Console Wars - Strider vs Run Saber - Sega Genesis vs Super Nintendo
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- In this episode we compare two very similiar games. Strider vs Run Saber. Which game was better? The original or the copy? The game for Sega Genesis or the game for Super Nintendo? Find out in this episode of Console Wars!
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Strider was one of the games that made the genesis the go get system in 1990. Right before Sonic, and the rest is history
Nah. Runsaber was one of the games that made the Snes the go get system in the 1990s. Right after Mario world, the rest is history
@@firestriker3580 I had both systems. And strider was that game that showed you what 16 bits was all about. By the time SNES came out, we already seen true 16 bit hardware.
@@reginaldeberhart8521 pretty sure he was joking
@@REALMARCHINADER "Jokes" are supposed to be funny...?
@@Arjay82 Never said it was a good joke.
"I live in the future. Not. Star. Wars."
hilarious line delivery
Really? The graphics are the best part about strider and so much better.
Tough one... I like both games, but I'd have to go with Strider because it has so many unique and quirky design choices. Capcom took risks with it and it really stood out at the time it was released in arcades.
Run Saber feels more like a generic side-scrolling platformer with Strider influences. While it's more polished, they definitely took the safe route with it.
25+ years after it was released, a lot of people still remember Strider and it's still an influential game. The same can't be said of Run Saber.
Another great video guys!
Just goes to show nostalgia can be powerful. Run Saber is by far superior and more fun to play.
maxpower10k could you be any more smug and obnoxious?
Hell no, go with run saber because it has way more unique and quirky designed choices. Run saber is the better game and the risks it took showed that strider isn’t that great
Runsaber doesn’t feel like a generic side scrolling platformer with strider influences, if that’s the case then strider feels more like a generic side scrolling platformer with Ninja Gaiden influences. Run saber didn’t take the safe route
Sorry but ALOT of people still remember run saber and it’s still a much more influential game than strider. The same cannot be said for strider but the same can be said for run saber and ninja gaiden
Interesting: I hadn't even heard of Run Saber until now.
Bc it was a game that went under the radar.
It's the only game made by Horisoft
Both are great games but I personally like strider
I thought Strider had better graphics
It has bigger sprites that much I see
Definitely! Run Saber has average graphics at best.
I think Striders graphics made much more impact in 89 than Runsaber in 93. That's the main issue in this comparison. Runsaber had 4 years to improve a nice idea, but Strider made much more impact when was released on Genesis.
Strider did an amazing job at copying the arcade but that's likely where it suffered. Trying to match it on the Genesis had the slow down issues they show. That was the only issue I saw.
Strider is older but it's looks a lot better.
I actually thought strider had the better soundtrack, it may not have fit the on screen action perfectly but that's part of what set it apart, it had a very sparse and unique soundtrack wheras run saber seemed to emulate other games of the time.
Run Saber's soundtrack is super forgettable. Strider's soundtrack is more cinematic, diverse and unique. It has electronic, ambient, classical and baroque music. Is actually the magnus opus of Junko Tamiya, a female composer who also did the soundtrack for the NES port of Bionic Commando.
...and also tribal music.
Despite the flaws with the inconsistent sound effects and framerate drop in Strider, I still think it's a better game due to it's interesting and atmospheric sound track and it's unique level design which was very ambitious for 1989.
The designer of Strider, Isuke, was inspired to make the character super acrobatic because he got trapped in the roof of Capcom's building and had to do crazy acrobatic maneuvers to escape, LOL.
You can't RUN in RUN Saber... but in Strider you can...!!! (LOL irony)
Yep!
You can run in Run Saber. I should know, I own a copy.
@@Spider_Rico LOL you can walk fast in Run Saber. In Strider you actually run down a snowy mountain to avoid mines in the second level. I know because I own the game.
In Run Saber, you need to press twice on the D-Pad to actually run.
You guys do a good job of making the videos not just about your reviews, but about your skits as well. I always want to stick around to see the end of the skits.
really always wanted to check out run saber and now definitely will have to. great video fellas!
Thanks man! Def give the game a shot.
Ha, ha, ha, ha That ending was random! and I can't stop laughing.
I wasn't prepared for that.
Glad you liked it!
Sunset riders may be better, but strider is still without a doubt one of the best games on the genesis.
I mean run saber. I'm an idiot.
We know
Strider is a classic; Run Saber is a bizarre boring game forgotten.
“Leonard Geer? Solid”
I never realised this until now XD
I agree actually, on all points... and this is coming from the dude who has a Strider arcade cab haha. Strider rules and I'll always be a fan, but Run Saber improved on it, in almost every way. This was a really good one guys!
Thanks man! Felt bad saying Strider had all these problems but it was the right thing.
As fun as this episode was, Run Saber just doesn't hold a candle to Strider, let alone the arcade version of Strider. Run Saber can't even touch Cannon Dancer Osman, Capcom's Strider 2, or Moon Diver.
😠Yeah, but do you really need to comment on Strider 2?😆
NOTHING CAN TOP *_THAT_* GAME!!
Sega - 22 wins
Nintendo - 21 wins
"WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game" video comment:
The Nostalgia Factor: Most of the time Super Nintendo wins, so I guess you can count your Sega wins...?
Most of the time, yeah LMFAO
This comment... again. oh god.
I take it you included the worst Winner being the best loser and the Drinking game winner for this.
My count (Best/Worst) is 18/1 - Nintendo, 20/2 - Sega and 1/0 - Draw.
JogadordeNES claro, até a nintendo ganhar a maioria das vezes eu vou continuar kk
AkumaTh1 hm, I thought it was:
Sega - 21 wins and 2 worst
Nintendo - 19 wins and 1 worst
oh I counted the tie as both points,I see...
avideogamemaster To Paraphrase Homer Simpson: A Tie means they're both losers.
Fun episode. Nice to see Run Saber succeed in improving on things since it did come later. I was aware of Run Saber, but never played it, so good to see more of it.
I liked the part where Greg kept saying mode 7 over and over without actually explaining anything. I especially liked when he suggested self-cleaning rice cookers. That would be a future I'd like to see.
As a kid the music and sound effects always stood out to me in Strider. To this day its still cool.
Strider was released over a year before the SNES and almost four years before run saber.
At that time, the Genesis was just trying to compete with NES. This was a good episode, just not very fair.
Great video! I like the fact that these games are no ports of the same game, just games which are pretty similar in style. Hope to see more of this!
Glad you liked it! These comparisons are fun.
I think the music fits perfect in Strider. Look at the Siberian stage for example, the first part, when you are fighting the wolves, is perfect for the enviroment of the stage.
Guys this channel is a great mix of nostalgia, comedy, overall goofiness, and i can see yalld personality shine through. Similar feeling i get from watching avgn. thanks for the hours of content guys
Thanks! Glad you enjoy it.
Oh god that outtake at the ending! "Maybe he needs a hug... like this..."
That dog likes to hump.
Huge fan of both games, and yes, Run Saber perfected the Strider formula to beautiful extents. Love it so much.
HAHAHHA...That hug at the end...#DOGSHOTS
He's always doing that. lol.
I loved Run Saber - a mix of many things (Strider being the main) made it a good classic-style platformer. I always kinda wished they'd make a sequel.
Another cool, random thing I figured out by accident on Run Saber was color swap: pause the game and press select and you'll swap through a decent number of different color schemes for the characters. This was especially cool for 2 player mode as a way to add personality to your play.
I hope you guys never change. Keep it up being awesome.
Speaking of Arcade ports, I would like to see a Console Wars episode for the shootem-up Thunder Force 3 for the SEGA Genesis and Thunder Spirits for the SNES. Its the same game with subtile differences.
Absolutely this. We've gotta see the Console Wars team tackle a classic shmup and the Thunder Force games are a great choice.
Plus I dont think they did a ship shmup yet in their series. This would be a good start :)
They haven't done a shmup yet. It's pretty much the only genre they haven't done yet (maybe strategy too?).
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You guys are getting better and better with each video. :D
Its their public access TV charm that does it for me.
Yeah I love it
couldn't have said it better myself
Its you!!!!
Are you kidding me? Strider didn’t win on sound? No they suck
For December only: Home Alone 2.
Which version is the worst?
Strider is the best. My fav game of all time below SF2.
Loved the Simpsons gag, and the ending skit was freakin' hilarious! I laughed my ass off!
Being a huge Strider fan and growing up with the game, I kept thinking, "no way" after Strider lost category after category. I had never played Run Saber before, so I couldn't disagree, but I do admit, Strider does have its problems--the arcade version included. The controls are finicky as hell, it slows down a LOT, the voices are all kinds of weird and "off"--but man, does it have some killer tunes and graphics! I tried Run Saber on an emulator after watching your video and got through most of stage one before the game glitched out on me. It does seem pretty cool, so I'll definitely need to play through it some more, but from what I had played, I'd still say Strider has better graphics and music (I'm a sucker for late '80s Capcom arcade music). I dig the big sprites of Strider and I really like that it has a ton of songs throughout the game. I wish Run Saber wasn't so damned expensive, but I think I'm gonna need to pick up a copy.
Yeah. We didn't have any nostalgic connection to Strider so wasn't as satisfying as it is to most people. We know how important the game is, and we mentioned that several times, but in a showdown it ultimately lost. And too bad Run Saber is so expensive because its really fun.
bullshit the music of Strider fit perfectly. the music starts for the next scene. Awkward transition might be the only thing that was correct but those music changes fit what is needed. Like running down the hill and making the jump. awesome moment that connects with the music.
I'm pretty sure that those usbs are microsd adapters that come with r4 cards (ds cart with microsd card slot used mainly for piracy and homebrew)
You should do TMNT Tournament Fighters.
I would enjoy the episode, but it would be a battle between mediocrity (SNES) and the worst fighting game ever made (Genesis).
Nice Simpson/South Park References haha. I'll always stick by Strider because of MvsC and MvsC2
what about UMVC 3? (sarcasm)
I love the huge sprites in Strider.
great video guys, always find it relaxing to watch you guys before bed
Seems like the Mega Drive cannot handle too many sounds at once right? Seems like Strider was a technical accomplishment.
Oooooooooh, you guys are going to subject yourselves to Bram Stoker's Dracula, aren't you? My heart goes out to you both.
lots of people defending Strider against this video. also, when commenting on Striders slow down and freezing, you should have said something like "so much for Sega's blast processing."
One more thing, what does Simpsons Treehouse of Horror have to do with either of these games? You made a reference to one of them.
What do you mean Strider doesn't play well today, it still plays as well
as it did when it first came out... The game doesn't have poor controls, only many
poor users of those controls.
Or its the controls that are poorly made when the game was converted to the Sega Megadrive. Duh?
Bullshit, Strider is superior, Dan didn't even try to defend it. Characters are bigger and more defined in Strider, they don't have ugly, bold, black lines around every character and there's very fluid animation in the graphics. Also, jumping is very natural and only takes about a minute to get used to, there's no hampering of the controls going on. Normally I wouldn't care who won but the general lack of attention to detail just in this 1 episode is...ugh, Strider wins.
And the in all this is that the license has belonged to SEGA since the takeover of ATLUS, it would be great if he remembered it to be able to use the license or even release it on SWITCH.
Greg: mine's better!
Dan: Mine's better!
[Insert third character here]: Don't you have adult responsibilities?
Greg & Dan, simultaneously: MINE'S BETTER
That's what we do.
Another thing Run Saber has that Strider doesn't is costume change. When you press the START button, hit SELECT to change your character's color.
Run Saber is a great game, but Strider is a classic.
Wing Commander SNES vs. Sega CD! Also ask Johnson if there's still Yuengling in the future and if the monkeys can be specifically trained to get it.
Sega CD games shouldn't count. It boosts the Genesis's specs up way past what it can do on it's own.
Well they just compared a game from 1989 with a game from 1993 so why not?
In my view the Sega CD was still made to compete with the Super Nintendo. If that doesn't count then they'd also have to leave out Super FX games for using a co-processor to boost performance.
It's all just for fun anyway.
You should watch the snes cd prototype teardown on The Ben Heck show channel. Prepare yourself to get disappointed. (to resume, it's just a snes with a cd-rom drive and some memory to handle it and nothing more :( )
Christopher Blair "Well they just compared a game from 1989 with a game from 1993 so why not?" They do that often though. Like with their Castlevania episode. Also, the Super FX Chip doesn't require a special hardware upgrade to run, its literally just an extra chip in the cartridge. Hundreds of Megs of storage and a large piggyback of new system resources are not being added. You might as well complain that Mode 7 shouldn't be allowed, as it's something the Genesis can't do via hardware.
"it's just a snes with a cd-rom drive and some memory to handle it and nothing more"
Translation: It's just a SNES with access to technology that offers hundreds of times the storage capacity of cartridges while also allowing for graphic and audio enhancements, along with extra RAM which gives a boost to all of the system's capabilities.
Which is exactly the same thing that the Sega CD does, by the way.
Great Simpsons reference! Loved the video, guys.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Treehouse of Horror!!
I love hearing them too what an amazing show the simpsons were
First time I completely disagree with the result, Strider is definitely the better game.
Wow I never played Run Saber and I was for sure that Strider would win , great video as usual I will give Run Saber a shot !
Hey what program do you guys use to stitch your videos together? greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work! Please do Desert Strike SNES vs Genesis!!!
I bet you are going to upload the next episode just in time for the halloween.
You should compare Earthworm Jim 2 in the future.
I’m here.
I’m from the future.
just played all the way through run saber. it was freakin sweet. imo it is better than strider, yes
Here are some games you can do I been watching you for years. " spider man and venom maximum carnage, spider man and venom separation anxiety."
We have both versions of Maximum Carnage.
Oh cool where is the video ? I been looking for it.
We didn't make it yet. lol
Oh ok well can't wait to see it when you do.
Me too
Super Bomberman for SNES vs. Mega Bomberman for Genesis
I think you guys did the right thing, about settling a video game argument. Before the saving the future.
It had to be done.
Loved the video as always guys, but I gotta ask, how is it that you've been doing this for almost 5 years and still haven't covered a single shmup? Shmups were a big genre in the 16-bit days and I'd love to get your take on one. Some good shmups to compare are:
-Thunder Force III (Genesis) vs. Thunder Spirits (SNES)
-Sagaia (aka Darius II, Genesis) vs. Darius Twin (SNES)
-MUSHA (Genesis) vs. Space Megaforce (SNES) - both are part of the Aleste series
-Raiden Trad (Genesis) vs. Raiden Trad (SNES)
Nice review! You guys should really upload more often. Your videos keep getting better all the time.
Thanks! We're trying for one more this month.
Aside from the video game comparisons, you guys material is genius. Smarr and funny as shit!
Thank you!
You guys ever thought about the Retrovision video cables. I just got one for the Genesis, and hooked it up to a flat screen CRT with ygb input; the difference in video is astounding.
71 videos already? Brilliant!! you guys keep the quality and ignore the haters. Your content is always worth the wait!!!
Dan+Greg:AH CRAP! It just got sucked into this wormhole.
Johnson:How is that even possible?!
Greg: It just showed up,
Dan: things do that here.
Greg. Oh! there it goes.
LOL
The Dog hump at the end is hillarious.... anyone got a clue about what the next episode is?
Strider was one of the games that got me addicted to the Genesis. Played it with my cousin relentlessly back in the mid-90s and he finally gave me it towards the end of the decade. About 10 years later, I discovered Run Saber and what a treat that was!!! Felt like a spiritual sequel, and had that early SNES charm (muted colors, bassy soundtrack, etc).
Which one is best? I cannot tell you, but BOTH are easily worth owning/downloading. Now to find Cannon Dancer/Osman...
Strider was just so cool, I loved the world in that game, it had a unique art style.
Run Saber has 2 FRIGGIN PLAYERS take that Strider!
YEAH!!! Run Saber it's a great game!
Much more than a rip-off, an nice improvement.
Very good video, guys!
Thanks!
Run Saber is a good game, but is still an obvious rip-off. Strider is more original and unique. That's the reason why there have been many sequels, spin-offs and remakes of Strider over the years, and not a single one of Run Saber....
KronnangDunn that's why there has been many ripoffs of Mario and not Zool
Strider Music when I was young was basic.. until I understand the music was created for the locale and situation..... the missing blade sound is drowned out from the siren intro. Everybody knows the hit confirm effects lol.. but the way.. Strider slide hits and kills basic enemies that don't require multiple hits.
Thats not the Genesis of Strider being displayed. I play the sega and Arcade versions to death, I can tell the difference stage by stage
But Mode 7!!
Never heard of Run Saber, definitely need to check it out after this. Great episode guys!!
Also....loved the Simpsons reference
Thanks guys! And def give the game a try!
The animation in Strider does slow down for an instant, but it doesn't freeze. And is not game breaking.... is in between areas. This occurs because the sprite for the main character is much bigger than the one from Run Saber and has a wider animation area. Hiryu is far more acrobatic than the guys from Run Saber... by far!
It's really surprising that a Mega Drive game slows down and even freezes for a second. It looks like Blast processing didn't save Strider. Kind of ironic since Run Saber plays faster and is on the Super Nintendo
Yeah alot of the time it comes down to poor console optimization. Strider came out really early in the Gen life and they clearly didn't know how to efficiently code for it or they were indifferent to it at the time. Because technically, this game should have no problem for the 68000 cpu. (Just look @ Musha from 1990!)
The Snes, albeit a much slower processor suffered from the same issues in games early in its life...Gradius 3, Lttp, Super R-Type, all with slowdown that would occur, corrected once developers became more proficient with their programming like R-Type 3, Contra 3 and Super Metroid.
It slows down between areas. Is not game breaking.
@@KronnangDunn Strider sucks for the Megadrive, the arcade version is way better
That was a surprise verdict. Good video
Thank you!
Glad with the results. Great job once again, fellas.
I've heard of Strider, but never played it. Run Saber I've never heard of at all, but it looks really fun. I may have to pick both of these up at some point. Also, LMAO @ the way how the "Johnson's" were teleporting in.
19:37 "Hey look! He bought the flash drive. We can still save the future! Ehhhh!!!!!!" - Lol!
How funny would it be if the twist was that it was CZcams Heroes that caused the near destruction of the future, right?
I don't agree with Run Saber winning, but the future thing was very funny 😂😂😂👍
run sabre, better graphics? you guys are smoking crack!
R GG you must be on meth strider always relevant that game was huge when it came out run was not
@@mkett3933 the graphics are clearly way better that's why it has slow down the characters are tiny on that shitty run saber the stages look 8 bit lmao
You should play the original Japanese release of the reprogrammed SEGA release of Strider. You know that horrible piercing sound that it makes when he swings his saber? That actually has a vocal sample on top of it. ''All son's of old gods die'' at the intro is missing too. I'll say one thing though- I believe the SEGA Strider with his harder looking edges is better than the arcade version. E-swat has ''Them's the breaks'' taken out as well when you complete every other mission. Maybe SEGA of America were just stingy like that- but it made Strider sound bad without that sample.
Harder looking edges, maybe, but still greatly reduced animation frames. I also prefer the extra colors on the main sprite over the Genesis version.
With my nostalgia blinders on, this was a no-contest for Strider. Looking at it objectively, I agree with your decision. Great vid.
Strider was released in 1990 though... Run Saber in 1993. There was almost 3 years between the releases and the original Strider was released in 1989, about 1.5 years before the Genesis port. They're similar games, but... not really fair to compare. It's like letting a 10 year old boy beat up a 5 year old boy.
Just because a game came out later doesn't automatically make it better. Final Fight 2 came out after Streets of Rage 2. And I have a feeling one of our future videos is going to have an older game beat its copy.
thenonexistinghero very true. But comparing the NES port of Strider to the Sega version would be just as unfair honestly, which I thought they would at least mention. I'll always love the Sega port of Strider but I can give Run Saber props for improving on Strider's foundation. Now if only it were available on the Virtual Console, because Run Saber on eBay and Amazon asks for a sizable portion of my paycheck..
Run Saber and Strider are really two different games with only superficial similarities. Sure, Run Saber clones many of Strider's movements and elements of its angled level design, but it just doesn't have the same momentum and speed which makes it feel like a more generic side-scroller by comparison. You don't get the same rush at advanced levels of play.
Super Turrican vs Mega Turrican. Or you could do Mega Turrican vs Targa (aka Rendering Ranger R2).
Aryudsoh been asking for this also!
Probably they will need a reproduction catridge for R2.
If they want Targa then they will need a reproduction cartridge or they could go for the Japanese Rendering Ranger R2 if necessary.
Super Turrican & Super Turrican 2 vs Mega Turrican
why is that? the game was released in japan. you just need a multinorm snes. but i have to agree that the cart is too expensive.
and looking at the quality of R2 it's too expensive. The graphics are nice but Manfred Trenz did a pretty boring job at the gameplay.
Strider's the game that made me want to buy a Genesis. That said, the SNES won me over and I ended up selling my Genesis 15 months after I bought it to get a SNES and Street Fighter 2.
(This was back when the idea of having two consoles was a foreign concept to most)
That's ok.... Strider is still currently relevant, when run saber is practically unknown today.
Strider>run saber
Haha the dog at the ending was funny as hell XD
Another great video guys! ya'll deserve 300x the subscribers you have now!
Alright, so there's a photo of Mr. Burns with a stake going through him. However, he's dressed like in the Coppola film, Bram Stoker's Dracula. There are 3 options- 1. Bram Stoker's Dracula (SNES vs GENESIS), 2. The Simpsons- Bart's Nightmare (SNES vs GENESIS), or 3. (Because it's Simpsons-) Krusty's Funhouse vs Krusty's Super Funhouse (GENESIS vs SNES)!
I wonder why there’s no comments about the simpsons reference with the cake 😂
Sega what happened? You had Nintendo beaten. You'll get him next time.
Really nice episode guys.
Another great episode guys, doesn't bother me that they are not very frequent as long as we get one it's great. Keep up the good work. Also would you consider comparing Flashback? Not sure how different each version is but would be interesting to see. (Also maybe Another World too)
Awesome that you'll be covering the game I recommended in your Mickey Mania episode. I be looking forward to it!
Awesome video mates! I once again suggest Q*Bert 3 on the SNES and Mega Q*Bert on the Genesis. :)
Run Saber is more Ninja Gaiden with swords than it is a Strider though so some would argue it's not such a fair choice of a different alike games battle.
I like Strider better
I loved Strider growing up. Never heard of Run Saber but it looks really cool.
always great when a new video is on my subscriptions list :)