNTERclockwise compression all the way?
Hy Doddy, great video but you forgot to add the links with the charts, please put them on :)
Hi Doddy, great info as usual. One issue I have is setting the pressure accurately for two reasons. 1. The resolution on the gauge isn't fine enough to judge 1 or 2PSI changes. 2. Even worse, it's impossible to disconnect the pump without losing air. I use a RockShox pump on my RockShox fork and shock. If I connect it, pump the shock to 180Psi, disconnect and reconnect, It will show about 170PSI. I assume that whatever I set it to, it is less once the pump is disconnected. The trouble is, I can't assume it drops exactly 10PSI every time. It might be 9 or 11, and there goes the 2PSI I'm chasing.
Whenever you release the pump from the valve, the air escaping comes from the hose on the pump. Not typically from your air chamber.
So the reason the pressure is lower when you reconnect is because it has to refill the volume of the pump with air from the air chamber.
So don't worry about it losing air on the disconnect you're losing air on the reconnect.
You can also half reconnnect the pump and then pump up the tube before fully connecting it to the shock thereby not losing any preasure
One or 2 PSI won't get you as far as practicing for the same amount of time you're spending trying to get your bike dialed. But I'm biased on the other end of the spectrum and tend to be relatively loose with anything that's not directly related to safety or reliability.
There is no link for suspension setup charts on the description. Am I missing that? TFtuned is a great guidance as well.
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I just increased the travel of my RockShox recon fork from 130 to 150mm. Should I add more air to compensate for the larger volume available since I remove the 20mm runner spacer? Thanks
Great theory
Always been told to set my sag then rebound then work on low and high speed compression
Better same worse system
so this video was a bit confusing the first watch but the theory was well explained
This video is brilliant! thank you Daddy (if I may call you so). It's great how you explain things that can be quite confusing so simply, yet retaining the essence of it. I'm reasonably familiar with suspensions yet there are always a few (and important) gems to pick up. Thank you
Glad you found the video useful! Doddy did a great job on this one. There were so many great little tips and tricks! 👍
I expect calling him by his name is just fine 🤨
🤣🤣He likes it when you call him Daddy... 🤣🤣😅
@@themightygoose1 🤣
#AskGMBNTech Very very useful video. One question: What is meant by „clicks from fully closed“? Does the squishy bit after the last click count or is the last indent the reference?
Is there much difference in considering the set up of a coil fork?
Im sorry if i missed to understand about this, but i have a question about my fork. I'm kinda new to mtb world so forgive me. I have a coil fork which i bought with the description of a 110-120 travel but is currently playing around 70-75 at max. Is this how it's supposed to play? Thanks for your responses in advance.
Fork's SR suntour
I’m going to have to watch this a few times for it to sink in
Completely missed out volume spacers and fit 4 damper one photo of the top of a 3 switch fit 4 damper and only the one rebound setting it would be good if he explained the difference in this or is there a fit4 shock set up in the playlist?
Extremely helpful and concise. Much thanks to you. Regarding the less sag/more low speed compression comment: Can I interpret that as meaning the fork will ride a little stiffer generally compared to more sag w less low speed compression? I just want to understand accurately. Thx.
Hi Kyle, That's right! The less sag you have, the stiffer the fork will be. Therefore, limiting your low-speed compression. Hope this helps! 👍
Also, thanks for the support! It means a lot to us! 👊
#Doddy, did I somehow miss the section on High Speed compression?
With motorbike suspension I found making little changes was very hard to spot the differences...
I would set my rebound in large steps and do the same set of whoops or small jump, and note the difference... the same with compression... (tho with older bikes really the rear shock only had on the fly adjustment).
I definitely agree with the "often people have no compression and rely on sag... even I am guilty of this trying to get supple out of a set of Rockshock Totem that are a little overkill for my Mediocre riding...
Also with the motorbikes you wanted to set the shocks to just bottom out on the largest jump so you knew you were using the most of the travel... I notice I'm not using the last 2" of my Totems and that may be that I've gone for more air and less compression... I need to play...
That's alot to process. I always feel like I'm guessing on my suspension set up. I'll see if I can sort this all out and apply it!
i changed my coil shock to a firmer spring because i was riding in the midstroke (>35% sag). now it feels great, but it is trying to murder me on every jump. increased rebound damping but it now feels weird...
I usually bottom out on my rear shock but never comes close to the end on the suspension. Sag is ok on both. What can I do?
I don’t see the suspension chart links???
I have a 2021 Giant Trance Advance Pro 29-1. It came with fox 34 forks, I would like to swap the fork to fox 38 top of the line fork?🤔 what is your thoughts on my planned upgrade? I want a professional/expert input. Thanks
I still need a digital pressure gauge! After riding for almost a year on a setup I thought was suited to my riding style (relatively hard yet slow), I've dropped the pressure by some margin (no idea how much) and gone one click faster on rebound. Now it feels as if it's almost boggy/poppy, lacking that good platform that allows me to push the bike into corners. Hopefully I can find a nice middleground soon! (If you have any tips pls let me know)👍
Boggy and poppy are two different things. Boggy is slow rebound, poppy is fast. First make sure your air pressure is correct. After that you can play with the other settings to get what you want. Usually people that complain about not feeling suspension support in corners get good results by increasing their LSC (low speed compression), but if your air pressure is off change that first.
Hey Chris, Digital pressure gauges are such useful pieces of kit. If you're finding it's too boggy, try adding a little bit more air and perhaps increase your rebound slightly. It's good to put some time aside to play around with what works for you in terms of pressure and rebound. Hope this helps! 👍
Hi guys I need a help so there is a clicking noise from my forks lower and fells like there is a play there too , what's the diagnosis.
Thankyou so much
I had set my suspension relatively stiff for the jump lines at the local park, and then went to ride the double black rooty stuff, and had arm pump before I could make it to the bottom. It frickin hurts
how about putting 140mm fork to 120mm default bike?in my case bobcat trail 4
That with the fox float shock I've never seen anyone doing that nor have I come across it on the pdf I'm working with trying to set my float x up at the moment so is that what I need to do leave the pump attached and cycle the shock 25% 10 times? Or is thos just for that DPX2 shock? Totally confused
So I should set my sag without any rebound applied too, am I understanding this right? Because until now, I always have set it with rebound already applied ….
Great vid, I'll set my Sus up this wknd, bet I still hit 🌳
Not removing compression dampening before setting static sag... man I've missed doing this :-\ Time to have a look at static sag again :-)
I got a new embt a couple weeks ago setting
Up the shocks next jsut fitted that invisaframe! But just noticed my fox 38 170mm max PSI is 140! DvO amd rock shox can take atleast 220psi with all my gear kn my recommendation settings are blown out the water well shock bladder I should be saying! So what's the script we fox 38s can't use for heavier guys looking to loose weight plus gear on and its an Ebike so weight on top that this is why I can't get out on it just been sitting in the hall since frame stuff went on I just got volume spacers today from fox but I need help lol
19:50 do you mean better to run more sag and more low speed compression? All other things being equal, more compression damping would make the suspension more firm? So more low speed compression would allow less air (more sag), and be preferable to running less sag (e.g. 20%) and compression fully open?
..where are the links to the manufacturers pages for the settings?
Anyone know why both my Shock and the Fork on the Orbea Occam H20 LT don't have a sticker with an ID or setup on them?
I always understood high speed was the short sharp hit from rough ground and low speed was the bigger but more gradual hits from jumps. If I understood you correctly I need to reverse my understanding - correct?
Im a rider of 134kg im 6ft 4” my fox 36 dont specify my weight so its hard to judge on set up any tips?
The biggest issue I find is getting the balance between plushness and ultimate support.
On the fast rat-tat-tat-tat stuff my bike transmits most of the vibration through to me (at the top of the stroke so not due to packing in from excessive rebound damping). It's unpleasant and I have little grip. This is also despite running toward the upper end of the sag range.
I also use about 95-99% travel frequently.
In my shock I'm running the largest volume spacer permissable (0.95in^3 on a DPS) and I'm still working on the fork (currently 1 token but will be switching to 2 again and seeing if I can work that.
The shock is currently working the best it ever has but I only have air pressure left to play with now 👎
The Fox 34 is okay.. Nice setup for medium level of riding, not my hardest riding and it's a bit harsh on gentler stuff.
Exactly what i experienced with my fox 34 rhythm and dps shock.
I tried to ask devinci a question about suspension for my 2021 Troy and got a non answer. Specifically if they recommend swapping out from an air shock to a coil. They simply replied that if I put the wrong stroke length it would void my warranty. Some bike manufacturers just don’t care
How bike geeky are you?
I have gold compression/rebound dials and a manual pos/neg mechanism.
Where are the suspension setup links?
16:43 what is the little absorber at the side of the fork?
Is it possible to all out delete a shock spring out of a bicycle?
Why are the links never put into the description?
Where the links at?
Does suspension platform have much to do with pedal kickback? Noticing it a lot in the back of my NP Giga when in progressive setting, to the point where it almost feels like a step in the travel of the shock #askgmbntech
The actual first step should be to set your tire pressure first. Set tire pressure to your riding pressure
where's the links?
Many years ago when I had my Townsend ridgid frame mountain bike I thought to myself 'I wish you could get bikes with suspension?" At one time Raleigh made a bike with a rubber bulb elastomer rear suspension with only about 2" travel but nothing at the front. Now its great we have suspension and bigger wheels and tyres.
The Raleigh Activator and then the dual suspension activator 2. Terrible bikes. I lusted after the proflex bikes with slightly more refined lumps of yellow plastic for suspension.