Do You Need a Grinder as a Home Barista? You might be surprised!
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- Why is grinding your own beans so important for fresh coffee or espresso? That is exactly the question we answer in this video, demonstrating the difference in pressure, color and taste, when you grind your own beans, versus buying pre-ground coffee. Check below for some good economical grinder suggestions. We do the tests on a Delonghi Dedica, outfitted with a manometer.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:20 Experiment premis
0:50 Test 1: Pre-ground Espresso
3:06 Test 2: Capsules
5:29 Test 3: Grinding Fresh Espresso
7:58 Suggestions
Acknowledgments:
- This video suggested by my buddy Dmitry.
- How to install a manometer on a Dedica: • DeLonghi Dedica: How t...
- Pressure on Double Walled baskets? • Delonghi Dedica: How M...
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Thanks for watching...comments welcome!
Btw: what's your favorite grinder??
Danke für dieses tolle Video. Nach Wochen habe ich jetzt den Fehler bei mir gefunden. Ich habe viele espressosorten ausprobiert auch ganz frische von der Rösterei. Zufälligerweise weil es im Angebot war habe ich mir eine Lavazza Espresso italiano cremoso gekauft. Haltbar bis Oktober 2024. Mein bodenlose Siebträger in Kombination mit dedica hat einen hervorragenden cremigen Espresso gezaubert. Bisher wusste ich nicht ob es an meiner Maschine oderl an meinem Siebträger, oder an den Bohnen. Es lag tatsächlich nur an den Bohnen. Was ich aber nicht verstehe ist das frische geröstete Espressobohnen von der Rösterei nicht funktioniert haben.
@@quasimodo5177 Welche Muehle hast du?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner mmh meine dedica Mühle hatte ich weiterverkauft, da diese nicht fein genug mahlte. Ich habe mir eine kleine, laute und langsame von Zwilling geholt. Modell: Enfinigy. Für 79 € für den Beginn in die Espressowelt. Sie mahlt langsam, aber dafür bis in den Moccabereich.
Can confirm a 100% all that Tom says here. Just bought and tried the Sage Grinder Pro and used good quality beans. Using a non pressurized basket worked perfectly in unison with the ground beans. Crema produced and the taste on a whole other level. The dedica suddenly becomes a whole different machine for its price.
Awesome Alexander, thanks for sharing! Glad you are enjoying your setup. 👍🏻
I think for the first two coffees they needed to be placed in a pressurized portafilter since it would provide the pressure to provide the best possible shot. But with a bottomless portafilter those two coffees were not grounded fine enough to produce the resistance needed for a great shot.
Yes but it shows that you can't do proper espresso in a proper basket with pre-ground
The test that made sense was to compare preground coffee in the pressurised filter and fresh ground in the non pressurised filter.
Hi tom, and thanks for all the great content, your videos are always so relatable to the problems i face, and easy to follow. I learnt from watching your shots more than any other creator on youtube, especially that you explain them using equipment that are beginners friendly.
Thanks again, and keep up the good work.
Hello there! That is mighty kind of you to say. It’s comments like these that make me happy to make the videos. 👍🏻
Cheers! ☕️ Tom
Finally a dedica video, always so nice to watch 👍😄
Glad you enjoyed it, Rezart! Cheers!
THANK YOU!! Will check on suggestions below!
You betcha! Have fun experimenting. :)
The 1st test i see on you tube. 👍👍👍
Interesting experiment and clearly presented. Great job - as always, Tom!
Another huge advantage of having a grinder is the possibility to grind fresh for other methods as well, i.e. Pour-over, Aeropress or French Press. I'm a big advocate of grinding at home 👌
Great point, Marek! Especially with hand grinders with virtually no retention. Cheers!
Hi Tom, very nice video as always. I just want to suggest a modification to the experiment: maybe you should try to use the original Dedica pressurized basket for the pre-grounded coffee because it is not fine enough to go on a non-pressurized basket. I have a manual grinder myself and I totally agree that it makes all the difference but to be fair I think using a pressurized basket for the pregrounded could improve the results.
Hi Paolo, I did that experiment here: czcams.com/video/klqspR4Sou8/video.html
Cheers! Tom
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Could you redo the test please, but use preground in the pressurised cup, and fresh ground in the non pressurised. That's the comparison id like to see. I currently use lavazza pre ground the pressurised Cups and think its OK, but I do make a cappuccino with it. Would the taste difference be that noticeable with the addition of milk?
Yes, this is a completely flawed experiment. The preground espresso was never meant for a non preasurizes filter. The reason for that the experiment shows is that it is simply not fine enough.
@@philfen2972yes I have a latte every day and the beans make all the difference, pre-ground coffee is already stale when it gets to the shop shelves. With freshly ground beans you can get beautiful flavour if you dial it in correctly (which is not too hard for medium roasts)
interesting tests we are curious of different packaging, and you save us from trying ourselves
Great vids!
Must have taken a whole lot of grey cell to come to this short concise comparison.
Have not seen similar video anywhere.
A very insightful video !
Glad you think so! Thanks for watching!
Hi, I'm currently using preground Lavazza crema&gusto classic for espresso with a standard Dedica setup. Espresso taste it's fine. Better taste I get with Passalacqua Cremador. The best taste in absolute that I got was using Brigante made by Costanzo coffee shop.
Off course I can find this coffee here locally (Napoli, Italia).
Thanks.
Hi Tom, awesome video one again. I took your advice the last time and got the eureka mignon manuale paired up with my delonghi dedica. The difference is worlds apart from my previous delonghi kg79 grinder. My kg79 was modded to grind finer but just could not get the consistency correct. Take care. Jaaved
Very nice, Jaaved! I believe the Manuale is absolutely the BEST grinder for the price out there. I am glad it is serving you well! Cheers, Tom
Recommend grinders
Thanks great video
Hi there! I have some recommended in the description, but check them out here as well: kit.co/tomscoffeecorner/grinder-suggestions
Tom I just got the new Timemore C3 Max and it's a very serviceable espresso grinder. Worth checking out if you get the chance. Really impressed at the newer generation or budget hand grinders
Awesome Neal, thanks for that feedback! Do you mean this one here? amzn.to/3TpZt9t
I have seen it listed as C3 Max and also C3 Pro. Don't know what the difference is. How is the inner burr wobble on that one? How fine can you set the clicks before the burrs touch while spinning the body? Cheers!
Nice, I've got the Sage Smart Grinder Pro. Great machine for it's price. And the Lavazza is a good coffee, I usually buy it as my roastery has special opening hours ^^
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Started to buy multiple bags of 1 kg lavazza when they bring freshly roasted beans to the supermarket. I vac the whole bag and puts it in the freezer. Then when I want more, I let the bag thaw out still in vacuum. Put it in 3 different bags and vac them and puts them in the freezer again, with 1/4 up for using at a time. Works really great. As long as you let them thaw in vacuum bag the beans dont seem to get any condensation on them, and they smell and taste super fresh.
Lavazza beans aren't amazing though, it's much better to buy from local roasters as it will be fresher, better quality, better value for money and you get to support local business
thx for your expoalantaions, which I can confirm absolutely: After trying out the combo with a big Vibiemme Dualboiler and a simple Macap grinder (appr. 50% retention each of 3-4 times a day) some years ago, now I came back to the dry-espresso making - simply due to one major reason: because good and reasonable priced grinders (particularly for single dose w/out retention) came to market the last years. And now I changed the combo, quasi vice versa: a more expensive grinder (EMIL t64 with SSP HU burrs) plus a simple Dedica 885. Of course I will have to try harder to tweak the Dedica, but I am much more satisfied than before: 1. it safes much place in the smallish kitchen corner and 2. together the combo is 800 bucks instead of formerly 1800. And if I decide to go for some kind of standards burrs like italmill, I will safe another 150 euro.. for that amount I can afford some coffee beans more;-)
Awesome! I still very much like my Dedica. It does a great job for its size and price. Cheers!
excellent video once again, i followed your mod to add the pressure gauge on the same(similar delonghi) machine, using a eureka grinder - results are amazing - yeah always check the roasting date on the beans when i can afford the local beans - lately its been coffee beans from costco - using a organic bolivian right now - 20$usd per kg - not cheap either 😅 - looking forward to more videos from you!
Sounds great, Samson! Glad you're liking the Delonghi, and Eureka makes a great grinder! I will look for those Bolivian beans when I am at Costco next. 👍
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I was using the single origin mexican beans from Oaxaca kirkland brand for a while but they discontinued it -
Thank you. Danke schön👍👍👍👍
Hey my fellow espresso fans. Just fyi. The Mueller electric grinder (listed on Amazon U.S. and I imagine Europe also) is excellent as well. Cheap, well made, quiet and can grind fine enough for espresso as is. I however made it grind even finer by removing one little washer from the grind chamber and now it works very well for both my Delonghi Dedica and Flair manual espresso maker by just a few clicks difference. Happy drinking!
Leant so much from you Mr Tom, thanks
I like dark roast, do you think medium roast will be strong enough?
Hi there! Just try it out, and see what you like. I like a med-dark roast for espresso.
Ascaso is a nice one as well
Obviously, beans will taste better with a proper grind. But I think pre-ground is supposed to be extracted with a pressurized basket in order to achieve a better result because it is much coarser, so not really a fair comparison.
I get the question all the time, how I get nice looking extractions. Most beginners either start without a grinder, or with stale supermarket beans.
I made this video to illustrate for new home baristas, the importance of a grinder. 👍
Great video and you've convinced me! I'm on a budget and have been looking at the timemore and kingrinders, but whilst the blurp say most can do espresso, other CZcams reviews say they won't. I'm new to home coffee making; what would anyone recommended please?
Hi Mark, the Kingrinder K4 works Great for espresso. I just recently made a video about it. For the price, it can’t be beat.
One more great review! Thank you for making such high-quality content! Just one question - would you suggest buying more affordable electric grinders such as smart grinder pro or more premium manual grinders such as Kingrinder K4? Thanks in advance!
The K4 is the only hand grinder I use now. It's better than the others. But still, I prefer an electric grinder, because it's too strenuous and cumbersome to hand grind all the time.
Hi Tom,thanks for all helpful videos,.
Is graef grinder good enough for home espresso marking.?!
Hello Hamed, yes it works fine, but you have to install a couple of included washers to grind fine enough. It is a good start into espresso, but the Eureka Manuale is the best grinder to save up for, in my opinion. Cheers!
Hi Tom, first of all, thank you for all this quality content you create and share with us. If you could answer one question, I already have an espresso machine, specifically the Delonghi EC151.b. I've had it for 3-4 years already, without any problem. As a next step to upgrade the roughly good result I have now, would it be to buy a new machine, for example a Delongi Dedica model or buy an electric coffee grinder? Thank you again!
Hi! Well, the Dedica is in my opinion a very capable machine, and much more when modified. The EC151 in comparison is very bare bones. I don't really like the ergonomics of it at all, with the portafilter and how the pucks are emptied. The frother is rough, too.
That being said, if you are satisfied with it, then feel free to get a grinder. You can use non pressurized baskets with the EC151, just like with the Dedica. Best, Tom
Amazing videos. Learning a lot. Any manual grinder that you recommend that don’t break the bank account ? Thanks
Thanks, Tiago! Check the description. I have a link with some suggestions. I guess for the money, Jx-Pro is the best. I just did a review on it.
Hello Tom! I really like your videos. I recently bought a dedica 685 and I'm learning how to use it by watching your videos. I have some questions though:
1. What do you use to record your videos? Iphone? camara?
Your videos are well done and they look pro.
2. What accesories do you recommend me?
Hi Delantal! Thanks for your kind comment. I use a Canon M50 and 22mm lens. I use an iPhone sometimes for closeups. I will put a link to my equipment if you are curious.
As for the Dedica, a bottomless portafilter and basket, with a good tamper are always nice to have.
Dedica accessories: kit.co/tomscoffeecorner/delonghi-dedica-accessories
Camera Gear: kit.co/tomscoffeecorner/studio-gear
You have the inventor mentality/curiosity
Hi Tom, thanks for the great video. Can I use this espresso machine with the DeLonghi KG40 grinder?
Hi Hilmi, no that is a blade grinder. That will be way too coarse and inconsistent in particle size. The cheapest you can do is probably the Graef CM702.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I was thinking about buying a manual grinder, what do you think, do they work well for espresso?
Hello Tom! Again, great content! My machine arrives tomorrow. I've bought the EC785 because it was with great discount and the tamper and the cup are a great addition. As I said in other video, I will at start using Lavazza or other pregrounded coffe. Wich grounder do you recomend in range of 50 to 75€? If that's possible ofc. Thanks!
Hi! The absolute cheapest grinder I know and can recommend is the Graef CM702, which sometimes goes for 75 euros. Cheers!
Tom my new dedica get the single and double shot buttons flashing everytime I use steam with milk, its normal? I need to turn off and turn on again to those buttons stop flashing.
@@OMGodini you need to drain the excess hot water for the steam. It should take around 2-3min to empty the extra heated water
Hi Tom, thank you for sharing your knowledge through all these great videos. In the Grinding Fresh Espresso section of this video, you're using the TIMEMORE Chestnut C3S PRO Manual Coffee Grinder, yet in the comments section you are recommending the KINGrinder K 4 Manual Coffee Grinder: which one is the better choice? Pros and Cons? And how long does it take to manually grind 15 grams of coffee? Price is not really an issue since there is only a $10 difference. The alternative would be to buy a Breville Smart Grinder Pro (I don't want to spend more than $200), but from what I have read, it sounds like I would get a better espresso grind with the aforementioned manual grinders. Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions!
The Kingrinder K4 is way better than the Timemore Chestnut Nano I Was using here. I have since sold the Timemore, but I am keeping the Kingrinder. It's the bees knees. 15 grams in about 30-40 seconds.
That being said, grinding manually gets cumbersome fast, so I'd recommend an electric grinder.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Yes I can see that grinding manually could get old after a while! So between the Breville Smart Grinder Pro and the Baratza Encore ESP Grinder, what's the better choice? Btw, I have gone for the DeLonghi ECP3420 with all the required "advanced mode" accessories (portafilter, IMS basket, etc.) as recommended in your excellent video review.
@@pls54 Honestly I would see if you can swing the Eureka Manuale. Which market are you in?
Hi Tom from Greece! how are you? I came across some nice arab trick which is really simple and easy, but since I don't have a manometer portafilter, can you please test it?
During the extraction, progressively open the steam knob.. so water flows through steam wand as well. Water flow in the grouphead will start decreasing, and thus pressure will change. I tried it myself and I indeed noticed a difference in extraction but I don't have a practical way to measure it.
Thank you in advance!!
Thanks for the good idea! I have tried this on the GCP. I will see if I can get around to testing that. Greetings to Greece! Tom
Hi Tom, firstly thanks for your all videos. I make only a few cups at home so I don't want to invest a lot and I'm looking for some cheap grinder. I have delonghi kg89 and catler cg 510 on my short list. Would you "recommend" one of these or it's only waste of money? Thanks.
I would recommend at least a Baratza ESP or Fellow Opus. You'll have to mod the above two models for espresso.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner So, I've decided to be more romantic and ordered KINGrinder K4 :)
Do you have a video about the manometer installation?
How to install a manometer on a Dedica: czcams.com/video/Scsm9Vw6JrA/video.html
Hi Tom, is the hand grinder the C2 or C3? Only both appear on Amazon but not particularly good reviews for Espresso…? Andrew
Hi Andrew, I would suggest the Jx-Pro. It is way better for dialing in. Nice to hear from you! Tom
Hey Tom - For those beans are they the Lavazza Gran Crema espresso beans? I haven't been able to find fresh roasted beans near me but have easy access to Lavazza.
For me the best have been Lavazza Aromatico (maroon bag), and the purple bag.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner You're incredible- thank you sir!
Just wondering what grinder you used in this video? It doesn't look like the one in your kit but looks like it did the job alright in this video.
That's the Timemore chestnut nano.
Thank you!@@TomsCoffeeCorner
I think that pre-groudn coffee and beans cost like the same for the same brand. I have checked that with local roasters and multiple supermarkets and the preice was always the same.
Maybe - depends on the market I bet.
You need to show the results using pre-ground coffee using the pressurized portafilter. That is how the machine is designed.
Can coffee beans be frozen to preserve freshness? I only use 8-16 grams a day, so a pound of coffee will be sitting on my shelf for up to two months.
I did that experiment already: czcams.com/video/klqspR4Sou8/video.html
I am not sure about storing in the Freezer...never tried it. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner it would be interesting to see the manometer readings for pre-ground coffee and pressurized portafilter.
How do you know the correct amount of coffee for the bottomless portafilter? I've bought mine but it doesnt show in any place the capacity. I've see you making 14g, 15g or even 16g in some videos.
The dose is dependent on the beans. You can fit more light roast in the basket, than dark roast, for instance. You can also kind of up-dose and down-dose. Just choose 15g to start, and see how you like it. Then you can adjust from there. Cheers!
Hi Tom, My Dedica Style finally came and I have been having trouble with the portafilter being very ,very tight on it. Seems to be tempermental which has decreased my enjoyment of using it. I have tried applying a little cooking oil to the rim of the portafilter which helped briefly. This morning I couldn't get water through the portafilter (with no ground coffee in it ) and so much pressure had built up that I had to turn off the machine and wrestle with it to get the portafilter to budge (could hardly remove it from the machine) - any ideas what may be going on? I am assuming that the portafilter /grouphead will wear in a bit better with more use but this is the tightest fit I have ever come across. I am about to order a Breville/Sage Smart Grinder Pro for my Bambino Plus set up ( one step at a time!) Thanks for all your helpfull and entertaining videos!
While we wait for Tom’s reply, here’s my takes;
1. Fineness adjust has to go from coarse to finer, until a point. If go from most fine setting, many other factors may complicate the results, such as tamp.
2. WDT helps.
Hi Chryseas! I just bought a new EC885, and I was surprised how stubborn it was. But, after a few days, the PF slid in nicely. I don't know why it would have built up pressure however without coffee, unless your basket is clogged. Hope you like your new grinder! Tom
@@TomsCoffeeCornerThanks Tom- I hope that pressure incident is a one off but Delonghi should modify that portafilter tolerance. If this was my first machine I would be sending it back but I do suspect that it will wear in with more use. I am still getting used to the flashing lights sequence but do appreciate having a dedicated on/off switch. Breville/Sage should take note. I tried the panerello just once to check it out but then removed it as the rubber steam wand does a superior job. I was able to get some nice milk texture and it has shown no signs of flying off so the cable tie has not been needed (yet!). I would say that this Dedica Style model is on par with the Bambino ( not the Plus) but the Bambino does feel like a more solid machine in use and has a better steam wand. Both are good entry level machines that can satisfy a lot of users beginner and more experienced. However , the Bambino Plus is the best all rounder and the easiest to use and enjoy, in my opinion.
I have seen many videos of yours, but I have not seen any video where you make an espresso for 2 cups at a time.
Is it not possible to do it?
If it is possible to do it, how many grams should I put for 2 cups?
Hi Rob, well I mean I use the double basket for each extraction. But since I use a bottomless portafilter, the espresso ends up going into one cup. If you want to split between 2 cups, you have to stick with the original portafilter, or buy a new dual spout one.
A good grinder is even more expensive than the espresso machine.
What if i ask my local coffee shop or starbucks to grind for me? Perhaps 250g and use it for a week. Would it still be fresh enough?
Nope, sorry. You need a grinder. Best case, pre-ground lasts like 1-2 days.
Hey Tom! I've got a question but it's a bit out of the videos context. Have you ever had a "bulging" filter basket problem? Two of my filter basket is a bit bulged out on the middle and i think maybe it's because sometimes i grind too fine and it acts as a blind basket. Just wondering if it's a normal thing or not
Hi there! No, I have never experienced that. What manufacturer is it?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I don't know the manufacturer, they sell these unbranded 51mm filter basket on my local E-Commerce app for like $3-7 dollars, and to get the branded version there's only VST and IMS which have a huge difference in price gap, like $10-15 dollars difference. I might need to get a new one though 😅 the bulging out shaped basket might be the one causing my donut extraction. Thanks for letting me know!
What is the physics behind pressure? Why pre-ground coffee doesn't get 9 bar or more then the 4bar pressure but fresh grinded coffee beans get more than the 9 bar pressure?
Brought delonghi dedica ec 685, when should I Know that my machine needs to descale.
There are two main factors here affecting pressure. First of all, when you grind yourself, you can grind as fine as your grinder is capable of. The finer the grind, the more resistance the puck offers to the incoming water, raising pressure. Secondly, pre-ground coffee has more surface area than beans do, and therefore gets more oxidized, releasing carbon dioxide. The more oxidized the coffee beans/powder, the less resistance they offer. Your machine will flash orange when it's time to descale. Cheers!
What if you don’t have something to weigh it with??
I appreciate your argument that freshly ground coffee and a non-pressurised basket produces the best results, but I don’t see the point in trying to use pre-ground coffee in a basket that was never designed to use it. Putting Nespresso-grade coffee in a standard espresso machine is silly, as the beans have been ground to work specifically for the Nespresso way of brewing coffee. And as someone who’s tried grinding my own coffee and using it in reusable Nespresso capsules, I’ve learned that it’s very hard to find a grind setting that works well in one of those machines. Another point worth mentioning, is that those Nespresso capsules cost about 30p each, so your experiment was equivalent to paying a £1 for each cup of coffee, and it would never be economic to use them anyway.
Hi Stephen, I agree with what you are saying. I was just curious to see how finely ground the capsules were. As they produced the same pressure as the pre ground espresso in a can, I guess the grind fineness must be similar, if both coffees were similar in age. Cheers! Tom
Hi Tom. I have a question. I bought dedica 685 and graef cm702. I am a student so my budget is very low even though it's too pricey in my country. Grinder is still in shipping but dedica came yesterday and i tried with my hario slim plus. Some came good some came bad i am trying to get use to it as a beginner. I am making mokapot and V60 too. I use hario more than 1 year and i got so overwhelmed of hand grinders because of this. Do you think graef cm702 is a good choice for grinder? Would it last long like 5 years and more? Please tell me your opinion. Thanks for the videos.
Hi there. I started with the CM702, and it is a good grinder for the price. I have made some good shots with it, and it has lasted several years already. It will be nicer to use than a hand grinder, in my opinion. Just don't forget to do the washer hack on it. I have a video on that. czcams.com/video/p1XF9pBHZiw/video.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you so much, i am going to try that as soon as possible. I came with another question. Unfortunately my dedica cant make 2 shots. When i press the 2 shot button for warm up, water comes 65 ml just fine but when i put it with coffee it only makes 30 ml. What should i do? Should i grind coarser or finer?
@@crimson9816 30ml in the cup sounds right. The coffee puck absorbs some of that water. Cheers!
Pre ground was so trash. When was it roasted? I wouldn't of even tasted it. Good video. Just as a suggestion I think your click through rate would go up with touching up thumbnails. I think tighter, product photography type shots.
Hey Marine! Thanks for your feedback. Yes, preground sucks. I don't know when it was roasted to be honest...
I made a poll about which Thumbnail is better. Check it out: czcams.com/channels/4Nd2cbrL124cZsHMnfBTwg.htmlcommunity
How would you dial down the pressure? I don’t think this little DeLonghi is able to do that.
Just go from 8 clicks to 9 clicks on the grinder. I did that in fact and got 8.5 bar. But I omitted that to keep the video shorter.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks
It's a bit unfair to use preground coffe with the bottomless portafilter, You should have used the pressurerized portafilter instead for better result.
Hi Amir! I did that comparison here: DELONGHI DEDICA EC685 HACK: GET the BEST Espresso with STANDARD Basket!
czcams.com/video/klqspR4Sou8/video.html
What is your recommendationfor a home grinder when you only need for 1 person? A good Manual or electric?
That depends on you. I am lazy, so I prefer the much alleviated workflow of an electric grinder. But a buddy of mine just makes coffee for his wife every morning, and he hand grinds with a K2. He's satisfied, and I guess less lazy than me. :)
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Ah yes, thanks for the reply! I see the benefits of both. I think as a starter and as someone with limited kitchen space I would spot for a small decent hand grinder. The Timemore range looks good, and I like the aesthetics too.
@@Kokeshiflower Try a Kingrinder instead. Timemore don't have great resolution for espresso...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you for the recommendation!
Hi
the graef cm 850 vs graef 702 whitch is better?
Hmm, I’m not sure. The CM850 is newer, but doesn’t get the best Amazon reviews. I think the CM702 is probably the safer bet.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner nice thank you very much keep up the good worκκκκ
How old are the beans, production date please 🙏
Hi! I am sorry to say but I already tossed the package. I think they were 6-9 months from packaging date.
If my portafilter is 18gram basket,what gram max should i put in?
Hi! Probably 18grams then, but leave some headspace. Most likely you can do 16-20 grams depending on roast.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks tom...i already try with 18 but to full..im lowering dosage
this is not a fair comparison. you should have used delonghi's pressurised portafilter with preground coffee.
That’s a good idea Gordan, maybe I will make a video to examine how the pressure is with the pressurized portafilter.
The point of the video however, is really too show new baristas the point of having a grinder.
15 grams or 13 grams of coffee for a non-compressed basket?
I use 14-16 grams, depending on the roast.
So Tom, my last year new Dedica 685 strikes, went i put 16 grams coffee from beans in it. 16 gram in a bottomless filter, and it strikes. No coffee, nothing. I watch all you’re video on the Dedica . But my Dedica won’t work. He tried, but a little bit of water, and it stops. , went you want I can make a video of it 4 you, so you can see with you’re own eyes. Greetings 🖖 👍🙏🤩🐕🙋🏼♂️🇳🇱☕️👌🇩🇪
Maybe your grind is too fine?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thnx Tom 4 you’re reaction. I just bought the Graef CM 800, he goes from fine and 0 to 40. I tried around 8-9. And he strikes all ready. In you’re videos you go much finer, with the same machine.
My Lavazza ground espresso comes out much better than yours from my Dedica at default settings.
for poorly ground coffee, an original basket is needed
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I made this video to illustrate for new home baristas, the importance of a grinder. Many just buy the machine, without committing to a grinder. I hope this helps illustrate why a grinder is needed.
I would imagine that pre-ground coffee is not ground as fine as you would grind for yourself.
That’s right Tom. This video is meant to illustrate that to beginning barista‘s. Some people are not aware of that, when they’re first starting out. 👍🏻
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Yes I commented before seeing your passing remark in the video about this. Decent brought up the same subject up in a recent video about grinders, but their explanation did not correspond much to my measured experiences. One of the things I like about your videos is how you remain concrete.
you use wrong pre ground its for moka and french press
Hi there! It works real well for pressurized baskets, too.
I think your experiment is biased because u didn't work with same grinding size for the three shots (even pre ground coffe must be grounded even finer )
Hi Danai, The point of this video is to show people why they need a grinder. That way, you can grind as fine as you need to.
A lot of people start out with an espresso machine, but not yet a grinder. This video is for those people. 👍🏻