The SoR 3 OST has aged like fine wine. On a decent sound system with good Genesis audio output or a high quality rip, you can tell how much work was to put into it. Really ahead of its time and underrated.
Nah, I don't need a sound system, afraid it'll disturb the neighbors. I use my Hyperx Cloud Alpha Headset for both gaming and music and good lord does the soundtrack for SoR3 sound incredible! Those drums have some serious punch in the bass!
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but _Streets of Rage 3_ also has _Street Fighter_-inspired controls. If you have a six-button controller, then it's possible to perform special inputs in order to perform the higher tiered version of your character's special attacks. It's completely optional, but it is a nice touch.
No, like as Axel you hold X and do a half circle forward on the D-Pad, he'll do an upgraded version of his special move (Level 3 for that input) without losing any life. Honestly, Streets of Rage 3 was not only better, it was WAY harder, especially in North America. Using those moves makes it that much more bearable lol
I actually really like Streets of Rage 3's experimental soundtrack a lot, it reminds me of Batman and Robin's genesis soundtracks. Still, Streets of Rage 3's soundtrack isn't nearly as good 1 and 2.
I'm from Chile, and was lucky to get Bare Knuckles 3. Even though I couldn't get the whole story, I differently prefer it to SOR 3. The changes in the colors was pretty weird too.
I'd actually beat the horse like everyone else say but SOR 3 is a COMPLETELY different game compared to SOR 2. The starting levels in both games are vastly different and most of the levels take place in claustrophobic areas and the colors themselves aren't welcoming in SOR 3 compared to SOR 2's bright and colorful,lighthearted levels. SOR 3 feels like something out of a martial arts Sammo Hung and Jackie Chan movie. The music is an indication that sets the mood apart from SOR and SOR 2 due to the story being about genocide so the music has to reflect the ticking time of urgency. Even the sprites of the heroes in SOR 3 were given the dark film,noir-like look to it as if Jim Lee or Frank Miller or Todd McFarlane drew them. Also,Axel's SOR 3 sprite makes him look like he's taken too much smokin'. Why wouldn't he? He had to find FREAKIN' BOMBS in the game's story.
Come on, SOR3 music has aged so well, and was truly ahead of its time. More dynamic gameplay requires more fast-paced soundtrack and SOR3 definitely delivers in both departments. It's fun to play and master even nowadays while FF3 is just a very good game.
Similar, but take a look at them side by side. SOR3 sprites have more detail and frames of animation and they have been redrawn. They look similar because they are drawn to be similar, but when seen side by side, they are obviously different.
They have more details, frames of animations, more shading and actual facial features. You're insane if you think Axel and Shiva look the same. Even Galsia and the Big Bens look different. Hard to see with Donovan, bikers, and the Signals though..
Even I was expecting "Final Fight 3" to win in this video, especially after they forgot to point out some of the other flaws that made "Streets Of Rage 3" the least popular game in the trilogy. For example, the original Japanase version of the game (called "Bare Knuckle 3" in Japan) had a much different story that was changed to be more suitable for the US audience, and there was also a boss character named Ash that can be unlocked as a playable character, but he was removed from the US version due to controversial reasons.
MadGaz85 Not broken, Normal dificulty is normal, hard difficulty is hard, simple as that. BK3 isn't "balanced", it's just piss-easy. It's a good thing for me that the american SoR3 is a bigger challenge, because BK3 on Very Hard wasn't hard at all.
MadGaz85 Now that I think about it, the very hard difficulty of SOR3 was also a reason why it's become the least popular title in the series, and I would have to agree with everyone else, especially since I have such a hard time being able to get past some of the bosses without using a continue in that game.
In music? Maybe. But in gameplay, this definitely had the best tweaks to the basic gameplay, and yeah some of the sprites of the characters can feel a bit odd with the changes, and yeah there are sprites which have been used in the previous game, but like they say; "Why fix what isn't broken?"
SoR3 with a surprise win! Happy first video of the new year, guys ^_^ Another set of games worth comparing are Super Adventure Island 2 and Wonder Boy in Monster World. They are fairly similar action RPG's, which is kind of funny since both series started out as identical plat formers. Both can be played on the virtual console since I think both are kind of expensive. EDIT: Bubsy, Nooooooooooo!
Yup, that boss theme tho... great tunes.. but to me BK3 is the better game of the series. For Yuzo Koshiro, he said it was his best work.. So I believe him. And I love BK3 music.
It's interesting. Streets of rage 2 is so much better then anything else that it makes Streets of rage 3 look mediocre. That is how good Streets of rage 2 was/is. I remember how dissapointed I was back in the day when I played the third one....But compared to anything else out there It's just on another level.......And this is exacly what this episode shows! Landstalker vs Zelda next time?
Bare Knuckle III (Japanese version of SOR3) was definitely better than FF3. Final Fight sequels really weren't all that great. All three SOR games were great though, even SOR3 despite some people not liking it. SOR3 gameplay was majorly enhanced, despite the similar graphics from its predecessor. Being able to run was one thing that changed the gameplay dramatically. I loved the SOR3 soundtrack too.
The music overal is still great though and better than FF3. Dunno why they gave it a win. Sounds like the reasoning for FF3's soundtrack being better is because SoR3's soundtrack isn't as good as SoR2's soundtrack.
Were you high when you commented? SOR 3 music is complete fucking dog shit that makes zero sense on any scale related to music. The game itself is great. 2 on the other hand,that my friend is a real soundtrack and the best in the series
Great job! :) A few other things I like about SoR3 are the battle mode and the secret passages, plus that you can pull off the new special moves more easily with a 6 button controller.
***** YES!!!!! It will take a true champion from there Arcades too do compete! Like Aliens Vs Predator, oh yeah, the port was messed with and wasn't released for any home consoles! Ok, then another amazing Marvel/Capcom game The Punisher! Well.... That 1 was only released on SEGA! 0_o -_- SNES should stick too RPGs!!!!!!!
Night Driver I don't think he's mad, I think he's just expecting FF3 to win against SOR3 (mostly because of how big a disappointment SOR3 was compared to Bare Knuckle 3, that and how difficult SOR3 is especially given how much these guys nitpick over high difficulty in games)
Do I have whack taste in music? SoR3 is one of my favourite all time soundtracks! (so much so I remade a couple of tracks). Also SoR3 was so much more responsive and fast paced over 2, I couldn't help but play it so much more. I'm probably biased but SoR3 looks better, plays better and sounds better.
***** OMG I was about to say the same thing. I never understood why SOR3 caught so much negative feedback because of the " Music" and " graphics" . Hell when I play SOR3, the music is the last thing on my mind because I'm too busy enjoying the gameplay The music was ahead of it's time, especially these days where alot of music has that techno / dubstep sound. I liked the different endings SOR 3 had, were in SOR 2 was only 1 route. You can unlock Shiva, Roo, Ash. SOR 2 is a great game and I love it, but SOR 3 IMO is the best
A lot of people love SoR3's soundtrack. It got a lot of flack since it deviated so much from the previous games, but honestly that house music style would not have fit as well with the grittier style SoR3 has.
+TheRealGaffer Doesn't hold a candle to SOR 2. Sorry to burst your bubble.I streamed SOR 3 and I played it on mute and my watcher were complaining how bad the music was. Not everyone likes the soundtrack in SOR 3
what the hell, guys!? soundtrack from SOR3 - is the best! it's so unique! yeah, it sound much darker and it's all about taste, but you can't just call it bad...
oh COME ON, the character selection was kinda shocking to me compared to the last Streets of Rage games... to me it looks like yuzo koshiro was drunk. the quality is far beyond to shinobi and alle the other street of rages...
Would you guys do Story of Thor (Beyond Oasis) vs a SNES Zelda game released around the same time? I think the reason I was never impressed by Zelda games was because I found Story of Thor first and I always liked it more.
Me thinks that a lot of people didn't bother learning the mechanics of SOR3. It's a ridiculously deep game for a beatemup and definitely not "just SOR2". If you want to argue that FF3 is even more convoluted, you can. Just don't pretend that SOR3 didn't change anything.
Yeah, good point. I don't care so much about SNES vs. Genesis as I know I prefer the Super Nintendo for the classics, and because I grew up more with the Genesis as a younger teen, so the SNES feels newer and more exciting to me. And truth be told, I was more of an NES kid anyway. The Genesis was more of something else to mess around with from time to time. You know, Sonic, Mortal Kombat, etc. Anyway, I subbed as these videos work as great overviews of these games too.
Console Wars... Console Wars... Console Wars... It's my day off and for some reason I just felt like watching a new Console Wars video, keep it up guys your going to get very popular! BTW great job on this one, Streets of Rage is one of my all time beat-em-up's, that and River City Ransom on NES.
Great video, those Final Fight vs Streets of Rage videos are my favorites, can't wait for your next video. I love the music from Streets of Rage 3 it sounds darker like the whole setting of the game, and the colors and voice overs were fault of the bad american version, i think the reason why streets of rage 2 is such a success is because is such a great and accessible game, someone with little to no experience can beat the game on the easier difficulties and get familiar to the series and beat em ups in general, in streets of rage 3 they can't, because SOR 3's easy mode is actually Bare Knuckle's normal mode, Bare Knuckle 3 is a game that it's like Streets of Rage 2 but added a whole lot to it, the gameplay improved with lots of new moves, graphics, characters, presentation, and it's difficulty is fair and accessible to new players, the difficulty of the american version along with a soundtrack that's way different than what the series has offered might be the main reason why many people consider this a worse game, but i still think that the people should play the japanese version. BTW i also love Final Fight 3, it's my favorite of the series and brought lots of changes but the street fighter moves really doesn't work on beat em ups, and the two player mode with a CPU is full of slowdown which really ruins the game and just makes me want to play with 1 player, still great game.
Clean Sweep for Streets of Rage! I couldn't agree more with all three games winning. I know it might be unfair of me to say that since I've never played through a Final Fight game, but Streets of Rage is easily my favorite beat 'em up franchise. I wish that we would get a Part 4 to it already, but I'm not so sure that will ever happen.
Actually,SOR 3 has a lot more details like shadows on characters where SOR 2 looks simple. 3 just made the characters more gritty and rough since the story of SOR 3 is..you know...freakin' serious and all. Also,a song called Happy Paradise in SOR 3 is the best song in the game. ;)
Axel animations overhaul in Bare Knuckle3 shits on 2. In 2 axel is rocking high waters and Sonic's low cuts with no muscle definition.. Axel Run animation is Perfect in 3 and the game is overall faster paced
+SDS Overfiend Pretty much, if SoR3 was shorter and had less "gimmicky" areas (bulldozer, train section, free-roaming section etc) i would say it would be better than SoR2.
Glad to see a new video guys :-) you may not be professionals actors or anything, but you sure have your own unique charm and cheesiness ;-) will look forward to your next war.... ....which should be Lion King at some point. Not only is it, along with Aladdin, the classic of classics, but the SNES is also definetly gonna win that one. Why? Because of the music track in level 2, it lacks some sound effects from the song, which is simply unforgivable. But still, you did Aladdin, so you are almost obligated to do Lion King too *wink wink, nudge nudge*.
sadly i havent played these games as a kid since i just never played them it was harder to get specific games back then xD but ive played them now and i still like the segas music sound but snes does sound better xD loving the camera shots and cuts. great job with the editing! Happy new years!
I'm glad to see the finale video as I've had to put my life on hold since the last video due to the sheer anticipation. Fun video as always. I wasn't sure how this one would go since FF3 was an improvement while SoR3 had some unpopular design choices, especially compared to the Japanese original. I got to try FF3 a while back and didn't like it as much as I hoped, mostly for the same reasons you guys mentioned. I also had issues with the special moves. Plus, I don't like Haggar's new design. As for SoR3, I prefer it in its Japanese form, but I like the game for the most part. The voice samples I think are one of the biggest problems. I like its music, though much of it is weird. It has some good stuff. My favorite additions are the meter for special moves, the ability to run, and the six-button support. SoR3 actually had redrawn sprites, but they were made to look similar to the previous game, but with more detail. Capcom made some top-quality beat-em-up games for the arcade. It's a real shame that their best stuff, in my opinion, never got proper home ports. Thanks again for another great video.
Awesome surprise ending! For future vids, please do: -Thunder Force III vs Thunder Spirits -Ghouls N Ghosts vs. Super Ghouls N Ghosts -Strider vs. Run Saber
Finally this episode is here! You guys miss out on a few things. Graphics: you talk about how SOR 3 is a copy of SOR2, but as i look at FF3 i see clearly its a copy of SOR 3. Backgrounds are seriously influenced and almost identical at times and this is my impression only from watching this video as i havent played FF3. Also characters are redrawn for streets of rage, its visible, maybe the only character that is the same is skate, so this was false information and dont forget there are 4 players to choose from in SOR3. With streets of rage released one year before Final fight 3 its clear that capcom cant cope with the quallity of sega beat em up and they had to copy from it. Sound: As the music may be not as melodic as the previous games, it fits very well at times. Its innovative and bold so you must give credit for that. Gameplay: There are new special moves in streets of rage 3, you show them in the video. One big point you are missing out is that there is environmental action, Falling barrels and strong wind at stage 3, bulldozer chasing you, the train which comes at the subway stage, rope traps, trap rooms with lazers, electircity and poisonous gas, also this was the stage where you can roam freely at the whole building having to do certain things within a time to advance, not just beat them to the boss. This is huge aspect of the gameplay that make the game one level above the regular beat em ups in general.
Jayjay Okocha Lots of good points. We wanted to talk about some of the new gameplay mechanics you mentioned, but the video was getting long enough as is. Luckily there's people like you to mention stuff we didn't include.
SuperHns Why? Sure the game has that heartwarming fun atmosphere and sor 3 is more industrial and dark, difference is not a bad thing. Sor 2 backgrounds are more inspiring, excluding the pirate and alien levels, which are not fitting at all for the game, however most of backgrounds are too similar to sor 1. I dont like character sprites in sor 3, they look like they are patched on the screen, not actually IN the screen. Musicwise sor 2 is good, but again i consider SOR 1 to have the best music of the franchise. Now lets talk about the most important, gameplay. Sor 2 has the worst gameplay of the 3 games. Basically all you have to do is mash the attack button till the end of the game. In ohter words, its dumbed down and shallow. When i try different tactics on the enemies i always get hit. And different tactics work in the other two games, you can do tactical maneuvering to grab opponents and throw them at the others, or to lure them at better attack angle for you. In addition Sor 3 has much more fast paced action, with run, more special moves and the upgrade system which i find awesome.
Jayjay Okocha I agree Bare Knuckle 3 is great, but disagree with SoR2 being "shallow". The only big problem in BK3 IMO was that the sound effects weren't as good as SoR2. When punching on SoR2 it was so satisfying, and of course other problem was the craptastic localization by Sega of America. By the way, you forgot the return of team attacks removed in SoR2, and also pitfalls.
While it's 100% obvious for me that Streets of Rage 3 is better than Final Fight 3 I, however, don't agree with a lot of your points: - music: Streets of Rage 3's soundtrack IS awesome and so ahead over most others soundtracks of its time! Final Fight 3 has rather dull music in comparison... And it's also a good thing that SoR 3's music have another style than the two previous games, overall variety is always welcome when well done like this. - gameplay: WTF mates?! SoR 3 makes some nice improvements over the already amazing second game with more moves, faster pace and more playable characters. - graphics: though looking way closer to SoR 2's sprites than SoR 2's sprites looked compared to SoR 1's sprites, SoR3's sprites are still clearly different from SoR 2 and Blaze is sexier than ever! - and finally you have to know that the japanese version, Bare Knuckle III, is even better than Streets of Rage 3! They, weirdly enough, cut a lot of things with SoR 3 but even despite this it's still a better game than Final Fight 3. So yeah, the Streets of Rage trilogy is that good! Anyway the video was fun to watch and you were still spot on in some aspects. Just dig a bit more and this will be perfect.
they actually did say that the soundtrack for SOR3 was ahead of its time... but the general opinion, and mine is that it isn't all that great compared to the previous games. I'm no music expert but what does that even mean, ahead of it's time... how was SOR2's not when it's still remembered. It really doesn't sound memorable or all that good. But I won't say it sounds bad. I kinda liked it a little the more I heard it now. But my impression of it was bad and I've played the actual game. Still, it just doesn't sound as awesome.
First of all, I have very little trouble using the special moves in Final Fight 3. The super moves are a bit more tricky to pull off if you're playing as Lucia. Second, I've never been able to use get the debug menu on the cartrige or Virtual Console ports of Final Fight 3. Were you guys playing it on an emulator? That's the only way I have ever been able to get the debug menu.
Streets of Rage 3 is better than 2 in my opinion. The new combat mechanics (run and roll, charged up attacks) add a lot. If the music was better I think it would be universally recognized as the better game
+Shawn Bateman Streets of Rage 2 is better than 1 and 3 because Streets of Rage 2 has better gameplay balance. The gameplay balance in 1 and 3 are extremely broken.
Dustin Nunn I agree with that. In terms of a lot of things, like 1 had obviously the lesser graphics, less character selection and bad special moves. 3 was basically 2 with a few more playable characters and some VERY irritating stages. Everything was, as you said, balanced in 2. Just a far superior game.
Bare Knuckle III is 1000000x better than Streets of Rage 3. They really messed up the localization at Sega of America. PS: Here's a translation patch for Bare Knuckle III: www.romhacking.net/translations/1375/ - I highly recommend to check it out. PPS: Why is the recording of your Genesis music so much lower in quality than in your previous episode? Sounds a lot more low frequency than it should. Did you use a different Genesis console than usual?
Any Streets Of Rage game>any other beat em up game. Streets Of Rage, even the first one, created such a perfect and satisfying formula for these types of games that could never be touched by anything else even to this day. I'm a huge fan of Double Dragon and all sorts of other brawlers but hot damn, I've beaten all the Streets of Rage games dozens of times and will probably do it a dozen more times. It just keeps you coming back for more.
Streets of Rage 3 needed to have Adam playable instead of Skate. It would have gone a long way in making the game feel fresh. Also the music is a mixed bad some is atrocious and some outstanding which is a step down from the first 2 which had no bad tracks. The sound effects are a step down also and sometime's don't even play. Additionally some of the environments are drab and uninspired especially compared to SOR 2. Like the video said SOR 2 set the bar so high it was damn near impossible to beat. The running and animations are nice and a slight step up. The added weapon specials and attack specials are a minimal improvement. Bare Knuckle 3 is a better balanced version of SOR 3. Final Fight 3 while being a nice improvement over 2 still has serious flaws. The max 3 enemy limit, chronic slowdown in 2P mode and absolutely no difficulty what so ever even on expert really hurt the experience. Also the music is mediocre minus a couple tracks which were shown in the video. Lastly the art style is a little lame in places and the bosses all share the hit and run strategy to beat them... boring. On the plus side the sprites are huge and graphics are good. The dashing and dashing specific attacks, weapon specific combo's, extra attacks/slams and specials are all sweet though.
more like that cyborg old man that totally sucked. Honestly just looking at him on the select screen makes me dislike the game a little, it brings it down. He's way too ridiculous. The robotics plot overall felt like it should be in some other game. Adam and Skate makes more sense, or bring back Max. The KANGAROO makes more sense that a cyborg!
D. San Well granted SoR did previously have giant Freddy Kruger wannabes, fire breathing fat guys, Blanka clones, and guys on jetpacks. I doubt cyborgs were *that* outlandish in comparison
Fun Fact: Bare Knuckles/Streets of Rage III 3rd Character (Who is only available in the Japanese version) is Ash The reason, why Ash was cut from the versions outside Japan: He was (obviously) homosexual
Here's another request....Mario Paint Vs Sega Club Wacky Worlds Creativity Studio....I choose these two because they were both not only Art Based Videogames but they also came with a mouse...So not only would this be based on the games but the peripherals made for them as well....Let's face it, we're all going to be wanting to see Mario Vs Sonic on this channel sooner or later, but at least give us the Nintendo Paint Game with a Mouse VS the Sega Paint Game with a Mouse
Xavior TheLycan oh yeah! I actually liked that one better on a lot a of fronts, I think it was Better on Genesis than it was on SNES, though Carnage I thought was better on SNES mostly cuz of the music! Acclaim had some pretty rockin good games, but yeah LJN is seriously a wasteland of awful game titles plagued with bogusness!!!!
TMNT 4 was and is insanely overrated. None of the hits, impacts, or characters feel like they have any weight, making the whole game feel completely unsatisfying and boring.
Turtles for life. Streets of Rage is great but gets so damn repetitive. And 4 is horrible. Let’s introduce cops with shields that take 15 hits to break and regenerate so that it’s nearly impossible on normal with one player. Nah pass.
thanks guys for doing a trilogy within your series! how about doing a comparison between Nintendo and Sega versions of Sparkster? or if you guys want to do some more sequels, how about Earthworm Jim 2? or maybe complete another trilogy with Mortal Kombat 2 and 3?
I remember I was 14 and had a Snes and and Megadrive at the time, and traded in Mario All stars to get Streets of Rage 3, the guy in the game shop looked down at both games on the counter, then looked up at me said 'You nutter!' (UK obviously) lol good times :)
Cannot disagree more. The additions in FF3 made the game so much more enjoyable for me. The Super Moves especially were very fun to pull off. And, when working them into the overall flow of the game, the replay value was infinite. FF3 is by far the better game.
+Marcel Weber Failing to see your point, mate. I played both. Both were awesome, no doubt. I just find the fighting design in FF3 adds so much more to the replay value.
+annnan The replay value was better in SoR 3 with the hidden portions of level 5 and different level 7s. FF3 added super moves and I liked them at first, but 2 levels into the game, they get old. The weapon moves in SoR 3 and the way your fwd fwd B move upgraded as you earned points was more enjoyable than the super moves imo.
The next battle can be a comedy very funny for example Desert Demolition VS Death Valley Rally, and how many time can wait in my chair to see into the battle Sonic Vs Mario? :)
I don't know, bro. It sounds kind of like cheesy, hopped up industrial rave or party boy music to me here. Not all that inspiring for a beat 'em up, IMO.
I really love these video's ! And would love to see some sms vs nes video's games like castlevania and master of darkness or ninja gaiden , double dragon to name a few anyway keep up the good work !
The music comparison is subjective. I enjoy the SoR3 soundtrack, and The Poets I (the City Hall music) is one of the best themes on the console imo. It's definitely an acquired taste though. The soundtrack is commonly credited to Yuzo Koshiro, but Motohiro Kawashima was actually the lead composer, with Yuzo assisting as a sound producer and secondary composer. He made the more experimental tracks like Inga Rasen (Dr Dahm), Shinobi Reverse (Yamato), and Crazy Train (Jet). I don't know if you've heard about SOR4, which is due out in the first half of 2020, but it plays well. I got to try an early build at a local expo.
Yeah. Nowadays i have the oportunity to HAVE these two consoles and games... SOR 1 and 2 are better than FF 1 and 2 but Final Fight 3 IS BETTER THAN SOR. And say that "street fighter controls didnt worked". OMG dude.. i just DESTROYED creeps with all characeters. LUCIA was the most Dificult and Satisfying to MASTER. She throws some "roundhouse kicks" that even hit enemies that are not in the same line/lane than you. Guy just Pierces enemies with his fire. The RUN+SPECIAL+New movies+New COMBOS are the BEST thiing that happened and made the game much more DINAMIC and i never got tired of it!
Control Room I agree I don't like the first final fight for the snes cause it didn't live up to the arcade classic that we fell I. Love with but final fight 2 and 3 without a doubt blows the sor series all three out the box my opinion
I agree 100%. the combos u can pull of are that of street fighter games. u can start with a jump attack, go Into a ground combo and finish with a special.
Fun fact, Streets of Rage 3 actually had special move inputs too. They let you do your star attacks. Don't have any stars? No problem. Have all 3 but you wanna use the 1 or 2 star blitz attack? Have at it.
As soon as I saw the Sound title card, I was like, "oh boy, poor sega." Then Dan says, "if you want, we can skip sound." I freaking died. That entire bit was spot on
I can't believe you failed to mention the branching paths and secret rooms of Final Fight 3... Final Fight 3 has 2 main paths to beat the game, one easier, one harder but both are a blast to play through! Not to mention you can skip certain bosses if you find some secret rooms, you have even branching paths within stages in Final Fight 3! The end of stage 2 is an example of one... That enhances the gameplay value of FF3 to a level that no SoR or FF game before it can reach! And no, the graphics of Streets of Rage 2 and 3 are both inferior to those of Final Fight 3, The sprites and backgrounds are far more detailed and colourful in FF3, It also has animated backgrounds, and that sunset you mentioned does change the lighting! But you either failed to mention it or didn't mention it on purpose to try to make SoR3 look better... There's also a sunrise during the final boss battle, if you don't notice it is because you're on the edge of your seat trying to not get your a*s handed to you... Also, the special moves of FF3 aren't hard to do, you're just doing them wrong, I get them right every single time... Final Fight 3 is better than Streets of Rage 3 in every single way! It's also far superior to any version of any other Final Fight game too...
Ruko Michiharu Adding branching paths doesn't change the fact that Final Fight 3's combat is slow, unchallenging and boring, just like Final Fight 2. As for the graphics, Streets of Rage has better animations on the characters, and the backgrounds often are more animated interacting with the actual play area, that doesn't happen often in FF3. Final Fight 3 is still mediocre compared to the original arcade game.
Marcel Weber Final Fight 3's combat isn't that slow, it's near perfect because it has so many more moves than both its predecessors and competitors, the backgrounds are filled with stuff for you to break, the animations may not be as fluid but the sprites are much more detailed, well-crafted and colourful, and Final Fight 3 wipes the floor with any version of FF1 including the arcade... Final Fight 1 is quite overrated, Mighty Final Fight on NES is more enjoyable than that...
Ruko Michiharu More moves means nothing if the game has only 3 enemies on-screen, retarded AI and piss-easy difficulty. This is the main reason of why Final Fight 3 is a joke compared to the arcade, or SoR2/3. Final Fight arcade overrated? lol, sorry but i think you fail to understand the genre at all if you think THE beat 'em up is overrated.
Marcel Weber Final Fight 1 doesn't have much going for it, if you beat the game once you've seen it all, Final Fight 3 has more replay value, WAY better music, better graphics, more characters and it only has 3 enemies on-screen if you play 2 players (and even then sometimes it has 4 but it slows down when it has 4) but it has 4 enemies on-screen many many times if you play single player... And yeah, the game is easy, so what? If you really want a challenge with it, try 1ccing Final Fight 3 on the harder path without skipping any boss on expert...
Ruko Michiharu Funny you say that about replayability, because i have beaten countless times Final Fight arcade, probably 100+, while only a couple of times Final Fight 3 due to how boring and unchallenging it is even on "Expert" difficulty. Replayability is based on challenge and mastering the gameplay of a game, not on gimmicky features that don't improve the core gameplay of a game, like branching paths. Maybe that works in a RPG, but not necessarily in a beat 'em up. I remember only one time seeing 4 enemies on screen in Final Fight 3, and it was an elevator with midget enemies. Graphics? please, Final Fight arcade has a much bigger resolution, bigger and more detailed sprites, more colorful and memorable characters and a lot more going on the screen. Music is matter of taste i guess, but i prefer by far the arcade, the only memorable theme in Final Fight 3 was stage 1. "1ccing" Final Fight 3 sounds like a chore to me, i prefer to 1cc Final Fight or to play SoR2/3 in harder difficulties, those are actual challenging and replayable games.
Good video SoR 3 as a game is pretty damn good but the games problems stem mostly from oversea redesigns. Axel has yellow and black clothing this time around simply because the US version just felt like making it so, same for Blaze's Silver clothing.The US version also lacks a specific boss do to censorship, so because of this not only do you lose the ability to fight said boss but you also lose the ability to play as said boss as well. However, the major problem with SoR3 imo lies in its difficulty, the game is just too difficult for its own good. Difficulty is enjoyable when its balanced and spread out correctly, presented slowly in an progressively escalating manor. In the US port they increased the damage & speed of the enemies without taking into consideration how it effects the game play and so you end up with broken enemies who do way too much damage way too fast, couple that with a game that was already designed from the start to have the enemies out number you and what you end up with is a game where you either spam or be spammed which grows tiring and really downplays a lot of the more awesome aspects of the games fighting engine. Outside of its oversea problems I think the other problem that makes 3 less then 2 is it lacks greatly in the vivid color department unlike its predecessors. 3 has a much more gritty color palette and style to it making the game visually seem more run of the mill with other beat em ups at the time, combine that with a much more gritty sounding soundtrack and you have a game that doesn't quite capture the image and style that the series was known for up until this point. I still like the game but the US version is severely botched, play the Japanese version, its cheaper and a lot more fun.
The SoR 3 OST has aged like fine wine. On a decent sound system with good Genesis audio output or a high quality rip, you can tell how much work was to put into it. Really ahead of its time and underrated.
Nah, I don't need a sound system, afraid it'll disturb the neighbors. I use my Hyperx Cloud Alpha Headset for both gaming and music and good lord does the soundtrack for SoR3 sound incredible! Those drums have some serious punch in the bass!
Play the Japanese version bareknuckle 3 that one’s a lot better than our US version And there’s no censorship in that version either
When I was younger… I didn’t understand the techno sound and thought it terrible.. now it makes perfect sense and AGED PERFECTLY
I would say about half of it is pretty bad with some really obnoxious tracks, but there are some great tracks in there.
never had a problem with the music@@SDSOverfiend
I'M NOT TIRED OF REWATCHING YOUR FINAL FIGHT VS. STREETS OF RAGE TRILOGY, THEY'RE SOME OF YOUR BEST VIDEOS, THANKS GREG & DAN!
Cool! Our first video to break into the 301+ viewership. Thanks for watching guys!
do mega man 7 vs wily wars
Tiny Toon Adventures - Buster's Hidden Treasure Sega *vs* Tiny Toon Adventures- Buster Busts Loose! Snes
Brian Berry wily wars was never released on Genesis. Just mega drive.
Do "Donkey Kong Country" vs. "Vectorman"
Franz Schnabel i'd love to see this one
I honestly prefer the Japanese Bare Knuckle 3 over the American version.
Bare Knuckle III is my favorite beat em up. Ever!!!!
Everyone does, Seriously 5 Full Health Bars on a boss?! C'mon America
@@Wolfdragon92584 me too!!! my second favorite beat em up is Cadillacs and dinosaurs
@@Marcelo81125 Cadillacs and Dinosaurs is awesome indeed. I downloaded that into my SNES mini.
It is so much better
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but _Streets of Rage 3_ also has _Street Fighter_-inspired controls. If you have a six-button controller, then it's possible to perform special inputs in order to perform the higher tiered version of your character's special attacks. It's completely optional, but it is a nice touch.
Like the "manual" specials in SoR 2?
Yeah! I loved those when I was a kid!
No, like as Axel you hold X and do a half circle forward on the D-Pad, he'll do an upgraded version of his special move (Level 3 for that input) without losing any life. Honestly, Streets of Rage 3 was not only better, it was WAY harder, especially in North America. Using those moves makes it that much more bearable lol
Aztyph e$
Ironic!
I actually really like Streets of Rage 3's experimental soundtrack a lot, it reminds me of Batman and Robin's genesis soundtracks. Still, Streets of Rage 3's soundtrack isn't nearly as good 1 and 2.
Bare Knuckle III > Streets of Rage 3
+SegaSky SOR3 was terribly censored. As usual USA ruining japanese conversions.
I'm from Chile, and was lucky to get Bare Knuckles 3. Even though I couldn't get the whole story, I differently prefer it to SOR 3. The changes in the colors was pretty weird too.
Bare Knuckle III > Streets of Rage 3 > Final Fight 3
Yes
Madson Freitas Bare Knuckle 3> streets of rage 3> streets of rage 2(barely)> final fight 3
*NEXT! 2018:* Streets of Rage 4 vs Final Fight 4 (Oh wait...)
Streets of Rage 4 is in the works. So we're about halfway there.
@@Wolfdragon92584
Released already ;-)
@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE And it absolutely ROCKS
SoR 4 is fking gold.. bring it
I'd actually beat the horse like everyone else say but SOR 3 is a COMPLETELY different game compared to SOR 2.
The starting levels in both games are vastly different and most of the levels take place in claustrophobic areas and the colors themselves aren't welcoming in SOR 3 compared to SOR 2's bright and colorful,lighthearted levels. SOR 3 feels like something out of a martial arts Sammo Hung and Jackie Chan movie.
The music is an indication that sets the mood apart from SOR and SOR 2 due to the story being about genocide so the music has to reflect the ticking time of urgency.
Even the sprites of the heroes in SOR 3 were given the dark film,noir-like look to it as if Jim Lee or Frank Miller or Todd McFarlane drew them. Also,Axel's SOR 3 sprite makes him look like he's taken too much smokin'. Why wouldn't he? He had to find FREAKIN' BOMBS in the game's story.
Come on, SOR3 music has aged so well, and was truly ahead of its time. More dynamic gameplay requires more fast-paced soundtrack and SOR3 definitely delivers in both departments. It's fun to play and master even nowadays while FF3 is just a very good game.
...but they DID change the character models from 2 to 3. SOR3 sprites are way better detailed and animated.
I don't know, they look pretty similar to me.
Similar, but take a look at them side by side. SOR3 sprites have more detail and frames of animation and they have been redrawn. They look similar because they are drawn to be similar, but when seen side by side, they are obviously different.
They have more details, frames of animations, more shading and actual facial features. You're insane if you think Axel and Shiva look the same. Even Galsia and the Big Bens look different. Hard to see with Donovan, bikers, and the Signals though..
SO2 sprites and backgrounds are smooth and shiny, SOR3 looks grainy and low colour as fuck
Totally agree!
Even I was expecting "Final Fight 3" to win in this video, especially after they forgot to point out some of the other flaws that made "Streets Of Rage 3" the least popular game in the trilogy. For example, the original Japanase version of the game (called "Bare Knuckle 3" in Japan) had a much different story that was changed to be more suitable for the US audience, and there was also a boss character named Ash that can be unlocked as a playable character, but he was removed from the US version due to controversial reasons.
Casey Decker The USA version of SoR3 is still better than Final Fight 3, story doesn't matter much in a brawler
Casey Decker @ least we got Roo.
MadGaz85
You can still play on Easy in SoR3 if the difficulty is too much for you, i don't see the problem.
MadGaz85
Not broken, Normal dificulty is normal, hard difficulty is hard, simple as that.
BK3 isn't "balanced", it's just piss-easy. It's a good thing for me that the american SoR3 is a bigger challenge, because BK3 on Very Hard wasn't hard at all.
MadGaz85 Now that I think about it, the very hard difficulty of SOR3 was also a reason why it's become the least popular title in the series, and I would have to agree with everyone else, especially since I have such a hard time being able to get past some of the bosses without using a continue in that game.
Streets of Rage had the best music and gameplay imo.
+sobekflakmonkey True, but I always felt that part 3 was their weakest entry.
In music? Maybe. But in gameplay, this definitely had the best tweaks to the basic gameplay, and yeah some of the sprites of the characters can feel a bit odd with the changes, and yeah there are sprites which have been used in the previous game, but like they say; "Why fix what isn't broken?"
first sof and sof 2 .sof 3 sucks...
@@trustobey1016 no, actually the 3rd game is the best, the 2nd in 2nd place and the first being the weaker in the series..
Great job guys. I am surprised you didn't touch on the difficulty of SOR3 considering some people think it makes the game unplayable.
SoR3 with a surprise win! Happy first video of the new year, guys ^_^
Another set of games worth comparing are Super Adventure Island 2 and Wonder Boy in Monster World. They are fairly similar action RPG's, which is kind of funny since both series started out as identical plat formers. Both can be played on the virtual console since I think both are kind of expensive.
EDIT: Bubsy, Nooooooooooo!
You guys rock! I always like it when I see a new vid in my feed from you guys, keep it up!
You guys are awesome. You remind me of my high school friends back in the day. =)
To me, Streets of Rage 1 had the best soundtrack of the entire series. That stage 8 music. Oh yeah...
That's the ship, isnt it?
Yup, that boss theme tho... great tunes.. but to me BK3 is the better game of the series. For Yuzo Koshiro, he said it was his best work.. So I believe him. And I love BK3 music.
@@Cp2020_animations Mr X's Headquarters
I still like SoR3's experimental soundtrack. It took a while for me to appreciate it but even the more experimental tracks are good.
The soundtrack for SOR3 is brilliant.
I've only just found your channel/vids but I'm now subscribed and watching them all religiously.
It's interesting. Streets of rage 2 is so much better then anything else that it makes Streets of rage 3 look mediocre. That is how good Streets of rage 2 was/is.
I remember how dissapointed I was back in the day when I played the third one....But compared to anything else out there It's just on another level.......And this is exacly what this episode shows!
Landstalker vs Zelda next time?
Me too renting SOR 3 as a kid expecting SOR2 ultra mode, but it was more like meeeh I dont like this. I prefer SOR1 over SOR3 any time!
Zelda vs Crusader of centry or Beyond Oasis would be cool too (or maybe beyond oasis or crusader of centry vs Secret of Mana or illusion of Gaia)
***** I think Beyond Oasis vs Chrono Trigger would make an awesome episode.
chrono trigger vs Phantasy star IV would be better
They already did Phantasy Star vs Final Fantasy
Bare Knuckle III (Japanese version of SOR3) was definitely better than FF3. Final Fight sequels really weren't all that great. All three SOR games were great though, even SOR3 despite some people not liking it.
SOR3 gameplay was majorly enhanced, despite the similar graphics from its predecessor. Being able to run was one thing that changed the gameplay dramatically. I loved the SOR3 soundtrack too.
I'm glad I found you guys! Your videos are endlessly entertaining ;)
+leewelk Glad you enjoy it!
@@ConsoleWars hey guys you should a do a episode dbz super butoden for snes vs dbz bu yuu retsuden for Sega Genesis
Ironically, the worst track in SOR3 was the Dance club music... :/
True.
The music overal is still great though and better than FF3. Dunno why they gave it a win. Sounds like the reasoning for FF3's soundtrack being better is because SoR3's soundtrack isn't as good as SoR2's soundtrack.
Happy Techno music
mraaronhd True.. until I realize... they are in a Mosh club that DOES play that kind of music
No. It was Kamadecoco for me
streets of rage series hands down
what it's the best cut Sega fans have something NINTENDO DOESN'T HAVE a MULTI PLAYER OCULUS RIFT (also known as the Playstation vr
Totally raped snes's butt lol 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
Have to agree for once. Streets of Rage > Final Fight. That said, both 3 and 4 suck.
Streets of Rage 3 soundtrack is definitely better than Final Fight 3 music. Undeniable fact.
No
Not undeniable. Really just boils down to choice.
emmm.no
I love SOR. But SOR3 has so bad music that I just cant play it.
FF3 has waaaaaay better music imo.
Were you high when you commented? SOR 3 music is complete fucking dog shit that makes zero sense on any scale related to music. The game itself is great. 2 on the other hand,that my friend is a real soundtrack and the best in the series
Great job! :) A few other things I like about SoR3 are the battle mode and the secret passages, plus that you can pull off the new special moves more easily with a 6 button controller.
I didn't think Streets of Rage 3 would win... lol. I am a SEGA fanboy through and through but even I thought Final Fight 3 would win :O
***** YES!!!!! It will take a true champion from there Arcades too do compete! Like Aliens Vs Predator, oh yeah, the port was messed with and wasn't released for any home consoles! Ok, then another amazing Marvel/Capcom game The Punisher! Well.... That 1 was only released on SEGA! 0_o -_- SNES should stick too RPGs!!!!!!!
***** yup that is right and the streets of rage will be all the peoples crown
SOR was just too good. Probably the only other game that I played as much as SOR was Maximum Carnage. Great beatem up game by LJN o.o
You mad?? :D Streets of Rage 3 is a much better game than Final Fight 3 (& Bare Knuckle III is even better than Streets of Rage 3!).
Night Driver I don't think he's mad, I think he's just expecting FF3 to win against SOR3 (mostly because of how big a disappointment SOR3 was compared to Bare Knuckle 3, that and how difficult SOR3 is especially given how much these guys nitpick over high difficulty in games)
Wow, I mean to me SOR3 has awesome music, I listen to some of the tracks while I work out. Really does get you pumped.
Excellent episode. The ending got me off guard.
Oh man... You guys are going to play Bubsy?!
I wish you luck. (You're going to need it)
É você mesmo cara?
Glad to see some love for Streets of Rage 3.
It's a very good game.
YES! I knew it would be out soon! Really love all of your videos, you guys remind me of the old G4 network when it was all about games.
This channel is fantastic.
Do I have whack taste in music? SoR3 is one of my favourite all time soundtracks! (so much so I remade a couple of tracks). Also SoR3 was so much more responsive and fast paced over 2, I couldn't help but play it so much more. I'm probably biased but SoR3 looks better, plays better and sounds better.
***** OMG I was about to say the same thing. I never understood why SOR3 caught so much negative feedback because of the " Music" and " graphics" . Hell when I play SOR3, the music is the last thing on my mind because I'm too busy enjoying the gameplay
The music was ahead of it's time, especially these days where alot of music has that techno / dubstep sound.
I liked the different endings SOR 3 had, were in SOR 2 was only 1 route. You can unlock Shiva, Roo, Ash.
SOR 2 is a great game and I love it, but SOR 3 IMO is the best
I love it lol
A lot of people love SoR3's soundtrack. It got a lot of flack since it deviated so much from the previous games, but honestly that house music style would not have fit as well with the grittier style SoR3 has.
+TheRealGaffer
Doesn't hold a candle to SOR 2. Sorry to burst your bubble.I streamed SOR 3 and I played it on mute and my watcher were complaining how bad the music was. Not everyone likes the soundtrack in SOR 3
Like wise about your stance.
There are still graphical issues with Streets of Rage 3. Final Fight 3 had some of the best graphics I've ever seen on SNES.
You had me at "Final Fight 3 songs rock!"
The most underrated soundtrack in video game history. The track "The Heavy Hitters" alone is beyond compare.
what the hell, guys!? soundtrack from SOR3 - is the best! it's so unique! yeah, it sound much darker and it's all about taste, but you can't just call it bad...
***** not in my case. I ALWAYS liked it. ever since I was a kid and till now, when metal is my main genre of music.
+ToxicTV Have you heard the remixes in Streets of Rage Remake?
+ToxicTV right
***** no, is it good?
oh COME ON, the character selection was kinda shocking to me compared to the last Streets of Rage games... to me it looks like yuzo koshiro was drunk. the quality is far beyond to shinobi and alle the other street of rages...
Would you guys do Story of Thor (Beyond Oasis) vs a SNES Zelda game released around the same time?
I think the reason I was never impressed by Zelda games was because I found Story of Thor first and I always liked it more.
The fact you can get a second character active without a second player was a far more massive edge then they gave it credit for IMO.
Me thinks that a lot of people didn't bother learning the mechanics of SOR3. It's a ridiculously deep game for a beatemup and definitely not "just SOR2". If you want to argue that FF3 is even more convoluted, you can. Just don't pretend that SOR3 didn't change anything.
You guys should have a million subscribers. CZcams *IS* broken. Great video FOOS!
Yeah, good point. I don't care so much about SNES vs. Genesis as I know I prefer the Super Nintendo for the classics, and because I grew up more with the Genesis as a younger teen, so the SNES feels newer and more exciting to me. And truth be told, I was more of an NES kid anyway. The Genesis was more of something else to mess around with from time to time. You know, Sonic, Mortal Kombat, etc.
Anyway, I subbed as these videos work as great overviews of these games too.
The player character's sprite animation was better in Streets of Rage 3 than it was in 2.
Console Wars... Console Wars... Console Wars... It's my day off and for some reason I just felt like watching a new Console Wars video, keep it up guys your going to get very popular! BTW great job on this one, Streets of Rage is one of my all time beat-em-up's, that and River City Ransom on NES.
Great video, those Final Fight vs Streets of Rage videos are my favorites, can't wait for your next video.
I love the music from Streets of Rage 3 it sounds darker like the whole setting of the game, and the colors and voice overs were fault of the bad american version, i think the reason why streets of rage 2 is such a success is because is such a great and accessible game, someone with little to no experience can beat the game on the easier difficulties and get familiar to the series and beat em ups in general, in streets of rage 3 they can't, because SOR 3's easy mode is actually Bare Knuckle's normal mode, Bare Knuckle 3 is a game that it's like Streets of Rage 2 but added a whole lot to it, the gameplay improved with lots of new moves, graphics, characters, presentation, and it's difficulty is fair and accessible to new players, the difficulty of the american version along with a soundtrack that's way different than what the series has offered might be the main reason why many people consider this a worse game, but i still think that the people should play the japanese version. BTW i also love Final Fight 3, it's my favorite of the series and brought lots of changes but the street fighter moves really doesn't work on beat em ups, and the two player mode with a CPU is full of slowdown which really ruins the game and just makes me want to play with 1 player, still great game.
streets of rage 3 is great but i recommend bare knuckle 3 instead, dont have any censorship
violentkim Funny opinion considering they are the same game with marginal differences.
Marcel Weber yes but the changes of sor 3 is stupid
@@Maru96 what were the changes? I have the streets of rage trilogy, I thought it easily outclassed final fight trilogyb
The Japanese bare knuckle 3 is way better than the US streets of rage 3
Clean Sweep for Streets of Rage! I couldn't agree more with all three games winning. I know it might be unfair of me to say that since I've never played through a Final Fight game, but Streets of Rage is easily my favorite beat 'em up franchise. I wish that we would get a Part 4 to it already, but I'm not so sure that will ever happen.
The catch up at the beginning is hilarious.
Your next episode is on Bubsy? I'm willing to wager that everything can go wrong.
Both of you all are shoo ins for the Oscars next year...lol, all jokes aside. Cool Video. Subbed.
Yes! This plot line is incredible! I was not expecting that plot twist!
Actually,SOR 3 has a lot more details like shadows on characters where SOR 2 looks simple. 3 just made the characters more gritty and rough since the story of SOR 3 is..you know...freakin' serious and all.
Also,a song called Happy Paradise in SOR 3 is the best song in the game. ;)
Axel animations overhaul in Bare Knuckle3 shits on 2. In 2 axel is rocking high waters and Sonic's low cuts with no muscle definition.. Axel Run animation is Perfect in 3 and the game is overall faster paced
+SDS Overfiend Pretty much, if SoR3 was shorter and had less "gimmicky" areas (bulldozer, train section, free-roaming section etc) i would say it would be better than SoR2.
Marcel Weber I wholeheartedly agree.. That made the game childish. Too long and the soundtrack made it appear longer.
Glad to see a new video guys :-) you may not be professionals actors or anything, but you sure have your own unique charm and cheesiness ;-) will look forward to your next war....
....which should be Lion King at some point. Not only is it, along with Aladdin, the classic of classics, but the SNES is also definetly gonna win that one. Why? Because of the music track in level 2, it lacks some sound effects from the song, which is simply unforgivable. But still, you did Aladdin, so you are almost obligated to do Lion King too *wink wink, nudge nudge*.
sadly i havent played these games as a kid since i just never played them it was harder to get specific games back then xD but ive played them now and i still like the segas music sound but snes does sound better xD loving the camera shots and cuts. great job with the editing! Happy new years!
LOVE THE ENDING WASN'T EXPECTING THAT!
COOL! YOU SAID "I'M NINTENDO & I'M SEGA"! LIKE THE OLD GOOD TIMES!
ROJOyNARANJA Felt like bringing it back old school.
Great video as usual guys. Personally I always liked the Streets of Rage series a bit more. Keep it up with the awesome videos!
This one was pretty good. I like that little twist at the end.
As always another fun and excellent episode. :) how about a flagship game contest next? Sonic vs Super Mario?
I'm glad to see the finale video as I've had to put my life on hold since the last video due to the sheer anticipation. Fun video as always. I wasn't sure how this one would go since FF3 was an improvement while SoR3 had some unpopular design choices, especially compared to the Japanese original. I got to try FF3 a while back and didn't like it as much as I hoped, mostly for the same reasons you guys mentioned. I also had issues with the special moves. Plus, I don't like Haggar's new design.
As for SoR3, I prefer it in its Japanese form, but I like the game for the most part. The voice samples I think are one of the biggest problems. I like its music, though much of it is weird. It has some good stuff. My favorite additions are the meter for special moves, the ability to run, and the six-button support. SoR3 actually had redrawn sprites, but they were made to look similar to the previous game, but with more detail.
Capcom made some top-quality beat-em-up games for the arcade. It's a real shame that their best stuff, in my opinion, never got proper home ports.
Thanks again for another great video.
King of Dragons on SNES is a nice port, and my favorite beat em up on SNES... but it still has some heavy slowdowns in co-op.
The soundtrack for SOR 3 did have a lot of stinkers but man their was some incredible gems in their as well.
I personally love SOR3 music
Oh no....Oh fucking hell no....Don't tell me.....Your next video....Is......Bubsy?!
Where's Maximum Carnage?!!
new episode, awesome!! thanks guys.
Awesome surprise ending!
For future vids, please do:
-Thunder Force III vs Thunder Spirits
-Ghouls N Ghosts vs. Super Ghouls N Ghosts
-Strider vs. Run Saber
Also, please do MUSHA Aleste vs. Space Megaforce (Super Aleste)
Sugar Rush Games Info Great list!
Finally this episode is here!
You guys miss out on a few things.
Graphics: you talk about how SOR 3 is a copy of SOR2, but as i look at FF3 i see clearly its a copy of SOR 3. Backgrounds are seriously influenced and almost identical at times and this is my impression only from watching this video as i havent played FF3. Also characters are redrawn for streets of rage, its visible, maybe the only character that is the same is skate, so this was false information and dont forget there are 4 players to choose from in SOR3. With streets of rage released one year before Final fight 3 its clear that capcom cant cope with the quallity of sega beat em up and they had to copy from it.
Sound: As the music may be not as melodic as the previous games, it fits very well at times. Its innovative and bold so you must give credit for that.
Gameplay:
There are new special moves in streets of rage 3, you show them in the video. One big point you are missing out is that there is environmental action, Falling barrels and strong wind at stage 3, bulldozer chasing you, the train which comes at the subway stage, rope traps, trap rooms with lazers, electircity and poisonous gas, also this was the stage where you can roam freely at the whole building having to do certain things within a time to advance, not just beat them to the boss. This is huge aspect of the gameplay that make the game one level above the regular beat em ups in general.
Jayjay Okocha Lots of good points. We wanted to talk about some of the new gameplay mechanics you mentioned, but the video was getting long enough as is. Luckily there's people like you to mention stuff we didn't include.
Sorry man I love SOR with all my heart but, SOR3 is a serious crappy game compared to the supreme SOR2 game.
SuperHns
Why?
Sure the game has that heartwarming fun atmosphere and sor 3 is more industrial and dark, difference is not a bad thing.
Sor 2 backgrounds are more inspiring, excluding the pirate and alien levels, which are not fitting at all for the game, however most of backgrounds are too similar to sor 1. I dont like character sprites in sor 3, they look like they are patched on the screen, not actually IN the screen. Musicwise sor 2 is good, but again i consider SOR 1 to have the best music of the franchise. Now lets talk about the most important, gameplay. Sor 2 has the worst gameplay of the 3 games. Basically all you have to do is mash the attack button till the end of the game. In ohter words, its dumbed down and shallow. When i try different tactics on the enemies i always get hit. And different tactics work in the other two games, you can do tactical maneuvering to grab opponents and throw them at the others, or to lure them at better attack angle for you. In addition Sor 3 has much more fast paced action, with run, more special moves and the upgrade system which i find awesome.
Jayjay Okocha
I agree Bare Knuckle 3 is great, but disagree with SoR2 being "shallow".
The only big problem in BK3 IMO was that the sound effects weren't as good as SoR2. When punching on SoR2 it was so satisfying, and of course other problem was the craptastic localization by Sega of America.
By the way, you forgot the return of team attacks removed in SoR2, and also pitfalls.
While it's 100% obvious for me that Streets of Rage 3 is better than Final Fight 3 I, however, don't agree with a lot of your points:
- music: Streets of Rage 3's soundtrack IS awesome and so ahead over most others soundtracks of its time! Final Fight 3 has rather dull music in comparison... And it's also a good thing that SoR 3's music have another style than the two previous games, overall variety is always welcome when well done like this.
- gameplay: WTF mates?! SoR 3 makes some nice improvements over the already amazing second game with more moves, faster pace and more playable characters.
- graphics: though looking way closer to SoR 2's sprites than SoR 2's sprites looked compared to SoR 1's sprites, SoR3's sprites are still clearly different from SoR 2 and Blaze is sexier than ever!
- and finally you have to know that the japanese version, Bare Knuckle III, is even better than Streets of Rage 3! They, weirdly enough, cut a lot of things with SoR 3 but even despite this it's still a better game than Final Fight 3.
So yeah, the Streets of Rage trilogy is that good!
Anyway the video was fun to watch and you were still spot on in some aspects. Just dig a bit more and this will be perfect.
they actually did say that the soundtrack for SOR3 was ahead of its time... but the general opinion, and mine is that it isn't all that great compared to the previous games.
I'm no music expert but what does that even mean, ahead of it's time... how was SOR2's not when it's still remembered. It really doesn't sound memorable or all that good. But I won't say it sounds bad.
I kinda liked it a little the more I heard it now. But my impression of it was bad and I've played the actual game. Still, it just doesn't sound as awesome.
Parallax Craze The problem is SoR 3 sound track time still hasnt come about. I dont like it at all.
Explosive Situation ost of Final Fight 3 is amazing :D
First of all, I have very little trouble using the special moves in Final Fight 3. The super moves are a bit more tricky to pull off if you're playing as Lucia.
Second, I've never been able to use get the debug menu on the cartrige or Virtual Console ports of Final Fight 3. Were you guys playing it on an emulator? That's the only way I have ever been able to get the debug menu.
Streets of Rage 3 is better than 2 in my opinion. The new combat mechanics (run and roll, charged up attacks) add a lot. If the music was better I think it would be universally recognized as the better game
Streets of Rage 2 is better than 1 and 3.
I agree pal deffo
Unquestionably.
+Shawn Bateman Streets of Rage 2 is better than 1 and 3 because Streets of Rage 2 has better gameplay balance. The gameplay balance in 1 and 3 are extremely broken.
Dustin Nunn I agree with that. In terms of a lot of things, like 1 had obviously the lesser graphics, less character selection and bad special moves. 3 was basically 2 with a few more playable characters and some VERY irritating stages. Everything was, as you said, balanced in 2. Just a far superior game.
1 & 3 better than 2 for sure.
Rock'N'Roll racing you should do.
Nice bottle of Fire Ball in the back haha but can you guys do Tazmania for the next console wars? but keep em coming
Proph Nasty Added to the list!
This resume at the beginning may be the most efficient thing I've ever seen.
I just realized, you're gonna compare Bubsy? Poor souls.
What could possibly go wrong?
MrGadgetgreg
Playing it.
MrGadgetgreg haha!
MrGadgetgreg I see what you did there.
Bare Knuckle III is 1000000x better than Streets of Rage 3. They really messed up the localization at Sega of America.
PS: Here's a translation patch for Bare Knuckle III: www.romhacking.net/translations/1375/ - I highly recommend to check it out.
PPS: Why is the recording of your Genesis music so much lower in quality than in your previous episode? Sounds a lot more low frequency than it should. Did you use a different Genesis console than usual?
what did they mess up?
Any Streets Of Rage game>any other beat em up game. Streets Of Rage, even the first one, created such a perfect and satisfying formula for these types of games that could never be touched by anything else even to this day. I'm a huge fan of Double Dragon and all sorts of other brawlers but hot damn, I've beaten all the Streets of Rage games dozens of times and will probably do it a dozen more times. It just keeps you coming back for more.
Turtles in Time > Streets of Rage
I love your show guys! Keep it up!
Thanks! We will!
Streets of Rage 3 needed to have Adam playable instead of Skate. It would have gone a long way in making the game feel fresh. Also the music is a mixed bad some is atrocious and some outstanding which is a step down from the first 2 which had no bad tracks. The sound effects are a step down also and sometime's don't even play. Additionally some of the environments are drab and uninspired especially compared to SOR 2. Like the video said SOR 2 set the bar so high it was damn near impossible to beat. The running and animations are nice and a slight step up. The added weapon specials and attack specials are a minimal improvement. Bare Knuckle 3 is a better balanced version of SOR 3.
Final Fight 3 while being a nice improvement over 2 still has serious flaws. The max 3 enemy limit, chronic slowdown in 2P mode and absolutely no difficulty what so ever even on expert really hurt the experience. Also the music is mediocre minus a couple tracks which were shown in the video. Lastly the art style is a little lame in places and the bosses all share the hit and run strategy to beat them... boring. On the plus side the sprites are huge and graphics are good. The dashing and dashing specific attacks, weapon specific combo's, extra attacks/slams and specials are all sweet though.
You know what you are talking about, max 3 enemies on screen and serious slowdowns was the main reason of Final Fight SNES trilogy being shit.
more like that cyborg old man that totally sucked. Honestly just looking at him on the select screen makes me dislike the game a little, it brings it down. He's way too ridiculous. The robotics plot overall felt like it should be in some other game.
Adam and Skate makes more sense, or bring back Max. The KANGAROO makes more sense that a cyborg!
D. San Well granted SoR did previously have giant Freddy Kruger wannabes, fire breathing fat guys, Blanka clones, and guys on jetpacks. I doubt cyborgs were *that* outlandish in comparison
cool video. keep it up guys
Fun Fact:
Bare Knuckles/Streets of Rage III 3rd Character (Who is only available in the Japanese version) is Ash
The reason, why Ash was cut from the versions outside Japan:
He was (obviously) homosexual
I'm not sure how this episode slipped passed me. But I'm excited af to find it.
Here's another request....Mario Paint Vs Sega Club Wacky Worlds Creativity Studio....I choose these two because they were both not only Art Based Videogames but they also came with a mouse...So not only would this be based on the games but the peripherals made for them as well....Let's face it, we're all going to be wanting to see Mario Vs Sonic on this channel sooner or later, but at least give us the Nintendo Paint Game with a Mouse VS the Sega Paint Game with a Mouse
Xavior TheLycan That sounds interesting. We'll look into it. Hopefully they're not too expensive.
Console Wars Still wanting to see Maximum Carnage though....You did the other decent LJN, might as well do the only other decent LJN game
Xavior TheLycan Was Seperation Anxeity LJN? That game was also really good
FunkMastaMegaFlex That was Acclaim
Xavior TheLycan oh yeah! I actually liked that one better on a lot a of fronts, I think it was Better on Genesis than it was on SNES, though Carnage I thought was better on SNES mostly cuz of the music! Acclaim had some pretty rockin good games, but yeah LJN is seriously a wasteland of awful game titles plagued with bogusness!!!!
streets of rage will always be the king of -BEAT EM UP.!...sorry turtles but street of rage inches you out
TMNT 4 was and is insanely overrated. None of the hits, impacts, or characters feel like they have any weight, making the whole game feel completely unsatisfying and boring.
yep
@@TheOldKing1998 totally agree but there's a couple of tmnt fanboys here tho.. they're pathetic.
Turtles for life. Streets of Rage is great but gets so damn repetitive. And 4 is horrible. Let’s introduce cops with shields that take 15 hits to break and regenerate so that it’s nearly impossible on normal with one player. Nah pass.
thanks guys for doing a trilogy within your series! how about doing a comparison between Nintendo and Sega versions of Sparkster? or if you guys want to do some more sequels, how about Earthworm Jim 2? or maybe complete another trilogy with Mortal Kombat 2 and 3?
ipeeonyourxbox Sparkster is def on the short list.
I remember I was 14 and had a Snes and and Megadrive at the time, and traded in Mario All stars to get Streets of Rage 3, the guy in the game shop looked down at both games on the counter, then looked up at me said 'You nutter!' (UK obviously) lol good times :)
thank you console wars
Cannot disagree more.
The additions in FF3 made the game so much more enjoyable for me. The Super Moves especially were very fun to pull off. And, when working them into the overall flow of the game, the replay value was infinite.
FF3 is by far the better game.
+annnan nah
+Marcel Weber Yah
annnan
Maybe if you like piss-easy game, yeah.
+Marcel Weber Failing to see your point, mate. I played both. Both were awesome, no doubt. I just find the fighting design in FF3 adds so much more to the replay value.
+annnan The replay value was better in SoR 3 with the hidden portions of level 5 and different level 7s. FF3 added super moves and I liked them at first, but 2 levels into the game, they get old. The weapon moves in SoR 3 and the way your fwd fwd B move upgraded as you earned points was more enjoyable than the super moves imo.
Streets of Rage kicked twice the ass of the Final Fight !!
The next battle can be a comedy very funny for example Desert Demolition VS Death Valley Rally, and how many time can wait in my chair to see into the battle Sonic Vs Mario? :)
LMAO at think the music was better. Streets of Rage music was waaaaay better.
I don't know, bro. It sounds kind of like cheesy, hopped up industrial rave or party boy music to me here. Not all that inspiring for a beat 'em up, IMO.
everyone knows Streets of Rage destroys Final Fight!!!!!
oliver closehoff in my opinion Streets of Rage series beats final fight series all day
streets of rage 2 is the best sof.but for me ff3 is better.bigger characters ,alrernatives ways....sof 3 looses this battle
I really love these video's ! And would love to see some sms vs nes video's
games like castlevania and master of darkness or ninja gaiden , double dragon to name a few anyway keep up the good work !
The music comparison is subjective. I enjoy the SoR3 soundtrack, and The Poets I (the City Hall music) is one of the best themes on the console imo. It's definitely an acquired taste though. The soundtrack is commonly credited to Yuzo Koshiro, but Motohiro Kawashima was actually the lead composer, with Yuzo assisting as a sound producer and secondary composer. He made the more experimental tracks like Inga Rasen (Dr Dahm), Shinobi Reverse (Yamato), and Crazy Train (Jet). I don't know if you've heard about SOR4, which is due out in the first half of 2020, but it plays well. I got to try an early build at a local expo.
I am sorry, but Final Fight 3 is only okay at best. The Final Fight 1 actually plays better than it.
Of course Final Fight 1 is better... the arcade though.
Final fight 1 for snes is better than F. Fight 3 for snes? Only played the first.
beefcurtainz69 They are equally okay.
Well, for me FF 3 just smokes the competition, and I actually find the gameplay mechanics quite functional and easy to pull off.
Control Room I agree
Yeah. Nowadays i have the oportunity to HAVE these two consoles and games... SOR 1 and 2 are better than FF 1 and 2 but Final Fight 3 IS BETTER THAN SOR.
And say that "street fighter controls didnt worked". OMG dude.. i just DESTROYED creeps with all characeters.
LUCIA was the most Dificult and Satisfying to MASTER. She throws some "roundhouse kicks" that even hit enemies that are not in the same line/lane than you.
Guy just Pierces enemies with his fire. The RUN+SPECIAL+New movies+New COMBOS are the BEST thiing that happened and made the game much more DINAMIC and i never got tired of it!
Yeah. Easy to pull off. As in fool the people. lol
Control Room I agree I don't like the first final fight for the snes cause it didn't live up to the arcade classic that we fell I. Love with but final fight 2 and 3 without a doubt blows the sor series all three out the box my opinion
I agree 100%. the combos u can pull of are that of street fighter games. u can start with a jump attack, go Into a ground combo and finish with a special.
Fun fact, Streets of Rage 3 actually had special move inputs too. They let you do your star attacks. Don't have any stars? No problem. Have all 3 but you wanna use the 1 or 2 star blitz attack? Have at it.
As soon as I saw the Sound title card, I was like, "oh boy, poor sega."
Then Dan says, "if you want, we can skip sound."
I freaking died. That entire bit was spot on
I honestly think the SoR3 Ost is better than the second one. Its much more electronic in your face
I can't believe you failed to mention the branching paths and secret rooms of Final Fight 3... Final Fight 3 has 2 main paths to beat the game, one easier, one harder but both are a blast to play through! Not to mention you can skip certain bosses if you find some secret rooms, you have even branching paths within stages in Final Fight 3! The end of stage 2 is an example of one... That enhances the gameplay value of FF3 to a level that no SoR or FF game before it can reach!
And no, the graphics of Streets of Rage 2 and 3 are both inferior to those of Final Fight 3, The sprites and backgrounds are far more detailed and colourful in FF3, It also has animated backgrounds, and that sunset you mentioned does change the lighting! But you either failed to mention it or didn't mention it on purpose to try to make SoR3 look better... There's also a sunrise during the final boss battle, if you don't notice it is because you're on the edge of your seat trying to not get your a*s handed to you...
Also, the special moves of FF3 aren't hard to do, you're just doing them wrong, I get them right every single time...
Final Fight 3 is better than Streets of Rage 3 in every single way! It's also far superior to any version of any other Final Fight game too...
Ruko Michiharu Adding branching paths doesn't change the fact that Final Fight 3's combat is slow, unchallenging and boring, just like Final Fight 2. As for the graphics, Streets of Rage has better animations on the characters, and the backgrounds often are more animated interacting with the actual play area, that doesn't happen often in FF3.
Final Fight 3 is still mediocre compared to the original arcade game.
Marcel Weber Final Fight 3's combat isn't that slow, it's near perfect because it has so many more moves than both its predecessors and competitors, the backgrounds are filled with stuff for you to break, the animations may not be as fluid but the sprites are much more detailed, well-crafted and colourful, and Final Fight 3 wipes the floor with any version of FF1 including the arcade...
Final Fight 1 is quite overrated, Mighty Final Fight on NES is more enjoyable than that...
Ruko Michiharu
More moves means nothing if the game has only 3 enemies on-screen, retarded AI and piss-easy difficulty. This is the main reason of why Final Fight 3 is a joke compared to the arcade, or SoR2/3.
Final Fight arcade overrated? lol, sorry but i think you fail to understand the genre at all if you think THE beat 'em up is overrated.
Marcel Weber Final Fight 1 doesn't have much going for it, if you beat the game once you've seen it all, Final Fight 3 has more replay value, WAY better music, better graphics, more characters and it only has 3 enemies on-screen if you play 2 players (and even then sometimes it has 4 but it slows down when it has 4) but it has 4 enemies on-screen many many times if you play single player...
And yeah, the game is easy, so what? If you really want a challenge with it, try 1ccing Final Fight 3 on the harder path without skipping any boss on expert...
Ruko Michiharu
Funny you say that about replayability, because i have beaten countless times Final Fight arcade, probably 100+, while only a couple of times Final Fight 3 due to how boring and unchallenging it is even on "Expert" difficulty. Replayability is based on challenge and mastering the gameplay of a game, not on gimmicky features that don't improve the core gameplay of a game, like branching paths. Maybe that works in a RPG, but not necessarily in a beat 'em up.
I remember only one time seeing 4 enemies on screen in Final Fight 3, and it was an elevator with midget enemies. Graphics? please, Final Fight arcade has a much bigger resolution, bigger and more detailed sprites, more colorful and memorable characters and a lot more going on the screen. Music is matter of taste i guess, but i prefer by far the arcade, the only memorable theme in Final Fight 3 was stage 1.
"1ccing" Final Fight 3 sounds like a chore to me, i prefer to 1cc Final Fight or to play SoR2/3 in harder difficulties, those are actual challenging and replayable games.
This channel is so frickn great.
Good video
SoR 3 as a game is pretty damn good but the games problems stem mostly from oversea redesigns.
Axel has yellow and black clothing this time around simply because the US version just felt like making it so, same for Blaze's Silver clothing.The US version also lacks a specific boss do to censorship, so because of this not only do you lose the ability to fight said boss but you also lose the ability to play as said boss as well. However, the major problem with SoR3 imo lies in its difficulty, the game is just too difficult for its own good. Difficulty is enjoyable when its balanced and spread out correctly, presented slowly in an progressively escalating manor. In the US port they increased the damage & speed of the enemies without taking into consideration how it effects the game play and so you end up with broken enemies who do way too much damage way too fast, couple that with a game that was already designed from the start to have the enemies out number you and what you end up with is a game where you either spam or be spammed which grows tiring and really downplays a lot of the more awesome aspects of the games fighting engine.
Outside of its oversea problems I think the other problem that makes 3 less then 2 is it lacks greatly in the vivid color department unlike its predecessors. 3 has a much more gritty color palette and style to it making the game visually seem more run of the mill with other beat em ups at the time, combine that with a much more gritty sounding soundtrack and you have a game that doesn't quite capture the image and style that the series was known for up until this point.
I still like the game but the US version is severely botched, play the Japanese version, its cheaper and a lot more fun.