Lots of people are bawking at the $229 price. Look, this is a beautifully machined grinder. It has nice, coated Itamill burrs. Italian design and build. How come no one bawks at the $325 price of the Commandante? That is made in Munich, and costs that much because of German labor costs. So, what's the deal? Why does Commandante get a pass? Cheers!
Commander is more expensive because it is a more easily recognizable brand in the field of manual coffee grinders. She has a cleaner grinding on the filter, she has a lot of design modifications, red clicks, the handle can be changed, you can make a stationary electric coffee grinder out of it, floating millstone technology. With it, you can grind Turkish coffee without burning the coffee.But I didn't use eureka. But I used 1zpresso, jxpro, it has a similar millstone, it spoils Turkish coffee, the taste goes too bitter
When I saw the kettle, for a moment, I thought you were going to use a milk frothing pitcher to pour the water (which is what I do because I am also cheap)! Great review, as always--thanks!
I played with one in a WoC 2023 and liked the aesthetics but didn't find it very interesting otherwise, and at the current selling price (more than $200), even less so. For about half the price one could get the Kingrinder K6. It would be nice if you reviewed the new MHW-3BOMBER R3 manual grinder. It has some very appealing features - external grind size control, all metal build, 16 micron steps, comes with 5 sieves in case you want to control grind distribution. It's currently priced even lower than the K6, so I couldn't resist and got one. My early impressions are that it's a killer grinder for the price. I believe they're selling at a loss to get more people to review the grinder. Just like Kingrinder did in the past (compare the K2 price today with what it was a year ago).
I like how easy this grinder is to take apart. I recently bought a KINGrinder K6. It works well, but the disassembly is a pain because it has a tiny retaining clip you have to deal with. Thanks for your review! I appreciate it.
Nice review as always! :) It's funny that one of the main issues people have with the automatic Eureka grinders is that the dial knob makes it hard to consistently switch between settings. Now they release a hand grinder where you have to manually count the clicks, kinda doubling down on the same issue. User research seems lacking. :D At least on the new Single Dose Pro, the knob seems to be improved. Any idea when they'll release that one?
Well, they'll be releasing a multi-turn knob on their newer grinders, which will be nice. And a lot of other hand grinders just have a "click and count" method. But yes, I would have preferred a solution where one doesn't have to count. Idk when they're releasing their new products. Should be sometime in 2024 though. Cheers!
Handy little grinder right there, Tom! That being said, for those low step grinders with dozen steps per one revolution out of several NEED indication which step (or even revolution) you are on and Kingrinder has that. I feel its kinda make it or break it when it comes to choosing one of those. High step grinders like timemore are fine imo, since espresso is at 7-9 steps and you have 20 clicks max. Loved the video. Cheers!
I agree. I don't mind fiddling with a grind adjustment that's not multi-turn, if the clicks are coarse. But there's an inherent issue with that lower resolution when dialing in espresso. That's why I sold my Normcore V4 and Timemore grinders. The K4 is very nice in this regard. The Baby also has a fine resolution and a beautiful design - just would be killer if they'd found a way to incorporate a multi-turn dial.
8m rewatching your hand grinder reviews. My Virtuoso+ is now at 2 to get a decent flow of espresso. Otherwise nice balanced review. I'd love to know about that large milk pitcher with rhe spout. Great alternative to thise high cost kettles. Thank you.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I know, I made some sacrifices to get one🤣 but I don't regret it a bit. At first I thought is a crazy amount that I will never spend on a grinder but it is so well build and performs so well that is worth it in the long run..
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Also, I forgot mentioning that my purchase was made with a bit of frustration, not because an issue with Kinu or anything but with my Timemore C3Esp that I still have. I was not sure spending so much on a Kinu, however, time come to open and clean my Timemore and after opening it and putting it back together the burr started to rub badly. I tried all the methods possible to put it back together but without any succes just to find that the outer burr sometimes is misaligned. I tried the method you greatly explained on your channel but they changed the desing with new grinders. You know there is a little hole at one side of the outer bur that you stuff with a paperclip or something so the outer burr does not move anymore? Well, the C3Esp has that same hole on both sides of the burr and one side has a small metal knob. So when you grind coffe, the outer burr moves and blocks in that small know from the grinding you do. I tried to put lots of things inside but to no avail. In the end, I bought some glue from the local hardware store and it was old so it stayed liquid for hours and, of course, it dropped inside and everywere as well. Then I tried to clean everything with isopropyc alchool and the glue transformed in something very rubbery. In the end, after lots of headaches and one week of trying to fix it, it works now as the glue did glue the outer burr enough for it to not move. However, that's the moment I said "well, I am getting that Kinu". I wanted something precise, long lasting- probably it will last a lifetime and well built after what happened with timemore.
Well, this ain’t made in China, so it’s hard to compete price-wise. I believe these are Itamill burrs, made in Italy. And I think the aluminum body and the rest have been machined in Florence. There’s a price to pay for European made things.
I get that you probably want to do a separate comparison video, but personally in reviews I'm not only looking for a showcase but also a comparison. After all it should help me decide what to buy So, I think the question still remains, does it beat the kingrinder?
I like the Kingrinder more for the outside, multi-turn dial. For my palate, I am not sure if I can differentiate much of a taste difference between these two grinders. The Baby is however is built to a higher standard, and I like the looks more. Price-wise, K4/K6 win though.
I like manual grinders but i can’t tell why they are so expensive. I mean this one looked 29.9 when i saw the bottom of it and how it get some stuck. I bought an electric delonghi for 40 euro at sale. If the manual one would be that much full price i would consider it, taking into consideration the lack of convenience and the fact it’s not that much material used.
Well, they still have to be CNC manufactured. Cutting steel for the burrs is also quite an expensive process. This grinder has been cut out of a block of aluminum, machined beautifully, has a very large bearing, a fine click adjustment, etc. Made in Italy. It costs money to make. Cheers!
Hi Tom. I have a new Eureka Zero and I have to grind 1 number off the zero point of the grinder to get 25 seconds extraction time.. is this common with eureka grinders?? Thanks
Hi Tom. Enjoying your videos. Which SuperAutomatic machine you think is the best for cappucino? I have Delonghi Dinamica Plus (Without bluetooth), it's in return period still. Thanks.
I haven't found anything I like more than the Dinamica so far. Way better than Philips/Gaggia imho. Jura is probably a close contender, but with Jura you cannot remove the brew group or access the burrs.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you very much for the reply. Before your reply, I was considering either Jura ENA8 or Eletta Explore. Currently, I own Dinamica Plus 380 . 95 . TB which has 15 Bar pressure maybe I should just upgrade to 370 . 85 . SB which has 19 Bar?
@@DanielNistrean in my experience all of those readings are just marketing anyway. None of these machines actually operated 15, or 19 bar. That’s just the maximum that the pump could provide, but it’s not what is actually running in the system. You need to keep the pressure down a bit lower for decent extraction. If I wasn’t your shoes, I would stick with the machine you have, as it’s a nice one.
@@mrtru1te Now I see - this isn't available on amazon.fr yet. Most companies start with USA, UK, Germany, and then branch out from there. Hopefully it'll be coming soon.
What's the issue with Eureka and not having a clue where on the grind scale you are. It's not that difficult people. Specialita, silenzia etc, and now the baby all the same issue
Well, they'll be releasing a multi-turn knob on their newer grinders, which will be nice. And a lot of other hand grinders just have a "click and count" method. But yes, I would have preferred a solution where one doesn't have to count. Cheers!
The K4 and K6 are very nice, and the K4 has been my goto recommendation for some time now. The Baby offers a new, more stately design. And if I'm not mistaken it's made in Italy, hence the higher price.
@@Scannamaiali You have to keep in mind that labor costs are much more in Europe, compared to China, as well as the social fees paid by the employer. That makes a difference in the price of the product, that’s just how it goes.
Coffee gear has become snake oil..how can you justify 220€ for a manual hand grinder made by parts which are sourced from China most likely. Even if its not its plain ridiculous!
It's made in Italy, as all Eureka grinders are. I mean, manufacturing costs are expensive, especially in western countries. They might even have had to buy a new CNC machine to make these, for all we know. Cheers!
The K4 and K6 are very nice, and the K4 has been my goto recommendation for some time now. The Baby offers a new, more stately design. And if I'm not mistaken it's made in Italy, hence the higher price.
Eureka is like Gaggia. Both are stubborn companies. Gaggia comes out last year with a newer Classic Pro after 10 years jusy now switching to 9 bar spring but now PID and faulty boiler. So many gaggia users over the years and thats the best they could do. No care for customer feedback. Eureka continously disregards their customers feedback as well. Crappy small dial knob and no indicator of settong on this toy. There is a reason asian companies like 1zpresso and Kindgrindet come out with better grinders. And where are the magnets. Everything nowadays has magnets especially catch cup. These companies are Old Farts
I don't know. I feel like Eureka is very innovative, especially in their electric grinders. They're showcasing a lot of new things this year. Gaggia on the other hand is lagging, that's true. Boilergate is quite a shame for the company. I like the GCP - just wish it had more cup space. Switching out to a 9 bar spring is very easy if you want to. But sure, they could have made the GCP much nicer, much longer ago. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCornerEureka is putting out more grinders, tampera, etc but they really really really took years on customer feedback to finally make a modern change. Reached out to gaggia last week because of boilergate with Evo Pro Bought it secondhand on marketplace for a ridiculous price last year. They will not honor a boiler swap. So doing to sand the coating off and sell it off and never buy another gaggia again Cant blame turin legato/apex for coming out with better bang for your buck machines that make Gaggia a thing of the past
Lots of people are bawking at the $229 price. Look, this is a beautifully machined grinder. It has nice, coated Itamill burrs. Italian design and build.
How come no one bawks at the $325 price of the Commandante? That is made in Munich, and costs that much because of German labor costs.
So, what's the deal? Why does Commandante get a pass? Cheers!
Commander is more expensive because it is a more easily recognizable brand in the field of manual coffee grinders. She has a cleaner grinding on the filter, she has a lot of design modifications, red clicks, the handle can be changed, you can make a stationary electric coffee grinder out of it, floating millstone technology. With it, you can grind Turkish coffee without burning the coffee.But I didn't use eureka. But I used 1zpresso, jxpro, it has a similar millstone, it spoils Turkish coffee, the taste goes too bitter
When I saw the kettle, for a moment, I thought you were going to use a milk frothing pitcher to pour the water (which is what I do because I am also cheap)!
Great review, as always--thanks!
I played with one in a WoC 2023 and liked the aesthetics but didn't find it very interesting otherwise, and at the current selling price (more than $200), even less so. For about half the price one could get the Kingrinder K6.
It would be nice if you reviewed the new MHW-3BOMBER R3 manual grinder. It has some very appealing features - external grind size control, all metal build, 16 micron steps, comes with 5 sieves in case you want to control grind distribution. It's currently priced even lower than the K6, so I couldn't resist and got one. My early impressions are that it's a killer grinder for the price. I believe they're selling at a loss to get more people to review the grinder. Just like Kingrinder did in the past (compare the K2 price today with what it was a year ago).
I think I might just get an R3 to play with, thanks for the recommendation. I like the red design element on the dial, and the magnetic catch cup!
I like how easy this grinder is to take apart. I recently bought a KINGrinder K6. It works well, but the disassembly is a pain because it has a tiny retaining clip you have to deal with. Thanks for your review! I appreciate it.
I agree, this is easier to take apart than the Kingrinder.
Nice review as always! :)
It's funny that one of the main issues people have with the automatic Eureka grinders is that the dial knob makes it hard to consistently switch between settings. Now they release a hand grinder where you have to manually count the clicks, kinda doubling down on the same issue. User research seems lacking. :D
At least on the new Single Dose Pro, the knob seems to be improved. Any idea when they'll release that one?
Well, they'll be releasing a multi-turn knob on their newer grinders, which will be nice. And a lot of other hand grinders just have a "click and count" method.
But yes, I would have preferred a solution where one doesn't have to count. Idk when they're releasing their new products. Should be sometime in 2024 though. Cheers!
Handy little grinder right there, Tom! That being said, for those low step grinders with dozen steps per one revolution out of several NEED indication which step (or even revolution) you are on and Kingrinder has that. I feel its kinda make it or break it when it comes to choosing one of those.
High step grinders like timemore are fine imo, since espresso is at 7-9 steps and you have 20 clicks max.
Loved the video. Cheers!
I agree. I don't mind fiddling with a grind adjustment that's not multi-turn, if the clicks are coarse. But there's an inherent issue with that lower resolution when dialing in espresso. That's why I sold my Normcore V4 and Timemore grinders. The K4 is very nice in this regard. The Baby also has a fine resolution and a beautiful design - just would be killer if they'd found a way to incorporate a multi-turn dial.
8m rewatching your hand grinder reviews. My Virtuoso+ is now at 2 to get a decent flow of espresso.
Otherwise nice balanced review.
I'd love to know about that large milk pitcher with rhe spout. Great alternative to thise high cost kettles. Thank you.
Hey Tom! Thanks again for the great review, keep it up! Can you maybe give us some suggestions for affordable and quality beans (in the EU)?
Not sure about the name, but nice grinder and review 👍 Definitely a fan of Eureka.
The most unexpected thing about this video is seeing you doing a pour-over. Hahahaha.
Great video, as always.
If you want, get your hands on a Kinu. I am quite sure you will love it.
Looks nice, but also like $250...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I know, I made some sacrifices to get one🤣 but I don't regret it a bit. At first I thought is a crazy amount that I will never spend on a grinder but it is so well build and performs so well that is worth it in the long run..
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Also, I forgot mentioning that my purchase was made with a bit of frustration, not because an issue with Kinu or anything but with my Timemore C3Esp that I still have. I was not sure spending so much on a Kinu, however, time come to open and clean my Timemore and after opening it and putting it back together the burr started to rub badly. I tried all the methods possible to put it back together but without any succes just to find that the outer burr sometimes is misaligned. I tried the method you greatly explained on your channel but they changed the desing with new grinders. You know there is a little hole at one side of the outer bur that you stuff with a paperclip or something so the outer burr does not move anymore? Well, the C3Esp has that same hole on both sides of the burr and one side has a small metal knob. So when you grind coffe, the outer burr moves and blocks in that small know from the grinding you do. I tried to put lots of things inside but to no avail. In the end, I bought some glue from the local hardware store and it was old so it stayed liquid for hours and, of course, it dropped inside and everywere as well. Then I tried to clean everything with isopropyc alchool and the glue transformed in something very rubbery. In the end, after lots of headaches and one week of trying to fix it, it works now as the glue did glue the outer burr enough for it to not move. However, that's the moment I said "well, I am getting that Kinu". I wanted something precise, long lasting- probably it will last a lifetime and well built after what happened with timemore.
That was an unexpectedly elaborate WDT tool.
Looks nice, but it's a bit on the expensive side.
Well, this ain’t made in China, so it’s hard to compete price-wise. I believe these are Itamill burrs, made in Italy. And I think the aluminum body and the rest have been machined in Florence. There’s a price to pay for European made things.
I get that you probably want to do a separate comparison video, but personally in reviews I'm not only looking for a showcase but also a comparison. After all it should help me decide what to buy
So, I think the question still remains, does it beat the kingrinder?
I like the Kingrinder more for the outside, multi-turn dial. For my palate, I am not sure if I can differentiate much of a taste difference between these two grinders. The Baby is however is built to a higher standard, and I like the looks more. Price-wise, K4/K6 win though.
V60 MODE to make a cup of coffee for me is the best
Hi Tom, thank you for share your videos and your knowledgment, I watch your videos from Chile, un gran saludo! gracias!
Lol. Radonculus. Excellent terminology Tom.
I try to keep my vernacular professional……not, lol. 😉
Very cool 👌
I like manual grinders but i can’t tell why they are so expensive. I mean this one looked 29.9 when i saw the bottom of it and how it get some stuck. I bought an electric delonghi for 40 euro at sale. If the manual one would be that much full price i would consider it, taking into consideration the lack of convenience and the fact it’s not that much material used.
Well, they still have to be CNC manufactured. Cutting steel for the burrs is also quite an expensive process. This grinder has been cut out of a block of aluminum, machined beautifully, has a very large bearing, a fine click adjustment, etc. Made in Italy. It costs money to make. Cheers!
Hi Tom. I have a new Eureka Zero and I have to grind 1 number off the zero point of the grinder to get 25 seconds extraction time.. is this common with eureka grinders??
Thanks
Yes, I am often 1-2 notches off of the zero point.Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Ooh, glad to hear that!
very cool
Hi Tom. Enjoying your videos. Which SuperAutomatic machine you think is the best for cappucino? I have Delonghi Dinamica Plus (Without bluetooth), it's in return period still. Thanks.
I haven't found anything I like more than the Dinamica so far. Way better than Philips/Gaggia imho. Jura is probably a close contender, but with Jura you cannot remove the brew group or access the burrs.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you very much for the reply. Before your reply, I was considering either Jura ENA8 or Eletta Explore. Currently, I own Dinamica Plus 380 . 95 . TB which has 15 Bar pressure maybe I should just upgrade to 370 . 85 . SB which has 19 Bar?
@@DanielNistrean in my experience all of those readings are just marketing anyway. None of these machines actually operated 15, or 19 bar. That’s just the maximum that the pump could provide, but it’s not what is actually running in the system. You need to keep the pressure down a bit lower for decent extraction. If I wasn’t your shoes, I would stick with the machine you have, as it’s a nice one.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you. Very much appreciated.
Sorry, one last last thing. How is Jura ENA8 better than Dinamica Plus? I've read praises.
hello tom i need your help
what should i buy ,stilosa ec 260 OR gaggia espresso deluxe, thanks
I’m finding that the GED in my opinion is kind of a POS. Therefore, I would suggest something from the ECP Series or a Stilosa.
What to buy, Delonghi dedica ec885 or hibrew h10a?
I'd do the H10A for the features.
Hey Tom, great video, as always. Is there any chance you could do a review on
Kitchenaid 5KES6503ESX ?
With this price EURECA should be compared to Comandante side by side. I'm scared to imagine how much would the adult grinder from eureka cost.😐
I've never tried a Commandante - too pricey for me. This one, at least in Germany is cheaper than the Commandante.
Nice video. Btw the EU link doesn’t work.
Thanks! Which country? Seems to work for DE. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner in France it’s not working for some reason. If I click on other links they do work.
@@mrtru1te Now I see - this isn't available on amazon.fr yet. Most companies start with USA, UK, Germany, and then branch out from there. Hopefully it'll be coming soon.
Oh okay! Makes sense :)
What's the issue with Eureka and not having a clue where on the grind scale you are. It's not that difficult people. Specialita, silenzia etc, and now the baby all the same issue
At least they’re consistently on brand ;D but yes I agree
Well, they'll be releasing a multi-turn knob on their newer grinders, which will be nice. And a lot of other hand grinders just have a "click and count" method.
But yes, I would have preferred a solution where one doesn't have to count. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCornerdo you have an idea when? Is it just for the baby or a new hand grinder is coming?
My biggest isdue with the hand grinders ive used is i don't know where i am at with grind level. Note I've only used cheap ones! 😅
too expensive! I have a Kingrinder K4 for 80 euros that I use for espresso on a bottomless filter which works great.
The K4 and K6 are very nice, and the K4 has been my goto recommendation for some time now. The Baby offers a new, more stately design. And if I'm not mistaken it's made in Italy, hence the higher price.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner yes, the fact that it is Italian is an excuse to overprice all coffee products.
@@Scannamaiali You have to keep in mind that labor costs are much more in Europe, compared to China, as well as the social fees paid by the employer. That makes a difference in the price of the product, that’s just how it goes.
Coffee gear has become snake oil..how can you justify 220€ for a manual hand grinder made by parts which are sourced from China most likely. Even if its not its plain ridiculous!
It's made in Italy, as all Eureka grinders are. I mean, manufacturing costs are expensive, especially in western countries. They might even have had to buy a new CNC machine to make these, for all we know. Cheers!
229.00? PASS!
Expansive, I can live with the KinGrinder K Series it’s Cheap and can produce the same grind
The K4 and K6 are very nice, and the K4 has been my goto recommendation for some time now. The Baby offers a new, more stately design. And if I'm not mistaken it's made in Italy, hence the higher price.
Eureka is like Gaggia. Both are stubborn companies. Gaggia comes out last year with a newer Classic Pro after 10 years jusy now switching to 9 bar spring but now PID and faulty boiler. So many gaggia users over the years and thats the best they could do. No care for customer feedback.
Eureka continously disregards their customers feedback as well.
Crappy small dial knob and no indicator of settong on this toy.
There is a reason asian companies like 1zpresso and Kindgrindet come out with better grinders.
And where are the magnets. Everything nowadays has magnets especially catch cup.
These companies are Old Farts
I don't know. I feel like Eureka is very innovative, especially in their electric grinders. They're showcasing a lot of new things this year.
Gaggia on the other hand is lagging, that's true. Boilergate is quite a shame for the company. I like the GCP - just wish it had more cup space. Switching out to a 9 bar spring is very easy if you want to. But sure, they could have made the GCP much nicer, much longer ago. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCornerEureka is putting out more grinders, tampera, etc but they really really really took years on customer feedback to finally make a modern change.
Reached out to gaggia last week because of boilergate with Evo Pro
Bought it secondhand on marketplace for a ridiculous price last year. They will not honor a boiler swap.
So doing to sand the coating off and sell it off and never buy another gaggia again
Cant blame turin legato/apex for coming out with better bang for your buck machines that make Gaggia a thing of the past
redonculous? he made up a word
I can't take credit for that - I think I heard Raj on the BBT say it once to Penny. ;)