FAQ Part 2: Q - I want to increase my capacity but I don't want the ride height to change A- Don't think about installing coil springs, install an air bag and compressor, then you can pick your ride height at any time at a push of a button. However one down side is that an air bag systems like this can cost up to $2500 to install.
Installed the 351-893HD on a 2023 Ram Rebel, crew cab, zero change in the ride height. Slightly stiffer ride in rear end, feels fine. Note, if you don't have a pit to work in, it's a easy changeout to remove the wheels and work from the side.
Just installed the HD +35% load capacity on my 2020 ram 1500 quad cab, factory Offroad Package with a Rough country N3, 2 inch leveling strut in the front with rough country forged upper control arms. After 45000kms my truck finally rides amazing, super stable, no more body role, added more suspension travel with these new coil springs combined with a set of rough country N3 0-3 inch lift shocks in the rear. Very happy with my set up. Big thanks to you guys at Simcoe springs 👍
Customer are always surprised how fast we do those coils on there trucks. But sometimes they ask for new shocks and the top shock bolt is a nightmare to remove
I felt that pain...then I grabbed a sacrificial wrench and bent it 90 degrees near the box end to go after that inside nut on the upper shock mount...makes the job easy peasy after the wheel well liner is out of the way.
@@cfields8507you don’t need a short wrench to get to the top nut Just use a 17-19mm socket and wedge it between the nut and frame I’ve done it all the time It’ll keep it from spinning
It would be interesting to see this with 10% of rated vehicle tow weight centered in the bed where a 5th wheel hitch would be. Ideally the squat from the weight would bring it back close to level.
Installed these on a 21’ new body style 2wd, the 351-905xhd, over the factory springs and added spring helpers. Day and night difference ride quality on 22’s limited wheels(most hated at the moment). But I was trying to accomplish to level it to match the front and I think I got more than I bargained, it looks like it lifted about 3” from the rear and in the front I have a 3” leveling puck. It looks like it skipped leg day 😂😂
Just found this researching springs for my 22 1500. My stock rear is only around 38-1/2”. The truck you are using has the off road package and sits 1” higher than stock to begin with. So all of your dimensions should be +1” more for an actual stock Ram 1500. So 2-1/2” lift over stock. The one that says -1 is actually stock height
You are correct. This truck has the Rebel package (which I didn't find out till after the video was published), So, I would add 1" of ride height to all the coil springs in the video.
So my '18 Bighorn will lift 2.5" vs the 1.5" stated in this video? I Purchased the 893XHD spring the other day . If so I'm content with that as I considered adding a 1" spacer with this spring.
I have a 3.5" leveling lift kit installed. I carry some tools in my ram boxes, and my rear end sits about .5" below the front. Tools live in truck would like to level it out. Would the 351-891Hd be significant to over come that weight and level me back out again? (I did not start with off road pkg, 2020 new body) Or perhaps go with the 351-893XHD and remove the 2" spacer on top of the rear coils currently installed.
Thanks for that! I thought I had ordered the wrong model of springs after seeing that chart. Knowing my non rebel 1500 is not 1" lifted like the rebel in this video, gives me confidence I did indeed buy the correct springs.
Very happy with the standard HD's! They raised the rear end on my 22 big horn quad cab by exactly 2 inches. Perfect compliment to the Bilstein 5100 adj. Struts!
Undoing the sway bar lets you get the coils in easier. If you are removing the tire, you might not have to take the sway bar off because you can feed the coil in through the side of the vehicle.
What’s your opinion on the timbren vs an upgraded spring? I haul a travel trailer during the summer. I’m leaning towards the springs, my opinion is the spring should be doing the work and the bump stops are a last resort.
if you have a 09-18 or the 19-24 classic, then we usually recommend the 351-893XHD It will give you all the capacity you need for whatever you are doing, anything, any time, anywhere. Timbrens are great if you only tow 1-5 times a year and you just use the truck as a daily driver the rest of the time. The Timbrens have a space between the rubbers and the axle, so it should just ride like normal when you are empty and acts like a secondary suspension when you are loaded. Basically its there when you need it, not there when you don't. DR1500DS for the regular Cab truck DR1500DQ for all the other cab trucks. We have them on our website as well. www.simcoespring.com Hope this helps.
Regarding ride comfort/quality for 2022 1500 RAM, is there a difference when installing the 351-905HD and the 351-905XHD springs? Since the ride height increase is the same I am thinking of going for the XHD, but only if the ride comfort/quality is about the same. Thanks in advance for your answer(s)!
Great video! Lots good information. Wish you could do a video with a Ram classic warlock with the all terrain package. Apparently all terrain package has taller rear springs.
I recently purchased a used 2022 Ram 1500 4x4 Classic, Quad cab w/ 44k miles. I pull a single axle 12' trailer and the rear end is a little "bouncy". The previous owner may have loaded it heavy. I would like to stiffen it up a bit. Shocks?, new springs?, anything else?? Thank you
if it is bouncy they might have blown the shocks out. I'd replace them first. After that, you can look into some HD springs if you feel like you need it.
I have a 2020 Ram 1500 I installed Bilstein 6112's set just below the 2" setting up front, 5160's in the rear, Geolandar G015's 285/75R18 and a set of Timbren bumpstops. Put a pallet of water from Sams Club and it still sagged in the rear so hopefully this is the last thing I need to add. Been building this rig so I can have a 1500lb slide in camper for surf trips without having to move up to a 2500. Think this is all Ill need to do complete the job?
Great video! I have a 2021 RAM 1500 Rebel all stock. I haul a lot of firewood and have been looking into upgrading my coil springs. Since there is somewhat of a lift, which is fine with me, should I put a leveling kit on the front to still make it look factory? I just don’t want the rear end to be sticking way up, you know what mean?
Regarding ride comfort/quality for 2022 1500 RAM, is there a difference when installing the 351-905HD and the 351-905XHD springs? Since the ride height increase is the same I am thinking of going for the XHD, but only if the ride comfort/quality is about the same.
Great video! I have a 2022 Laramie with 1545lbs payload capacity. I tow a 26ft travel trailer that scaled at 6300lb with our normal camping load. My loaded tongue weight runs around 850lbs. I am not looking for a big load capacity increase. Your 351-893hd gives a .5" lift but has no rating for % increase in carrying capacity. Does that mean that there is no increase, or just no data at this time. I would really like to get a set, but only need about 15% more capacity.
351-893HD is a 35% increase in capacity with 0.5" of lift 351-893XHD is 70% increase in capacity with 1.5" of lift Both are available at www.simcoespring.com
the chart at the end has all the heavy duty coil springs with or without ride height adjustments. However there is no guarantee that you will get a payload increase if you decide to lower the ride height by 1" If you want absolutely no height change at all, then you need air bags you can adjust as you load up the vehicle.
Yes I understand that for coil spring but was wondering about leaf spring. Is there is a way to have a higher capacity leaf pack with out the ride height changing. Maybe arcing the spring differently
Does using timbren bump stops in conjunction with the xhd springs make sense? Just thinking about controlling sway when hauling a trailer along with increased ride height and carrying capacity of the heavy coils. Thanks for the great, informative video!
we have had people use the TIMBREN SES kits along with the 1.5" lift coil springs. Basically I'd ship you an extra 1" spacer that you can bolt to the kit so that the Timbren kit still functions properly.
coil spring for a more well rounded multi-use vehicle. farmers/tradesmen etc. Timbren for full load/no load situations, like towing trailers, hauling firewood. deliveries. go there with a full load, come back empty.
I have a 6inch pro-comp lift ilon my 2019 which the lift was already installed when I bought the truck on my bday 2months ago. I do need to bump the towing capacity and payload but these seem that they will not be ideal if my truck has a 6inch lift kit. Is there anything I can do? Besides upgrading the rear shocks to something that has adjustability with the stiffness and what not?
If your truck has an all coil lift kit, then there isn't much you can do. Some air bag companies make an extension tube to adjust for the different heights of vehicles, However there isn't a cargo coil or towing coil that has a lift as well, beyond maybe 1.5-2.5" in height. Nothing compared to a 6" lift coil
Question. I have a 99 f250 super duty with the 7.3. I'm looking into changing my front coil springs to a variable rate spring, do you think that would be a good upgrade to give better ride comfort. And would I need different shocks to change to a variable springs?
First of all, it must be a 2 wheel drive. We have installed quite a few variable rate coils in these over the years and always had pretty decent results. They will ride as good if not better than the normal coil springs. However you do have to realize that the engine is a 7.3 diesel and they are very heavy, so if you put a gas coil spring in, it might not be able to hold up that engine and might lower the front. I would recommend the stock shocks. If you want to upgrade get some beltech or Gabriel shocks.
@simcoespring yes it is a 2 wheel drive, and I was looking at some variable rate springs that are capable of carrying the 7.3. Thank you for the advice
if you are towing, we normally just upgrade the rear coil springs. If you have a slip tank or a slide-in camper that is permanent then you can use the HD Front coil springs. Just check your year/make/model for which coil you need at www.simcoespring.com Shocks are a separate option. if you are towing part time without permanent loads, then just stick with stock shocks. If you are towing/hauling or have a permanent load, then I would recommend upgrading the shocks to something more heavy duty.
They would be for 2 different options. I would only use the sumo springs/timbrens if you are doing a lot of full load/no load situations, like towing trailers, salter, sander, plow, slide in camper, things like that. If you do a variety of jobs with your truck, then get the coil springs.
we have not noticed much difference in the ride height. We don't find these coils settle much. It would take months/years to settle them down any significant amount.
they sure do. Here is an updated chart on which coils adjust the ride height. simcoespring.com/cdn/shop/files/RamCoilspringChart_8e326ab0-82ed-4a81-8170-e859bf9325ef.png?v=1709055679&width=1200 hope this helps. Use "promo10%" at checkout for 10% off. sorry for the long delay on getting back to you on this.
I just purchased a ram 2500 6.4 i tow a 3800# camper do you recommend any spring the will help me retain the level ride height? And ride comfort Thank you
sure do 351-905HD will lift 1.5" and give you 35% more capacity 351-905XHD will lift 1.5" and give you 70% more capacity You can get them at www.simcoespring.com
they only fit in the rear. the front coil spring is a totally different coil. 90% of the time we only install HD coil springs in the rear of the vehicle becaue we don't want to touch the front unless there is weight on there as well. For example: HD bumper, Towing winch, plow, Ect.
Local 4x4 shop is telling me if I got new coils in back, I’d have to get new rear shocks… 14 Ram 1500. I have 5100’s up front to level it but it’s actually about 9/16” higher up front.
FAQ Part 2:
Q - I want to increase my capacity but I don't want the ride height to change
A- Don't think about installing coil springs, install an air bag and compressor, then you can pick your ride height at any time at a push of a button. However one down side is that an air bag systems like this can cost up to $2500 to install.
Do you prefer coil springs or leaf springs for the rear end of a pickup?
Installed the 351-893HD on a 2023 Ram Rebel, crew cab, zero change in the ride height. Slightly stiffer ride in rear end, feels fine. Note, if you don't have a pit to work in, it's a easy changeout to remove the wheels and work from the side.
I really like that you give that face to face no BS feeling over video. Thank you for doing that. I'm in!
Just installed the HD +35% load capacity on my 2020 ram 1500 quad cab, factory Offroad Package with a Rough country N3, 2 inch leveling strut in the front with rough country forged upper control arms. After 45000kms my truck finally rides amazing, super stable, no more body role, added more suspension travel with these new coil springs combined with a set of rough country N3 0-3 inch lift shocks in the rear. Very happy with my set up. Big thanks to you guys at Simcoe springs 👍
How is the ride?
Customer are always surprised how fast we do those coils on there trucks. But sometimes they ask for new shocks and the top shock bolt is a nightmare to remove
I felt that pain...then I grabbed a sacrificial wrench and bent it 90 degrees near the box end to go after that inside nut on the upper shock mount...makes the job easy peasy after the wheel well liner is out of the way.
This is good info, cause I plan on doing the springs/all 4 shocks/swaybars here in a couple weeks.
@@cfields8507you don’t need a short wrench to get to the top nut
Just use a 17-19mm socket and wedge it between the nut and frame
I’ve done it all the time
It’ll keep it from spinning
1:28 I don't know why, but I laughed at that 🤣🤣🤣
It would be interesting to see this with 10% of rated vehicle tow weight centered in the bed where a 5th wheel hitch would be. Ideally the squat from the weight would bring it back close to level.
yes, I would love to test these with different weights. Maybe something to do in the future.
Installed these on a 21’ new body style 2wd, the 351-905xhd, over the factory springs and added spring helpers. Day and night difference ride quality on 22’s limited wheels(most hated at the moment). But I was trying to accomplish to level it to match the front and I think I got more than I bargained, it looks like it lifted about 3” from the rear and in the front I have a 3” leveling puck. It looks like it skipped leg day 😂😂
Should show what the difference is while under a load 🤔
Recently installed the 351-893HD in a 2024. Didn’t want to change my ride height and if you have the Rebel or ORP it will not change.
Just found this researching springs for my 22 1500. My stock rear is only around 38-1/2”. The truck you are using has the off road package and sits 1” higher than stock to begin with. So all of your dimensions should be +1” more for an actual stock Ram 1500. So 2-1/2” lift over stock. The one that says -1 is actually stock height
You are correct. This truck has the Rebel package (which I didn't find out till after the video was published), So, I would add 1" of ride height to all the coil springs in the video.
So my '18 Bighorn will lift 2.5" vs the 1.5" stated in this video? I Purchased the 893XHD spring the other day . If so I'm content with that as I considered adding a 1" spacer with this spring.
I have a 3.5" leveling lift kit installed. I carry some tools in my ram boxes, and my rear end sits about .5" below the front. Tools live in truck would like to level it out. Would the 351-891Hd be significant to over come that weight and level me back out again?
(I did not start with off road pkg, 2020 new body)
Or perhaps go with the 351-893XHD and remove the 2" spacer on top of the rear coils currently installed.
@@simcoespringthis comment should be stickied to the first comment as this significantly changes your ride height chart.
Thanks for that! I thought I had ordered the wrong model of springs after seeing that chart. Knowing my non rebel 1500 is not 1" lifted like the rebel in this video, gives me confidence I did indeed buy the correct springs.
Very happy with the standard HD's! They raised the rear end on my 22 big horn quad cab by exactly 2 inches. Perfect compliment to the Bilstein 5100 adj. Struts!
Which HDs do you have?
I just did my Ram, and no need to undo the sway bar, I did my springs in the forest on the ground with a bottle jack and wood cribbing.
Undoing the sway bar lets you get the coils in easier. If you are removing the tire, you might not have to take the sway bar off because you can feed the coil in through the side of the vehicle.
just checked the prices..very reasonable..and also, just noticed you are way over 100K..congrats..well deserved and many more subs to come...
What’s your opinion on the timbren vs an upgraded spring? I haul a travel trailer during the summer. I’m leaning towards the springs, my opinion is the spring should be doing the work and the bump stops are a last resort.
if you have a 09-18 or the 19-24 classic, then we usually recommend the 351-893XHD It will give you all the capacity you need for whatever you are doing, anything, any time, anywhere.
Timbrens are great if you only tow 1-5 times a year and you just use the truck as a daily driver the rest of the time.
The Timbrens have a space between the rubbers and the axle, so it should just ride like normal when you are empty and acts like a secondary suspension when you are loaded.
Basically its there when you need it, not there when you don't.
DR1500DS for the regular Cab truck
DR1500DQ for all the other cab trucks.
We have them on our website as well. www.simcoespring.com
Hope this helps.
What would you recommend to stiffen up a 2023 Ram 1500 V6. Looking to reduce the pitch and swaying of the stock vehicle. Any ideas?
Regarding ride comfort/quality for 2022 1500 RAM, is there a difference when installing the 351-905HD and the 351-905XHD springs? Since the ride height increase is the same I am thinking of going for the XHD, but only if the ride comfort/quality is about the same. Thanks in advance for your answer(s)!
Excellent information!!!!!!!!
Great video! Lots good information.
Wish you could do a video with a Ram classic warlock with the all terrain package. Apparently all terrain package has taller rear springs.
bring er down, we'll do a video
I recently purchased a used 2022 Ram 1500 4x4 Classic, Quad cab w/ 44k miles. I pull a single axle 12' trailer and the rear end is a little "bouncy". The previous owner may have loaded it heavy. I would like to stiffen it up a bit. Shocks?, new springs?, anything else??
Thank you
if it is bouncy they might have blown the shocks out. I'd replace them first. After that, you can look into some HD springs if you feel like you need it.
I have a 2020 Ram 1500 I installed Bilstein 6112's set just below the 2" setting up front, 5160's in the rear, Geolandar G015's 285/75R18 and a set of Timbren bumpstops.
Put a pallet of water from Sams Club and it still sagged in the rear so hopefully this is the last thing I need to add. Been building this rig so I can have a 1500lb slide in camper for surf trips without having to move up to a 2500.
Think this is all Ill need to do complete the job?
Great video! I have a 2021 RAM 1500 Rebel all stock. I haul a lot of firewood and have been looking into upgrading my coil springs. Since there is somewhat of a lift, which is fine with me, should I put a leveling kit on the front to still make it look factory? I just don’t want the rear end to be sticking way up, you know what mean?
Regarding ride comfort/quality for 2022 1500 RAM, is there a difference when installing the 351-905HD and the 351-905XHD springs? Since the ride height increase is the same I am thinking of going for the XHD, but only if the ride comfort/quality is about the same.
I tow a travel trailer with about 500lbs tongue weight with a leveled 22 Ram Rebel. Do you recommend the 351-905hd or 351-905xhd? Thanks!!
Great video! I have a 2022 Laramie with 1545lbs payload capacity. I tow a 26ft travel trailer that scaled at 6300lb with our normal camping load. My loaded tongue weight runs around 850lbs. I am not looking for a big load capacity increase. Your 351-893hd gives a .5" lift but has no rating for % increase in carrying capacity. Does that mean that there is no increase, or just no data at this time. I would really like to get a set, but only need about 15% more capacity.
351-893HD is a 35% increase in capacity with 0.5" of lift
351-893XHD is 70% increase in capacity with 1.5" of lift
Both are available at www.simcoespring.com
I have a 2019 Max Tow Dodge Ram Laramie four-door four-wheel drive payload capacity is at 1600 lb will the heavy Springs still raise the capacity 70%
Is it possible to have a higher weight capacity leaf springs with out the ride height increasing?
the chart at the end has all the heavy duty coil springs with or without ride height adjustments. However there is no guarantee that you will get a payload increase if you decide to lower the ride height by 1"
If you want absolutely no height change at all, then you need air bags you can adjust as you load up the vehicle.
Yes I understand that for coil spring but was wondering about leaf spring. Is there is a way to have a higher capacity leaf pack with out the ride height changing. Maybe arcing the spring differently
Does using timbren bump stops in conjunction with the xhd springs make sense? Just thinking about controlling sway when hauling a trailer along with increased ride height and carrying capacity of the heavy coils. Thanks for the great, informative video!
we have had people use the TIMBREN SES kits along with the 1.5" lift coil springs. Basically I'd ship you an extra 1" spacer that you can bolt to the kit so that the Timbren kit still functions properly.
@@simcoespring what shocks would you recommend with the kit that gives 1.5 height
Question: which is better for truck squat, coil springs or the Timbren?
coil spring for a more well rounded multi-use vehicle. farmers/tradesmen etc.
Timbren for full load/no load situations, like towing trailers, hauling firewood. deliveries. go there with a full load, come back empty.
I have a 6inch pro-comp lift ilon my 2019 which the lift was already installed when I bought the truck on my bday 2months ago. I do need to bump the towing capacity and payload but these seem that they will not be ideal if my truck has a 6inch lift kit. Is there anything I can do? Besides upgrading the rear shocks to something that has adjustability with the stiffness and what not?
If your truck has an all coil lift kit, then there isn't much you can do. Some air bag companies make an extension tube to adjust for the different heights of vehicles, However there isn't a cargo coil or towing coil that has a lift as well, beyond maybe 1.5-2.5" in height. Nothing compared to a 6" lift coil
Question. I have a 99 f250 super duty with the 7.3. I'm looking into changing my front coil springs to a variable rate spring, do you think that would be a good upgrade to give better ride comfort. And would I need different shocks to change to a variable springs?
First of all, it must be a 2 wheel drive. We have installed quite a few variable rate coils in these over the years and always had pretty decent results. They will ride as good if not better than the normal coil springs. However you do have to realize that the engine is a 7.3 diesel and they are very heavy, so if you put a gas coil spring in, it might not be able to hold up that engine and might lower the front. I would recommend the stock shocks. If you want to upgrade get some beltech or Gabriel shocks.
@simcoespring yes it is a 2 wheel drive, and I was looking at some variable rate springs that are capable of carrying the 7.3. Thank you for the advice
Does rwd front need coils as well or just back I want to upgrade the shocks on ram 1500
if you are towing, we normally just upgrade the rear coil springs.
If you have a slip tank or a slide-in camper that is permanent then you can use the HD Front coil springs.
Just check your year/make/model for which coil you need at www.simcoespring.com
Shocks are a separate option. if you are towing part time without permanent loads, then just stick with stock shocks. If you are towing/hauling or have a permanent load, then I would recommend upgrading the shocks to something more heavy duty.
do you recommend the 905hd over the black sumo springs
They would be for 2 different options. I would only use the sumo springs/timbrens if you are doing a lot of full load/no load situations, like towing trailers, salter, sander, plow, slide in camper, things like that. If you do a variety of jobs with your truck, then get the coil springs.
What is the differencein height in the 2 Hd coils after a couple days after settlement?
we have not noticed much difference in the ride height. We don't find these coils settle much. It would take months/years to settle them down any significant amount.
Do the 19+ variable rate springs change the ride height any?
they sure do. Here is an updated chart on which coils adjust the ride height.
simcoespring.com/cdn/shop/files/RamCoilspringChart_8e326ab0-82ed-4a81-8170-e859bf9325ef.png?v=1709055679&width=1200
hope this helps.
Use "promo10%" at checkout for 10% off. sorry for the long delay on getting back to you on this.
I just purchased a ram 2500 6.4 i tow a 3800# camper do you recommend any spring the will help me retain the level ride height? And ride comfort Thank you
sure, which year RAM 2500?
@@simcoespring sorry missed that it 2022 1500 crew cam
Wrong 2022 2500 crew cab 6.4l 6.4’’ bed
Have a set for trx?
sure do
351-905HD will lift 1.5" and give you 35% more capacity
351-905XHD will lift 1.5" and give you 70% more capacity
You can get them at www.simcoespring.com
351-905XHD fit front and rear ?
2020 Ram 1500 New Body
they only fit in the rear. the front coil spring is a totally different coil.
90% of the time we only install HD coil springs in the rear of the vehicle becaue we don't want to touch the front unless there is weight on there as well.
For example: HD bumper, Towing winch, plow, Ect.
@@simcoespring their is about 400 LBS on the front of my truck
Local 4x4 shop is telling me if I got new coils in back, I’d have to get new rear shocks… 14 Ram 1500. I have 5100’s up front to level it but it’s actually about 9/16” higher up front.