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  • @Enndorii
    @Enndorii Pƙed 3 lety +2994

    Just let Finka pick herself up. If Doc can do it then she should be able to as well, because they are both tied to their gadgets.

    • @trashythedemon4867
      @trashythedemon4867 Pƙed 3 lety +419

      Makes even more sense since finka just has to squeeze her hand, doc has to grab the stim pistol and bring it up to his wrist

    • @yeahboi4228
      @yeahboi4228 Pƙed 3 lety +185

      No thats impossible how somebody can touch their arm while downed (sarcasm)

    • @kirbyis4ever
      @kirbyis4ever Pƙed 3 lety +174

      @@trashythedemon4867 Jams it into his thigh, but basically the same thing - Finka is LITERALLY an attacking healer. I have no idea why she can't pick herself up or keep the health from a heal, but instead gets a bunch of other buffs and also tints my screen edges blue and gives me a weird sound effect every time it's used.

    • @trashythedemon4867
      @trashythedemon4867 Pƙed 3 lety +24

      @@kirbyis4ever oh that's right I forgot, he does the wrist when he self heals, not revives. My bad

    • @ariframennoodles8028
      @ariframennoodles8028 Pƙed 3 lety +12

      @@trashythedemon4867 and has to carefully inject it into his veins and not his arteries or some random place

  • @rodmonk2369
    @rodmonk2369 Pƙed 3 lety +2210

    You forgot Ash's passive ability, dodging all bullets

    • @ibex1735
      @ibex1735 Pƙed 3 lety +100

      not having a head hitbox

    • @whoknows8500
      @whoknows8500 Pƙed 3 lety +39

      Ash’s main ability is desync

    • @ariframennoodles8028
      @ariframennoodles8028 Pƙed 3 lety +43

      Ash's ability is moving at the speed of light

    • @martind5653
      @martind5653 Pƙed 3 lety +41

      You guys laughing but unless it was fixed since then she is still literally missing 25% of her head hitbox and nobody complains about fairness of that.

    • @KitKat-lp8gn
      @KitKat-lp8gn Pƙed 3 lety +10

      Ash's ability is to play like she doesn't have a gadget

  • @EJCT777
    @EJCT777 Pƙed 3 lety +612

    I think after seeing the whole withstand issue go down I have some understanding of the divide in the Siege community. Casual players want siege to remain more casual like it was early on, because that’s how they enjoy the game, while competitive players want the game to become more of a competitive e-sports style game, because that will make the game more successful. The Devs agree with the competitive camp, and balance the game accordingly, which results in the casual fanbase feeling left out and/or looked down on, and when things like Withstand being removed (a “casual” feature being removed in favor of competitiveness) this animosity flares up like we’re seeing now.
    In the end Casual players look at Competitive players as assholes trying to make the game less fun for them, while Competitive players look at Casual players as ignorant idiots holding the game back.

    • @cgk1276
      @cgk1276 Pƙed 3 lety +71

      This. Casuals genuinely feel like the PL types dislike them because they hold the game back.

    • @skiddykun4552
      @skiddykun4552 Pƙed 3 lety +95

      This sorta happened with Fortnite I'm pretty sure.They focused too much on the competitive scene and sorta made the game feel more boring.

    • @bharatsurya9017
      @bharatsurya9017 Pƙed 3 lety +124

      Imagine playing a game for fun smh

    • @shuraamano
      @shuraamano Pƙed 3 lety +129

      Keep favoring Competitive and their viewers and player numbers will surely tank.

    • @skiddykun4552
      @skiddykun4552 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@bharatsurya9017 😞

  • @PhD_Flopper
    @PhD_Flopper Pƙed 3 lety +561

    withstand wouldn't be broken if everyone was able to get up...
    SO LETS GIVE IT TO RECRUIT

    • @bobey5022
      @bobey5022 Pƙed 3 lety +86

      This is the single most based hottake yet, Im FULLY on board for recruit to get withstand.
      A wider weapon selection and more gadgets is nice, but a withstand would make recruit into an actually full fledged operator who while no exceling in anything (Making them still worse than an actual op), has enough unique stuff going for them to not be a complete meme
      Also recruit rushing would be alot funnier, especially on defense if someone goes rook

    • @spongsquad
      @spongsquad Pƙed 3 lety

      @itsjoendx no

    • @AcceptGamingDKD
      @AcceptGamingDKD Pƙed 3 lety +8

      Recruit needs to have access to every ops main gadget

    • @CarverStarver
      @CarverStarver Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Good perk

    • @ultimatepunster5850
      @ultimatepunster5850 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Yes. Recruit is the ultimate meme operator. Fuck you Tachanka. Recruit is where the shitpost status really resides.
      5v5 Recruit vs Recruit right now! Frags and Flashbangs only.

  • @josemanuelrodriguez401
    @josemanuelrodriguez401 Pƙed 3 lety +620

    I love how we can all agree that Finka should be able to get herself up in the same way Doc does. Like, Doc has to get the stim pistol out, and inyect it into his leg. How can Finka not be able to PRESS A BUTTON ON HER GLOVE? Come on Ubi, it's a no brainer.

    • @samo9613
      @samo9613 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      We don't all agree bruh
      Getting rid of zof's ability is enough
      No need to allow finka to revive herself if she already has a positive winrate and can revive multiple teammates remotely, that's an unnecessary buff imo

    • @everythingvanish7286
      @everythingvanish7286 Pƙed 3 lety +37

      @@samo9613 ah yes. It is all about the stupid statistics while the logic is being thrown away. Also where’s the logic zofia can withstand herself lol. The non necessary things come from siege dev make me feel sick.

    • @samo9613
      @samo9613 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      Then what is logic if you're not looking at the facts and statistics?
      To me it just doesn't make sense to buff a character that is already balanced.
      I agree with you though that it doesn't make sense for zof to self-revive

    • @dr.cranium9080
      @dr.cranium9080 Pƙed 3 lety +14

      @@everythingvanish7286 why would u care about logic in a video game lol, imagine if everything was realistic and IQ could see Warden's electronic glasses, guns could jam, nanobots wouldn't exist, finka's gun wouldn't even be a gun because its a bullpup concept, caviera's pistol one shot head shots even when you use her skill, why would an elite team be given 40 seconds to prep for an assult anyways?

    • @supertboi123
      @supertboi123 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      @@samo9613 statistics are not facts in themselves. a number does not mean the buff is not beneficial or fair.

  • @Conner100
    @Conner100 Pƙed 3 lety +1271

    I probably only used zofias withstand successfully 5 times in 3 years lol

    • @mattgray7589
      @mattgray7589 Pƙed 3 lety +49

      Exactly

    • @m4TT5
      @m4TT5 Pƙed 3 lety +38

      Still doesn’t belong in a competitive game

    • @HuggyBuddyOwO
      @HuggyBuddyOwO Pƙed 3 lety +46

      @@m4TT5 well which part do you want? Playing the game competetively, or capable on having a lore become one of her ability?

    • @m4TT5
      @m4TT5 Pƙed 3 lety +68

      @@HuggyBuddyOwO what I’m saying is that it makes no sense in a competitive game to give an already strong character a random ability (that has the potential to win rounds) because of lore

    • @recoraccoon
      @recoraccoon Pƙed 3 lety +3

      yet they gonna remove it anyway

  • @Nebsgame
    @Nebsgame Pƙed 3 lety +186

    Literally the only reason people got so outraged by her withstand is because one pro league game got turned around by this mechanic because the other team was bad

    • @vctorbosak938
      @vctorbosak938 Pƙed 3 lety +52

      The ProLeague is full of hypocrite babies

    • @thechikage1091
      @thechikage1091 Pƙed 3 lety +66

      This is the big brain take. If you down a zofia and don't call that out, having your entire team keep weary of that, especially at the pro level, you don't deserve the win.

    • @krinos1
      @krinos1 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@vctorbosak938ok can i ask how they are hypocritical?

    • @antirevomag834
      @antirevomag834 Pƙed 3 lety +22

      @@krinos1 Because they want advantages and improvements, but the moment it turns out to be useful against them and can cost them a win, they scream for nerfs. Textbook hypocrisy. "I can do it, but you can't"

    • @krinos1
      @krinos1 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@antirevomag834 yeah but so do ranked and casuals once someone uses/does something they do some of them cry abt how its broken and u fair

  • @GameStrikerX2
    @GameStrikerX2 Pƙed 2 lety +25

    I'm still upset they removed it, it was probably one of the most badass features that an operator could have, Doc revives himself, Finka (now) boosts herself with adrenaline to get back in the fight, but Zofia? Nah man, she just gets back up without any sort of black magic, she doesn't give up, she saw things through to the very end, even if it only matter once out of a hundred rounds or so. Sometimes I dislike competitive gaming as it can ruin some of the variety in what makes something more fun if people bitch about it enough. It probably wouldn't have been AS big of a deal on a different character who didn't have AS much utility but still. I haven't played the character AS much since the removal mainly because it was that ability specifically that made me interested in her, just knowing the satisfaction would one day arrive where I could pick myself up and clutch a round, it may only happen once out of several games, but damn it was one of the most satisfying feelings when it did happen

  • @Rift04
    @Rift04 Pƙed 3 lety +1585

    This Zofia nerf is like politics in r6.

    • @6lack863
      @6lack863 Pƙed 3 lety +34

      So true lol

    • @ibex1735
      @ibex1735 Pƙed 3 lety +89

      swear to god every comment section about that topic is a fucking warzone

    • @Ben-xe4eu
      @Ben-xe4eu Pƙed 3 lety +16

      @@ibex1735 The like/dislike ratio on this vid is gonna be interesting to watch

    • @amzar5896
      @amzar5896 Pƙed 3 lety +8

      Just give mav a fucking 2x

    • @NA-et7yh
      @NA-et7yh Pƙed 3 lety +32

      Withstand isn’t op, it’s just too much on Zofia. You don’t hear people complaining about docs withstand ability which is, like, 10x better than zofias.

  • @durchfaII
    @durchfaII Pƙed 3 lety +1092

    So, where's Finka's withstand?

    • @ToiletWolf12
      @ToiletWolf12 Pƙed 3 lety +79

      It’s different, as it would be her using her active ability and not bullshit lore

    • @adrain1162
      @adrain1162 Pƙed 3 lety +131

      EXACTLY BRO Like bruh finka should literally press her thumb to revive herself

    • @mysticalmagic9259
      @mysticalmagic9259 Pƙed 3 lety +32

      @@ToiletWolf12 Exactly. So where is it? Why doesn't she have it?

    • @despo7962
      @despo7962 Pƙed 3 lety +47

      @@mysticalmagic9259 it's on a scripted Ubi folder called "Fitting Mechanics", folder used to ignore mechanics that would make sense.

    • @adrain1162
      @adrain1162 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@despo7962 should*

  • @AmateurArson
    @AmateurArson Pƙed 3 lety +173

    "At Ubisoft, we try to keep everything as balanced as possible"
    *Proceeds to nerf Kali into the ground*
    I'm never letting that shit go.

    • @arthurkal5892
      @arthurkal5892 Pƙed 3 lety +18

      I mean it's even worse that it is supposed to be a buff. And if you look at the r6tts reddit or basically anywhere else you can see how most people are upset with it. But they still stuck with it

    • @camcar9236
      @camcar9236 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@arthurkal5892 they had like two days to test it on servers cuz they had to push the patch to fix a bug. It’ll either be gone in a few weeks or they’ll buff it in a different way

    • @AcceptGamingDKD
      @AcceptGamingDKD Pƙed 3 lety +8

      I didn't understand how they call it a buff yet reduced the damage output. Like in what way has anything other then rook been buffed with it

    • @AmateurArson
      @AmateurArson Pƙed 3 lety

      ArthurKal yup

    • @dust8206
      @dust8206 Pƙed 3 lety

      Add glaz to that too

  • @Rex-ik9hf
    @Rex-ik9hf Pƙed 3 lety +200

    "Randomness is not competitive"
    Laughs in card games

    • @TheUbernuck
      @TheUbernuck Pƙed 3 lety +23

      Such a weird thing for him to say. Poker is competitive, games like 40k or x-wing use dice and are competitive.

    • @goosemagicflute
      @goosemagicflute Pƙed 3 lety +10

      It's not like the recoil in this game is completely random or anything either. Nope, not at all, nuh-uh, no way.

    • @Zociety6477
      @Zociety6477 Pƙed 3 lety +8

      @@goosemagicflute it Isnt.

    • @goosemagicflute
      @goosemagicflute Pƙed 3 lety

      @@Zociety6477 Mmhmm sure. Totally

    • @Zociety6477
      @Zociety6477 Pƙed 3 lety +9

      @@goosemagicflute theres multiple videos proving this point. A simple search would prove youre incorrect. How do you think macros work so effectively

  • @DonTonberry91
    @DonTonberry91 Pƙed 3 lety +580

    Were people this up in arms when Dokkaebi removed herself from Echo's block list?

    • @imnot9923
      @imnot9923 Pƙed 3 lety +88

      Nope. But to be fair, the anti-intel op, should counter the intel op. Also, every time Zof is on the board, there's a chance of a withstand, while the Echo passive required that Dokk was on the attacking team.

    • @calebulman
      @calebulman Pƙed 3 lety +35

      Nah cause echo was particularly strong at the time and it didn't seem like a big deal

    • @TwinLongRods
      @TwinLongRods Pƙed 3 lety +21

      nope as an echo main, it kinda sucked for me but you get used to it

    • @sovietcosmonaut2595
      @sovietcosmonaut2595 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@TwinLongRods this ^
      But with Zof’s withstand

    • @BDealer7
      @BDealer7 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@calebulman And Zofia isn't particularly strong?

  • @mochidog1515
    @mochidog1515 Pƙed 3 lety +820

    Gregor learning mandarin to get Asian gf. Smart man

    • @tonyguanatos8236
      @tonyguanatos8236 Pƙed 3 lety +24

      He wants his Dokkaebi (I know,I know Dokkaebi is Korean).😂😄

    • @rufinomedado3184
      @rufinomedado3184 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Gregor is STARVING

    • @kirant8541
      @kirant8541 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@tonyguanatos8236 not sure if this is supposed to be ironic or not-

  • @thepowerofsand6180
    @thepowerofsand6180 Pƙed 3 lety +226

    As much as I understand why they removed withstand, I feel like siege is slowly becoming just ranked sweat, at this point there's almost no fun in casual
    All fun or interesting mechanics are being removed (night maps, old recruit, small passives etc)

    • @GiveMeTheRice
      @GiveMeTheRice Pƙed 3 lety +26

      Arnui's arm is a fun passive, so is Oryx's ability to jump through hatches. Both are not game breaking and fun passives

    • @Movie-Space_
      @Movie-Space_ Pƙed 3 lety

      I agree alot

    • @krausercruz2780
      @krausercruz2780 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      As an outsider it seems more like they swing back and forth between fun casual stuff (ACOG SLUG SHOTGUN) and tryhard sweat.

    • @greyman7605
      @greyman7605 Pƙed 3 lety +10

      They need to make seperate updates for the ranked section that has no effect on casual or unranked these ranked nerds are ruining the game for everyone else

    • @krausercruz2780
      @krausercruz2780 Pƙed 3 lety +7

      @@greyman7605 yes and no.
      Listening to the Pros ONLY is the problem. They should hear both sides and adjust accordingly.
      With maybe some minor differences between ranked and Casual.

  • @Michael-ow9ng
    @Michael-ow9ng Pƙed 3 lety +34

    As a casual of this game im sad to see it go. I think that things like ops being different and unique in specific interactions is some of the charm of the game. It will be missed.

  • @thisismykingdomcome8743
    @thisismykingdomcome8743 Pƙed 3 lety +382

    The reason zofia was worthy of withstand is because she's the main charcter and requires plot armor.

    • @vasectomy_
      @vasectomy_ Pƙed 3 lety +21

      and somehow side characters like doc have better plot armor and no one complains about it

    • @user-cz6tj1by3n
      @user-cz6tj1by3n Pƙed 3 lety +15

      @@vasectomy_ an even more side character is room and HE LITERALLY HAS ARMOR

    • @ridhosamudro2199
      @ridhosamudro2199 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      @@vasectomy_ he's the popular side character that _definitely_ will get his own spin-off

    • @vasectomy_
      @vasectomy_ Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@ridhosamudro2199 the side character that everyone likes more than the main character

    • @krinos1
      @krinos1 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @itsjoendx no they didnt...

  • @thepenguin8101
    @thepenguin8101 Pƙed 3 lety +338

    I think they should give it to Finka if she has a charge left

    • @yotus9337
      @yotus9337 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      I’m still confused. Zofia deserves it because shes just a shitty ash without it, its like HER ability. I get that it’s not that useful, but the only reason to pick zof over ash now would be slightly faster breaching. Ash has got guns and speed over her

    • @reelgesh51
      @reelgesh51 Pƙed 3 lety +13

      @@yotus9337 zof can ads clear - roam clear better ( concusses ) has a better angled grip or faster ads (which I prefer) is 2,2 which to me is better and helps me stay more consistent with movement there is a trade-off between the 2 and there is a reason to pick one over the other ( plus zof concusses can stop a defuse attempt which can be clutch if ou toss one overa a wall to stop it

    • @thepenguin8101
      @thepenguin8101 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@yotus9337 I disagree, zofia's gadget is almost the same but don't forget the stuns. They explode on proxymity, which makes zofia a pretty good room clearer/roamer finder. I don't really know about her withstand, a lot of people don't care, but the few who are unhappy are really vocal and have some good arguments, but too situational to be relatable. I think that ubi should give it a special audio queue like zof grunting loudly when she gets up, as well as give Finka the ability to revive herself like she does with her teammates.

  • @Smaizzy
    @Smaizzy Pƙed 3 lety +117

    Zofia's withstand was so situational that I honestly don't think it was that competitively unfair. At best it allowed to clutch a very small portion of successful withstands since you only had five health.

    • @Wintervixen96
      @Wintervixen96 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      Yeah its a bittersweet change but gotta swallow that pill with the fact with: "how often *did* you really manage to get a sucessfull withstand since she was released?"

    • @thechikage1091
      @thechikage1091 Pƙed 3 lety +25

      @@Wintervixen96 That's also why I don't really understand people freaking the fuck out about it.

    • @Wintervixen96
      @Wintervixen96 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@thechikage1091 it's an complicated question since there is not really a true answer to why, you have people who adore lore stuffs (i am one of those) but in the same time it all comes to the variety, like you got the Echo situation where he could be an annoying intel gathering, plant denying flex operator despite him being 3 armour he could just hide in a hidy hole somewhere not get called and have invisible drones and stuffs since he has been changed with dokka and now the yokai is changed as well he is not that frequently played unless the player knows what they are doing or forgot about the changes.

    • @thechikage1091
      @thechikage1091 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@Wintervixen96 You're absolutely right, Echo at that time with *all* of those abilities was stupid broken. However with where he is now, after having lost invisibility, I think his immunity to Doki calls would just be another part of the kit. Though I would absolutely say he drops a phone when dying. Keep his call immunity though it's a really unique counterplay and operator interaction that changes the engagement based on how the player responds to it.

    • @manuelcereijo8705
      @manuelcereijo8705 Pƙed 3 lety

      The thing is that that slim chance of happening shouldn't be in the game for no reason. I like her ability but it makes no sense, specially when she's the only one with it (I'm not sure if tachanka has it, but it doesn't matter)

  • @TheQuilavaQueen
    @TheQuilavaQueen Pƙed 3 lety +50

    2:39 The knight, being the only piece to be able to jump over pieces and move in 2 different directions at once - Am I a joke to you?

    • @SushiReversed
      @SushiReversed Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Given that the knight works consistently on both sides, this analogy doesn't make sense. Is the en passant broken because only pawns can do it? No, because pawns on both sides can do it. That's the difference.

    • @A-G-F-
      @A-G-F- Pƙed 2 lety

      Its a logical, repeatable move that every knight can do.
      Nof if only the black knight could bring hismelf back from the life, that would be a massive problem.

  • @jesuschrist4878
    @jesuschrist4878 Pƙed 3 lety +469

    I don’t care about it either way. I play a lot of zof and have used her withstand like 4 times.

    • @wrstr
      @wrstr Pƙed 3 lety +12

      then you shouldnt notice really any difference now that its gone

    • @user-mq5mk4rl7c
      @user-mq5mk4rl7c Pƙed 3 lety +89

      @@wrstr that was his point

    • @michallo9570
      @michallo9570 Pƙed 3 lety +8

      i also play Zofia a lot and used it 2 times because idiots who down me always rush me and rather die for a kill that means nothing in these situations...

    • @wrstr
      @wrstr Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@user-mq5mk4rl7c my bad i interpreted it as him arguing against its removal

    • @GoogleUser000
      @GoogleUser000 Pƙed 3 lety +8

      Zofia is like in my top 3 attackers and I used her withstand ability in Ranked literally for once - I was 1v1, and the last defender didn’t notice what character I was playing, so he left me injured and went breaking the defuser. I withstanded, killed him and took the round. Period. Dumbest situation ever. Nothing else this ability is needed for, considering how stupid that defender guy was, lol, I totally agree with Gregor on the opinion

  • @syzm4
    @syzm4 Pƙed 3 lety +304

    When someone withstands and kills a Redditor:
    Hands- S P E D

  • @roguereflection8666
    @roguereflection8666 Pƙed 3 lety +19

    This is probably the first time I have ever disagreed with GregorđŸ„Č I feel betrayed

    • @terrenceholmes813
      @terrenceholmes813 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      Don't cause some stupid pros lost a 2v1 dat they didn't play right 2 begin with she lost it...pros control dis game now EVEN THO DOC DOES THE SAME THING

    • @tomcut2976
      @tomcut2976 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@terrenceholmes813 docs self revive mechanic is tied to their gadget, along with it producing a distinct sound cue

    • @bulletnotloaded3586
      @bulletnotloaded3586 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@terrenceholmes813 Holy fuck the amount of people who clearly don't understand the game in this comment section is hilarious

  • @11crysissnake19
    @11crysissnake19 Pƙed 3 lety +64

    "Your gun can shoot at only one angle at a time"
    Beaulo: hold my 1 tap

    • @freakyclipclub
      @freakyclipclub Pƙed 3 lety

      What’s your pfp from?

    • @SleepyLupo
      @SleepyLupo Pƙed 3 lety

      @@freakyclipclub it's from the amazing world of gumball

  • @Gwen1001
    @Gwen1001 Pƙed 3 lety +311

    Honestly I always found the ability funny and interesting to use, but its defenitly understandable why this would be taken out, I just wish they would give it to finka's gadget cause I like the idea of having one person on each side to be able to pick themselves back up

    • @patchesdaley
      @patchesdaley Pƙed 3 lety +3

      The case is that no one should be able to revive themselves as an add on to an add on. Thats docs core ability. At that stage Fonka becomes an ash/ela/doc hybrid where no other operator is a triple hybrid. Its just too much ability.

    • @kirbyapollo389
      @kirbyapollo389 Pƙed 3 lety +13

      @@patchesdaley her gadget only buffs her team, it doesn't remove utility (ash) or stun the enemy (Ela)

    • @Gwen1001
      @Gwen1001 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@JoJo-qz6jo nobody picks her for it but she's still consistantly the 2nd most picked attacker, so more often than not it will come into play not to mention it gives in unfair advantage because only she could do it and costs nothing to use

    • @borke42
      @borke42 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      @@Gwen1001 2nd most picked? That's some kappakan

    • @arashi8876
      @arashi8876 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      They cant give that ability to Finka because Pro league gonna cry if that happens

  • @duschidee702
    @duschidee702 Pƙed 3 lety +161

    I understand your point, though I would like to point out that if you balance a game to minimize randomness and solely balance by competitive standard you end up with a game that just isn`t fun anymore for your average player base.

    • @ficedulamortis6434
      @ficedulamortis6434 Pƙed 3 lety +20

      Like chess lol

    • @fdumbass
      @fdumbass Pƙed 3 lety +17

      Well put mate, I've tried to formulate this shit for a long time but you did a great job

    • @downsjmmyjones101
      @downsjmmyjones101 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      How so?

    • @fdumbass
      @fdumbass Pƙed 3 lety +21

      @@downsjmmyjones101 Randomness is fun

    • @wrstr
      @wrstr Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@fdumbass not so much in a game as competitive as this one

  • @dameach23
    @dameach23 Pƙed 3 lety +146

    I will admit, this is the best argument I've herd thus far. But comparing learning Zofia has withstand to a whole new language, is a bit of a stretch. Although I get the premise. And I have to disagree to a point. I would understand if it was op, but it simply isn't. 99% of the time it doesn't work. So my question to you is, if its cool and a fun thing to pull off and it almost never works. Why take it out? Idk to me your argument would be a bit more solid if it was op, but its not. And it almost never effects an outcome of a match.

    • @AverageJ03Gaming
      @AverageJ03Gaming Pƙed 3 lety +10

      It has changed tournament matches. I agree, it oftentimes doesn't end up as important as it is made out to be here. But, its not about how op it is or isnt, and how it just adds in an unfair chance of a game changing the tide for reasons of "ubi said so"

    • @canid2088
      @canid2088 Pƙed 3 lety +15

      It's not op, but it's like learning English. You have a bunch of rules that are fairly logical, but hard to learn since there are so many of them. All of a sudden, you find a word that breaks the pattern, and there's no reason for it to, its just different. That sort of stuff makes learning a new game super frustrating.

    • @matttheradartechnician4308
      @matttheradartechnician4308 Pƙed 3 lety +10

      Doesn't matter if it works on 1% of the time. If do to shear luck you can won a round because you can revive yourself as a passive can change a game its kinda obvious not to have it.

    • @mimdim925
      @mimdim925 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      I think Zofia's withstand is for the most part kinda useless but the *reason* of its removal is being pushed kinda makes PL look like they cant hit heads, hear a grunting Zofia nor save a 2v1 .... A lesion mine and she's a goner. And isn't the point of PL that things sometimes take an unpredictable turn to keep things exciting?
      That being said, Finka should get a withstand. 1 op on atk and 1 op on def have a withstand type of ability, where finka can be cancelled by smoke, pulse, mute, a bullet, tachanka, etc... easily
      Valkyrie's teammates being able to get full 360 views from her cameras regardless if shes alive or not, Melusi's indestructible gadget, Ace's desperate need for a gun swap and BB as a concept are actual headaches.

    • @dameach23
      @dameach23 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      @@pedroabumanssur976 why is that such a bad thing? Pulse can literally see through the floor and blow you up with a c4. By your definition how is that balanced?

  • @dominicneighbor9407
    @dominicneighbor9407 Pƙed 3 lety +58

    I’d be fine with Ubi taking away withstand for a better reason than “it doesn’t belong in a competitive game” if this was such a huge problem, then why did they not take it out sooner, the only reason this was brought up again was because a PROLEAGUE PLAYER chose the right operator for an engagement. And the other team couldn’t finish a kill, then the Pro Players complained on Twitter and took that ability away. Yes it’s a random Xfactor but the same could be said going up against a Doc or Finka, let’s say it were the other way around a 2v1 situation a proleague player is trying to plant so he engages a doc and downs him, he switches his attention towards the team mate and kills him. He plants and as he gets up he trades fire with the doc who self rezed and decided to overhead for one last push killing the attacker. Or say it’s a 1v1, Finka nano boosts and nails a headshot while the other person hits a bodyshot, the only reason she won was because the nano gave her an ADS Buff and plus 20HP. In the past 5 years of playing siege the Zofia withstand has only killed me once’s day that was last week. I was punished for not having good enough aim. And at that time no one on offense could self rez like doc so unless they buff Finka by giving her their is not a “balance playing game field” I know it’s just one operator but I’m just voicing my opinion.

    • @odd7327
      @odd7327 Pƙed 3 lety +14

      This is why people hate ubi when it comes to Siege because they always make decisions off of Pro League never of the masses like us.

    • @bonez994
      @bonez994 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      The thing is that doc makes sense. He has a stim pistol as a gadget that he can shoot at other teammates to revive them, so it makes sense that he can inject that same exact thing into his own leg to revive himself. The finka proposal also makes sense because her gadget revives teammates and is activated with literally pushing a button on her glove. These are both gadget based things. Zofia isn't which is why it never made sense for her to have

    • @Tea-ei1cl
      @Tea-ei1cl Pƙed 3 lety +2

      It was already suggested, the pro league event just fueled it faster

    • @enochkeoki5158
      @enochkeoki5158 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      In the first 3/4 years of Siege, the community was listened to the most whilst PL was practically ignored. Year 1, Blackbeard didn't get nerfed to "terrible" until the mid season of Red Crow and even to this day, Ubi hasn't removed or reworked him even though he is the only operator that breaks the one shot headshot rule. Other shields dont count as they cannot shoot back. Year 2, we got the Glaz smoke meta. Pros asked for nerfs, the nerfs given were weapon nerfs to Glaz and switching Thermite and Ash's smokes and flashbangs, which didn't really do shit. Continuing through that, we get to Y2 S3 Blood Orchid. Ela was broken asf and didn't get significant nerfs until the next year. Zofia comes out, pros say the EXACT same argument they're saying now, but ignored. Dokkaebi also comes out, pros ask for a nerf to her global, she doesn't get it for a while either. Then Chimera gets play tested by the pros, including the best team in the world at the time. They say "Lion is broken, nerf him." Ignored and we get the aids meta Chimera is known for. Lion himself does not get nerfed in a meaningful way for a good 8 months. We get Maestro, everyone asks for gun nerfs, they remove Acog and nerf the hipfire spread. The gun stats are pretty much the exact same to this day, even though pros have said the acog was not the problem. Maverick comes out, still to this day doesn't have any method to counter him, but he's "fine" as you need to learn how to properly Mav trick things and now you can actually hear it. And no, killing an operator is not a counter, that's a side objective of literally any FPS game you play. Then we had Nomad, who to both community and pros was broken asf on TTS, so she got nerfs. Year 4 was pretty good until season 3, when Goyo came out. In pro play testing, they said he needs to lose a shield and Ubi just released him with 3 anyway. We also got slits on deployable shields, which no one asked for, but pros asked for removal or to make the angles awkward to use. We got Wamai who just recently got his shield removed. and y5 we have Melusi, whose only change to her gadget was a 1 meter radius nerf.
      Basically, I'm saying the pro league doesn't get as many changes as people seem to think they do, and yet people say, "Ubisoft only listens to the pros even though they're 1% of the playerbase."
      Mate, Ubisoft don't listen to anyone, lmfao.

    • @BaconheartStuff
      @BaconheartStuff Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Also there's a big difference between Zofia's withstand and Doc's self revive: You know when Doc's is happening. That shit is loud as fuck. Even if you don't know that it's a Doc you downed, you can hear that sound effect and immediately go "ok, that player I downed is back up now". When Zofia uses withstand, it's completely silent so there's no way for defenders to know it happened unless they're looking right at her. Getting killed by a Zofia you downed because you didn't know who she was and had no way of knowing she got herself back up feels like schoolyard games against that kid who always gave excuses for why your attacks never worked against him.

  • @tobyk773
    @tobyk773 Pƙed 3 lety +34

    I remember the first time I saw a Zofia withstand, she was downed next to another downed teammate. For about 20 more hours of gameplay, I thought that 2 downed teammates could pick each other up

  • @CC-tl3zs
    @CC-tl3zs Pƙed 3 lety +196

    “If the casual community were being ignored we wouldn’t have BOSG ACOG”
    That was entirely due to BikiniBodhi, a content creator.

    • @RM-56
      @RM-56 Pƙed 3 lety +35

      who is apart of the casual community

    • @AnimeAmvStar
      @AnimeAmvStar Pƙed 3 lety +34

      @@RM-56 but yet is a big content creator

    • @vctorbosak938
      @vctorbosak938 Pƙed 3 lety +66

      Exactly, and after that, he now thinks he's a siege balancing developer or some shit...

    • @canid2088
      @canid2088 Pƙed 3 lety +21

      Vıctor Bosak hmmm, he did voice his opinion, that does mean he is an egomaniac. Yep. No opinions allowed.

    • @Tanzsu
      @Tanzsu Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@RM-56 allow me to explain something there are two casuals pc and console casual there is a difference but most passed it off but its there
      I personally think bikinibodhi is a pc casual which isn't a bad thing but i am forced to take anything he does with a grain of salt because my casual ( console ) is way different from his plus most of the things he wants in siege is pretty dumb the bosg acog is a joke he had the power do something great but wanted bullshit nothing against himn but fuck is his casual not my style

  • @Danramen
    @Danramen Pƙed 3 lety +66

    To be fair in a game thats usually in the favor of defenders, Zofia's withstand is a contender to giving the attackers a chance to turn the tide since shes such a good fragger. I get that you can see the ability as something thats random or unnecessary, but thats kind of the point of online multiplayer games? Any player input is random in the end. Also your argument that its unfair to defenders in a competitive situation because a person you downed behind cover can get back up, thats also something that finka can do or inversely, what doc can do to defenders from a distance? Honestly the only way i can see your argument making sense is in a situation depending on your teams choices of operators, which is inherently random to begin with

    • @komessandtomikcoll2154
      @komessandtomikcoll2154 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      True but a lot of people have this crazed obsession with balance like is angled grip op ? I dont get this its a game games arent balanced in chess white players win a lot more. Even tick-tack-fucking toe has an unfair advantage TL.DR. Games are made to have fun if you want to play them competitively you can just dont ruin it for the people who want to have fun

    • @komessandtomikcoll2154
      @komessandtomikcoll2154 Pƙed 3 lety

      @itsjoendx XD thanks man you made my day

    • @reelgesh51
      @reelgesh51 Pƙed 3 lety

      zof withstand has no sound que showing she is actually using it though

    • @komessandtomikcoll2154
      @komessandtomikcoll2154 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@reelgesh51 it has you can hear her clothes go nuts and her grunting

  • @albarazi_ali
    @albarazi_ali Pƙed 3 lety +221

    Honestly finka needs the self revive

    • @thomasosterli5372
      @thomasosterli5372 Pƙed 3 lety +18

      It makes sense cause finka is one of the weaker operators

    • @thomasosterli5372
      @thomasosterli5372 Pƙed 3 lety +7

      @@teslacybertrucksilver5380 you’re not wrong, but she doesn’t fit very well into team compositions as well as other operators

    • @samo9613
      @samo9613 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@thomasosterli5372 she isn't weak, she has a positive winrate. She just isn't picked very much due to her having mediocre weapons and a gadget that lacks utility compared to other ops. No need for her to be able to self-revive if she's already doing fine. I think it's just a case of people not realizing her full potential.

    • @BananaStefcio7
      @BananaStefcio7 Pƙed rokem

      Would you look at that, they took Withstand from Zofia, gave Finka self-revive and now Finka is the most cancerous, over-picked braindead operator in the LMG meta. Who could've predicted that

  • @sneakylilcav4373
    @sneakylilcav4373 Pƙed 3 lety +38

    Siege in 2022:
    so we decided to remove all of operators' abilities, because we need consistency and no one should get better or worse shits than others. Basically, we finally be able to make our game to be competitively fair and boring as shit.

    • @crazytigerspy9420
      @crazytigerspy9420 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Siege of dumbass casuals balanced: so we added acog to everything there’s no recoil on all guns because my aim was too bad you are not allowed to get more then one kill and also everyone has to be a noob or they get banned

    • @Timurisoverhere
      @Timurisoverhere Pƙed 3 lety +9

      @@crazytigerspy9420 Clown.

    • @crazytigerspy9420
      @crazytigerspy9420 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@Timurisoverhere looks whos talking lmao

    • @sandson1601
      @sandson1601 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@crazytigerspy9420 That would be nice, I miss acog.

    • @benlink202forever
      @benlink202forever Pƙed 3 lety

      You are predicting a future that literally wont happen. If ubisoft was that retarded they would've done that already.

  • @Jesterzero138
    @Jesterzero138 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    if this is such a huge problem, then why was no one talking about it for the last few years? Only after it blew up, it seems that all the influencers are making these videos explaining why its such a horrible and totally unfair thing, often with very patronizing phrasing like in this video. It's hypocrisy, and it seems so insincere and pretentious.

    • @FriezaReturns00001
      @FriezaReturns00001 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      It's worse in OverWatch -- but that's just how content creators can ruin the game unfortunately even though an average user base may not care or even know who there people are and that should be ok. It's not worth it imo.

    • @reelgesh51
      @reelgesh51 Pƙed 3 lety

      except greger didn't say it was unbalanced he said it was a useless game mechanic that just added randomness and nothing good
      there is a difference - he said zofia doesn't NEED it, not "it's OP"

    • @themavrandbrickashaw5511
      @themavrandbrickashaw5511 Pƙed 3 lety

      It truly is not hypocrisy though, like at all. I'm not sure people understand what that word means.

  • @notknifeykestrel3104
    @notknifeykestrel3104 Pƙed 3 lety +51

    "like throwing someone into a pool and expecting them to figure it out"
    Legit how I learned to swim. Definitely not what I would recommend, but it worked...eventually...

    • @obsidiansnow3790
      @obsidiansnow3790 Pƙed 3 lety

      And as for learning languages... It's literally how some people get immersed. Plop someone in a fairly developed foreign country, what are they going to do.... Run away in fear from everyone? Starve? Sleep on the street? Give em some pocket change and they'll have a better chance but damn straight they're going to have to get creative with body language. On top of all of that ..most of the words they hear are in the foreign language. People plopped in a family home to teach English in Mexico report dreaming in Spanish in two weeks. Those people I'm referring to include people who've never learned Spanish before going there. Immersion is huge, and plopping yourself in the middle of it all forces you to get creative to survive. I definitely disagree with Gregor said there.
      However, I agree with everything else he said about withstand being inappropriate in competitive play since she already has a baller kit. Maybe the times where she is OP are fringe cases... But even under that assumption it'd be enough for the mechanic to stain the image of siege's balance.

  • @bobey5022
    @bobey5022 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    As someone who use to play overwatch, I can promise you, streamlining the game into a competitive fuckfest where every character has a singular role with nothing else unique about them is the absolute fastest way to kill a game

    • @Asdf-wf6en
      @Asdf-wf6en Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Not necessarily. Over watch had no longevity in it’s design being that it was just tf2 for weebs. Games that just do the same thing as another game but not noticeably better die. Just look at the battle royal graveyard. The only one that could really last was Fortnite because of its building but the devs had an anti skill value system when it came to games and it does too.

    • @bobey5022
      @bobey5022 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@Asdf-wf6en There were many issues with overwatch, lack of longevity, goats, etc
      But the thing I saw alot of people complaining about back when I binge played it was the hyper-competitiveness, and the "cookie-cutterness" of the character kits
      Everything character in overwatch had a role, and the moment you tried to do something else with the role you'd get stomped, and if someone discovered a trick with the character (IE : Mercy jumping) blizzard would screech "NO THIS ISNT MY VISION" and strip anything unique from the kit
      Examples could include : Tracer harass people and leave, Genji would throw stars and be a pain, Ana would boost healing, Mercy would press left click and occasionally right click, and reinhardt would shield bot. Every game of overwatch felt the exact same with the only difference being the type of role you filled. I doubt siege will be subjected to the same fate as overwatch as its alot more complex and at the end of the day I doubt anyone would truly quit over the zof nerf. But as someone who watched blizzard strip every single unique trick a hero would have before eventually uninstalling thanks to brigitte its kinda scary to watch ubi do this.

    • @Asdf-wf6en
      @Asdf-wf6en Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@bobey5022 that sounds like the age old problem of the winning strategy being to not have fun

    • @bobey5022
      @bobey5022 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@Asdf-wf6en Thats why games are more fun when more variables are added to screw with the winning strategy
      Overwatch definitely suffered mostly from the hyper-competitiveness
      I remember in season 9 I believe, being told to "Kill myself for throwing" was a common occurrence because I wanted to play off-meta heroes in quickplay

    • @austinjnr2775
      @austinjnr2775 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@Asdf-wf6en okay but a lot of BR's have lasted? warzone has lasted over a year, apex legends over 2 years now. PUBG is still going strong. BR games come and go but that's with every genre tbh.

  • @user-wk7fi1of8r
    @user-wk7fi1of8r Pƙed 3 lety +165

    The whole bloody mechanic of ubisoft's update is literally "reddit likes me, and I want them to like me more"

    • @davidb5180
      @davidb5180 Pƙed 3 lety +17

      This time reddit hated it because they thought Ubi were sucking up to the pros and Bikini for some reason

    • @krinos1
      @krinos1 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@davidb5180 god you winder why they make a lot of poor updates bc why bother trying to make a good update when people are still going to hate it either way

    • @Timurisoverhere
      @Timurisoverhere Pƙed 3 lety +4

      More like “I just want E-sports senpai to notice me...”

  • @robinl.tinderfox6696
    @robinl.tinderfox6696 Pƙed 3 lety +93

    Also known as "Zofia Clutched and it made me sad, waahhh"

    • @CoulierCuts
      @CoulierCuts Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Gonna cry?

    • @Buginskin
      @Buginskin Pƙed 3 lety +20

      @@CoulierCuts pro league did

    • @crazytigerspy9420
      @crazytigerspy9420 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@Buginskin the change was way before and remember that pro league is a job you guys act like they are just a higher rank no there’s a reason they are literally professional siege players because they know more about this game then you do

    • @Buginskin
      @Buginskin Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@crazytigerspy9420 Dude, I seriously don't trust Ubi on anything. They have done shady stuff in the past so I dont trust that. And yes I understand that pro leuge players understand more then me, but christ Ubisoft just panders to them on everything even when it ONLY affects pro league. And I understand it's a job, but because a couple of players couldn't kill a downed dude, yes DOWNED, meaning he couldn't fight back until he withstood, is bull that they can complain about it

    • @crazytigerspy9420
      @crazytigerspy9420 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@Buginskin the change was happening way before that game whether you believe it not is up to you but that is the truth

  • @caseyallshouse6938
    @caseyallshouse6938 Pƙed 3 lety +18

    The reason why they gave zophia the withstand ability was her background because when she was like 9 or 10, her "friends" pushed her onto a frozen lake and she fell through. And in her LORE, she was like f off, imma get guud

  • @avi_on_sixes5098
    @avi_on_sixes5098 Pƙed 3 lety +127

    Her mom determination is gone...

  • @fosoko1633
    @fosoko1633 Pƙed 3 lety +125

    U can't imagine how proud I was when I understood I (wo) in mandarin

  • @kroopik
    @kroopik Pƙed 3 lety +17

    «Random things are not competitive»
    *Laughs in Hearthstone E-Sports*

    • @tonin7166
      @tonin7166 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      He never heard of poker lmao

    • @SushiReversed
      @SushiReversed Pƙed 3 lety

      @@tonin7166 Poker is more about reading probability and reading your opponent. The luck component at the competitive level is surprisingly small.

  • @Enderfan7363
    @Enderfan7363 Pƙed 3 lety +44

    She's been in the game for 4 years now so why has it turned into a problem now?

    • @Maogar13
      @Maogar13 Pƙed 3 lety +33

      @Kenny Aristyo R to bad he used a game mechanic

    • @jonathanjosept4316
      @jonathanjosept4316 Pƙed 3 lety +30

      @@Maogar13 well then the r6 pros are the worst, they dont even handle defeat like a professional instead complaints

    • @canid2088
      @canid2088 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Kenny Aristyo R dimwit. That happened a week ago, do you know nothing about the development cycle? It was clearly already planned to be in the mid-season patch.

    • @LimeDoe
      @LimeDoe Pƙed 3 lety +1

      it hasn't only just become a problem, casual players just have terrible memories or haven't been paying any attention.

    • @reelgesh51
      @reelgesh51 Pƙed 3 lety

      personally think it was always a problem

  • @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera
    @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera Pƙed 3 lety +11

    I think you misunderstand people aren’t mad it got removed, people are mad at why it got removed. This just ads onto the topic of how the game is cater around pl

    • @matttheradartechnician4308
      @matttheradartechnician4308 Pƙed 3 lety

      Who gives a shit. Proleague is how they make money and how more people get more dedicated to the game. Shouldn't it be fine for the game to be balanced. Because of you see what the proleaguse players complain about, it's quite obvious their ideal version of siege is pretty fun and balanced

    • @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera
      @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@matttheradartechnician4308 have you seen pro league play? It’s not fun that’s why even the pros said champion rank matches aren’t fun because it’s like playing pro league

    • @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera
      @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@matttheradartechnician4308 oh yeah btw only like a few hundreds of players are pros or less they should most definitely speak for the 50+ millions of us that want the game in their view good reply professor

    • @Theviewerdude
      @Theviewerdude Pƙed 3 lety

      @@Takemebacktotheplusgamingera they probably don't find champ rank fun because playing the game is literally their job and always sweating gets old. Not because it's inherently not fun.
      Also the game, by design, is a competitive shooter. Why would the game be balanced for the lowest common denominator? If the higher tiered level of gaming was unbalanced, the game would be terrible. As you'd get better you'd be forced to choose whatever happens to be OP because nothing else works. Like every COD game that has that one OP gun and loadout... shit gets old very fast as it's the same thing over and over.
      Meanwhile in siege you can play the same 5 maps over and over and play them significantly differently because it's all relatively balanced.
      It seems like all the "casual" players whining are just upset that they get beat by players who are actually trying or are better, and are clinging to any excuse to have the game changed in their favor.
      If you don't play competitively either just accept those that do will be better, or find a game that suits more casual needs... it isn't a casual game and never has been from the start. Get over it

    • @Theviewerdude
      @Theviewerdude Pƙed 3 lety

      The customer isn't always right. What the "casual community" bitches and moans for would literally kill the game. That's why devs don't listen. If it was a good idea that would be fun, would bring in more players, thus make more money, they would listen. They're a business that wants to make money. If it would work they would do it.
      But their ideas are terrible and only serve the narrow niche of people who somehow find it fun to fuck around doing dumb shit, get killed by someone actually trying, and sit there watching other people play for the entire game.
      That isn't most of the community. That's a bunch of children with too much time on their hands. A vocal minority. Keep the game competitive as that's what it is by design and serves a unique niche literally no other game replicates. It's in a class of its own. Keep it that way.

  • @jesusp.6993
    @jesusp.6993 Pƙed 3 lety +36

    2:20 pulse's collar with mira's right hand makes it look look Mira is sticking up a middle finger.

  • @LZC94
    @LZC94 Pƙed 3 lety +35

    “This problem [between competitive and casual players] is unique to Siege”, bruh let’s talk about Overwatch. Also a good contender for stupidest balancing decisions

    • @BigBoss549
      @BigBoss549 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Hopefully OW ain’t shit. OW was the shit back then. When I was still on console my plan was to play siege and Overwatch but I really only got siege because OW started getting more and more repetitive

  • @eliwatson7936
    @eliwatson7936 Pƙed 3 lety +19

    Zofia had the ability to pick herself up, but ash has the arguably much more powerful ability that she’s impossible to hit in the first place

  • @jordanhansen3554
    @jordanhansen3554 Pƙed 3 lety +145

    I don’t even disagree, but this video doesn’t feel like it’d help the case against withstand.
    Honestly, this shit makes me want to play Siege less than I already do.

    • @arizz620
      @arizz620 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      But its a good change

    • @justinchavez6517
      @justinchavez6517 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Its a good change unless your a zofia main of course

    • @arizz620
      @arizz620 Pƙed 3 lety +14

      @@justinchavez6517 zofia's my 2nd most played operator and I couldn't be happier that its be going

    • @AkalaFPS
      @AkalaFPS Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@justinchavez6517 I'm a zof main. It's a good change.

    • @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera
      @Takemebacktotheplusgamingera Pƙed 3 lety +33

      @@arizz620 it’s a good change but it’s not because it got removed it’s why, alot of people are already not fine with the devs catering the game around pro league and think about it zofia is what 4/5y old? And they NOW remove one of her abilities due to the cry of pro players because of one pro play clip.

  • @squashbanana5146
    @squashbanana5146 Pƙed 3 lety +21

    So smoke shouldn't be immune to his gadget
    Aruni shouldn't be able to punch larger holes
    Oryx, although he might need it, shouldn't be able to climb hatches
    I'm just throwing out other potentially passive-like abilities that need to be removed in the name of consistency among all operators, and no this isn't some angry sarcastic comment. I'm just genuinely curious what you think is "too far" when regarding this kind of balancing.

    • @MothDoinLazr
      @MothDoinLazr Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Technically, all of those are lore based extra abilities,
      Smoke: Gas mask isn’t mentioned at all
      Aruni: Don’t remember equipping her arm
      Oryx: His ability is zooming, not being the only person to jump

    • @HectorLopez-hq9rc
      @HectorLopez-hq9rc Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Smoke needs to be immune to his ability, it's part of his kit. Oryx is already really weak so no réal reason to nerf him, and aruni May lose the punch if she becomes as used as zofia

    • @Rawxas.
      @Rawxas. Pƙed 3 lety

      Those capabilities make sense, and Zofia's doesn't.

    • @ariframennoodles8028
      @ariframennoodles8028 Pƙed 3 lety

      I get oryx but smoke and aruni. That's dumb

    • @wrstr
      @wrstr Pƙed 3 lety

      the hatch jumping is part of his gadget but other than that i agree

  • @Dovoline3
    @Dovoline3 Pƙed 3 lety +41

    The counterpoint is that these aren't all the same character and they don't all fit neatly into perfectly defined archetypes like weapon classes in CS GO or character classes in TF2 do. Sledge and Buck are both soft breachers that are the second line after the entry fragger, yes, but do Sledge and Buck play in remotely the same way? Hell no! Sledge has a frag, and Buck doesn't need to wait 20 years before being able to shoot someone if he opens a wall into someone's face. AND he can attack ceilings in addition to floors. Caviera and Vigil are both roamers with stealth abilities, but if you try to sprint up behind someone as Vigil they're just going to turn and shoot you in the face. And where the hell do you even put Maverick?! Yes he's a "hard breach" op, but let's compare him to the other hard breachers: Thatcher makes a really big fucking hole, Hibana makes a lot of smaller holes, and Ace makes reverse Miras that can turn into really big fucking holes. And then there's Maverick, who has two options: Gift defenders that aren't being played by Hellen Keller free headshots, or remove the reinforcement from a wall without actually destroying the wall, meaning he needs at least a soft breacher or someone with a breach charge to even approach the functionality of two of the other three hard breachers. And THAT only comes after a LOT of skill getting your torching method juuuuust right.
    At the end of the day, Siege isn't just a tac shooter, it's a tac *hero shooter*. Each of the characters in the game has a unique ability that only they can perform, even within their broadly (and often badly tbh) defined roles. And with so many characters, it isn't out of the question to lose track of what each and every one will do when you run into them in a fight. But... that's the exact same issue fighting games have, and those people have *zero* problems with knowing what a given character is going to do, even in a game as character-crowded as Smash. Hell, *especially* in Smash. But all these characters have their unique things that only they do, and nobody has a problem keeping track of it all.
    And if your issue is with things being arbitrarily different from how other things in the same class work in Siege for no good reason, Zofia's Withstand and Ela's backup mine are hardly the worst offenders. That would be Aruni, whose gadget is COMPLETELY INVULNERABLE for NO GOOD REASON. Changing Thatcher's EMP to disable gadgets instead of outright destroying them was one thing, given that at this point it only disabled half the defender gadget roster to begin with. It sets a precedent of permanently nullifying a gadget requiring you to expose yourself to throw a frag, or to control the room to be able to shoot out the devices. Bulletproof gadgets set a precedent of needing to trade utility for utility, meaning you can't just bring a whole team of fraggers. But what precedent does outright invulnerable gadgets set? And why is that privilege reserved for Aruni's gadget, which is incredibly impactful to the outcome of a round, instead of say Rook's plates, or hell even Lesion's mines would be less egregious as an invulnerable gadget.
    Ultimately, Withstand was a powerful ability in the right situation, but its use was so situational that the only reason anyone finds it hard to keep track of is because it's almost never used. So sure, maybe one match in 500 you surprise the hell out of someone, and as a surprise pick in a tight 4-4 match it can be a game changer. But 499 times it's not impactful. Nice to have, but not impactful. And on the other hand you have Aruni who is almost just strictly better Castle, and on top of that has the only indestructible gadget in the game and one that will always have a significant impact on the outcome of the round. If Zofia is going to lose her Withstand, Aruni's gadget should be destructible.

    • @canid2088
      @canid2088 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      "Well since IQ is so thick, Rook should really get the 2x on his p90"

    • @canid2088
      @canid2088 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      You're confusing balance with consistency my guy.

    • @icyleamon
      @icyleamon Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I personally think that she balanced just enough, you can diactivate the gadget by throwing anything in the gates, and the only thing to reactivate it is to pick it, that means if you are in the heart of the battle it's preaty hard to implement

    • @Dovoline3
      @Dovoline3 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      @@canid2088 in terms of balance, withstand is fine. In terms of consistency... withstand is still fine. It lines up with other interactions we already have in the game: namely, Doc, who basically just has better withstand if you have a stim left.
      Consistency and balance issues are things like Echo's former immunity to Dokk and Aruni's gadget being indestructible. Those are the kinds of things that stand out and don't follow established precedent.

    • @canid2088
      @canid2088 Pƙed 3 lety

      Spartan448 well doc's revive is a part of his gadget, so no, withstand is not consistent.

  • @blublublah
    @blublublah Pƙed 3 lety +18

    this video completely forgets the latest operator (Aruni) has an "x-factor" ability to be able to punch huge holes in the wall. why does she deserve that? and yes I understand that is not nearly as powerful as withstand, but the argument is exactly the same.

    • @firesaint4569
      @firesaint4569 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      I agree I don’t think any ops should have passives like that.

    • @kimjongrussel7645
      @kimjongrussel7645 Pƙed 3 lety +13

      I argue its even more powerful than withstand. Withstand rarely ever works when it matters. Aruni can make rotates and giant holes infinitely, she can destroy windows and doors in a single punch which makes for easier runouts combined with her having the Roni. This works on every map, compared to the rare situations Zofia gets downed and could pick herself up

    • @arthurkal5892
      @arthurkal5892 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@kimjongrussel7645 yeah it is definitely more powerful. Otherwise it would be like you had a 2% chance of your melee making a large hole lmao

    • @therubyblade196
      @therubyblade196 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I mean, pretty much anyone with a shotgun can do the same.

    • @arthurkal5892
      @arthurkal5892 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      @@therubyblade196 I want passives to stay but this is the argument you'll hear from people against it. "But to bring a shotgun is to sacrifice a more versatile weapon. Aruni can have a good primary and still make rotates without sacrificing anything"

  • @olympictrekker1961
    @olympictrekker1961 Pƙed 3 lety +24

    Honestly, it’s stuff like this which is driving away the casual community. At the end of the day will this ability being removed have a cataclysmic effect on the game? No, probably not, the number of comments with people saying they barely used withstand in the first place is a testament to that. But there is a valid claim behind the complaints of casual players who say that Ubisoft favors competitive players.
    There are much more pressing issues with the game as a whole than Zofia’s withstand ability, take the rampant DDos attacks or constant MnK abuse on consoles where it isn’t supported, or like Greg said, issues with hacking on PC. Even exterior factors like account boosting are higher up on the list of concerns for the vast majority of players than this.
    At this point, Ubisoft honestly should come out and say that Comp is their dedicated player base, because it’s obvious that they cater to the top 10% ELO in regards to any sort of community feedback. Obviously there’s no reason a person with 10 hours on the game should have any sort of favoritism as opposed to someone who’s played since beta, but the thing which a lot of “competitive” players tend to forget in my experience is the fact that a “casual” player who’s played for years ought to be able to have some advice be considered, just like a “competitive player” always does and always will.
    This change specifically isn’t the issue of frustration, it’s the habits that Ubisoft has fallen into over the years combined with a superiority complex among many competitive players.
    Last I heard, Siege was fast approaching 50 million players, that may be out of date now but even if it were one tenth the size of that player base, the reality is that the majority of people who play this game fall into the casual/ranked community. Are there illegitimate grievances from the casual community that wouldn’t work in the grand scheme of things? Absolutely. Are there the same kinds of illegitimate grievances coming from the Competitive community? Absolutely. Nobody’s word should ever be taken as gold.

    • @phagecg6149
      @phagecg6149 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      i think the thing can be summed up with this, it rarely happens and rarely has an affect on the game, so when it does happen its just random bullshit. also goobisoft caters to all sides of the community, they even say in patches what certain changes are directed towards, for instance frost getting the ita was directed at casual, or bosg acog. it is very clear they cater a bit more towards the comp envirement, but siege very much falls under trickle down balance. and besides most people who even play zof are either in ranked or are sweating in a cas waiting for their team

    • @arizz620
      @arizz620 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      So what they should leave something so easy to remove just because there are bigger problems? If you don't think Ubisoft is trying to fix those problems then you would be more than wrong. They've addressed the issue countless times and they know how badly it's hurting its player base.

    • @semicolon4278
      @semicolon4278 Pƙed 3 lety

      The fact is, it seems like the majority of the community is okay with the zof nerf. The people who dislike it are in the minority. And when you consider the fact that pros, most ranked players, and even the majority of more casual players seem to be behind this change. So the the people saying "uBiSoFt DoEsNt CaRe AbOuT mOsT pLaYeRs" are wrong, and ubisoft is wholly in the right imo.

    • @adambasinger6239
      @adambasinger6239 Pƙed 3 lety

      Here's my question.
      What is it about balancing around the competative aspect of siege is mutually exclusive to catering to casual?
      In a game like league, you would have a point, where certain characters that don't really do much of anyting to high elo's are able to dominate lower down and so ignoring that would be a problem.
      But its siege, that's not a thing. Everyone has a gun, and the ways in which they are different come into play with more skill and planning and nerd shit, not with the lack thereof in casual.
      This shit doesn't work in economics, but in game balance, trickle down is usually the way to go because at the high level is where the differences matter and at the low level, where I am to be clear, we're just going to smash shit together and if it works it works.
      So what could Ubisoft do to cater to lower ELo's that they aren't doing? DDos affects higher rnak. MnK abuse on consoles affects high rank on consoles. Hacking affects high rank. Account boosting affects high rank.
      Also all of the above is, in no way shape or form, the perview of the people doing balancing. Its not their job, they don't work on it. So saying "they removed zofia's withstand instead of doing (things you listed)" is already a false premise. These things aren't just not mutually exclusive, they're completely disconected.
      So what should Ubisoft do to, in your opinion, cater to the casual community?

    • @mehemynxm6974
      @mehemynxm6974 Pƙed 3 lety

      I mainly play ranked. But I'm not blind enough to think this game survives on competitive. Half of the youtubers only play casual. The other half are either insanely good or just have good humour. The game has so many new issues every season it's ridiculous. And now they want battlepass along with season pass, a full price game, elite skins etc is just stupid.

  • @callmedaddy4232
    @callmedaddy4232 Pƙed 3 lety +46

    i think oryx should get withstand, it would make sense for him as he is entirely based on strength.

    • @yoink2068
      @yoink2068 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      That’s actually a pretty smart idea.

    • @DarshanBhambhani
      @DarshanBhambhani Pƙed 3 lety +6

      It’s a bad idea, literally the same thing as Tachanka withstand all over again. Defender + withstand = nightmare. Done deal

    • @cubbles5689
      @cubbles5689 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Did you watch the video?

    • @iluv_lyfe
      @iluv_lyfe Pƙed 3 lety

      I agree with the comment above me. I think since oryx can hop hatches, he doesn’t also need withstand

    • @GGE
      @GGE  Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Macie said this and I agree!

  • @warlord10100
    @warlord10100 Pƙed 3 lety +57

    Y’all worrying about something that impacted pl once while Blackbeard is in his current form is still in the game

    • @jekyll138.5
      @jekyll138.5 Pƙed 3 lety

      Blackbeard is balanced p well tho

    • @colinmonachus5920
      @colinmonachus5920 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@jekyll138.5 no

    • @Timurisoverhere
      @Timurisoverhere Pƙed 3 lety +8

      @@jekyll138.5 why does he even still exist?

    • @bobbywatson9563
      @bobbywatson9563 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@Timurisoverhere cause they don't want to outright delete an operator

    • @TaconIStenen
      @TaconIStenen Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@bobbywatson9563 they don’t need to delete an operator.
      Literally just give him another gadget. It worked for Tachanka.

  • @sniiggy2708
    @sniiggy2708 Pƙed 3 lety +43

    they should try giving everyone withstand on the test server i’d love to see how it would play

    • @714KH
      @714KH Pƙed 3 lety +4

      Eh, dunno. Seems like something that would serve defenders more that it would attackers. They're already on a timer and have to worry about claiming map control against people with amazing utility, intel and denial. Adding kill confirmation without touching the round timer would just be frustrating. Not against trying it out, just don't see how it would work. Maybe just give it to 1 speeds as a start? They have heavy armor, so it would probably make more sense for them to be able to pick themselves up too.

  • @jacuriosity3566
    @jacuriosity3566 Pƙed 3 lety +14

    Never heard anyone complain about withstand. I think giving ops more depth and complexity trumps the slight "unfairness"of secondary abilities if ubi only gave it to certain ops

    • @laerite
      @laerite Pƙed 3 lety

      Who have you been listening to???

  • @UlulvarCape
    @UlulvarCape Pƙed 3 lety +98

    I mean, I'll just say this again.
    I have barely heard anyone complain about withstand of Zofia. I get it, but like, I have heard 2 people complain and forgot about it, and a wave happened because of the pro shit happening.
    I get it... but it was just annoying. I feel like we need to test it more.
    I get the outrage but not a fan of "let's get rid of it immediately!"

    • @krona3803
      @krona3803 Pƙed 3 lety +15

      Her withstand is not a "random x factor", its just another part of her kit that you have to deal with. Its no different than operator gadgets, how are people mad at this.

    • @krona3803
      @krona3803 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      games like valorant have sage who can rez, is that a "random x factor?" No, its a part of her kit.

    • @XxAnalxLegendzXx
      @XxAnalxLegendzXx Pƙed 3 lety +24

      I feel like if you're getting killed by someone you just downed after they managed to go through that long ass animation to get back up with 1 HP, you kind of deserved it. I'm not saying that it can't come in clutch, but it very rarely does in the situations like Greg here is describing

    • @heroicryan6257
      @heroicryan6257 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@XxAnalxLegendzXx Agreed.

    • @sileyoji4993
      @sileyoji4993 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      thats so true because one time of 1000 someone wins because of this and everybody complaining

  • @johnt6773
    @johnt6773 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    Your salt really came out about the whole "it only happened once" lmfao if it was only an issue once, then it isnt really an issue.

  • @jdslipknot
    @jdslipknot Pƙed 3 lety +8

    imagine calling yourself a "pro" and cant kill a downed enemy immediately. lmao

    • @reelgesh51
      @reelgesh51 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      ever c4'd someone a floor above you only to find out it was a zof who got herself picked up
      no just me?

    • @themavrandbrickashaw5511
      @themavrandbrickashaw5511 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Who called themselves a pro? And you go ahead and try to kill a downed enemy from far away when they've fallen behind bulletproof cover, then get back to me on how easy it is.

    • @syntax2679
      @syntax2679 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@themavrandbrickashaw5511 he's referring to the pl match if you don't know what it is look through the comments

    • @bulletnotloaded3586
      @bulletnotloaded3586 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@syntax2679 Right and the Melusi in that clip couldn't find where Zofia was and couldn't finish her, allowing her to withstand and win the round

  • @nicholastkachuk5002
    @nicholastkachuk5002 Pƙed 3 lety +75

    I honestly don't know why everyone is so frustrated with this mechanic on sofia. Doc can res himself once on defense and gets 75 health from it. Finka can res downed people on offense faster than zofia. This all seems like scrubquotes to me

    • @juliane.249
      @juliane.249 Pƙed 3 lety +26

      People are complaining because for doc and finka, that's their actual ability they use and only have a limited supply of. For Sofia, she has a strong gadget and then gets one extra gadget that allows her to self res with no cost

    • @Asdf-wf6en
      @Asdf-wf6en Pƙed 3 lety +8

      That’s docs primary gadget. Zofia just has a weird ability.

    • @nicholastkachuk5002
      @nicholastkachuk5002 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Fair I can understand that even if I disagree. And to be absolutely clear, I'm not saying that withstand absolutely should stay. It's just the argument that, at least toy understanding, I'm hearing from most people is that the mechanic itself is broken, not necessarily that Zofia has it. The mechanic of being able to res yourself or others is fine. I agree it is mad weird Zofia has it though

    • @juliane.249
      @juliane.249 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@JoJo-qz6jo well why does she get to have that but no other operator, on top of her default gadget

    • @focus3507
      @focus3507 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I mean you can bearly use it in competative 99% you will get shot when dbno and you barely get hp i think it makes the game more interesting. In that way it will just be an esports game with no fun operators to play and im saying that as one that try harded r6s i had 1000 hours on it.

  • @flawlessgold
    @flawlessgold Pƙed 3 lety +40

    Never really got to use the withstand effectively

    • @anguswaterhouse9255
      @anguswaterhouse9255 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      once i used it then finka boosted us (after her evive feature got a buff

    • @tandemcamden6587
      @tandemcamden6587 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      But the thing is Nobody would be complaining about this If TACHANKA had it but Ubi said NAAAAAAAAAA because it wouldn't be a problem or shouldn't Because if Tachanka And zof both knocked each other Than It just comes down to a matter of aiming But this would never be A thing

    • @legochickenguy4938
      @legochickenguy4938 Pƙed 3 lety

      so nothing was lost then

  • @homedepotguys8088
    @homedepotguys8088 Pƙed 3 lety +71

    seeing as how casual makes up most of the playerbase...

    • @Crishz
      @Crishz Pƙed 3 lety +29

      And remind they only base their desicions on a win delta based on plat and above, which is like 10 ppl

    • @todd5purlock497
      @todd5purlock497 Pƙed 3 lety +18

      And it's pc, there is no console pro league.
      A group of people that only exist in one version of the game are making changes for everyone on all versions of the game

    • @matttheradartechnician4308
      @matttheradartechnician4308 Pƙed 3 lety +16

      @@todd5purlock497 console champ is a joke. It's just mnk shitters that would be gold on pc

    • @christopherjohnston6343
      @christopherjohnston6343 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      And contributes to a large portion of the revenue

    • @Theviewerdude
      @Theviewerdude Pƙed 3 lety +10

      @@Crishz if the game wasn't made to be balanced for higher levels of gameplay it would suck ass to get better at and have no incentive to continue playing to get better. There would be OP and annoying metas that you would HAVE to play with otherwise you don't win. If you're a casual player it doesn't matter as you can mess around regardless of what the meta is. I don't see the big deal whatsoever.

  • @MarksterC
    @MarksterC Pƙed 3 lety +13

    Stuff that also doesnt belong in a competitive game:
    screen turning grey and audio going near silent
    said broke audio, can hear half of a shotgun blast from a teammate across the map, then cant hear blackbeard vibing in the room next to me
    And dear God why is there so many ops with straight up poor gadgets, like blackbeard, blitz, lion, melusi, lesion... you get the idea
    and then the devs keep balancing them based on their gun, not the actual gadget. It took forever to actually nerf jager the way it should've been, the gun wasnt the issue, the 3 speed wasnt an issue, his gadget was lol
    Edit: how tf did removing angles grip from melusi change anything, and why did she even swap with oryx in the first place? His ability practically needs angled

    • @GiveMeTheRice
      @GiveMeTheRice Pƙed 3 lety

      This is not about those operators. Obviously there are other changes that need to be made, but you have to start somewhere

    • @714KH
      @714KH Pƙed 3 lety

      1. those are bigger issues that require more time and effort to fix, compared to something like streamlining your operators by removing arbitrary mechanics, and you know that. You're comparing apples and oranges.
      2. All the operators aside from Melusi got heavy nerfs or changes to their gadgets. But Ubi themselves have said that they don't want to nerf gadgets unless it's a last resort. It's their balancing philosphy. One that you don't have to agree with but it is definitely viable.

  • @copperbopper628
    @copperbopper628 Pƙed 3 lety +41

    This is like a little kid who, when playing a board game, gets mad and starts making up fake rules so that he can start winning again. Nobody cared about Zofia Withstand until someone got butthurt about it.
    I think it should stay. Was it kinda BS what happened? It most certainly was, but the other team should have taken that into account before starting to diffuse with a downed zofia above them.

    • @brunoz6728
      @brunoz6728 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      She was downed by a c4 and Melusi sprayed through the floor but didn’t kill her then zo wins a gun fight she wouldn’t have been in in the first place. Pro league is the only good part of this game anyway so I’m all for it

    • @copperbopper628
      @copperbopper628 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@brunoz6728 that mute was kind buns thođŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł. Maybe he deserved to lose.

    • @brunoz6728
      @brunoz6728 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@copperbopper628 yeah but even still zo shouldn’t have lived anyway rate name btw plz don’t bop me😂😂

    • @copperbopper628
      @copperbopper628 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@brunoz6728 lol I wont😉

    • @curryman3584
      @curryman3584 Pƙed 3 lety

      Nah she is the most used attacker that isn’t a hard breach or thatcher this is just one step further to nerfing her cuz this meta is kinda getting boring AND doesn’t take skill at all which is bad for a competitive game

  • @nooby9929
    @nooby9929 Pƙed 3 lety +23

    If “pro” league is the only thing keeping the game alive I think its time to just add some more casual or better ways to learn the game for the newbies...I’m sorta new, started beginning of shadow legacy, but I had no problem learning cause I’m a fast learner and watched a bunch of outdated videos and just experience but not everyone can learn the same, so they should try and appeal to the more casual people. I know this wasn’t related to the vid but I don’t like that it’s based around the word of pro players

    • @wrstr
      @wrstr Pƙed 3 lety +5

      a bunch of the pros and especially interro have voiced the want for a tutorial for new players to help them learn the game

    • @komessandtomikcoll2154
      @komessandtomikcoll2154 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      No the "pro" sceen isnt the think that keeps it alive its the 68% of people playing casual and people buying skins play the game how ever you want my fried you dont have to play competitive

    • @klaykid117
      @klaykid117 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I feel like this pro play at best for bringing money to the company via streams but it's more just an advertisement for the game

  • @TheUbernuck
    @TheUbernuck Pƙed 3 lety +11

    Get rid of unique guns for the operators so it's a more balanced game

    • @Maogar13
      @Maogar13 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      Everyone gets mp5 and a super shotty also no nitro cells or any kind of utility coz its unbalanced

    • @Crishz
      @Crishz Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Ye pls, and everyone looks the same.
      And also, all the maps are exactly the same, plis, they don't like tower

    • @TheUbernuck
      @TheUbernuck Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@pedroabumanssur976 if all the coppers left ubi would pull the plug since they lost 80% of the playerbase

  • @krin9437
    @krin9437 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    Notice how Zofia’s win delta is at or below the average mark. She’s not OP. She’s just picked a lot. Same deal with Jager and Ash. This was an unnecessary nerf.

    • @canid2088
      @canid2088 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      If her win delta changes at all from this, I'll eat my fucking shorts. 99% of bug fixes ubi puts out are more impactful than this change. The Zofia and Ela changes aren't intended to affect their performance, it's all for consistency's sake.

    • @SMSAceofSpades
      @SMSAceofSpades Pƙed 3 lety

      @@canid2088 if it doesn’t affect their performance, it defeats the purpose of a nerf, and therefore unnecessary. It’s like win twitch was being picked a lot so they nerf her bullet count. It was the reason she was picked so it was unnecessary because it didn’t fix the “problem”

  • @doctorinternet8121
    @doctorinternet8121 Pƙed 3 lety +10

    Honestly, I don't think this comes down to a counter-culture of "Us vs the Pros", but rather a disconnect from Ubisoft on the problems the game faces, whilst (often small) changes are made in direct response to the Professionals.
    Of course, I'm not a 10,000 hour professional, so feel free to take what I say with some salt, but I am talking from some of my experiences from my 850 hours over 2/3 years, along with the ~15 people I play with.
    When you've got issues like client-side debris, which effected *anyone looking into or out of a window*, taking months to fix.
    Repeated issues with claymores and shields.
    Non-corporeal shields.
    T-Hunt / T-Grounds being patches behind on weapons.
    Operators who were broken memes in the community for months, if not years.
    Hit-reg being broken where you could get two people, not moving, aim at their head, shoot, and not get a detection.
    Cheaters, Smurfs and Toxicity in all levels of play.
    Combine that with some of the *odd* choices they've made, saying they want operators to have less utility, then giving new operators huge amounts of utility.
    Saying they want to reduce the utility meta, then giving indestructible utility.
    Balancing Operators for their utility in co-op gamemodes, rather than MP ones.
    Replacing the entire development team.
    I'm sure Ubi are trying as hard as they can, but I'm sure you can see how you put all that together, combined with the amount of monetisation going into the game from those more causal players, where those issues stay for years, yet this gets resolved in a month.
    I'm not saying you're wrong, or that that idea is right, but that's how a lot of people see it, especially when the responses from those professionals can be downright dismissive.

  • @mulsimin__
    @mulsimin__ Pƙed 3 lety +57

    It's a game of chess and it's your fault for not knowing what the pieces do

  • @hawkin408
    @hawkin408 Pƙed 3 lety +23

    Alternative video title: In a game where every character has their own special gimmick. A character has their own special gimmick and it upsets me

    • @GiveMeTheRice
      @GiveMeTheRice Pƙed 3 lety

      Has a redo button*

    • @omarcaballero2011
      @omarcaballero2011 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@GiveMeTheRice wait i found a typo:
      In a game where every character has their own special gimmick, a character has a gimmick that makes no sense gameplay-wise other than their main gimmick and it upsets me.

    • @GiveMeTheRice
      @GiveMeTheRice Pƙed 3 lety

      @@omarcaballero2011 There we go, that's better

  • @duckman6659
    @duckman6659 Pƙed 3 lety +30

    The thing is it’s not only a competitive game

  • @welcome2wyzard
    @welcome2wyzard Pƙed 3 lety +8

    remember that this all started because two pro players weren't able to finish a downed Zofia in 5 seconds

  • @WyoGames
    @WyoGames Pƙed 3 lety +19

    Just remove every op and everybody can only play as Rookie if they want to remove abilities, that way everybody is the same and nobody can complain about anything

    • @Asdf-wf6en
      @Asdf-wf6en Pƙed 3 lety

      I wouldn’t mind a mode where it is recruit only if he had more guns.

    • @adambasinger6239
      @adambasinger6239 Pƙed 3 lety

      Oh come on you have to know that's bullshit right?

    • @aiden-sy3ex
      @aiden-sy3ex Pƙed 3 lety +1

      the ability to customize recruit's weaponry is a long-standing dream of mine

    • @Asdf-wf6en
      @Asdf-wf6en Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@aiden-sy3ex it’a like my dream of every operator having every gun sight

    • @adambasinger6239
      @adambasinger6239 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@aiden-sy3ex .... you do realize you can right?
      Like that's been a thing for a while now.

  • @Bordi88
    @Bordi88 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    If those zofia mains could read or understand English they would be really upset

    • @matttheradartechnician4308
      @matttheradartechnician4308 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      As a zof main its really fucking stupid that withstand even exists. Her gadget literally can tell you the general location of someone as well as destroy shields and utility from below. Her guns are amazing and she is a 2-2 op so she has good balance. Her being able to revive herself because, She misses her kids is fucking stupid im sorry.

    • @angellaraprado3659
      @angellaraprado3659 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@matttheradartechnician4308 how many times have you used that with stand and come out alive let alone kill some one

  • @Bigduck-qn4ut
    @Bigduck-qn4ut Pƙed 3 lety +13

    I personally feel like it doesn't really matter all that much. Keep it in the game or not. I just feel like it hardly effects that many games. The only reason it's getting removed is because it won a game in pro league.

  • @zaidtayeh4888
    @zaidtayeh4888 Pƙed 3 lety +33

    Literally shooting one extra bullet is enough to deny a withstand
    And considering defenders have SMGs
    That’s easy...
    This is not directed to gregor but to the pros and bikini the cry baby

    • @Zac-1421
      @Zac-1421 Pƙed 3 lety +13

      you also get up WITH 5 HEALTH if you cannot kill somebody WITH 5 HEALTH then throw a baby rage because YOU had bad aim then you should not have a reason to get mad if anything you should practice more

    • @zaidtayeh4888
      @zaidtayeh4888 Pƙed 3 lety +7

      @@Zac-1421 exactly dude if you spit on someone with 5 health they’d die

    • @Crishz
      @Crishz Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@Zac-1421 this is a serious message for them to "git gud"

    • @zaidtayeh4888
      @zaidtayeh4888 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@Crishz how the turntables

  • @yvngtempest8031
    @yvngtempest8031 Pƙed 3 lety +36

    I just don't see it as a big deal, honestly. It almost never actually makes a difference, and adds flavor and uniqueness to a character.

    • @mitchellvetter7719
      @mitchellvetter7719 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      what about when it does make a difference tho..................

    • @Simply_better22343
      @Simply_better22343 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      Shitty players complain after they die to it

    • @subwayfootlong2678
      @subwayfootlong2678 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      If it "almost never actually makes a difference" then why does it matter that it's being removed?

    • @virusproofficial1086
      @virusproofficial1086 Pƙed 3 lety

      I used to main Zofia and only time I can name actually using it was in Terrohunt

    • @Simply_better22343
      @Simply_better22343 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@subwayfootlong2678 you should read the rest of his comment

  • @mcspike5003
    @mcspike5003 Pƙed 3 lety +12

    The fact that this is being talked about and not some of the fucking uniforms in this game is incredible.

  • @benchapman997
    @benchapman997 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    Idk why people wanna get rid of this so bad. Who really cares? Its an extremely rare occurrence that hardly impacts the outcome of a match.

    • @arcane_luzion
      @arcane_luzion Pƙed 3 lety

      If your c4 had a 0.5% chance of randomly blowing up in your hand when you pull it out, would you still use it? Just because its rare does not mean it should stay in the game. Bad hitreg is rare but we still want better hitreg dont we?

    • @VincentTheOne
      @VincentTheOne Pƙed 3 lety

      @@arcane_luzion why shouldn’t it stay in game?

    • @arcane_luzion
      @arcane_luzion Pƙed 3 lety

      @@VincentTheOne its inconsistant, doesnt make any sense and makes the game harder to understand and learn

    • @benchapman997
      @benchapman997 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@arcane_luzion i just think that little details to operators would add more depth and detail to the game.

    • @arcane_luzion
      @arcane_luzion Pƙed 3 lety

      @@benchapman997 understandable but r6s is one of the deepest games out, way more complicated than valorant or csgo. We dont need more incosistent depth.

  • @ethandavis3762
    @ethandavis3762 Pƙed 3 lety +10

    I left siege because of how inaccessible it was. There are no tutorials at all and I would constantly get yelled at by tryhards for not knowing the game that I had no good way to learn. More learning tools would actually make me consider picking up the game again after 2 years.

    • @goosemagicflute
      @goosemagicflute Pƙed 3 lety +1

      They definitely need a better training mode and guides for each operator, that would be sweet.

    • @crazytigerspy9420
      @crazytigerspy9420 Pƙed 3 lety

      One learning tool is called experience you think everyone had a tool to learn? No you make mistakes and learn from them

    • @goosemagicflute
      @goosemagicflute Pƙed 3 lety

      @@crazytigerspy9420 Doesn't mean we shouldn't add learning tools to help newcomers dude. Experience can only get you so far in the beginning when the game doesn't even fully tell you what each gadget does and counters other gadgets. So yeah, learning tools are needed.

    • @goosemagicflute
      @goosemagicflute Pƙed 3 lety

      @@crazytigerspy9420 "YoU tHiNk EvErYoNe HaD a ToOl To LeArN." "Look at us, we did it the hard way back then so that means noobs have to learn the OLD and DIFFICULT way too."
      No, just no.

    • @crazytigerspy9420
      @crazytigerspy9420 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@goosemagicflute It’s really it that hard to learn though watch CZcams or just use an op shoots it’s gadget and figure it out from there quitting because you can’t spend like 5 mins on a video or just playing the game is just plain dumb lol

  • @bobey5022
    @bobey5022 Pƙed 3 lety +7

    Im sorry but the competetive match in question didnt go 2v1, 1v1, 2v1.
    It went 2v1, 2v0, 2v1 because a group of numbnut siege players instead of shooting through the floor decided to try and rush top floor through the stairs and unsurprisingly got blasted
    If they had just dumped a mag into the ceiling then they would've confirmed the kill

    • @Maogar13
      @Maogar13 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      And they are called pros...

    • @arcane_luzion
      @arcane_luzion Pƙed 3 lety

      Withstand wasnt removed because of pro play, it was decided to remove it months ago.

  • @focus3507
    @focus3507 Pƙed 3 lety +10

    I dont get it 99% of zofia withstand ends up getting shot when dbno ill say it spice up the game when you can clutch like that idk why they focused on that the game isnt as fun as before in season 4 i had so mutch fun now alot of my friends from rainbow went to other games i loved rainbow so mutch i had 1000 hours on it i was plat 3, so why remove content just because of esports? It makes the game boring

  • @jamarij5814
    @jamarij5814 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    Honestly I’m not even mad they took withstand out but what really pisses me the the fuck off is that they only took it out because a pro player whines about it. Like literally no one had a problem with withstand but all of a sudden when it effects you it’s broken. This only shows that Ubi only caters to the pro and doesn’t give a shit about its casual community.

    • @jamarij5814
      @jamarij5814 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@pedroabumanssur976 lol whatever, the people complaining are probably the ones that didn’t finish off the Zofia but ok bro

  • @LepidoliteMica
    @LepidoliteMica Pƙed 3 lety +46

    The thing with Withstand is that everyone defending it only has a disinclination to change things as an excuse, because there is no gameplay reason why it should exist. There is the lore reason, sure, but also keep in mind that the current lore says this is all a highly realistic training simulation, and thus Zofia's hidden special ability is _wiping paint in a paintball match._

    • @emberthecatgirl8796
      @emberthecatgirl8796 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      They do probably have electrodes in their undersuits that can temporarily constrict muscle movements. So I’d assume she just wills herself to ignore the whatever it is that makes her go all ouch and shit.

    • @creamybaguette6181
      @creamybaguette6181 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@emberthecatgirl8796 They wear suits that knock them unconscious when hit

    • @blakestephens333
      @blakestephens333 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Well the paint is actually in metal shells, as seen in the Tournament of Champions video. So the bullets are still being propelled by the usual way, expanding gas. I doubt they'd need special electrodes for them to go "ooh ouchie" when hit.

    • @jordanleighton6893
      @jordanleighton6893 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@blakestephens333 I still love the idea of hearing “MISS ME......ooooh ouchie”

  • @elijoseph5256
    @elijoseph5256 Pƙed 3 lety +12

    While I don't have an issue with Withstand being removed I 100% feel that there's a gap in the competitive and casual community of the game, they want different things and Ubi almost always gives into the competitive and ignores casual

    • @TheUbernuck
      @TheUbernuck Pƙed 3 lety +4

      The casual playerbase is much bigger too, but a requirement to play competitive in any game is having a high amount of salt in your blood

    • @jonathanjosept4316
      @jonathanjosept4316 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@TheUbernuck yes and this pros cant handle the salt

    • @elijoseph5256
      @elijoseph5256 Pƙed 3 lety +8

      @@pedroabumanssur976 you really are just adding to my point, its super dicky to discount an entire part of a games player base as inconsequential or stupid, generalizing like that is just plan wrong and the type of thing that makes me stay out of anything competitive because attitudes like that exist, its the reason Siege's player base is considered among the most toxic, if you have a negative opinion of someone be mature and keep it to yourself because no one else cares to hear it

    • @TheUbernuck
      @TheUbernuck Pƙed 3 lety +5

      @@pedroabumanssur976 My bad, the requirements for playing competitive in video games is a large amount of salt and a superiority complex

    • @funnyname7773
      @funnyname7773 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@TheUbernuck Jesus you really had to do em like that huh

  • @oldzealand5248
    @oldzealand5248 Pƙed 3 lety +10

    0:37 they should just give it to oryx since oryx looks so strong

  • @SpectralCathe
    @SpectralCathe Pƙed 3 lety +6

    As a proud DOTA patrician imma say: "Just figure it out lmao". Like really, imagine crying over single-digit number of random, senseless character interactions.

    • @tonin7166
      @tonin7166 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Same, those people never played a moba their whole life, so they don't even know you can have certain interactions or passives.
      That's why every character must be the same thing, over and over again.

  • @anthonyambrose7830
    @anthonyambrose7830 Pƙed 3 lety +23

    Isn't the clip mute losing a gunfight. That's the mutes faults. Ten times easier then a headshot

    • @juliane.249
      @juliane.249 Pƙed 3 lety

      Huh

    • @loser7895
      @loser7895 Pƙed 3 lety +9

      yeah the pro league player who lost whiffed the shots from her withstand and they clutched and the pro league player complained like a little bitch like its their fault not the games

    • @anthonyambrose7830
      @anthonyambrose7830 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@juliane.249 the reason the whole zof thing started was cause tsm the na champion ship with zof. But. The mute that took a gun fight (with defuser down) with the zof had more hp and lost. And I think a mel down below had impacts but idk. Jager himselfs newest vid includes it

    • @sithguy20awesome
      @sithguy20awesome Pƙed 3 lety +3

      That's ignoring the context. Right before Zof fucked up and lost a gun fight with height advantage, in a post plant. She shouldn't get to magically go unpunished for that and win the round.
      The only reason that round was won was on withstand, and it's inconsistency, they would have gone to secure but reasonably assumed they won at the shots landing, (because rounds don't automatically end in a post plant.)

    • @anthonyambrose7830
      @anthonyambrose7830 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@sithguy20awesome they're a pro team so they have the cord to do a good amount of things. the mute could have easily gottenhe zofs attention and even have baited sound forcing zof to turn. Yes she won off of withstand AFTER dz (I think) made mistakes. If the mute played safe he could have again baited and lasered her in the back. And they were right next to the balc window to jump down so he wasn't even far enough for time to run out. honestly I just think it's a waste of time to remove this stuff. Its another layer. Something interesting

  • @kohnjack
    @kohnjack Pƙed 3 lety +24

    Every operator should have a passive ability.
    Change my mind

    • @megavore97
      @megavore97 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Yes I agree, either they all do or none of them do, that would make things balanced.

    • @tandemcamden6587
      @tandemcamden6587 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      That's what I said For example Like smoke all the S.A.S can walk through smoke NOT BECAUSE OF LORE because of ACTUAL Armor and TACHANKA should have a 2 shot headshot change my mind

    • @phagecg6149
      @phagecg6149 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      either everyone is bullshit, OR NO ONE IS BULLSHIT

    • @bigfat4172
      @bigfat4172 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      This would be awesome. I'd love for them to go that almost moba-ish route of distinguishing the operators more.

    • @ariframennoodles8028
      @ariframennoodles8028 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@tandemcamden6587 and tachanka should only be able to see a Through straight line

  • @BikiniBodhi
    @BikiniBodhi Pƙed 3 lety +18

    Great video Gregor, hopefully people understand the reasoning being made now.

    • @TsukiWasHere
      @TsukiWasHere Pƙed 3 lety

      Hello everybodhi

    • @vxyll4199
      @vxyll4199 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      I shit my pants this morning

    • @y33trixxo44
      @y33trixxo44 Pƙed 3 lety +7

      No. This decision is shit. The pros cried. Withstand got banned. Just make another playlist with the settings of pro league. And put guns damage and or passive abilities different for pro league and public and ranked. This would separate the 2

    • @satis4
      @satis4 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Just waiting for Doc to cluch in pro league

    • @y33trixxo44
      @y33trixxo44 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@satis4 just waiting for ying to blind someone in a room and kill em. Then bye bye yings immunity to candelas

  • @aidanh6496
    @aidanh6496 Pƙed 3 lety +5

    "zofia is the only one that could withstand in the game"
    Doc: am I a joke to you?

  • @doorsareforopening
    @doorsareforopening Pƙed 3 lety +29

    Doc: perfectly balanced

    • @black_hydra1618
      @black_hydra1618 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Doc has to save a stim, Zoph doesn't

    • @johnySF
      @johnySF Pƙed 3 lety +1

      tbf Doc has to spend a charge from his main gadget, he can't do it without a STIM shot and it fits the character's style, as a Doctor.
      Zofia could get back up anytime without spending anything and she still had her grenade launcher alongside it.

    • @ttvabduh1126
      @ttvabduh1126 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@black_hydra1618 yeah he gets 3 can get any team mate to full health and even over can revive from long distances giving them 75 hp almost immediately. Finka can revive 4 people give 0 recoil,20 extra hp, basically become immune to barbwire, concussions from ela wear off 75% quicker. But oh one person reviving after 5 seconds broken and op

    • @doorsareforopening
      @doorsareforopening Pƙed 3 lety

      @@black_hydra1618 as if any doc main is altruistic

    • @black_hydra1618
      @black_hydra1618 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@doorsareforopening Ya see your right every doc main is selfish but your argument was that doc is perfectly balanced, A sarcastic comment I suppose , and he is perfectly balanced use he wastes HIS utility to pick himself up, zophia doesn't

  • @Taylor-wt9ud
    @Taylor-wt9ud Pƙed 3 lety +10

    I totally understand the continuity of removing these passives from the game to obtain competitive balance.
    That being said, I do wish that these stupid little quirks with the few operators that have/had them would be maintained inside of casual. I think this is a really good opportunity to make casual a little bit more casual, and to also play around with the operators a little bit more.
    This is, of course, just an opinion since I irrationaly enjoy passive abilities, but I still think it's a reasonable standing.

  • @hawky_y
    @hawky_y Pƙed 3 lety +8

    Damn are we back in the 90s because I just heard straight fax

  • @skyfee86
    @skyfee86 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    I find it interesting how people were freaking out back in White Noise when they showcased Zofia. People complained about her Withstand ability being op and wanting it removed. Fast forward to today and a lot of those same people don't want it removed because it's "lore-based". You love to see it.

  • @MASTERKEYHOLE_090
    @MASTERKEYHOLE_090 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    Zofia doesn't feel like Zofia without her withstand 😭

    • @wrstr
      @wrstr Pƙed 3 lety +2

      you cant say withstand doesnt matter cause its never used and then say that she doesnt feel the same without it

    • @MASTERKEYHOLE_090
      @MASTERKEYHOLE_090 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@wrstr Yeah, now that i think about it it might be true, but in my opinion, withstand made her "Unique". But that's just me i guess

    • @cgk1276
      @cgk1276 Pƙed 3 lety

      Yeah it’s weird

  • @J21Sin21
    @J21Sin21 Pƙed 3 lety +16

    OMFG i dont play csgo but those systems look fk amazing i only hope we get to something close to that in siege!

    • @alexignat007
      @alexignat007 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Imagine having good hit registry, balanced gameplay that require skill not some bullshit luck with where de bullet goes

    • @Asdf-wf6en
      @Asdf-wf6en Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Ubisoft is incompetent so you will be dissatisfied with them and they will still make money.

    • @definitelynotthefbi4412
      @definitelynotthefbi4412 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@alexignat007 Yeah I never really got why people liked that mechanic in CSGO.

    • @alexignat007
      @alexignat007 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@definitelynotthefbi4412 Yeah why tf i am a LEM in cs but a gold 3 in r6

  • @ridhosamudro2199
    @ridhosamudro2199 Pƙed 3 lety +18

    But can't it be just _nerfed_ ?
    "Withstand is now twice long to execute"
    Bam! Problem solved. Now you can deal with the defuser while she still can pick herself up

  • @Verzero
    @Verzero Pƙed 3 lety +2

    "The game needs to keep its competitive integrity" *doc has entered the chat*
    finka soon: comin for ya n-

  • @tehswordninja4915
    @tehswordninja4915 Pƙed 3 lety +7

    Totally fine with mechanics like this being removed. I think the literal only complaint I have is that ela is nerfed once again (even if its fairly small) for the 5th time in a row. it really feels bad to see the same operator get hit with flat nerfs multiple consecutive times when they are not even a high pick rate ""problem"" operator like jaeger with a 90% pick rate.
    And not to rant or anything (but to rant anyways) the 90% pick rate isn't even a problem, and I really don't get why people think it is one. it's so clear to me people (at least at higher elos) weren't picking jaeger "because his gun is op" or "he's a 3 speed" and great evidence of that is how the pickrate DID NOT CHANGE after his speed and gun were both nerfed.
    To see Get Flanked implying that the 90% pickrate was a "problem" really doesn't make sense to me. I think the only Jaeger change I've actually liked was the rework to the gadget, but I think it fails to address the larger issue - which is obviously the utility meta. Defenders are going to want to keep their utility up and if they can also avoid dying to frag or flash spam then there's no incentive NOT to pick an operator like Jaeger or Wamai. I just feel like this issue has been going on for so long and there's been a decent amount of rather pointless changes that just straight up missed the core issue - though that's not to say they haven't done NOTHING as evidenced by deployable shield changes and similar. Still, I feel like there's a lot more room to go.